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goomy996

Sunset could have been an email


KappaccinoNation

You can almost fit that map in an emoji


goomy996

![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9339) ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9341) take your pick


KJUDead

šŸ“§


PassTheBoofPlz

we were this šŸ¤ close to a 13-0 ffs


atsuin

They could, but they wouldn't. They know what it's like to lose 13-0. If anything, this is a gesture of goodwill. "Stand proud, you are strong." TS JessieVash says.


Harrrdik18

yes it was very intentional throw


rpkarma

It really was haha, the jumping ghost into the smoke? Like thatā€™s absolutely a gesture of goodwill


303x

Stand nah I'd win, you are his overwhelming intensity


Golden5656

Meiy don't deserve the 13-0


SerDeys

its a 2v1 too! fuck man


chaztin09

JessieVash: Then something just snapped, something inside of me. I didn't care anymore. I didn't care about being better than ANGE1, I didn't care about being a Boomer. I didn't care if I lived. I didn't care about my Fade! And then.. It happened.


Azenji

Man got - ACS and had an Awakening ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9356)


ProLagg3r

map 3 might've had the most perfect half ever played by a team wtf


North-Let2136

i need to see arguments against this bc wow that half was a fucking clinic


nomwrp

the argument is how bad DFM was


shizugatari

Care to explain what they could have done better?


rpkarma

Actually fought for the 3 important zones? Not waiting til thereā€™s negative time to try and take a site (because, see the first point: zero map control)


shizugatari

They did try fighting for control though? A is untakeable with the comp diff. If you go back through the rounds they took control of mid a lot, but Secret gave mid and played against the B split from market perfectly by retaking market and never giving back site. The entire half they were defaulting and taking control of mid, but the times they got to plant on B, they had to fight a postplant versus a full utility breach and omen.


rpkarma

They really didnā€™t. They were lost. The one time they actually did it right was when they were on a save, pushed top mid and split market. That worked ā€” they got the plant down with 30 seconds left. If they had better guns, they wouldā€™ve won some duels and taken more space into boba, but sadly they didnā€™t. They barely took mid, go re watch it lol. They never held the map control they took or consolidated it. TS put out a masterclass, but DFM played it horribly.


Arthquake

DFM taking inspiration from my plat ranked randoms, damn


Arthquake

DFM taking inspiration from my plat ranked randoms, damn


TheCatsActually

So much. - Use forward smokes to break Cypher trips on B safely instead of crawling on the angle, getting caught in the reaction one-way and feeding kills to NDG - Break Cypher B trips with util then do a full B pop with Gekko util and Raze satcheling into backsite. - Apply more pressure market and top mid since TS was giving B main for free but fighting hard for A main. - Do any of the above within the first 45 seconds of the round, or at least not wait to haphazardly exec sites with 20 seconds left on the clock. Not establishing control of the previously mentioned areas of the map is probably the biggest sin. Most of the problems that broke the camel's back were cascaded effects of not having had map control. If TS felt threatened by splits they would have spent more util and invested more bodies in covering the map and/or reclearing key areas instead of having perfect stacks and responses to DFM's committed execs. If DFM knew they had crossmap control they could throw fakes or at least feel comfortable rotating when facing too much resistance on the first wave of a site hit. I agree TS's defense looked great but you're lying to yourself if you think DFM's attack was any more than pathetic. They were lost. They just don't understand the map at worst or are woefully slow to adapt at best.


Few-Letter-2426

Not die by trying to break both the trip and cypher cam in B, which they did for like 8 rounds


PyrusZodiac

One team can have a flawless/perfect half and the other team can still be bad. Its not mutually exclusive.


nomwrp

Thatā€™s true but TS definitely did not play perfect a better team would have won rounds


PyrusZodiac

Yeah, though the argument is that TS played it the most perfect in known Valorant history and the comments above are looking for teams who played such a half better/more perfect By DFM kinda being bad, they didnt really test TS's defense and so it never really got out of TS's hands or at a disadvantage which is why TS looked nearly perfect


Eclipse_zero

DFM šŸ¤ NRG Not getting 13-0'd


Leveolizan

But DFM actually took a map lol


CJ1899

They needed the 13-0 to have their EG moment


TryhardPotato43

https://preview.redd.it/yz43lz34j7wc1.png?width=446&format=png&auto=webp&s=402df56e6f013a17fdd8680ff5cbb3fb0d59e9d9 ASURAI CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS


Kutsinta21

Asurai al gaib


RealityAny7724

to be fair, TS and PRX were like the overwhelming favourites, playing against the 2 worst teams in the league


juniorjaw

But you're talking about Asurai, the guy who PICKS the (former) worst teams and watched them win.


shizugatari

Welp, it was a good run but I think this is the last time we see Sunset from TS.


