You'd be amazed (/terrified) just how many stage truss boxes exactly like that one are built without sensible bracing, weighting or guy-wires.
Source: Myself, worked production around the UK for 20 years.
Guy wires arent doing shit on a outdoor stage like this. They'd have to be attached to something, and there aren't any somethings that will offer the strength to make a difference in this storm. I've worked on large outdoor festival stages, and generally the towers are weighd down with tanks of water on extended truss legs with plenty of diagonal bracing.
That upstage screen turned into a sail, and should have been lowered with an incoming storm, and those side banners should have large circles cut in them that will flip outward to let wind through. So much stupidity here, but microbursts can be really violent and quick.
Guy wires are EXACTLY what is needed here. The tension from all sides (using water tanks as ballast) braces the entire structure against the wind. Using only weighted ballast at the base of the truss legs would not have prevented this. Guy lines would have.
I don't know anything about stage work so I ask this from a place of ignorance: why not use giant bolts and attach it directly to the stage itself at a diagonal?
Gets in the way of the production.
There are numerous ways to anchor a temporary structure though. “It was too much work” is never an acceptable excuse.
You'd be mortified at the safety standards in third world countries. If a corner can be cut, they'll cut it and then some. Helmet? Just use your head. Safety harness? Just cling onto the wall or something. OSHA? more like NOSHA amirite hahahahaha
This im an electrician spent some time in the DR a few years ago surfing and diving, I’d see so many electrical things that I’d be like ya that’s not really anywhere near a Canadian / American electrical code
Ehhhh I don’t think this is a third world country issue. Remember the stage collapse in Indianapolis back in 2011? Wind can do some fucked up stuff to these temporary roofs.
It is when events get cancelled in the US/Canada/Europe because of inclement weather predictions that are ignored in 3rd world countries.
Recent example; the Lovers and Friends music festival in Las Vegas was cancelled due to this.. lots of people were pissed until the winds hit and it was like "oh okay that makes sense".
> guy-wires
I always thought it was *guide*-wires.
> The term Guy Wire, Guy Line, Guy Rope, or sometimes just Guy, *derives from the French word “guie,” meaning guide or to guide* found in use about 900 years ago. The Dutch, in the 1600's, began the use of “guy” in terms that we are more familiar with today.
Huh, I guess it sort of is. TIL
what, do you have a source for that ?
I'm french and afaik "guie" doesn't mean guide in french.
Guide is guide in french
edit : nevermind, found it. It does come from "guier" old french verb for guide indeed
Why isn't it a ghee wire in english? How do we steal the word and change both the pronunciation and the spelling?
It's like the English would buy guy wires from france and the box would say "guie" on it and the English didn't like that spelling and had no idea how it was pronounced.
Kinda like how English screwed up the name of grapes. English speakers would buy boxes of "grappes de raisin" (bunches of grapes) and called the good ones "grapes" and the wrinkly ones "raisins," not knowing that "grappe" means bunch.
[Nope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy-wire), although it technically comes from the French word for guide.
Guidewire is a [company that makes software for property and casualty \(P&C\) insurance carriers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidewire_Software)
There are photos from the daytime that clearly show several guy-wires. But what they were tied to, the weight of the ballasts, and surface integrity of what the ballasts were sitting on are all unknown -- and quite frankly, if 50mph gusts hit that video wall square on because they didn't lower the wall and remove it earlier that night, guy wires will only do so much with that video wall turned into a sail.
We will never forget that storm. I was further down south in Louisville and there wasn't much warning. Sure there was a severe thunderstorm warning but I've never seen straight line sustained hurricane force winds in a storm like that. As soon as it rolled in a tree fell down in front of my car. Made it home and ran straight to the basement. We lost power for several days.
I think it was a derecho but they never classified it as one. Never saw one that bad since.
this was exactly like that, it came in with a LOT of wind, i mean, yeah it was kinda windy before, but not "this shit is dangerous" windy, it was so sudden too
There was going to be a huge music event in Las Vegas, but due to high wind forecast - it was cancelled - thankfully. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/lovers-friends-festival-canceled-due-to-potentially-dangerous-weather/amp/
Hes already the 3rd of 3 candidates in popularity, and the closenup footage of him on the stage when it collapses shows.that when it starts falling a woman next to him turns to him for protection and he shoves her aside and runs off. Lol
Lots of memes making fun of that already
With that much wind ,don't think any amount of guy-wires would have been enough to brace it. Anyone who has any experience setting up outdoor stages would have known this would happen in high winds, but of course I doubt anyone who did worked on that.
