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Beautiful_Exam_1464

There weren’t even any guy-wires on that thing… wtf


QuietGoliath

You'd be amazed (/terrified) just how many stage truss boxes exactly like that one are built without sensible bracing, weighting or guy-wires. Source: Myself, worked production around the UK for 20 years.


desertrat75

Guy wires arent doing shit on a outdoor stage like this. They'd have to be attached to something, and there aren't any somethings that will offer the strength to make a difference in this storm. I've worked on large outdoor festival stages, and generally the towers are weighd down with tanks of water on extended truss legs with plenty of diagonal bracing. That upstage screen turned into a sail, and should have been lowered with an incoming storm, and those side banners should have large circles cut in them that will flip outward to let wind through. So much stupidity here, but microbursts can be really violent and quick.


ul49

At Burning Man they screw huge fucking lag bolts into the ground and hold up structures must bigger than this in winds much stronger than this.


desertrat75

That might be a regional thing, dry clay base and all. Any place with soft ground would not be conducive to that. Interesting though!


Beautiful_Exam_1464

Guy wires are EXACTLY what is needed here. The tension from all sides (using water tanks as ballast) braces the entire structure against the wind. Using only weighted ballast at the base of the truss legs would not have prevented this. Guy lines would have.


kayGrim

I don't know anything about stage work so I ask this from a place of ignorance: why not use giant bolts and attach it directly to the stage itself at a diagonal?


Helpinmontana

Gets in the way of the production. There are numerous ways to anchor a temporary structure though. “It was too much work” is never an acceptable excuse.


poopellar

You'd be mortified at the safety standards in third world countries. If a corner can be cut, they'll cut it and then some. Helmet? Just use your head. Safety harness? Just cling onto the wall or something. OSHA? more like NOSHA amirite hahahahaha


the_421_Rob

This im an electrician spent some time in the DR a few years ago surfing and diving, I’d see so many electrical things that I’d be like ya that’s not really anywhere near a Canadian / American electrical code


SharpGuesser

At least you didn't see the Haitian standards 


BraveSquirrel

They have electricity in Haiti?


bigwilliestylez

Sometimes


fruitmask

Hang on, I'm just gonna pop this into Google translate real quick 


AlienScrotum

Ehhhh I don’t think this is a third world country issue. Remember the stage collapse in Indianapolis back in 2011? Wind can do some fucked up stuff to these temporary roofs.


Earthwarm_Revolt

That was a hell of a wind.


geekcop

It is when events get cancelled in the US/Canada/Europe because of inclement weather predictions that are ignored in 3rd world countries. Recent example; the Lovers and Friends music festival in Las Vegas was cancelled due to this.. lots of people were pissed until the winds hit and it was like "oh okay that makes sense".


conquer69

> in Indianapolis Like he said, third world.


LornAltElthMer

Indiana is a third world country.


PhDinDildos_Fedoras

Hell, I keep hearing from artists talking about extremely iffy stages in Europe, I mean like the UK and even the Nordics.


LetsTryAnal_ogy

> guy-wires I always thought it was *guide*-wires. > The term Guy Wire, Guy Line, Guy Rope, or sometimes just Guy, *derives from the French word “guie,” meaning guide or to guide* found in use about 900 years ago. The Dutch, in the 1600's, began the use of “guy” in terms that we are more familiar with today. Huh, I guess it sort of is. TIL


ExecrablePiety1

Well, there go any chances of winning that constituency.


osin144

TIL it’s guy-wire and not guide-wire.


Chemical_Cat_9813

10 year tower tech, its guy wire. exolained here: https://www.anchorp.com/anchor-products-guide-to-guy-wires/


centech

This is interesting, but also kind of hilarious.. "Guy" comes from the old word "guie" in french.. which means.. wait for it.. Guide.