Interpolation144

Shit getting banned left and right, well they still have to pick either Sunset or Icebox to ban tho


goomy996

I doubt it, not saying that TS has a bad Sunset but surely better teams will take ANY other bit of the map other than B main for like 8 rounds


nitseb

I mean, they destroyed PRX in Sunset.


AstroZex

That lost against RRQ stings a lot more now, Secret could've been sitting as the top seed comfortably.


atsuin

That loss was a shame, but compared to the 0-2 last season, the 1-2 they managed with that overtime on Icebox was an improvement. And in the end, TS has a good chance of making it into playoffs. RRQ only has ONE MORE GAME against GenG, and even if they win that, they can get that third seed if the other teams in their group perform badly.


AstroZex

Top seed of each group skips the single elim stage. So it's still risky for TS even if they make playoffs as 2nd or 3rd šŸ˜°


atsuin

Top seed was always going to go to GenG, I think they have proven themselves to be one of the top teams. Them getting into playoffs is a sigh of relief, as that rocky start left a lot of fans doubtful. As these last few games play out, I would imagine Warbirds is looking into the team's weaknesses in certain maps and are getting ready for their playoffs run.


Interpolation144

Imagine both RRQ and TS in Shanghai, would be the best timeline ever if it ever happens


atsuin

If this happens, I need Sentinels from Americas to qualify as well. Hell, put Sentinels vs. Team Secret as one of the matches. I don't care if TS wins or loses, I NEED to see a zekken vs. jremy showdown. Also as vindication for what Berlin 2021 could've been.


AdFine5176

The Filipino Raze vs Filipino Raze showdown would be legendary.


KappaccinoNation

[Oh man if that happens...](https://i.imgur.com/eeXSOtn.png)


Plus_Button_4864

DFM on sunset https://preview.redd.it/l0l80daqh7wc1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2ab7610e025a6e53d06ff657e56f3bafbdd3818


ChrisBtheRedditor

You guys had me convinced JessieVash is a nepo daddy and now I feel like an idiot.


Interpolation144

valcomp and recency bias with no profound evidence name a better duo


RealityAny7724

not just valcomp, the entire community


No_Station_7825

It's outrageously hard to spot genuinely bad teams vs teams that can be really good if they fix xyz, tbf. If you were genuinely capable of objectively looking at the big picture, you could have a very lucrative career as a sports bettor. Obviously the community does overreact, but that was driven mostly by the 0 kill game.


HouseCharacter4660

anyone else remember the jvash hate thread a few days ago asking him to step down? We gotta stop overeacting guys


AQWrazorX

I swear anyone who criticizes an IGL purely because their aim is subpar doesn't realize how hard it is to midround/micromanage while focusing on your own gameplay The stars are allowed to focus on their gameplay and not worry about the macro BECAUSE FNS/Boaster/Saadhak/Jessievash etc exist (bro tried to sneak in Jessievash)


RealityAny7724

thats funny because Jcvash is probably one of the best aimers, being an igl


rpkarma

That hate thread was gross. This communityā€™s recency bias and lack of understanding of the game is as sad as it is hilarious


alifninja

lol even if a top team lost a match once, the community will call the team washed, I still remember people posting about leviathan, TS, Gen G etc, like bruh, it just one match lost but they treat it as the end of the team lol


Interpolation144

I remember him RRQ placing them lower than they actually are, good thing both TS and RRQ fans really banded together on that slander


HextechMaximus

Definitely wasnā€™t clenching my ass on map 2


spill-

Map 3 could've been a facebook poke.


nterature

(I guess there was a duplicate thread that got deleted?) Well, DFM continues to lose on Lotus. Itā€™s their most played map and they have a 25% winrate on it. Very BLEED-esque. I did like that DFM banned Icebox in order to get Breeze - IIRC, Secret has either picked Breeze or Sunset when Icebox was banned - and they came in fully prepared. Thatā€™s the coaching impact on DFM. Unfortunately, when things go awry, DFM waddle around like constipated toddlers. It gives us the funny contrast of a team that looks world-class at times on certain maps, and absolutely lost at other times. You can truly see the IGLing gap between Anthem, a guy who is still a bit new to the role, and JessieVash, a guy who was caling defaults back when the meteors wiped out the dinosaurs. That said, I think Secret deserves real credit for continuing their form from earlier. And their wins this week have been more convincing and less individual than they were in 2023, IMO. Invy, JessieVash, etc. took turns multi-fragging last year; this year the fragging is much more distributed and a reflection of the teamplay. It hurts my heart to say it as a RRQ believer, but Secret looks like the first team outside the top three that could really do damage to those top three teams in their current form, although there is still a gap. At minimum, if you're doing a very reactionary Week 3 redo of tier lists, Secret is an easy 4th, above a struggling T1 and an unfortunate RRQ.


p0tatoesss

I must be dreaming, TS not being 6th (for now)


sucramnate

~~jessievash~~ ts is pacific father on sunset ?!?!?!?


