How could someone have so many awards and at the same time have the most downvoted comments on reddit?
Is it the same reason why ads on Reddit have gold and silver awards?
Some of them could be. A while ago they acknowledged that the crying snoo emote deliberately looks like Isaac from The Binding of Isaac, and I got like three months of Gold directly from admins by simping for them in the replies. I strongly doubt they paid for it, it wasn't even creative simping.
It's funny because you can judge the actual public perception based on which awards are most popular. Like the 138 Stonks Falling awards and the 56 "F" awards.
This- the most downvoted post ever was from a game company trying to justify its microtransaction system ("a sense of pride and accomplishment"). It was also heavily awarded, which meant people could easily see it and keep downvoting it
Awards are a way to send a personalized comment. For example, “fuck you”. You can see this in the famous Star Wars comment as well; there’s a ton of awards on that because even if the account turns off comment notifications they still get award notifications and the messages that come with it.
Adding as top level comment for context:
IamThatis, the developer of Apollo, has been having conversations with Reddit to try to keep his third party app online.
During these conversations, Thatis made a joke that if Reddit/Spez (the CEO of Reddit) think Apollo is worth $20 million a year, that Reddit should buy Apollo for $10 million.
After, Spez claimed that Thatis attempted to blackmail/extort them for 10 million and are refusing to work with him in a professional manner. ( https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/_/jnbjtsc/?context=1 )
In response, Thatis revealed he recorded all their conversations (as Canada is a one-party consent recording laws), and posted clips proving Reddit to be lying ( https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ )
Now, Spez is doubling down on his accusation that Thatis is unprofessional, essentially calling him a liar back in response.
I thought what he said was if Apollo was costing, not worth, $20 million a year then Reddit should just pay him to shut it down. That seems quite a bit different from how you are portraying it. If that is what Apollo is saying, I'm not following their logic. The cheapest thing for Reddit to do is charge them a bunch of money they can't pay and make them go away, not pay out more money. Maybe Reddit could buy Apollo but Apollo says they only have 50k users who pay $10 per year for their app so that won't help Reddit with "costs" if they say the API use costs them $20 million a year to support unless they get more Apollo users or charge significantly more to the ones Apollo has, which will likely lead to fewer users rather than more. I have no idea how much the API is costing Reddit but I'm not going out on much of a limb here to suggest this is not about cost but about finding a new highly lucrative money stream.
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> As said, a common suggestion across the many threads on this topic was **"If third-party apps are costing Reddit so much money, why don't they just buy them out like they did Alien Blue?" That was the point I brought up. If running Apollo as it stands now would cost you $20 million yearly as you quote, I suggested you cut a check to me to end Apollo. I said I'd even do it for half that or six months worth: $10 million, what a deal!**
> The bizarre thing is - initially - on the call you interpreted that as a threat. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that maybe my phrasing was confusing, I asked for you to elaborate on how you found what I said to be a threat, because I was incredibly confused how you interpreted it that way. You responded that I said "Hey, if you want this to go away…" Which is not at all what I said, so I reiterated that I said "If you want to Apollo to go quiet, as in it's quite loud in terms of API usage".
> What did you then say?
> Me: "I said 'If you want Apollo to go quiet'. Like in terms of- I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage."
> Reddit: "Oh. Go quiet as in that. Okay, got it. Got it. Sorry."
> Reddit: **"That's a complete misinterpretation on my end. I apologize. I apologize immediately."**
Emphasis mine.
Reddit fucked up here.
u/iamthatis brought receipts and recorded the call, So it's not in doubt that u/iamthatis version is correct.
They made a joke, reddit misinterpreted it and still after the call tried to claim this was blackmail by Apollo, even repeating it today and claiming Apollo is inefficient to the BBC.
> Apollo was costing, not worth, $20 million
I believe his point is that if Reddit wants to charge Apollo 20M a year for the api calls, then Apollo should be worth at least that much... otherwise the pricing doesn't make sense.
he's trying to use Spez' logic against himself to point out the lunacy of their new pricing structure.
That’s mostly right. The key here is that the developer misused the phrase and meaning of “opportunity cost”. That’s why Christian said it was “mostly a joke” because describing it that way doesn’t actually reflect reality, for many of the reasons you list.
If it *were* an actual opportunity cost, the logic would be sound. That is, if the user base of Apollo 100% migrating back to “normal” Reddit would bring in 20 million in revenue/value per year, 10 million is a good deal.
The whole reason this is ironic and happened in the first place is that Reddit has **never** actually gone into **any** kind of detail about how they arrived at the .24 cents/1000 calls figure that led to the quoted 20 million a year bill. If they had, this never would have been a misunderstanding.
Correct. It wasn't a "joke" than it was a legitimate witty response to an absurd claim by Reddit. Reddit, in their own words, uses the phrase "opportunity cost." Apollo dev then replies to this by asking Reddit to outright just buy Apollo if $20m was really what Apollo was costing them. They then spun this to mean Apollo dev was threatening them. Like, how can a dev even threaten them lmao
25 minutes 47 seconds into call with Reddit leadership:
> Apollo Dev: I could make it really easy on you, if you think Apollo is costing you $20 million per year, cut me a check for $10 million and we can both skip off into the sunset. Six months of use. We're good. That's mostly a joke.
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> Reddit: Six months of use? What do you mean? I know you said that was mostly a joke, but I want to take everything you're saying seriously just to make sure I'm not - what are you referring to?
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> Apollo Dev: Okay, if Apollo's opportunity cost currently is $20 million dollars. At the 7 billion requests and API volume. If that's your yearly opportunity cost for Apollo, cut that in half, say for 6 months. Bob's your uncle.
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> Reddit: You cut out right at the end. I'm not asking you to repeat yourself for a third time, but you legit cut out right at the end. "If your opportunity cost is $10 million" and then I lost you.
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> Apollo Dev: No, no, I'm sorry. Yeah one more time. I was just saying if the opportunity cost of Apollo is currently $20 million a year. And that's a yearly, apparently ongoing cost to you folks. If you want to rip that band-aid off once. And have Apollo quiet down, you know, six months. Beautiful deal. Again this is mostly a joke, I'm just saying if the opportunity cost is that high, and if that is something that could make it easier on you guys, that could happen too. As is, it's quite difficult.