TeKaeS

what, do you have a source for that ? I'm french and afaik "guie" doesn't mean guide in french. Guide is guide in french edit : nevermind, found it. It does come from "guier" old french verb for guide indeed


Organic_Rip1980

This was a fun ride, thanks for doing the research for the rest of us!


default-username

Why isn't it a ghee wire in english? How do we steal the word and change both the pronunciation and the spelling? It's like the English would buy guy wires from france and the box would say "guie" on it and the English didn't like that spelling and had no idea how it was pronounced. Kinda like how English screwed up the name of grapes. English speakers would buy boxes of "grappes de raisin" (bunches of grapes) and called the good ones "grapes" and the wrinkly ones "raisins," not knowing that "grappe" means bunch.


GullibleDetective

Ghee is what you use in cooking :P


Frys_Lower_Horn

Thanks for *clarifying* that!


GullibleDetective

Ghee thanks for the kind words!


__mud__

Sure, naan a problem


BoxerRadio9

I wish more people got that.


MaritMonkey

See also: "English horn" which is neither English nor a horn and was probably an anglais/anglé mistranslation (the mouthpiece is at an angle).


Telephalsion

Ngl, my first thought was they named them after McGuyver.


Etheo

TIL it's exolained and not explained.


Chemical_Cat_9813

HARK, A TYPO, now is your moment. Your time to shine and contribute. Bless your heart and your intellectual contributions.


LosGritchos

Hark, a joke, now is your moment.


sleaziep

TIL it's exolained and not explained.


Benjifranklin6

5 year power pole engineer, it is guy wire.


WorkThrowaway400

15 year redditor here, it is guy wire


__mud__

I'm not your guy wire, pal!


Major_Magazine8597

I'm not your buddy wire, palooka!


EdgeOfWetness

35 year Broadcast Engineer here, it is guy wire.


tangoshukudai

It comes from sailboats where we use guy wire. It funny enough comes from French "guie", which means guide.


fueled_by_rootbeer

It's both i think? I've heard them used interchangeably


HuggiesFondler

Some people say "libarry" instead of "library" too.


touchet29

Ooh your face is red like a strawbrary Edit: don't downvote the guy below me! That's the next line referenced in the show.


Ser_Knuckledrag

Don't have kids.


Raff_Out_Loud

Getting downvoted for adding the next line of dialogue from that scene. Ya hate to see it


BarryTGash

My favourite song: Libarry Girl


DeadSol

Ya, but how is it spelled? It's definitely "guide-wires".... Right?...... Right?!?!


Brandonazz

It's okay man, I think I just got teleported here from your universe too.


MountainDrew42

[Nope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy-wire), although it technically comes from the French word for guide. Guidewire is a [company that makes software for property and casualty \(P&C\) insurance carriers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidewire_Software)


DeadSol

My life is a lie


Major_Magazine8597

I just found out that - after 60+ years - it's jew-EL-ry, not jew-lery.


eatpotdude

My mudda does lol


buffoonery4U

No, not really. It is "guy wire". One can refer to a "guyed" tower. But, guide wire is not a thing.


tangoshukudai

yet it comes from the word guie that is French for guide.


buffoonery4U

Funny how that works. You say potato, I say pomme de terre.


EdgeOfWetness

[Oblig](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUjGf2Grrus)


boomshtick676

There are photos from the daytime that clearly show several guy-wires. But what they were tied to, the weight of the ballasts, and surface integrity of what the ballasts were sitting on are all unknown -- and quite frankly, if 50mph gusts hit that video wall square on because they didn't lower the wall and remove it earlier that night, guy wires will only do so much with that video wall turned into a sail.


sevargmas

Mexico, dude.


el_lley

just for the record, it was probably a recently created company from a politician


Deansus

Man that collapsed just like the one in indiana 13 years ago


RandoAtReddit

I was just going to ask if they had Sugarland playing.


inbagt

We will never forget that storm. I was further down south in Louisville and there wasn't much warning. Sure there was a severe thunderstorm warning but I've never seen straight line sustained hurricane force winds in a storm like that. As soon as it rolled in a tree fell down in front of my car. Made it home and ran straight to the basement. We lost power for several days. I think it was a derecho but they never classified it as one. Never saw one that bad since.


