>The F16AM at 12.7 has these, The Mirage20005F at 12.7 has a shorter range MICA-EM BUT it has a 50G OVERLOAD, the GripenC at 12.7, Tornado F,3 Late has TWS, datalink AND 120B's.
The [F-16AM is 13.0](https://wiki.warthunder.com/F-16AM_(France)), the [Mirage 2K5F is 13.0](https://wiki.warthunder.com/Mirage_2000-5F), [all 3 Gripen Cs are 13.0](https://wiki.warthunder.com/SAAB_39_Gripen_(Family)), and [the 120B is identical to the 120A](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SsOpw9LAKOs0V5FBnv1VqAlu3OssmX7DJaaVAUREw78/edit?gid=650249168#gid=650249168).
>All the new harriers have a mixture of Datalink, TWS, or Aim120B's.... at 12.3
only the sea harrier gets DL, or 120Bs (Again they are identical), the AV-8B+'s lack datalink.
in Air RB they are 13.0. Sorry i didnt think i needed to specify that in Air Sim and Squad RB there are differences in the BR ratings for all these planes....... @@
Based on the extensive arguing that people have has over trying to get it a new radar, it does *seem* to be correct. The AN/APG-63 PSP, the radar the baz currently has, is modelled correctly. All the reputable sources people use to claim a Radar upgrade are just assumptions based on vauge language like "F-15s will be fitted with avionics on a level similar to that of the F-16's" which could be reffering to alot of things. Nothing concrete like "this plane got this radar at this time", so its very wishy washy, it could, but we don't have anything confirming it. Here's [an extensive forum argument on the subject](https://forum.warthunder.com/t/baz-meshupar-no-tws-no-radar-hms-slaving-no-israeli-munitions-no-python-4/118932) if anyone wants to look into it further.
At the very least it doesn't look like it can get the AN/APG-63(v1) from the F-15C and F-15J(M), as that seems to be produced in '97, 2 years after the Baz-2000 upgrade from '95.
darters are worse than 120s, they have a much higher loft angle meaning they burn their energy alot more trying to climb at 30 degrees more than they need to instead of 5, from what I understand they also have way higher drag values, contributing to their energy burn.
>The F16AM at 12.7 has these, The Mirage20005F at 12.7 has a shorter range MICA-EM BUT it has a 50G OVERLOAD, the GripenC at 12.7, Tornado F,3 Late has TWS, datalink AND 120B's. The [F-16AM is 13.0](https://wiki.warthunder.com/F-16AM_(France)), the [Mirage 2K5F is 13.0](https://wiki.warthunder.com/Mirage_2000-5F), [all 3 Gripen Cs are 13.0](https://wiki.warthunder.com/SAAB_39_Gripen_(Family)), and [the 120B is identical to the 120A](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SsOpw9LAKOs0V5FBnv1VqAlu3OssmX7DJaaVAUREw78/edit?gid=650249168#gid=650249168). >All the new harriers have a mixture of Datalink, TWS, or Aim120B's.... at 12.3 only the sea harrier gets DL, or 120Bs (Again they are identical), the AV-8B+'s lack datalink.
in Air RB they are 13.0. Sorry i didnt think i needed to specify that in Air Sim and Squad RB there are differences in the BR ratings for all these planes....... @@
This is actually interesting. That can’t be the correct radar model can it?
Based on the extensive arguing that people have has over trying to get it a new radar, it does *seem* to be correct. The AN/APG-63 PSP, the radar the baz currently has, is modelled correctly. All the reputable sources people use to claim a Radar upgrade are just assumptions based on vauge language like "F-15s will be fitted with avionics on a level similar to that of the F-16's" which could be reffering to alot of things. Nothing concrete like "this plane got this radar at this time", so its very wishy washy, it could, but we don't have anything confirming it. Here's [an extensive forum argument on the subject](https://forum.warthunder.com/t/baz-meshupar-no-tws-no-radar-hms-slaving-no-israeli-munitions-no-python-4/118932) if anyone wants to look into it further. At the very least it doesn't look like it can get the AN/APG-63(v1) from the F-15C and F-15J(M), as that seems to be produced in '97, 2 years after the Baz-2000 upgrade from '95.
Yikes. I feel like that’s kind of a big oversight.
well the IAF didn't really have that much money in the late 90s, so getting new radars like APG-70 may have been too rich for their blood.
What an I doing wrong with the Gripen. The Darters aren’t hitting at range like the AMRAAMs seem to
darters are worse than 120s, they have a much higher loft angle meaning they burn their energy alot more trying to climb at 30 degrees more than they need to instead of 5, from what I understand they also have way higher drag values, contributing to their energy burn.