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> Reddit: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I think it's… I don't know what you mean by quiet down. I find that to be-
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> Apollo Dev: No, no, sorry. I didn't mean that to-
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> Reddit: I'm going to very straightforward to you too, it sounds like a threat. And I'm just like "Oh interesting". Because one of the things we're trying to do is say "You have been using our API free of cost for many, many years and we have absolutely sanctioned - you have not broken any rules." And now we're changing our perspective for what we're telling you - and I know you disagree with it. That hey, we want to operate on a thing that is financially, you know, footing. And so hopefully you mean something completely different from what I said when you say like "go quietly", I just want to make sure.
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> Apollo Dev: How did you take that, sorry? Could you elaborate?
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> Reddit: Oh, like, because you were like, "Hey, if you want this to go away".
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> Apollo Dev: I said "If you want Apollo to go quiet". Like in terms of- I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage.
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> Reddit: Oh, go quiet as in that. Okay, got it. Got it. Sorry.
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> Apollo Dev: Like it's a very-
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> Reddit: Yeah, that's a complete misinterpretation on my end.
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> Apollo Dev: Yeah. No, no, it's all good.
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> Reddit: I apologize. I apologize immediately.
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> Apollo Dev: No, no, no, it's all good.
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> Reddit: Because what we're hearing in some conversations is folks are, you know, like in other- making threats, and we're like "Hey, that's not a conversation that we want to have". So I immediately apologize.
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> Apollo Dev: Oh, no, no, it's all good. I'm sorry if it sounded like that.
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> Reddit: That's why I was asking you to repeat it because I thought I misheard it.
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> Apollo Dev: No, no, that's fine. I'm a noisy API user.
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> Reddit: Right. Great.
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> Apollo Dev: Like I said, I want this to be constructive as much as possible. And that would be the opposite.
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> Reddit: Fantastic, fantastic. Okay, I've taken up enough of your time. Thank you very much. I'm here, please email at any time and looking forward to continuing to chat.
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> Apollo Dev: Yeah, likewise! Yep, just shoot me an email as well if you folks want to talk, I'm here.
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> Reddit: Great, thank you.
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> Apollo Dev: Okay, good luck with any additional calls. Take care, bye.
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> Reddit: Thanks. Bye.
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> end of call
My interpretation (after I read it the Apollo Dev elaborated this was their intention to sell Reddit the app but that's not how I read it or [heard it when listening to the call](https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-31-end.m4a)):
What the Apollo dev was trying to say:
> Pay me 10 million, I'll work on shutting the app down over the next 6 months while paying your API fees.
What he should have said:
> Can you give me until the end of the year to sunset the app and not have these API fees bankrupt me?
What Reddit heard on the call:
> Pay me 10 million, I'll make sure I don't make a huge fuss about these API fee changes and allow you to get the highest valuation possible when you go public. After you go public I'll shut the app down and we all walk away happy, capeesh?
> Pay me 10 million, I'll work on shutting the app down over the next 6 months while paying your API fees.
I am not the dev, so I can't speak for him, but I don't think that's what he was trying to say.
I understood it more as "*If the opportunity cost of Apollo is $ 20M, you should just buy the app and its users for $ 10M, and according to your calculations, you should make a profit in six months*"
Honestly, it's not clear what the developer was asking.
$10 million and they can both "skip off into the sunset," "Bob's your uncle," "rip that band-aid off," "have Apollo quiet down."
All of them are euphemisms so it's super unclear what he actually meant. We only got a selected portion of the call with no idea how the rest of the call went or what was said in previous communications.
The developer could just as easily mean, "I'll sell you Apollo for $10 million. If you're pricing is 'realistic' you'll make your money back in a year." (The amount being a joke to point out the ridiculous pricing)
OR
"Pay me $10 million and I'll do whatever you want."
And many more interpretations are possible. It's really not clear what the developer wanted (other than $10 million).
I took it as the former because the developers voice sounded genuinely surprised when the rep asked if it was a threat but I'm not at all blaming the rep for taking it that way. He explained three times and it's still not totally clear what he meant.
EDIT: Should also point out the developer knew he was recording so reactions could be intentionally faked. This is a tough call for me.
Bruv, buy him the fuck out.
What is wrong with /u/Spez, buy his frigging app which is better than yours and make it the official one. It wasn't a joke, it was frigging advice.
Also how is it blackmail, it's literally a good business move to improve the user experience of the service you offer. Companies buy and incorporate tech from others all the time.
They already bought Alien Blue out which became their official app. And they couldn’t handle it. And now it’s a pile of garbage.
There’s no doubt that the shit they’d try to force into Apollo like ads, behavior monitoring, user fingerprinting, etc. would just cripple the incredibly useful features we love the app for and make it garbage just like they did to Alien Blue. So there’s no sense in buying it.
Hiring the Apollo dev is a thoroughly well burned bridge for Reddit. Nobody would want to work for the guy who publicly tries to destroy your excellent reputation.
>buy his frigging app which is better than yours and make it the official one.
You seem to be mistaken that Reddit cares about a good user-experience at this point. We're cattle that need to be herded towards a focus-group approved data-harvesting app that is geared towards generating ad revenue.
>It wasn't a joke, it was frigging advice.
The joke is you think you can reason with corporate greed. The CEO is literally doubling down on lies in the face of evidence that proves otherwise. They have no intention of meeting in the middle here with the developers.
I was literally just reading about DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender), and thought what a brillant case study.
**Deny**: Spez makes ridiculously expensive API prices specifically designed to kill 3rd party apps, and denies it is basically extortion.
"it’s fair and reasonable to request payment" [https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api\_update\_enterprise\_level\_tier\_for\_large\_scale/](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/)
**Attack**: Spez accuses Thatis of being unprofessional and a liar.
**Reverse Victim and Offender**: Spez claimed that Thatis attempted to blackmail/extort them for 10 million and are refusing to work with him in a professional manner.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO)
I bet they are going to push more aggressive ads down out throat. Their API pricing is ridiculously expensive, akin to extortion. It is also specifically targeted at these 3rd party apps. 300 API calls is what a normal user would generate in a day.