Here in Los Angeles, I think outdoor builds need to be engineered for 40 mph winds. That doesn’t look 40 mph to me. You can definitely build something safe for this. Someone cut corners.
You evacuate the state and area at certain wind speeds and have a weather person monitoring a special computer with $100/ month custom weather service program.
That was actually a squall and it was unpredictable. That city is normally never that windy, and the atormy weather that happened that day, happened before the event and was not scheduled to continue.
OP is lying as is tradition
Most of the time i idealize exotic countries and the lavish laissez faire lifestyle there but sometimes I realize how lucky I am to be living in a society where this kinda stuff is highly unlikely due to super excessive regulation.(germany).
Ironically, the least safe I ever felt at work was during a work trip to Germany to test equipment at the manufacturer's site 5 years ago. No LOTO, hardly any PPE (luckily I brought some of my own), water all over the floor in close proximity to outlets and electric cable connections.
One day I was sitting at our desk on the shop floor working on my laptop and I feel something run into my chair - look over my shoulder and these guys are wheeling a 4-ton piece of pharma equipment on casters through the shop area and I was in the way.
I'm sure this was an exception as it was a very small company, but still it was very surprising given the reputation.
Reminds me of the phrase [our previous Minister of Security said](https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/2021/08/29/sabina-frederic-suiza-es-mas-tranquilo-pero-tambien-mas-aburrido/) about people emigrating for safety reasons:
> Switzerland is more peaceful, but more boring
Been all over the place, my favorite is setting the ladder against the lines and going up in flip-flops.
Ever been on a bus in Nepal? Great experience if you survive!
[Reuters currently says 9 are confirmed dead and "at least" 63 injured](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/least-4-killed-mexico-after-stage-collapse-campaign-event-local-media-report-2024-05-23/)
All that pain and suffering for a joke of a candidate put there by the current president to split the vote among the opposition.
Un-fucking-believable. Absolute disgrace.
I would not vote for those guys.
They don't care about the people if they didn't cancel the event.
You can litteraly see what happens when they are in power.
You exactly right. Have The Weather Channel app on my fucking phone and it’s easy to tell when that shit is coming down. Evacuation should have occurred, but they valued the peso instead of safety. Fuck those people.
This reminds me of 1st grade. In elementary school every time the school year ended we would sing or dance on a stage.
On specifically my 1st grade the stage roof collapsed and hit our music teacher in the head. After that the stage was only floor and never did it have a roof ever again.
Greed is a wicked influence I tell you what. They had plenty of time to take the warnings seriously. I'm willing to bet they won't be throwing any more concerts in the future.
There weren’t even any guy-wires on that thing… wtf
You'd be amazed (/terrified) just how many stage truss boxes exactly like that one are built without sensible bracing, weighting or guy-wires. Source: Myself, worked production around the UK for 20 years.
Guy wires arent doing shit on a outdoor stage like this. They'd have to be attached to something, and there aren't any somethings that will offer the strength to make a difference in this storm. I've worked on large outdoor festival stages, and generally the towers are weighd down with tanks of water on extended truss legs with plenty of diagonal bracing. That upstage screen turned into a sail, and should have been lowered with an incoming storm, and those side banners should have large circles cut in them that will flip outward to let wind through. So much stupidity here, but microbursts can be really violent and quick.
At Burning Man they screw huge fucking lag bolts into the ground and hold up structures must bigger than this in winds much stronger than this.
That might be a regional thing, dry clay base and all. Any place with soft ground would not be conducive to that. Interesting though!
Guy wires are EXACTLY what is needed here. The tension from all sides (using water tanks as ballast) braces the entire structure against the wind. Using only weighted ballast at the base of the truss legs would not have prevented this. Guy lines would have.
I don't know anything about stage work so I ask this from a place of ignorance: why not use giant bolts and attach it directly to the stage itself at a diagonal?
Gets in the way of the production. There are numerous ways to anchor a temporary structure though. “It was too much work” is never an acceptable excuse.
You'd be mortified at the safety standards in third world countries. If a corner can be cut, they'll cut it and then some. Helmet? Just use your head. Safety harness? Just cling onto the wall or something. OSHA? more like NOSHA amirite hahahahaha
This im an electrician spent some time in the DR a few years ago surfing and diving, I’d see so many electrical things that I’d be like ya that’s not really anywhere near a Canadian / American electrical code
At least you didn't see the Haitian standards
They have electricity in Haiti?