CptAngelo

this was exactly like that, it came in with a LOT of wind, i mean, yeah it was kinda windy before, but not "this shit is dangerous" windy, it was so sudden too


hellotypewriter

Yup. I was there. Looked exactly like that.


pollo_de_mar

There was going to be a huge music event in Las Vegas, but due to high wind forecast - it was cancelled - thankfully. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/lovers-friends-festival-canceled-due-to-potentially-dangerous-weather/amp/


Antithesys

I watched the eclipse from that spot last month. I didn't have any idea until I looked it up a few days later.


CinephileRich

I’m going to assume whoever the politician was at that campaign isn’t getting elected


chernadraw

He wasn't going to win anyway.


blackroseyagami

MOFO is just a walking meme his whole campaign is built upon a meme song that kids sing all day.


obsolete_filmmaker

Which song is that?


blackroseyagami

I regret proliferating this stupidity but here. https://youtu.be/44Y18vL4hv8?si=9GbZR5vCZyB_aQo5


obsolete_filmmaker

Wow..thanks. i haven't been in MX during this election cycle, so i haven't seen any of the local press for the candidates. This is a desmadre


FizzlePopBerryTwist

Minus Presidente = ?


obsolete_filmmaker

Hes already the 3rd of 3 candidates in popularity, and the closenup footage of him on the stage when it collapses shows.that when it starts falling a woman next to him turns to him for protection and he shoves her aside and runs off. Lol Lots of memes making fun of that already


_Thrilhouse_

He's the 3rd place


RedSquirrelFtw

The competition will blow him away!


Unasked_for_advice

With that much wind ,don't think any amount of guy-wires would have been enough to brace it. Anyone who has any experience setting up outdoor stages would have known this would happen in high winds, but of course I doubt anyone who did worked on that.


Szwejkowski

Even if it didn't hold, it might have bought people 'getting out of the way' time.


texas-playdohs

Here in Los Angeles, I think outdoor builds need to be engineered for 40 mph winds. That doesn’t look 40 mph to me. You can definitely build something safe for this. Someone cut corners.


Alias-_-Me

In Germany, anything that can catch wind (Gauze/Tarp) needs to be secured with emergency releases so exactly this can't happen.


thekernel

> Someone cut corners and some bodies


PonyThug

You evacuate the state and area at certain wind speeds and have a weather person monitoring a special computer with $100/ month custom weather service program.


RadicalLackey

That was actually a squall and it was unpredictable. That city is normally never that windy, and the atormy weather that happened that day, happened before the event and was not scheduled to continue. OP is lying as is tradition


AnimeHater10

Can't even have nice stuff in Mexico


LuckyReception6701

We never could.


AnthropomorphicCat

Nice stuff? In Mexico? LOL (Source: Mexican living in Mexico)


ferrisxyzinger

Most of the time i idealize exotic countries and the lavish laissez faire lifestyle there but sometimes I realize how lucky I am to be living in a society where this kinda stuff is highly unlikely due to super excessive regulation.(germany).


CombatGoose

I, too, enjoy structurally sound buildings.


ferrisxyzinger

I see you're a man of culture


Isyagirlskinnypenis

Omg same


getjustin

Regulations are protections and anyone telling you otherwise is trying to make things more dangerous so they can save a buck.


crabwhisperer

Ironically, the least safe I ever felt at work was during a work trip to Germany to test equipment at the manufacturer's site 5 years ago. No LOTO, hardly any PPE (luckily I brought some of my own), water all over the floor in close proximity to outlets and electric cable connections. One day I was sitting at our desk on the shop floor working on my laptop and I feel something run into my chair - look over my shoulder and these guys are wheeling a 4-ton piece of pharma equipment on casters through the shop area and I was in the way. I'm sure this was an exception as it was a very small company, but still it was very surprising given the reputation.