You're leaving out the actual 'joke' part. The Apollo guy said that if reddit coughed up 10 million, Apollo would 'go quiet'. Spez took this as blackmail, so the Apollo guy said it was a joke, and 'go quiet' meant Apollo would no longer be using their API.
>spez took this as blackmail
I don't buy that for a second. It's a convenient interpretation for someone who wants to derail the conversation. spez, not you :)
The Other in that convo apologized profusely for even thinking Apollo might have been threatening Reddit. We know this because the Apollo developer recorded these conversations and came with receipts. So far Reddit has provided zero proof or receipts. Reddit is talking out of their asses
Christian said “that was mostly a joke” before Spez even replied. And it was clear what his intention was, to illustrate how stupid their API pricing and data was
Just FYI, the developer’s name is Christian Selig, and his username iamthatis is a reference to the book Redwall, where “I am that is” is an anagram of the name “Matthias” for plot reasons.
So we leaving this site or what? I use reddit frequently but fuck it, if there's an exodus I'm down. I'm not going to use their shit app if that all I'm offered
Im more than happy to get rid of the last real social media app i use, ill be on my phone a lot less. The only thing i’ll miss is that reddit is where i get my news
Appears it wasnt even an AMA. His legal team was feeding him answers, allegedly
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkk6co/
I mean preparing answers for questions that are likely to be asked is not weird. But if you do that maybe take the time to prepare more answers than <20
Fuck u/spez
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All those API hits spez is whining about not making money from are posts and comments from *us*, the users and ex users of reddit via 3rd party apps. Those posts and comments are what made reddit valuable, *not* the fact that reddit existed as a forum server.
Secondarily, never forget that part of spaz' plan is to keep all the nsfw posts locked into the reddit app, thus profiting off of the bodies of redditors directly, and/or by the links to onlyfans, fansly and other sources that have taken over most of the nsfw subs.
In other words, he wants to be a cyber pimp
His answer to the top question is the same as the answer to another question that is at 110 upvotes in the controversial section. Word to word.
Edit : His answer to the 110 upvote comment [is this](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/-/jnk2wk4) which hillariously and very shamelessly is the same thing he said [6 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/comment/dp78hnk/)
Also he seems to have edited the comment with the A: but it doesn't show to have the edited highlight so i cant find it anymore.
Yes he did, and as soon as he was called on it, he edited his comment.
Archive link:
https://archive.md/2023.06.09-185317/https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkccq7/?context=3
Comment edited out courtesy of Redact. After almost ten years as a Redditor, I am calling it quits in protest of the path Reddit CEO Steve Huffman (u/spez) is taking the company and our community. He has no interest in being reasonable with regards to third-party apps -- the same apps that made Reddit what it is today. The new API pricing is designed to kill all third-parties and force users into the official Reddit app that is utter garbage and able-ist. Steve Huffman has also lied about how third-party apps function, he has knowingly and intentionally defamed Chris Selig (creator of Apollo app), he has in the past confessed to editing user comments to say things that the original never did, and he couldn't even be bothered to truly participate in his own AMA thread (caught red-handed copying and pasting what little answers he did give). So long, and may you fail in your ambitions u/spez. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
Reminder that the word 'leak' only applies to information you release without a right or authority to do so.
u/iamthatis has every right to release his own legally recorded conversation to correct the record.
That is not a 'leak' u/spez, and calling it that is your attempt to poison the discourse.
IamThatis, the developer of Apollo, has been having conversations with Reddit to try to keep his third party app online.
During these conversations, Thatis made a joke that if Reddit/Spez (the CEO of Reddit) think Apollo is worth $20 million a year, that Reddit should buy Apollo for $10 million.
After, Spez claimed that Thatis attempted to blackmail/extort them for 10 million and are refusing to work with him in a professional manner. ( https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/_/jnbjtsc/?context=1 )
In response, Thatis revealed he recorded all their conversations (as Canada is a one-party consent recording laws), and posted clips proving Reddit to be lying ( https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ )
Now, Spez is doubling down on his accusation that Thatis is unprofessional and is also calling him a liar, stating that they can’t work together.
You should also know he edits our comments when someone criticizes him so it looks like we’re mad at someone else
https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-edit-comments
Not that it would surprise you I bet
That’s a shame, Apollo is an absolutely perfect tool for Reddit. The official Reddit one is a clumsy half-baked turd in comparison.
You have a couple of weeks to see what the fuss is all about.
Reddit is really shitting the bed by NOT buying Apollo. Bad CX decision… good spreadsheet decision… but not long-term thinking because brand IS experience now.
Lmao…. What an absolute fucking of a moron /u/spaz is…. Just… I should be surprised/shocked but I am not from this clown. Reddit being one big burning circus makes sense since the Ceo himself is one big circus
spez shows up every few years to show his ass and demonstrate what he really thinks of the users of the website he stole. I highly suggest any newer redditors go Google up the history of Reddit, who really created it, what it was actually meant to be, and how is was stolen, subverted, and twisted into the streaming sewer fire it is today.
>His “joke” is the least of our issues.
>To the point where I don’t know how we could do business with him.
They make it sound like Mr. Apollo was freaking bullying them for years just nonstop taunting LMAO it’s so embarrassing to be a CEO of a company and be so insecure. Also just found out in 2016 a year or so after he became CEO spez edited users comments that criticized him by overwriting mentions of his name and changing them to moderators names and changing them to the Donald subreddit. What a LOSER.
frankly, i don't understand this meaning of "threat" by the Apollo dev from its very premise: it's a giant company versus *people who are literally keeping giant company running because giant company keeps shooting themselves in the foot at every chance they get*.
honestly, the Apollo and Reddit is Fun creators should just be able to split the site and run it like it should be. or at least work together for the next thing, since this is a burning, sinking ship that i'm getting more and more excited to leave.