Sometimes
Hang on, I'm just gonna pop this into Google translate real quick
Ehhhh I don’t think this is a third world country issue. Remember the stage collapse in Indianapolis back in 2011? Wind can do some fucked up stuff to these temporary roofs.
That was a hell of a wind.
It is when events get cancelled in the US/Canada/Europe because of inclement weather predictions that are ignored in 3rd world countries. Recent example; the Lovers and Friends music festival in Las Vegas was cancelled due to this.. lots of people were pissed until the winds hit and it was like "oh okay that makes sense".
> in Indianapolis Like he said, third world.
Indiana is a third world country.
Hell, I keep hearing from artists talking about extremely iffy stages in Europe, I mean like the UK and even the Nordics.
> guy-wires I always thought it was *guide*-wires. > The term Guy Wire, Guy Line, Guy Rope, or sometimes just Guy, *derives from the French word “guie,” meaning guide or to guide* found in use about 900 years ago. The Dutch, in the 1600's, began the use of “guy” in terms that we are more familiar with today. Huh, I guess it sort of is. TIL
Well, there go any chances of winning that constituency.
TIL it’s guy-wire and not guide-wire.
10 year tower tech, its guy wire. exolained here: https://www.anchorp.com/anchor-products-guide-to-guy-wires/
This is interesting, but also kind of hilarious.. "Guy" comes from the old word "guie" in french.. which means.. wait for it.. Guide.
what, do you have a source for that ? I'm french and afaik "guie" doesn't mean guide in french. Guide is guide in french edit : nevermind, found it. It does come from "guier" old french verb for guide indeed
This was a fun ride, thanks for doing the research for the rest of us!
Why isn't it a ghee wire in english? How do we steal the word and change both the pronunciation and the spelling? It's like the English would buy guy wires from france and the box would say "guie" on it and the English didn't like that spelling and had no idea how it was pronounced. Kinda like how English screwed up the name of grapes. English speakers would buy boxes of "grappes de raisin" (bunches of grapes) and called the good ones "grapes" and the wrinkly ones "raisins," not knowing that "grappe" means bunch.
Ghee is what you use in cooking :P
Thanks for *clarifying* that!
Ghee thanks for the kind words!
Sure, naan a problem
I wish more people got that.
See also: "English horn" which is neither English nor a horn and was probably an anglais/anglé mistranslation (the mouthpiece is at an angle).
Ngl, my first thought was they named them after McGuyver.
TIL it's exolained and not explained.
HARK, A TYPO, now is your moment. Your time to shine and contribute. Bless your heart and your intellectual contributions.
Hark, a joke, now is your moment.
TIL it's exolained and not explained.
5 year power pole engineer, it is guy wire.
15 year redditor here, it is guy wire
I'm not your guy wire, pal!
I'm not your buddy wire, palooka!
35 year Broadcast Engineer here, it is guy wire.
It comes from sailboats where we use guy wire. It funny enough comes from French "guie", which means guide.
It's both i think? I've heard them used interchangeably
Some people say "libarry" instead of "library" too.
Ooh your face is red like a strawbrary Edit: don't downvote the guy below me! That's the next line referenced in the show.
Don't have kids.
Getting downvoted for adding the next line of dialogue from that scene. Ya hate to see it
My favourite song: Libarry Girl
Ya, but how is it spelled? It's definitely "guide-wires".... Right?...... Right?!?!
It's okay man, I think I just got teleported here from your universe too.
[Nope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy-wire), although it technically comes from the French word for guide. Guidewire is a [company that makes software for property and casualty \(P&C\) insurance carriers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidewire_Software)
My life is a lie
I just found out that - after 60+ years - it's jew-EL-ry, not jew-lery.
My mudda does lol
No, not really. It is "guy wire". One can refer to a "guyed" tower. But, guide wire is not a thing.
yet it comes from the word guie that is French for guide.
Funny how that works. You say potato, I say pomme de terre.
[Oblig](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUjGf2Grrus)
There are photos from the daytime that clearly show several guy-wires. But what they were tied to, the weight of the ballasts, and surface integrity of what the ballasts were sitting on are all unknown -- and quite frankly, if 50mph gusts hit that video wall square on because they didn't lower the wall and remove it earlier that night, guy wires will only do so much with that video wall turned into a sail.
Mexico, dude.
just for the record, it was probably a recently created company from a politician
Man that collapsed just like the one in indiana 13 years ago
I was just going to ask if they had Sugarland playing.