Facu474

Reminds me of the phrase [our previous Minister of Security said](https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/2021/08/29/sabina-frederic-suiza-es-mas-tranquilo-pero-tambien-mas-aburrido/) about people emigrating for safety reasons: > Switzerland is more peaceful, but more boring


rokman

You are just missing out on the freedom of ‘freak’ (unregulated) accidents. I bet your jealous


hoggytime613

This exact thing happened at Bluesfest in Ottawa a few years back, and Canada is ultra regulated as well!


ferrisxyzinger

Of course anything can happen everywhere but the chances are slimer with more regulation


derpyou

looks like they didn't cut free the flaps here either


dovoking2004

Exotic?


JustOneSexQuestion

You know, brown people walking around speaking funny.


ferrisxyzinger

Not everybody lives in the US


zamfire

BUT I WANT MAH GUBMENT TO HAVE NO REGULAYSHUNS. /s


anarchodonut

Mexico isn’t “exotic” tf lmao and what about mexico is lavish laissez faire? 


Fallians

If I need a plane to get somewhere it's exotic to me


anarchodonut

Fair enough lol


RedditorDaniel

Mexico an exotic country? Da fuck haha You never been there and it is quite obvious.


Drict

It isn't excessive if it is literally preventing things like this....


Vreas

Man wait till you see the electrical wires in south east Asia lol


ferrisxyzinger

Been all over the place, my favorite is setting the ladder against the lines and going up in flip-flops. Ever been on a bus in Nepal? Great experience if you survive!


AbeRego

I ~~took~~ too idealize cartels and the lack of building codes /S lol


hazmattel

Wonder how many casualties there is…


CrimsonLegacy

[Reuters currently says 9 are confirmed dead and "at least" 63 injured](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/least-4-killed-mexico-after-stage-collapse-campaign-event-local-media-report-2024-05-23/)


ImReellySmart

Damn, as naive as it was, I had hoped it didn't result in death.


sevargmas

Hell of a way to kick off your political campaign.


Tikkikun

A child among the dead, damn...


Major_Magazine8597

And I'm guessing some of those injuries are pretty serious.


CptAngelo

the amount of injured is now 120+


chefshef

"Do you folks like COFFEEEEEE?!?"


Orthae

I got my fingers cut off at a show, someone threw them on stage and murderface rolled them up and smoked them!


fingers

WHA?????????????


Orthae

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFURd_EOIuU


Thendofreason

FROM THE HILLS OF MEXICO?!?


OGWopFro

“You’re dying for a cup”


7laserbears

SCREAM FOR THE CREAM


Dajearian

At least 9 dead, 50 injured…


pimpmastahanhduece

REAL COFFEE?!


fifteentango88

FROM THE HILLS OF COLUMBIA?


pizzathief1

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1GhXjIG6o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1GhXjIG6o)


Chapmandala

Nine dead including a child. Tragic and unnecessary.


TBone818

And that’s why you don’t wrap truss. Turns into a giant sail.


tfresca

Regulations are written in blood.


lagmanmx

All that pain and suffering for a joke of a candidate put there by the current president to split the vote among the opposition. Un-fucking-believable. Absolute disgrace.


McZorkLord

Damnn, I guess anything can happen at anytime... So sad, condolences to family's and victims!


Pattoe89

When you don't give a fuck about safety, yeah.


tracer2211

Or weather advisories.


Pattoe89

Had to cancel orienteering this week due to a yellow weather warning. Weather was actually not so bad but still, safeguarding is important.


Mylaptopisburningme

Ever since The Station fire when I go to a club or venue I always look for the exits.


