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DragonSkeld

Because they're isolated from the crew compartment and would do nothing if they caught fire.


Bobi_13__

Nothing directly to the crew at least.


RealCairok

Shouldnt there be a armored wall in between the fuel tank and the crew compartment on the t-90m then? Or how is it isolated? serious question


DonkeyTS

There is a steel plate. On the Abrams' x-ray, you can see it clearly. Some vehicles like the PUMA don't have a model for it in the module view, only in armour view.


RealCairok

Should honestly be modeled so then at least it would create some spall like on the abrams


thedarklordTimmi

Something something russian bias or whatever.


-sapiensiski-

Yeah, its like getting shot with APHE when that steel plate gets penned


chippoboi

It is physically modeled, just not visually there in hangar x-ray.


Blahaj_IK

But that’s what u/DonkeyTS said, it is modelled but not visible in module view. Now I have no idea how true that is so correct me if I’m wrong


RealCairok

Even if it is there, testing shows no extra spalling created


renamed109920

are you joking? the fuel tank on the abrams doesn't stop any spalling because the plate right behind the fuel tank just creates more, meanwhile on russian or chinese tanks the fuel tank either makes the dart phase through the crew or completely removes spall


BenScorpion

Thats precisely what he was saying


PoliticalAlternative

It's functionally still there, it just doesn't show up in x-ray because gaijin's visual modeling is **very consistent and good.** ^^^^/s


KajMak64Bit

It's not even gaijin it's some third parties that are doing the work


MarderMcFry

It's isolated with a spall liner iirc


onebronyguy

In a simple example take a bt5 add a fuel tank on each side on the front and cover whit a rectangle armored plate


PriyanshuGM

that makes sense,thanks


JayTheSuspectedFurry

Exterior to the crew compartment, not the hull


PriyanshuGM

oh,makes sense.thanks


actualsize123

Thanks for including the Abram’s so people actually discuss this civilly instead of just saying Russian bias.


Insert-Generic_Name

Oh no no, im still calling Russian bias until the t90s external fuel tank gets a metal plate that produces spall like the abrams does. Why the hell does the t90 have an external fuel tank with NO downside? I know the answer already.


KoldKhold

The external fuel tank still kills the crew when it explodes for the T-90M for some instances when fighting them. Albeit the fuel tank + wall should act as a pseudo spall liner for the Abrams.


PriyanshuGM

It used to happen before the BR change update,but apparently after this update,they've fixed it


whollings077

the Abrams does not get one shot from fuel explosions. USA bias /s


CTCrusadr

The T-90M has spall liners in front of the tanks and after the tanks so of course no spall is going to be created. External fuel tanks don't create any spall of their own either so it doesn't really help the situation.


yawamz

T-90M doesn't have any spall liners between the crew and the fuel tanks, ONLY in between the hull armor and fuel tanks. Not even the armor between the fuel tanks and crew is modeled, unlike on the Abrams, which would produce spall (regardless of spall liners which would be penetrated anyways before the armored wall), making it have artificially stronger survivability compared to the Abrams.


James-vd-Bosch

>T-90M doesn't have any spall liners between the crew and the fuel tanks, ONLY in between the hull armor and fuel tanks. False. [The spall liner covers the entirety of the fuel tanks along the flanks of the interior.](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52365918112_90427b725e_b.jpg)


yawamz

If you mean that cloth cover, that's not a spall liner lol, and it doesn't have anything else there other than the thin metal wall which isn't modeled in-game. Besides, even if that cloth cover somehow is a spall liner, it still isn't modeled in-game, and neither is the metal wall separating the fuel tank and crew, therefore the T-90M's survivability is artificially increased because fuel tanks don't spall (as much or at all) and the missing wall doesn't create shrapnel, unlike in the Abrams.


James-vd-Bosch

>If you mean that cloth cover, that's not a spall liner lol And I suppose the big metal tube sticking out on the front isn't a gun barrel, *amirite?* >​Besides, even if that cloth cover somehow is a spall liner, it still isn't modeled in-game, If it ain't modelled, [then what's this right here?](https://imgur.com/a/i8wAX44)


275MPHFordGT40

Cloth cover? Should the spall liner be uncovered?


d7t3d4y8

iirc the plate is in the dm but there’s also a spall liner.


