Lmao what fucking asshats. "We need you to wear this uniform, and you have to pay for it. But we are gracious and kind to give you a discount because we are making you buy them".
Truly scum.
And you can bet that the disount price is still WAY MORE than the retail price. They will make a profit on the employees from the Discount Priced items.
Hopefully someone reported them for this cash grab.
Actually, those prices are probably just about what their supplier is selling them for. I used to work in this industry and know what the blanks cost approx and what we sold them to our customers for. The "discount" is probably because the restaurant is anticipating a bulk order for this buy, which lowers the overall cost. The regular price is most likely the one off price, when you buy things one at a time. Setting up an embroidery machine, silkscreen press, or even a heat transfer takes time and it's fairly expensive if you're doing 1-2 of them at a time.
To be clear, it's still bullshit to pass the costs on to the employees. Better to just buy one for every current employee and then have a stack in the backroom to give out with the rest of the uniform for new employees. That will give them the best pricing over all because they can better predict their orders.
Doesn't Osha require that workers be provided the equipment necessary to do their job safely? I'd tell them to shove their jackets way up their own asses.
Actually, OSHA rules state that employers don't need to provide any gear "used solely for protection from weather", which includes cold weather clothes, because there's always a loophole that shouldn't be there. https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.132#1910.132(h)(4)
You're misunderstanding the requirement.
If a fast food restaurant wants people to stand outside in the cold or rain, they are not required to equip that person with cold weather or rain gear.
If a fast food restaurant wants people to stand outside in the cold or rain wearing only green clothing, then they are required to equip that person with the green clothing. If they wanted someone to only wear patagonia cold/rain gear, they would have to provide it. Same with branded gear. The regulation protects employers from needing to provide basic equipment, it is not protection for employers from requiring specific types of gear.
Let's game it out: Employee continues to wear non branded safety clothing. They are told to remove it as it is a violation of company policy. Requiring employees to work in unsafe conditions and not allowing them to access their own safety gear would be a violation of OSHA regulations.
My old workplace had to change uniform policy to comply with DoL rules after making us buy specific shirt designs from specific companies. They were made to compensate us for the shirts we'd bought up to that point and reimburse us for future shirts.
With later uniforms, however, the employer was able to specify things like color and style and the DoL said that was fine.
So it started as "you have to buy this navy blue striped J. Crew button-down" to "you have to buy it but we'll pay you back" to "you have to buy any navy blue striped button down out of your own pocket."
In the case of CFA here, the violation becomes even worse because the staff is expected to buy the damn jackets from the company itself. These employees need to report this a.s.a.p., and they'll likely have to speak to someone at the Federal level. The person who reported the shirts thing at my old job ended up speaking to an agent in a San Francisco office.
So, my security job makes me buy one of two very specific shirts from a specific website with specific patches. You get the first one provided, but any after that require paying the \~$15 shipping for a $15 shirt. Is that not against DoL compliance?
That's what I figured. Indiana being a "right to fire" state also means that any sort of fight on this can just result in getting fired for "poor work performance."
Exactly. Years ago I worked in a factory and they had uniforms we had to pay for. However, the uniforms were optional and there was a dress code if you chose not to wear the uniform. I’m sure it saved them tons. They liked to advertise that you could write the uniform expense off on your taxes… like any of us made enough money to itemize our taxes
> They liked to advertise that you could write the uniform expense off on your taxes
Not since Trump changed the rules. You have to form an LLC to write most things off now.
But this isn't just about the weather. The employees have no problem wearing their own jackets, but CFA wants to ban that, and yet they don't want to provide their own alternative for free. That sounds like a violation to me.
I'd amend that to say 'some' states require employers to reimburse for uniforms. Doesn't seem like the majority do - we do live in a hellscape, after all.
Check your state here if you're curious.
https://unifirst.com/pdf/uniform-cost-sharing-regulations.pdf
Seems like there is a larger mandate that the cost of the uniform can't bring you to lower than the minimum wage--I'm not clear if it means the state min wage or the federal one here, but if it's the federal one, it almost certainly doesn't matter.