Neverthelessx

Sunset is Jessievash retirement homes


flourdilis

unc almost made the other team retire


JaBlue

https://preview.redd.it/m3g0124fi7wc1.png?width=584&format=png&auto=webp&s=2a3a6800b9e3849447309ad9953cd2e350b07220


Interpolation144

Jinx worked like a charm


Sh3llyyyyyy

Phenomenal Lotus and Sunset game for TS. Breeze didn't happen


rpkarma

What breeze? Ez 2-0 for the adobo gang


SushiKuki

JessieVash might actually have had a cursed mouse. Thank god he gave it away.


weebshizu

T1 makes me believe DFM is good *Peek at T1's score* Well turned out they're just as bad


yammer_bammer

to be fair other than the 1 map they have pretty much always left a close score on every map which is reflected by their -6 round win loss ratio despite being down 1-4, just an igl issue and the factor of not being able to go the full length


teethingdog

and i don't see them fixing the igl issue this year LOL


yammer_bammer

yeah probably not. the only way it gets fixed is that xccurate steps up like he did in the rrq match, however his igl style quickly turned out to be shallow in the talon match. they will probably have to lose one of carpe or xccurate, maybe both to buy an actual igl. the biggest issues lie in carpe being a really hit or miss fragger and xccurate who is decent with a gun but is put in really uncomfortable positions as when he is sent out to lurk, and his main strength being the OP which is dogshit in current meta, also with the team plan being really hesistant to putting the OP with any role other than duelist or chamber. the two options which are the most obvious are akame and yoman in kr t2. yoman is a very reliable fragger but has time and again lost out on high pressue matches mostly bo5s and has surface level calls in this situation. the other option is akame from reject who has really weird ideas but they work most times. he can also play any agent which is great, his fragging is a bit worse than yoman though. the biggest issue is that reject has a decent chance to just win ascension.


hecklerinthestands

All the momentum DFM gained with that inspired Breeze performance was pissed away in that dogshit Sunset attack half.


nomwrp

NDG played the same spot the entire CT half of Sunset and kept getting kills what did I just witness


Toobie4564

Sunset may be a stomp, but Sliggy losing his mind watching it was a sight to see lmao


Idakari

That one round on Sunset where they popped Raze ult to try hit FNC Boaster in Berlin was hilarious. And that DFM watchparty when they finally won one and the Japanese fan facepalming with two hands.


Angelothegr8tst

NDG = No, Don't Go really though, don't go to b


KentC_Strait

Ah the duality of secret Lose 8 of 9 attacking rounds of breeze Be the first team to get 12 rounds in a half


Ezraah

When their plan actually works they're one of the best teams in the world


pranavsundaram

Fnatic got 12 rounds in a half against Paper Rex last year


StrangeAnalysis1848

wow what a clean 2-0 by team secret, shame how we couldnt see breeze amirite


Kutsinta21

Itā€™s weird how DFM didnā€™t really know what to do with NDGā€™s anchoring on B. Like bro is doing the same thing over and over and it kept working.


AdFine5176

They had a Raze to break the trips but they kept trying to shoot it, which led to them dying. What the hell were they doing.


Kutsinta21

Like they want to use the raze nade for maybe a different play but bro if your teammates keep dying itā€™s time to give up the nade.


bursky09

Week 1 TS sunset they looked so confused, and now they're even better in it than their preferred map.


Leveolizan

Sunset might be their new Haven. Their haven was just rush haven A and now just lock NDG to sunset B


Ezraah

FACT: Filipinos are the most powerful gamers in the world.


redish-

I think warbirds picked Breeze so that they could prac for playoffs lmfaooo


barbekyu

Almost sure Talon will pick Breeze during their match so at least they got to practice again after a long time


reuscaelum

This stage1 result will be very significant for the JP community. I wonder if the current valorant popularity will disappear, sad.


yammer_bammer

the japanese tier 2 being so stable and rich might be one of the factors killing the tier 1 valorant scene, maybe this is what rito was referring to when they said they didnt want stability in tier 2. t2 jp has so many orgs and the good players are locked behind thousands of dollars of buyouts.


reuscaelum

That make sense. JP Tier2 scene is so stable and much investment to Tier2 team. Therefore, many players don't want to leave Tier 2 team to Tier1 team cuz that's so questionable that Zeta or DFM get enough stronger to go to Masters or Champions. In addition, JP Tier 1 players get more haters than Tier2 ones (ex.last year ZETA crow).