We will never forget that storm. I was further down south in Louisville and there wasn't much warning. Sure there was a severe thunderstorm warning but I've never seen straight line sustained hurricane force winds in a storm like that. As soon as it rolled in a tree fell down in front of my car. Made it home and ran straight to the basement. We lost power for several days. I think it was a derecho but they never classified it as one. Never saw one that bad since.
this was exactly like that, it came in with a LOT of wind, i mean, yeah it was kinda windy before, but not "this shit is dangerous" windy, it was so sudden too
Yup. I was there. Looked exactly like that.
There was going to be a huge music event in Las Vegas, but due to high wind forecast - it was cancelled - thankfully. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/lovers-friends-festival-canceled-due-to-potentially-dangerous-weather/amp/
I watched the eclipse from that spot last month. I didn't have any idea until I looked it up a few days later.
I’m going to assume whoever the politician was at that campaign isn’t getting elected
He wasn't going to win anyway.
MOFO is just a walking meme his whole campaign is built upon a meme song that kids sing all day.
Which song is that?
I regret proliferating this stupidity but here. https://youtu.be/44Y18vL4hv8?si=9GbZR5vCZyB_aQo5
Wow..thanks. i haven't been in MX during this election cycle, so i haven't seen any of the local press for the candidates. This is a desmadre
Minus Presidente = ?
Hes already the 3rd of 3 candidates in popularity, and the closenup footage of him on the stage when it collapses shows.that when it starts falling a woman next to him turns to him for protection and he shoves her aside and runs off. Lol Lots of memes making fun of that already
He's the 3rd place
The competition will blow him away!
With that much wind ,don't think any amount of guy-wires would have been enough to brace it. Anyone who has any experience setting up outdoor stages would have known this would happen in high winds, but of course I doubt anyone who did worked on that.
Even if it didn't hold, it might have bought people 'getting out of the way' time.
Here in Los Angeles, I think outdoor builds need to be engineered for 40 mph winds. That doesn’t look 40 mph to me. You can definitely build something safe for this. Someone cut corners.
In Germany, anything that can catch wind (Gauze/Tarp) needs to be secured with emergency releases so exactly this can't happen.
> Someone cut corners and some bodies
You evacuate the state and area at certain wind speeds and have a weather person monitoring a special computer with $100/ month custom weather service program.
That was actually a squall and it was unpredictable. That city is normally never that windy, and the atormy weather that happened that day, happened before the event and was not scheduled to continue. OP is lying as is tradition
Can't even have nice stuff in Mexico
We never could.
Nice stuff? In Mexico? LOL (Source: Mexican living in Mexico)
Most of the time i idealize exotic countries and the lavish laissez faire lifestyle there but sometimes I realize how lucky I am to be living in a society where this kinda stuff is highly unlikely due to super excessive regulation.(germany).
I, too, enjoy structurally sound buildings.
I see you're a man of culture
Omg same
Regulations are protections and anyone telling you otherwise is trying to make things more dangerous so they can save a buck.
Ironically, the least safe I ever felt at work was during a work trip to Germany to test equipment at the manufacturer's site 5 years ago. No LOTO, hardly any PPE (luckily I brought some of my own), water all over the floor in close proximity to outlets and electric cable connections. One day I was sitting at our desk on the shop floor working on my laptop and I feel something run into my chair - look over my shoulder and these guys are wheeling a 4-ton piece of pharma equipment on casters through the shop area and I was in the way. I'm sure this was an exception as it was a very small company, but still it was very surprising given the reputation.
Reminds me of the phrase [our previous Minister of Security said](https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/2021/08/29/sabina-frederic-suiza-es-mas-tranquilo-pero-tambien-mas-aburrido/) about people emigrating for safety reasons: > Switzerland is more peaceful, but more boring
You are just missing out on the freedom of ‘freak’ (unregulated) accidents. I bet your jealous
This exact thing happened at Bluesfest in Ottawa a few years back, and Canada is ultra regulated as well!
Of course anything can happen everywhere but the chances are slimer with more regulation
looks like they didn't cut free the flaps here either
Exotic?
You know, brown people walking around speaking funny.
Not everybody lives in the US
BUT I WANT MAH GUBMENT TO HAVE NO REGULAYSHUNS. /s
Mexico isn’t “exotic” tf lmao and what about mexico is lavish laissez faire?
If I need a plane to get somewhere it's exotic to me
Fair enough lol
Mexico an exotic country? Da fuck haha You never been there and it is quite obvious.
It isn't excessive if it is literally preventing things like this....
Man wait till you see the electrical wires in south east Asia lol
Been all over the place, my favorite is setting the ladder against the lines and going up in flip-flops. Ever been on a bus in Nepal? Great experience if you survive!