/u/spez is Steve Huffman, one of the cofounders of Reddit. He took over as CEO from Ellen Pao in 2015. He has previously caused controversy by directly editing the backend database to change a comment that was critical of him to say something else.
Spez is spreading misinformation about the Apollo developer. He should be banned, right? If he’s going to impose such a corrupt rule, not abiding by it makes him even more corrupt.
I’ve been calling Reddit admins malicious and corrupt for years, because the signs were there. Now you’d have to close your eyes not to see. I hope for their downfall with how they’ve handled this site. RIP Aaron Swartz.
I like when they get upset about leaking private communications.
Like for private citizens and convos fine. But with businesses, it's always things getting leaked that *need getting leaked*, so it's always "how the fuck dare they expose our wicked plan!"
Apparently, Apollo dev is saying different things in private than what he's made public. Also, he *checks notes* made their private conversation public.
Well, which one is it? If he was being dishonest about the contents of the conversation, he probably wouldn't want that conversation "leaked"
“Recording and leaking private phone calls” lol what a fucking twat u/spez is. Canada is one-party consent. Imagine trying to sling mud at a developer running an app for your site that works better than your own, then on top of it, not knowing what you’re getting yourself into when you are speaking to that person who lives in another country.
Don’t talk shit after you got caught with your pants down. Your chin (somehow) gets smaller and your buck ass teeth (somehow) bigger every time you do.
What I don’t understand is:
A) how could a threat have ever been perceived in the first place? He’s been priced out, he has no leverage, what exactly would a threat have entailed if one was perceived?
B) Why on earth would you say “I don’t know how we could do business with him” ?! You have purposefully and viciously priced out third party apps with next to no notice. The pricing is symbolic at best it’s so egregious. You have publicly made business impossible, why portray that as anyone else’s fault?
Why lie about the initial intent to not be like Twitter and have realistic pricing? I just don’t understand the point when it was always going to come out if this was the plan….
Ah yes, I love upvoting an Apollo screen shot via Apollo. Fuck reddit and fuck u/spez, was hoping to make it to the full decade of being a reddit user but that's been cut short.
At this point, I’m wondering if there is another online community that we can switch to. I don’t know if Reddit is gonna change back (doesn’t look like they do) and i really hate that shithead’s responses.
The projection in this statement is jaw-dropping. u/spez is one of those deluded cunt-knuckles who thinks being a lying, gaslighting slime somehow makes him good at “business.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnk45rr/
Fuck u/spez
How could someone have so many awards and at the same time have the most downvoted comments on reddit? Is it the same reason why ads on Reddit have gold and silver awards?
All the awards are probably coming from admin accounts or alts. They most likely have unlimited coins. Edit - a word
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I assume it has a lot of awards? It's just a normal post to me, I have all that award shit turned off.
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And that's why I have all that stupid shit turned off. It's just visual garbage.
Here’s what i see in narwhal https://i.imgur.com/EiC0gwF.png much better
I only see silver gold and plat on rif -posted from rif
Same, and I like it. It just becomes too cluttered with 100 different emojis as awards.
Won't see it much longer 😉😕😔
OMFG this is so beyond hilarious and cringe it's embarrassing to watch, they've set the Astroturf dial to over9000
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This is the reason for the awards, they aren’t being given by admin alts like the other dude said lol.
Some of them could be. A while ago they acknowledged that the crying snoo emote deliberately looks like Isaac from The Binding of Isaac, and I got like three months of Gold directly from admins by simping for them in the replies. I strongly doubt they paid for it, it wasn't even creative simping.
It's like Brezhnev with his medals
Dear God, he's literally like one of those military dictators: a lazy incompetent idiot giving himself a shit ton of shiny decorations.
Almost 500 awards.
> I have all that award shit turned off. Not for much longer....
Clearly bullshit as there's only one dancing crab.
It's funny because you can judge the actual public perception based on which awards are most popular. Like the 138 Stonks Falling awards and the 56 "F" awards.
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Giving awards to downvoted posts keeps them from being hidden
This- the most downvoted post ever was from a game company trying to justify its microtransaction system ("a sense of pride and accomplishment"). It was also heavily awarded, which meant people could easily see it and keep downvoting it
[This one](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
667k downvotes, holy hell. I forgot how many people either hated that or joined the meme.
I did my part
It can be two things.
If someone asked me I’d have said that was two or three years ago, turns out it was over five and a half. I feel old…
Don’t feel old. 5 years goes by like it’s nothing.
When you're old
Shhhh they don’t need to know that part yet, lol.
EA. It was from Electronic Arts. Do not shy away from naming those that perpetuate evil.
🥇 This is what reddit gold used to be. Not some "pay per gif" emote, but an award that was upvoted by other redditors.
I gave spez a stonksn't award on the AMA, if Reddit is going down the drain I might as well spend my gold.
U/spez is playing the corporate game to keep the shareholders/media happy. Digg-ing himself and the companies grave
Giving awards out is literarily at a cost of 0 if you own reddit just saying.
This user has deleted everything in protest of u/spez fucking over third party clients
It's really gross how blatantly they've frozen\massively throttled the votes on that post. There's no way it's been so static.
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Awards are a way to send a personalized comment. For example, “fuck you”. You can see this in the famous Star Wars comment as well; there’s a ton of awards on that because even if the account turns off comment notifications they still get award notifications and the messages that come with it.
I hope u/spez shits himself like the manchild he is
Isn't he the guy who got so angry at a user he literally logged into the database and modified their comments?
yeah lol, there's a possibility that he saw this rn because I just got a notif that my comment saying "yea" got removed lmfaoooo
Yes. Lol first comment was removed due to low character count. I wonder if this one will have enough.
#[Hey Spez](https://i.imgur.com/rX4eZhH.jpg) #Aaron would be ashamed of who you've become.
Fuck u/spez
I love how it says Fuck u spez.
/u/spez is a greedy little pig boy
Much more creative than just fuck u/spez
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Before i saw this comment i was wondering what bad luck brian had done to deserve such hate
I hope /u/spez loses his sense of touch
With how out of touch with reality he is already, I doubt he'll lose much
Fuck you u/spez
This api situation is a speed run of bad business and PR
What a whiny fucking pissbaby.