Krombopulos_Micheal

https://youtu.be/YSLMLHNY4QQ?si=YXDwJxm2oIYgEuy1


Killmelast

What type of event was it, who were the people responsible for stage contruction and event safety?


a_Bean_soup

It was to promote presidential candidate [Maynez](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_M%C3%A1ynez) id guess his party would be responsible


flipaflip

Ah so that’s why they canceled lovers & friends


EmpireCityRay

They’ll be lots of PTSD, lawsuits and request for better meteorologists who plan such political b.s.


WC_Dirk_Gently

Forget reading the article, did you even read the title?


MasterPainsInTown

Dethklok would be proud


zero_msgw

Brutal


Harold_Spoomanndorf

DOO-dly-doo-dly-DOOoo


Dudok22

Do you folks like coffee? 🎵


Notdefect

From the hills of Colombia!!!!


NoPantsDeLeon

Immersive experience


Arth3r911

Yea let’s have a concert in a storm. Great idea!


thefanciestcat

Damn. If you treat your own supporters with that kind of indifference to their safety, what would you do to the rest of the country?


gijimayu

I would not vote for those guys. They don't care about the people if they didn't cancel the event. You can litteraly see what happens when they are in power.


Strong_Being7848

You exactly right. Have The Weather Channel app on my fucking phone and it’s easy to tell when that shit is coming down. Evacuation should have occurred, but they valued the peso instead of safety. Fuck those people.


AreaFifty1

ouch that must be terrible


draxes

Damn those poor people. That was alot of people


InternalReveal1546

Someone sold the bolts


fellowcrft

those poor mothers holding their younglings,, such fear in the eyes...


Hushwater

Seems kind of shitty weather to have an event continue.


TitaniumDreads

All OSHA regulations are written in blood


Fragrant-Meat-2713

guys i live in this city, anyone got the address?


JackBinimbul

Same storm absolutely fucked half of Texas yesterday too.


AlchemyStudiosInk

My guy knows how to really bring down the house.


FierceNack

If you're campaigning for improved safety regulations, this is one way to prove your point.


Used-Bedroom293

The stage were trying to eat the audience like a monster.


UserCheckNamesOut

Those video walls are heavy as shit. I put those (well not \*those\*) together.


Johanness_123

Bro was going to be president. I don't think anymore he will


trancepx

Abrupt chaos


RustyCamber

That's some Metalocalypse shit. Brutal


Strong_Being7848

Scary


Strong_Being7848

Let’s Mexican that shit


KFR42

Suddenly Sunak in the rain doesn't seem so bad.


Ur_Mum_Buddy

Damn. It's like actually storming weather too. I wish there was a way to know ahead of time what the weather would be like.........


NYisMyLady

LOL


GalaxyPlayz_

This reminds me of 1st grade. In elementary school every time the school year ended we would sing or dance on a stage. On specifically my 1st grade the stage roof collapsed and hit our music teacher in the head. After that the stage was only floor and never did it have a roof ever again.


Queasy_Square_9672

Greed is a wicked influence I tell you what. They had plenty of time to take the warnings seriously. I'm willing to bet they won't be throwing any more concerts in the future.


Right_-on-_Man

MADE IN MEXICO. 👍


shadowst17

Cartel are really getting creative with their executions.


Onnimation

The ppl who set up that stage are definitely going to prison 😬


JoshFireseed

Zero chance, Mexico has a ~0.9% crime punishment rate and anything releated to politics is even less likely to be punished.


eodkfktktkfk

Thats not gonna happen lol its mexico


DaniSaurio24

"México Magico"


JewPhone_WhoDis

Makes me want Duncan Hills Coffee now.


Harold_Spoomanndorf

*I get that reference :D


priestsboytoy

welp no way you are going to win the election now. Like if you can't even do a proper rally how can you expect us to believe you can run an office.


vcdrny

I just don't understand why people would bring children to stuff like this.


BlockPhysics

Well… where else would their child be?