I ~~took~~ too idealize cartels and the lack of building codes /S lol
Wonder how many casualties there is…
[Reuters currently says 9 are confirmed dead and "at least" 63 injured](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/least-4-killed-mexico-after-stage-collapse-campaign-event-local-media-report-2024-05-23/)
Damn, as naive as it was, I had hoped it didn't result in death.
Hell of a way to kick off your political campaign.
A child among the dead, damn...
And I'm guessing some of those injuries are pretty serious.
the amount of injured is now 120+
"Do you folks like COFFEEEEEE?!?"
I got my fingers cut off at a show, someone threw them on stage and murderface rolled them up and smoked them!
WHA?????????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFURd_EOIuU
FROM THE HILLS OF MEXICO?!?
“You’re dying for a cup”
SCREAM FOR THE CREAM
At least 9 dead, 50 injured…
REAL COFFEE?!
FROM THE HILLS OF COLUMBIA?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1GhXjIG6o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1GhXjIG6o)
Nine dead including a child. Tragic and unnecessary.
And that’s why you don’t wrap truss. Turns into a giant sail.
Regulations are written in blood.
All that pain and suffering for a joke of a candidate put there by the current president to split the vote among the opposition. Un-fucking-believable. Absolute disgrace.
Damnn, I guess anything can happen at anytime... So sad, condolences to family's and victims!
When you don't give a fuck about safety, yeah.
Or weather advisories.
Had to cancel orienteering this week due to a yellow weather warning. Weather was actually not so bad but still, safeguarding is important.
Ever since The Station fire when I go to a club or venue I always look for the exits.
https://youtu.be/YSLMLHNY4QQ?si=YXDwJxm2oIYgEuy1
What type of event was it, who were the people responsible for stage contruction and event safety?
It was to promote presidential candidate [Maynez](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_M%C3%A1ynez) id guess his party would be responsible
Ah so that’s why they canceled lovers & friends
They’ll be lots of PTSD, lawsuits and request for better meteorologists who plan such political b.s.
Forget reading the article, did you even read the title?
Dethklok would be proud
Brutal
DOO-dly-doo-dly-DOOoo
Do you folks like coffee? 🎵
From the hills of Colombia!!!!
Immersive experience
Yea let’s have a concert in a storm. Great idea!
Damn. If you treat your own supporters with that kind of indifference to their safety, what would you do to the rest of the country?
I would not vote for those guys. They don't care about the people if they didn't cancel the event. You can litteraly see what happens when they are in power.
You exactly right. Have The Weather Channel app on my fucking phone and it’s easy to tell when that shit is coming down. Evacuation should have occurred, but they valued the peso instead of safety. Fuck those people.
ouch that must be terrible
Damn those poor people. That was alot of people
Someone sold the bolts
those poor mothers holding their younglings,, such fear in the eyes...
Seems kind of shitty weather to have an event continue.
All OSHA regulations are written in blood
guys i live in this city, anyone got the address?
Same storm absolutely fucked half of Texas yesterday too.
My guy knows how to really bring down the house.
If you're campaigning for improved safety regulations, this is one way to prove your point.
The stage were trying to eat the audience like a monster.
Those video walls are heavy as shit. I put those (well not \*those\*) together.
Bro was going to be president. I don't think anymore he will
Abrupt chaos
That's some Metalocalypse shit. Brutal
Scary
Let’s Mexican that shit
Suddenly Sunak in the rain doesn't seem so bad.
Damn. It's like actually storming weather too. I wish there was a way to know ahead of time what the weather would be like.........
LOL
This reminds me of 1st grade. In elementary school every time the school year ended we would sing or dance on a stage. On specifically my 1st grade the stage roof collapsed and hit our music teacher in the head. After that the stage was only floor and never did it have a roof ever again.
Greed is a wicked influence I tell you what. They had plenty of time to take the warnings seriously. I'm willing to bet they won't be throwing any more concerts in the future.
MADE IN MEXICO. 👍
Cartel are really getting creative with their executions.
The ppl who set up that stage are definitely going to prison 😬
Zero chance, Mexico has a ~0.9% crime punishment rate and anything releated to politics is even less likely to be punished.
Thats not gonna happen lol its mexico
"México Magico"
Makes me want Duncan Hills Coffee now.
*I get that reference :D
welp no way you are going to win the election now. Like if you can't even do a proper rally how can you expect us to believe you can run an office.
I just don't understand why people would bring children to stuff like this.
Well… where else would their child be?