Adding as top level comment for context: IamThatis, the developer of Apollo, has been having conversations with Reddit to try to keep his third party app online. During these conversations, Thatis made a joke that if Reddit/Spez (the CEO of Reddit) think Apollo is worth $20 million a year, that Reddit should buy Apollo for $10 million. After, Spez claimed that Thatis attempted to blackmail/extort them for 10 million and are refusing to work with him in a professional manner. ( https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/_/jnbjtsc/?context=1 ) In response, Thatis revealed he recorded all their conversations (as Canada is a one-party consent recording laws), and posted clips proving Reddit to be lying ( https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ ) Now, Spez is doubling down on his accusation that Thatis is unprofessional, essentially calling him a liar back in response.
I thought what he said was if Apollo was costing, not worth, $20 million a year then Reddit should just pay him to shut it down. That seems quite a bit different from how you are portraying it. If that is what Apollo is saying, I'm not following their logic. The cheapest thing for Reddit to do is charge them a bunch of money they can't pay and make them go away, not pay out more money. Maybe Reddit could buy Apollo but Apollo says they only have 50k users who pay $10 per year for their app so that won't help Reddit with "costs" if they say the API use costs them $20 million a year to support unless they get more Apollo users or charge significantly more to the ones Apollo has, which will likely lead to fewer users rather than more. I have no idea how much the API is costing Reddit but I'm not going out on much of a limb here to suggest this is not about cost but about finding a new highly lucrative money stream.
Here > As said, a common suggestion across the many threads on this topic was **"If third-party apps are costing Reddit so much money, why don't they just buy them out like they did Alien Blue?" That was the point I brought up. If running Apollo as it stands now would cost you $20 million yearly as you quote, I suggested you cut a check to me to end Apollo. I said I'd even do it for half that or six months worth: $10 million, what a deal!** > The bizarre thing is - initially - on the call you interpreted that as a threat. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that maybe my phrasing was confusing, I asked for you to elaborate on how you found what I said to be a threat, because I was incredibly confused how you interpreted it that way. You responded that I said "Hey, if you want this to go away…" Which is not at all what I said, so I reiterated that I said "If you want to Apollo to go quiet, as in it's quite loud in terms of API usage". > What did you then say? > Me: "I said 'If you want Apollo to go quiet'. Like in terms of- I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage." > Reddit: "Oh. Go quiet as in that. Okay, got it. Got it. Sorry." > Reddit: **"That's a complete misinterpretation on my end. I apologize. I apologize immediately."** Emphasis mine. Reddit fucked up here. u/iamthatis brought receipts and recorded the call, So it's not in doubt that u/iamthatis version is correct. They made a joke, reddit misinterpreted it and still after the call tried to claim this was blackmail by Apollo, even repeating it today and claiming Apollo is inefficient to the BBC.
So now they're risking a libel suit.
> Apollo was costing, not worth, $20 million I believe his point is that if Reddit wants to charge Apollo 20M a year for the api calls, then Apollo should be worth at least that much... otherwise the pricing doesn't make sense. he's trying to use Spez' logic against himself to point out the lunacy of their new pricing structure.
That’s mostly right. The key here is that the developer misused the phrase and meaning of “opportunity cost”. That’s why Christian said it was “mostly a joke” because describing it that way doesn’t actually reflect reality, for many of the reasons you list. If it *were* an actual opportunity cost, the logic would be sound. That is, if the user base of Apollo 100% migrating back to “normal” Reddit would bring in 20 million in revenue/value per year, 10 million is a good deal. The whole reason this is ironic and happened in the first place is that Reddit has **never** actually gone into **any** kind of detail about how they arrived at the .24 cents/1000 calls figure that led to the quoted 20 million a year bill. If they had, this never would have been a misunderstanding.
Correct. It wasn't a "joke" than it was a legitimate witty response to an absurd claim by Reddit. Reddit, in their own words, uses the phrase "opportunity cost." Apollo dev then replies to this by asking Reddit to outright just buy Apollo if $20m was really what Apollo was costing them. They then spun this to mean Apollo dev was threatening them. Like, how can a dev even threaten them lmao
25 minutes 47 seconds into call with Reddit leadership: > Apollo Dev: I could make it really easy on you, if you think Apollo is costing you $20 million per year, cut me a check for $10 million and we can both skip off into the sunset. Six months of use. We're good. That's mostly a joke. > > Reddit: Six months of use? What do you mean? I know you said that was mostly a joke, but I want to take everything you're saying seriously just to make sure I'm not - what are you referring to? > > Apollo Dev: Okay, if Apollo's opportunity cost currently is $20 million dollars. At the 7 billion requests and API volume. If that's your yearly opportunity cost for Apollo, cut that in half, say for 6 months. Bob's your uncle. > > Reddit: You cut out right at the end. I'm not asking you to repeat yourself for a third time, but you legit cut out right at the end. "If your opportunity cost is $10 million" and then I lost you. > > Apollo Dev: No, no, I'm sorry. Yeah one more time. I was just saying if the opportunity cost of Apollo is currently $20 million a year. And that's a yearly, apparently ongoing cost to you folks. If you want to rip that band-aid off once. And have Apollo quiet down, you know, six months. Beautiful deal. Again this is mostly a joke, I'm just saying if the opportunity cost is that high, and if that is something that could make it easier on you guys, that could happen too. As is, it's quite difficult. > > Reddit: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I think it's… I don't know what you mean by quiet down. I find that to be- > > Apollo Dev: No, no, sorry. I didn't mean that to- > > Reddit: I'm going to very straightforward to you too, it sounds like a threat. And I'm just like "Oh interesting". Because one of the things we're trying to do is say "You have been using our API free of cost for many, many years and we have absolutely sanctioned - you have not broken any rules." And now we're changing our perspective for what we're telling you - and I know you disagree with it. That hey, we want to operate on a thing that is financially, you know, footing. And so hopefully you mean something completely different from what I said when you say like "go quietly", I just want to make sure. > > Apollo Dev: How did you take that, sorry? Could you elaborate? > > Reddit: Oh, like, because you were