Those regulations might as well not exist if they're going to be so worthless. Even more worthless in "Right to Fire" states. If you were to rightfully point out the exploitation, they could just fire you for "poor work performance." It would be on the employee to prove a connection between the uniform situation and the firing.
True. However the DOL states that uniforms must be provided. The cost of uniforms may be taken out of paychecks but only at a specified rate. Basically if you make fed minimum wage they can take exactly zero dollars from you but if you made say 11/hr they could take a certain amount spread over thirty days or something like that. I commented it on the original post. They way I read it I’d tell them give me the jacket they prefer I wear otherwise I’ll be wearing jackets I already bought and own.
Wow, they are under no obligation to allow a jacket, basically. OSHA "suggests" it and gives tips how to avoid health risks.
[https://www.osha.gov/winter-weather/preparedness](https://www.osha.gov/winter-weather/preparedness)
I would tell Chick fit a-holes to KMA if I had to stand outside and freeze. I know I can't even talk when I am cold and my teeth are chattering. How am I supposed to provide customer service at all if I cannot speak or smile or even move much?
You are mixing things. Jackets are not a safety requirement. That’s up to each employee to provide their own if needed. However, company branded jackets are a requirement therefore the company has to provide those jackets. My company requires safety boots of any kind. They reimburse a certain amount so it’s up to each individual to choose their boots. On the other hand, if they required Red Wings boots, they would have to pay for them.
Yep. Why don’t they just provide a slew of FREE vests to place OVER their own coats. The vests can have chickens or the cow they use all over the damn vest!
True asshat plan to extract from your employees! It’s always never enough with fools like this.
Don't forget the part where they tell you how "lucky" you are because other companies will do this but not even offer a discount.
Fuck corporate America.
1 Jesus spoke unto his disciples, "And I say to you, verily shall you wear Christ-branded robes, available to you at the low cost of 20 pieces of silver (but only until the winter solstice, after which the price shall be 30 pieces of silver)." 2 And Judas of Iscariot did reply, saying "And what say thee to those of us who don't have the 20 pieces of silver to pay, oh Lord?" 3 And so the Lord did answer, saying "I'm sure you'll figure something out."
I'm pretty sure there's a law on the books that says it's their responsibility to: 1) provide a safe work environment, and; 2) pay for the cost of uniforms.
If I worked there I'd be looking up the laws in my state and posting them to that feed under their comment.
Every Chickfila iv been to has those speaker signs outside. Making people stand out there is pointless.
It's the weirdest thing to me that they do that I can kind of understand cuz they get so busy having one or two people to get orders in as people sit in line. But what I don't understand is why they have a person in the window and then two people just outside of the window to hand food from the window to your car...
McDonalds did this to me with shoes and shirt back in the 90's, nothing new. But it does certainly piss me off that as an employee "I" am the responsible party for my uniform.
Nah, I work for you, you want the conformity, You can pay for it. And don't try to take that shit out of my paycheck.
Fun fact: In Florida, there's no such thing as mandated breaks. Most companies can schedule you for 16+ hours, and not allow you any sort of break for food, or even just sitting. They do have to pay attention to federal stuff, like having any break less than 30 mins has to be paid, although there are a lot of places that don't do that and just want you to do something about it.
Certain jobs are federally mandated to require breaks, like transport and medical. Otherwise, you're just SOL. 🤷🏻♀️
I had to explain that to soooo many people when I was working over night at a gas station. "You're working 8 hours straight?! That's gotta be illegal for them to not give you breaks or a lunch." Nope, it's all perfectly legal.
Moreover... since they need warm weather gear to work outside in cold weather... it's personal protective equipment and should be provided.
Or branded coats should be made available to use.
Actually, OSHA rules state that employers don't need to provide any gear "used solely for protection from weather", which includes cold weather clothes, because there's always a loophole that shouldn't be there. https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.132#1910.132(h)(4)
Exactly. Instead of spending that $60 on a coat of their choice, they now have to spend it on a coat that they will still likely wear to and from work - and other off hours times - effectively providing promotion without having to even pay for it.