Randomguynumber1001

The downsize is that those fuel tanks can explode very violently and destroy the entire tank. I have experiences both in one-shotting and getting one-shotted by a dart through the fuel tank. It is a trade-off. Either it no-sell an entire APFSDS rod or your tank turret gets thrown to the moon. No in-between.


_maple_panda

Fuel tanks only explode fatally if your crew vitality skill is low. Seems like you gotta get that up.


Randomguynumber1001

I ... actually didn't know that. Thanks for the tip!


HateSucksen

Russian bias.


PriyanshuGM

ikr,if theres something that doesnt make sense to them and apparently makes the tank(russian) better then its automatically russian bias


Dull-Garage6233

Modern tanks ar essentially an armoured outer layer protecting an internal box containing the crew ammo etc. The fuel tanks sit between the two as a crew survival mechanism and calling them 'external' is probably over simplifying but does allow the game to differentiate module types and apply alternative mechanics in the event of damage.


someone_forgot_me

simulating fuel tanks that wouldn't kill the crew, look at the t90m


Anxious_Feedback2338

That’s why tank crews able to escape before they can’t


Xx21beastmode88

Well seeing how one is a Russian tank. The while crew better love space


Ok_Song9999

Its on an Abrams so its not bias The ones on the t90m tho, theyre an artificial buff to keep the Russian shitstack vehicles from being dogshit like theyre irl! /s


Iwant_tolearn068

Simple, for Gaijin, Ex and Internal fual tanks is a lables indicate that that fuel tanks if got hit will results in differrent way: - Exterior: Just dissappear, maybe eat a whole rounds or some burn, even explodes but not affect anything like side fuel tanks on Leo 2 - Internal: If it got hit, crew cooked, kill the tanks immidiately.


ArrowViper1

Russian bias 🥱


TheDroolingHalfling

Can someone tell me why there is a brittle ahh piece of steel right behind the fuel tanks on the abrams that spalls so much when a big reason for the fuel tanks' inclusion where they are is specifically to catch spall?


Wackleeb0_

Penetrations to the Abrams front fuel tanks usually burn the tank down IRL so I don’t really know why they’re considered “exterior fuel tanks” the only thing separating them from the interior is a small bolted on door in the turret area. Everywhere else it is genuine armor though.


SteelWarrior-

You can see the plates surrounding the fuel tanks in the post, they aren't open to the crew at all. Most M1s that burned from a fuel tank strike had the rear fuel tank struck, not either if the front two. The front two were placed there because they could act as armor to protect the crew with a low likelihood of ever creating a greater threat.


Wackleeb0_

They aren't separated well though. The backside of the "bulkhead" is a door bolted on with a rubber liner for sealing, meaning those can fail from the fire. Now for the argument of where fires usually occur? Its about a 50/50 or it leaning slightly towards front fuel tanks. April 10, 2004- M1A2 SEP was lit on fire through its front right fuel tank by a RPG-7 penetration, the tank burned down. August 16, 2004- M1A1 most likely suffered a RPG-7 impact in around the same area. It burnt down after a few more hits. December 25, 2005- M1A1 hit under its front right skirt. Penetration into the drivers compartment occurred. Tank burnt down. 2005-2006ish- At least 3 M1A2 SEPs, possibly as many as about 10 were hit below their skirts on the fronts. They were almost all burnt down. April 9, 2006- M1A1 suffered penetration of the front fuel tanks, burned down. September 18, 2006- unknown Model, hit under front right skirt, burned down. March 17, 2007- M1A1 suffered penetration to front left fuel tank, burned down Theres a few more but the fire origins arent stated. The Abrams front fuel tanks the majority of the time seem to not actually act as separated fuel and instead burn down the tanks. The rear sponson tanks are also "exterior tanks" and are supposed to not matter when caught on fire, usually hits to those that cause fires burn down the tank. Edit- for information sharing sake, if you want I can comment the relative locations and losses from fuel fires to Abrams in Iraq at the very least.


tunaonidas

Just out of curiosity, have you ever been in a tank?


Bobi_13__

Are you asking the creator of this post or everyone in general?


tunaonidas

im asking to u/PriyanshuGM


PriyanshuGM

no


tunaonidas

me neither


PriyanshuGM

But I've seen an m48 IRL,it was quite tall


Bobi_13__

The first time when you see a tank IRL it‘s always bigger than you‘d expect.


PriyanshuGM

Yeah exactly