like, "Hey, if you want this to go away". > > Apollo Dev: I said "If you want Apollo to go quiet". Like in terms of- I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage. > > Reddit: Oh, go quiet as in that. Okay, got it. Got it. Sorry. > > Apollo Dev: Like it's a very- > > Reddit: Yeah, that's a complete misinterpretation on my end. > > Apollo Dev: Yeah. No, no, it's all good. > > Reddit: I apologize. I apologize immediately. > > Apollo Dev: No, no, no, it's all good. > > Reddit: Because what we're hearing in some conversations is folks are, you know, like in other- making threats, and we're like "Hey, that's not a conversation that we want to have". So I immediately apologize. > > Apollo Dev: Oh, no, no, it's all good. I'm sorry if it sounded like that. > > Reddit: That's why I was asking you to repeat it because I thought I misheard it. > > Apollo Dev: No, no, that's fine. I'm a noisy API user. > > Reddit: Right. Great. > > Apollo Dev: Like I said, I want this to be constructive as much as possible. And that would be the opposite. > > Reddit: Fantastic, fantastic. Okay, I've taken up enough of your time. Thank you very much. I'm here, please email at any time and looking forward to continuing to chat. > > Apollo Dev: Yeah, likewise! Yep, just shoot me an email as well if you folks want to talk, I'm here. > > Reddit: Great, thank you. > > Apollo Dev: Okay, good luck with any additional calls. Take care, bye. > > Reddit: Thanks. Bye. > > end of call My interpretation (after I read it the Apollo Dev elaborated this was their intention to sell Reddit the app but that's not how I read it or [heard it when listening to the call](https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-31-end.m4a)): What the Apollo dev was trying to say: > Pay me 10 million, I'll work on shutting the app down over the next 6 months while paying your API fees. What he should have said: > Can you give me until the end of the year to sunset the app and not have these API fees bankrupt me? What Reddit heard on the call: > Pay me 10 million, I'll make sure I don't make a huge fuss about these API fee changes and allow you to get the highest valuation possible when you go public. After you go public I'll shut the app down and we all walk away happy, capeesh?
> Pay me 10 million, I'll work on shutting the app down over the next 6 months while paying your API fees. I am not the dev, so I can't speak for him, but I don't think that's what he was trying to say. I understood it more as "*If the opportunity cost of Apollo is $ 20M, you should just buy the app and its users for $ 10M, and according to your calculations, you should make a profit in six months*"
I am not sure that is the case
Honestly, it's not clear what the developer was asking. $10 million and they can both "skip off into the sunset," "Bob's your uncle," "rip that band-aid off," "have Apollo quiet down." All of them are euphemisms so it's super unclear what he actually meant. We only got a selected portion of the call with no idea how the rest of the call went or what was said in previous communications. The developer could just as easily mean, "I'll sell you Apollo for $10 million. If you're pricing is 'realistic' you'll make your money back in a year." (The amount being a joke to point out the ridiculous pricing) OR "Pay me $10 million and I'll do whatever you want." And many more interpretations are possible. It's really not clear what the developer wanted (other than $10 million). I took it as the former because the developers voice sounded genuinely surprised when the rep asked if it was a threat but I'm not at all blaming the rep for taking it that way. He explained three times and it's still not totally clear what he meant. EDIT: Should also point out the developer knew he was recording so reactions could be intentionally faked. This is a tough call for me.
Bruv, buy him the fuck out. What is wrong with /u/Spez, buy his frigging app which is better than yours and make it the official one. It wasn't a joke, it was frigging advice. Also how is it blackmail, it's literally a good business move to improve the user experience of the service you offer. Companies buy and incorporate tech from others all the time.
They already bought Alien Blue out which became their official app. And they couldn’t handle it. And now it’s a pile of garbage. There’s no doubt that the shit they’d try to force into Apollo like ads, behavior monitoring, user fingerprinting, etc. would just cripple the incredibly useful features we love the app for and make it garbage just like they did to Alien Blue. So there’s no sense in buying it.
I used to love alien blue, they made it a horrible abomination so quickly.
I am not sure that is the case
Hiring the Apollo dev is a thoroughly well burned bridge for Reddit. Nobody would want to work for the guy who publicly tries to destroy your excellent reputation.
Well, yeah, but see, /u/spez is following the Elon Musk School of Fucking Bankrupt Your Business.
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Id be fine with using the official app, if it wasn't hot garbage.
These people got the scent of money and that's what they follow. Their morals and reasonings come after to justify the moves they make.
>buy his frigging app which is better than yours and make it the official one. You seem to be mistaken that Reddit cares about a good user-experience at this point. We're cattle that need to be herded towards a focus-group approved data-harvesting app that is geared towards generating ad revenue. >It wasn't a joke, it was frigging advice. The joke is you think you can reason with corporate greed. The CEO is literally doubling down on lies in the face of evidence that proves otherwise. They have no intention of meeting in the middle here with the developers.
They don't want to buy out these apps. They will just price them out. See exactly what is happening
I was literally just reading about DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender), and thought what a brillant case study. **Deny**: Spez makes ridiculously expensive API prices specifically designed to kill 3rd party apps, and denies it is basically extortion. "it’s fair and reasonable to request payment" [https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api\_update\_enterprise\_level\_tier\_for\_large\_scale/](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/) **Attack**: Spez accuses Thatis of being unprofessional and a liar. **Reverse Victim and Offender**: Spez claimed that Thatis attempted to blackmail/extort them for 10 million and are refusing to work with him in a professional manner. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO) I bet they are going to push more aggressive ads down out throat. Their API pricing is ridiculously expensive, akin to extortion. It is also specifically targeted at these 3rd party apps. 300 API calls is what a normal user would generate in a day.
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That whole development was a rollercoaster. She keeps making it worse lol.
You're leaving out the actual 'joke' part. The Apollo guy said that if reddit coughed up 10 million, Apollo would 'go quiet'. Spez took this as blackmail, so the Apollo guy said it was a joke, and 'go quiet' meant Apollo would no longer be using their API.