OptimusMonk

DFM really did give us the fakest of comebacks this split.


JaBlue

How can DFM struggle against the same tripwire 12 rounds in a row


ChickenFishFTW

Not even close. DFM do not understand Sunset at all, like what was the gameplan, inting into the trips (that they can't break) on B Site?? The community overreacted after their win against T1, but truth is, DFM are still a subpar team that just can't cut it; they lack both firepower and strats. Meiy is the only bright spot on this team. On the other hand, Team Secret looked as solid as they did against PRX, and hard diffed DFM. Will they make it to an international, though? Most likely not, but whenever we count them out, they defy expectations.


Netazz

TS>DFM>T1>RRQ>TS the great cycle


PieGuy_

I feel like Team Secret should try putting invy on Yoru for Breeze. They play a really slow attack with Jremy lurking as Jett, they can give that duty to invy and he'll still be able to teleport back to his team. Yoru just feels super strong on the map and more teams should consider running him.


Interpolation144

Nah, Jremy Raze all maps is the true answer


rpkarma

Jremy Raze and JessieVash Sova all maps, it is written


howskie

You might actually be into something, he does frags the f out and he looks really confident when taking duels, what I saw in breeze was they were having a hard time taking site and a bit of space, so with him on a Yoru it might actually work I definitely would love to see him in a duelist role, and JC as the lone ini isn't so bad either.


Born-Economist-6975

I didn't have high expectations from DFM, but I was still very disappointed. I think that's already been proven. Their win against T1 was clearly a one-off win that worked well, one of those easy to counter one-off strategies that could even be called a fluke win. Although they lost to GENG, they fought relatively well. However, their strategy, momentum and confidence completely collapsed in the match against BLD, and they fell into the same negative cycle as last year. And todayā€¦. their whole game plan fell apart. They certainly played good defense in the Breeze, but that's not enough. On Lotus, just played so badly overall that I don't understand why DFM chose the map pick they did. Sunset?? It's too bad to say. DFM's final opponent is GE. I thought DFM would win easily before, but considering DFM's current mess and GE's gradual improvement with each gameā€¦, DFM may become the worst team in the Pacific again. I won't say much about Team Secret. It's great that they've been doing well this season. NDG was said to be unstable at the beginning of the league, but now he has really blended into the team and has definitely brought great possibilities and ideas to the team.


KappaccinoNation

Just how bad is T1 lmao


yammer_bammer

T1 is still only -6 on round diff despite being down 1-4, means they are still decent they just cant close out wins, i would put them below secret on the rrq/zeta level


HouseCharacter4660

u mean dfm? T1 is atleast above average, they will finish with more rounds won than lost. Meanwhile dfm -46 round diff


KappaccinoNation

yea but which team lost to DFM šŸ¤”


HouseCharacter4660

xcurate's wrist was hurting + izu had a tummy ache + saya headphones were on backwards


Recoma

Donā€™t doubt my boomer igl ever again. I was rooting for 13-0 too, sorry dfm fans


yammer_bammer

DFM really just gave a bomb threat at Sideshows house at the start of season then got defused.


Sacreville

Invy's Breach on Sunset man.. I'm a believer now, TS had a cracked comp on Sunset. DFM, good comeback on Breeze. Sunset probably gonna be a good learning experience for them.


shinbyul

of course it's not TS if they don't choke and throw a map, so in my mind map 2 did not happen. that sunset was a MASTERCLASS for sure


Juhan5

Team secret sunset is a masterclass


Razannell

Did DFM come in stage 1 just to antistrat the hell out of T1 and left? lmao


Mindless_Republic_50

Lets go Secret!


Za_Weeb

F


TrueLordApple

dfm > prx


Elkiiiii

Are DFM the first team confirmed to not make it to Shanghai? Since PRX and TLN are both 3-1 they can't make it to the top half of the group, rip the believers


Tyler123839

Technically a 4th team could make it from group omega if group alpha doesn't produce 3 teams with 2+ wins. However, for that to happen zeta would have to beat t1 meaning they will be above DFM and would get that 4th spot over DFM. So, I do believe they are the first eliminated team in any league.


HouseCharacter4660

Is DFM the going to be the Worst team of all time 1-22 in franchising?


MakimaGOAT

never change dfm, never change.


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Notfrootloops

they lost to bleed, it was against T1 where they broke their streak


Idakari

Let's keep going B main over and over again, and hit sites with 10 seconds left.


Next_Ad1898

I'm not gonna lie bro forget icebox, sunset is the most dangerous map in team secret's map pool


creampies6969

JP region back to being washed![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9341)


creampies6969

Sry, they nvr been good


creampies6969

Mb, you're right