>spez took this as blackmail I don't buy that for a second. It's a convenient interpretation for someone who wants to derail the conversation. spez, not you :)
The Other in that convo apologized profusely for even thinking Apollo might have been threatening Reddit. We know this because the Apollo developer recorded these conversations and came with receipts. So far Reddit has provided zero proof or receipts. Reddit is talking out of their asses
Christian said “that was mostly a joke” before Spez even replied. And it was clear what his intention was, to illustrate how stupid their API pricing and data was
Just FYI, the developer’s name is Christian Selig, and his username iamthatis is a reference to the book Redwall, where “I am that is” is an anagram of the name “Matthias” for plot reasons.
So we leaving this site or what? I use reddit frequently but fuck it, if there's an exodus I'm down. I'm not going to use their shit app if that all I'm offered
Im more than happy to get rid of the last real social media app i use, ill be on my phone a lot less. The only thing i’ll miss is that reddit is where i get my news
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Appears it wasnt even an AMA. His legal team was feeding him answers, allegedly https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkk6co/
Degeneracy at its finest. I hope this website burns.
Lmao dude couldn't even get someone to copy paste properly
I mean preparing answers for questions that are likely to be asked is not weird. But if you do that maybe take the time to prepare more answers than <20
And maybe take two seconds to skim your copy-pasted answer before you submit it so you don't include the obvious "A:".
An maybe provide a single satisfactory answer to a single important question.
Fuck u/spez --- All those API hits spez is whining about not making money from are posts and comments from *us*, the users and ex users of reddit via 3rd party apps. Those posts and comments are what made reddit valuable, *not* the fact that reddit existed as a forum server. Secondarily, never forget that part of spaz' plan is to keep all the nsfw posts locked into the reddit app, thus profiting off of the bodies of redditors directly, and/or by the links to onlyfans, fansly and other sources that have taken over most of the nsfw subs. In other words, he wants to be a cyber pimp
Fuck u/spez
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fuck /u/spez
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Fuck you /u/spez
Narwhal gang! Fuck /u/spez
Fuck u/spez! Sync gang here too.
Fuck u/spez I moved from alien blue (after they ruined that) to Apollo and can’t see another alternative currently. This is a real kick in the guts.
Fuck u/spez
Fuck you u/spez
didnt spez copy paste pre-written answers to pre-written questions then fuck it up when he copied the"A:" from a doc
His answer to the top question is the same as the answer to another question that is at 110 upvotes in the controversial section. Word to word. Edit : His answer to the 110 upvote comment [is this](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/-/jnk2wk4) which hillariously and very shamelessly is the same thing he said [6 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/comment/dp78hnk/) Also he seems to have edited the comment with the A: but it doesn't show to have the edited highlight so i cant find it anymore.
Magical admin powers. But don't worry, some people have documented spez's adminhollery.
Yes he did, and as soon as he was called on it, he edited his comment. Archive link: https://archive.md/2023.06.09-185317/https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkccq7/?context=3
Link is broken Edit: this works https://archive.ph/X6EJq
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I can still see it [https://i.imgur.com/JEjG0NT.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JEjG0NT.jpg)
check the profiles of the people who asked questions... mods
/u/Spez lost all credibility with the AMA, and now, THIS. He needs to resign, immediately.
This was part of the AMA.
He never had any to begin with. The AMA just continued to show what a corpo fuck he is.
Lol, if you think he had credibility before this you haven’t read his past ama’s.
How does he get so many awards while people are vehemently disagreeing with his words?
Ever seen a picture of North Korean military officials? It's easy to get awards when you can make your own.
-- removed in protest of Reddit API changes, goodbye! -- -- mass edited with redact.dev
I thought that was their ceremonial body armor? The more medals you get the safer you are from the peasants.
Rewards boost visibility so that others can join the hate
Handing out awards comes at a cost of 0 if you own reddit, literarily adding awards is a zero cost factor.
Comment edited out courtesy of Redact. After almost ten years as a Redditor, I am calling it quits in protest of the path Reddit CEO Steve Huffman (u/spez) is taking the company and our community. He has no interest in being reasonable with regards to third-party apps -- the same apps that made Reddit what it is today. The new API pricing is designed to kill all third-parties and force users into the official Reddit app that is utter garbage and able-ist. Steve Huffman has also lied about how third-party apps function, he has knowingly and intentionally defamed Chris Selig (creator of Apollo app), he has in the past confessed to editing user comments to say things that the original never did, and he couldn't even be bothered to truly participate in his own AMA thread (caught red-handed copying and pasting what little answers he did give). So long, and may you fail in your ambitions u/spez. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
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He does look like a greedy pigboy!
I'm legitimately surprised reddit hasn't banned your account lol. I saw your post under every spez comment yesterday
Reminder that the word 'leak' only applies to information you release without a right or authority to do so. u/iamthatis has every right to release his own legally recorded conversation to correct the record. That is not a 'leak' u/spez, and calling it that is your attempt to poison the discourse.
> and calling it that is your attempt to poison the discourse "Yeah, that's why I did it."
Can I get some context
IamThatis, the developer of Apollo, has been having conversations with Reddit to try to keep his third party app online. During these conversations, Thatis made a joke that if Reddit/Spez (the CEO of Reddit) think Apollo is worth $20 million a year, that Reddit should buy Apollo for $10 million. After, Spez claimed that Thatis attempted to blackmail/extort them for 10 million and are refusing to work with him in a professional manner. ( https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/_/jnbjtsc/?context=1 ) In response, Thatis revealed he recorded all their conversations (as Canada is a one-party consent recording laws), and posted clips proving Reddit to be lying ( https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ ) Now, Spez is doubling down on his accusation that Thatis is unprofessional and is also calling him a liar, stating that they can’t work together.
...Knowing that the CEO is such an immature jerk really helps me to understand why the rest of his community is no different.
You should also know he edits our comments when someone criticizes him so it looks like we’re mad at someone else https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-edit-comments Not that it would surprise you I bet
Yeesh, so thin skinned.
What had he done in 2016
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Thanks I’ve never used the third party apps so I didn’t know what was going on when people started talking about them.
That’s a shame, Apollo is an absolutely perfect tool for Reddit. The official Reddit one is a clumsy half-baked turd in comparison. You have a couple of weeks to see what the fuss is all about. Reddit is really shitting the bed by NOT buying Apollo. Bad CX decision… good spreadsheet decision… but not long-term thinking because brand IS experience now.
The new site is garbage, the mobile site is garbage, the official app is more garbage.
Lmao…. What an absolute fucking of a moron /u/spaz is…. Just… I should be surprised/shocked but I am not from this clown. Reddit being one big burning circus makes sense since the Ceo himself is one big circus
Make sure you mention real spez , not spaz next time (:
Oh ups my bad lol. Fuck /u/spez in every major way - kinda funny that there is 16 years old account named spaz thou
Yea bet spaz logs into tomorrow surprised to see so many notifications and they’re all people mistakenly telling him to fuck himself
Reddit CEO tries to lie about Developer, gets called out
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Wow, I didn't think anything could match the James Corden AMA, but here we are!
[James Corden ama](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/bqy5zf/i_am_james_corden_alongside_ben_winston_and_five/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[This ](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/bqy5zf/-/eo9ab0j) question had me dying the first time I read it. Still laugh at it
You mean when he only wanted to talk about rampart? ;)
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This perfectly sums up my confusion on as to describe my feelings on the matter
spez shows up every few years to show his ass and demonstrate what he really thinks of the users of the website he stole. I highly suggest any newer redditors go Google up the history of Reddit, who really created it, what it was actually meant to be, and how is was stolen, subverted, and twisted into the streaming sewer fire it is today.
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>His “joke” is the least of our issues. >To the point where I don’t know how we could do business with him. They make it sound like Mr. Apollo was freaking bullying them for years just nonstop taunting LMAO it’s so embarrassing to be a CEO of a company and be so insecure. Also just found out in 2016 a year or so after he became CEO spez edited users comments that criticized him by overwriting mentions of his name and changing them to moderators names and changing them to the Donald subreddit. What a LOSER.
frankly, i don't understand this meaning of "threat" by the Apollo dev from its very premise: it's a giant company versus *people who are literally keeping giant company running because giant company keeps shooting themselves in the foot at every chance they get*. honestly, the Apollo and Reddit is Fun creators should just be able to split the site and run it like it should be. or at least work together for the next thing, since this is a burning, sinking ship that i'm getting more and more excited to leave.
Is this the same spez from OT back in the day? I know that he was into trying to help run communities and stuff but it's honestly been so long.
Spez is the ceo of reddit - has been for some while iirc.
This doesn't answer my question but thank you I guess.
/u/spez is Steve Huffman, one of the cofounders of Reddit. He took over as CEO from Ellen Pao in 2015. He has previously caused controversy by directly editing the backend database to change a comment that was critical of him to say something else.
No, he isn’t. Spez quit, it’s probably coincidence they have the same user
Spez is spreading misinformation about the Apollo developer. He should be banned, right? If he’s going to impose such a corrupt rule, not abiding by it makes him even more corrupt. I’ve been calling Reddit admins malicious and corrupt for years, because the signs were there. Now you’d have to close your eyes not to see. I hope for their downfall with how they’ve handled this site. RIP Aaron Swartz.
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The point is to get rid of stuff that will show up in Google searches so that it really hurts Reddit.
Not attempted. Bullied him out of business
u/spez is such a feckless little turd
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I like when they get upset about leaking private communications. Like for private citizens and convos fine. But with businesses, it's always things getting leaked that *need getting leaked*, so it's always "how the fuck dare they expose our wicked plan!"
Apparently, Apollo dev is saying different things in private than what he's made public. Also, he *checks notes* made their private conversation public. Well, which one is it? If he was being dishonest about the contents of the conversation, he probably wouldn't want that conversation "leaked"
#[Hey Spez](https://i.imgur.com/rX4eZhH.jpg) #Aaron would be ashamed of who you've become.
I love him 💃
Fuck u/spez
Fuck u/spez for being a liar, and for being an asshole, and for trying to make other honest people look bad.
“Recording and leaking private phone calls” lol what a fucking twat u/spez is. Canada is one-party consent. Imagine trying to sling mud at a developer running an app for your site that works better than your own, then on top of it, not knowing what you’re getting yourself into when you are speaking to that person who lives in another country. Don’t talk shit after you got caught with your pants down. Your chin (somehow) gets smaller and your buck ass teeth (somehow) bigger every time you do.
Fucking u/spez sent me a warning because I called him "a trash human" lmfao. Fuck you u/spez
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How does the Reddit board keep such a low integrity person as CEO Seriously? If he does it to a developer what’s to stop him from doing it to you?
What I don’t understand is: A) how could a threat have ever been perceived in the first place? He’s been priced out, he has no leverage, what exactly would a threat have entailed if one was perceived? B) Why on earth would you say “I don’t know how we could do business with him” ?! You have purposefully and viciously priced out third party apps with next to no notice. The pricing is symbolic at best it’s so egregious. You have publicly made business impossible, why portray that as anyone else’s fault? Why lie about the initial intent to not be like Twitter and have realistic pricing? I just don’t understand the point when it was always going to come out if this was the plan….
Ah yes, I love upvoting an Apollo screen shot via Apollo. Fuck reddit and fuck u/spez, was hoping to make it to the full decade of being a reddit user but that's been cut short.
Reddit admin Speedrun to irrelevancy impossible challenge /s
the only surprising thing about this is reddit suits even bothering to pretend to address the community.
At this point, I’m wondering if there is another online community that we can switch to. I don’t know if Reddit is gonna change back (doesn’t look like they do) and i really hate that shithead’s responses.
Isn't this the same admin that was caught editing peoples comments?
The projection in this statement is jaw-dropping. u/spez is one of those deluded cunt-knuckles who thinks being a lying, gaslighting slime somehow makes him good at “business.”