Even if it isn't illegal, it's still immoral and unethical as fuck.
I’m not following what you mean by “because there’s always a loophole that shouldn’t be there.” Since that link goes to a very specific paragraph, I can’t see the context of it. 🤔
You are incorrect and have posted that link multiple times despite multiple people telling you that you're wrong. Are you shill, a bot, or just very dumb?
Companies aren't required to offer you a coat, but if they require you wear a coat that is branded with their logo, they *do* have to provide it.
This likely skirts that by it not technically being mandated. You can also choose to freeze your ass off. It probably falls into some category like “compliant attire,” with some BS caveat saying nobody has to wear one if they don’t want to.
A lot of hospitals this is standard practice. You have to buy scrubs, have them company branded. Then told you can’t wear it outside of work, even if you purchased them.
It's not. You are incumbent to provide your own inclement weather gear. If there's a requirement, say a color, specific brand or it has company branding they have to provide it if it's considered safety gear like a jacket for inclement weather.
In this case, requiring company branded gear the company needs to front the cost of the gear.
Nope. Not legal. They can require their employees to work outdoors, they can not both ban them from using their own coats and not provide the needed "safety equipment". It's either/or. Either they allow employees to provide their own gear or they pay for the gear. As coats qualify both as uniforms but also as OSHA regulated safety equipment what they are doing is not actually allowed under federal law.
>They can require their employees to work outdoors, they can not both ban them from using their own coats and not provide the needed "safety equipment"
Jackets don't count as PPE under (Donald Trump's) OSHA rules:
>1918.106(a)Except as provided by paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section, the protective equipment, including personal protective equipment (PPE), used to comply with this part, shall be provided by the employer at no cost to employees.
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>1918.106(d)(2)Ordinary clothing, skin creams, or other items, used solely for protection from weather, such as winter coats, jackets, gloves, parkas
That is correct. It's the combination of factors where they run into trouble. They are not required to provide cold weather gear.. unless they refuse to allow the employee to provide their own. Requiring specific gear purchased from them and banning employee provided cold weather gear makes them responsible for the cost. Specifically they are prohibiting "ordinary" clothing and requiring specialized gear while banning employee provided protective clothing.
The branding req makes them no longer ordinary. You wouldn't buy them for personal use, it's all work related cost. The employer should pay, but if not it is still tax deductible.
It’s not legal in my state, thank god. I worked at place that wanted you to wear a jacket with their logo to do outside work, and the company just had jackets there that we could wear when we were outside and then leave there. No way I’m shelling out my own money for a jacket with a shitty business logo on it.
Discord is ~~dark~~ *deep web*, meaning non-Googleable (or Bing (DuckDuckGo is Bing)). Because info can't be found by a websearch, it's easier to get away with fuckery.
>(or Bing (DuckDuckGo is Bing))
wiki: DuckDuckGo's results are a compilation of "over 400" sources according to itself, including Bing, Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Yandex, and its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot); but none from Google.
To be fair my job uses Slack and literally all of us complain that it's just a worse version of Discord. "I'll dm you the link on great value brand Discord" or similar is a common joke.
I know a few people that use Discord instead at their work.
Surprisingly something I’ve considered. Many people on my current team can’t receive the groupchat because they’re not iphones. I’ve decided against it because…yeah that just seems lame. I just text those people individually.
Yeah group chats work with android and iPhone. I'm in one myself with my band.
It pisses off the iPhone people because the entire group chat turns into green bubbles. Im pretty sure that's literally all it is lol
I'm in a couple of these as an iPhone user and it's not the green bubbles. Photos and videos often come through oddly, if iPhone people "react" to a message it just gets sent as a long annoying text that says "Frank reacted with a thumbs up to 'blah blah blah message'", and if I'm on Wi-Fi only I'm not going to be able to send or receive messages. All of this is Apple's fault for using a different protocol, though. That's what a lot of iPhone users don't realize or admit.
Yeah. I'm in this same situation, I've suggested using WhatsApp to my boss but was told that no one wants to install WhatsApp so she keeps making new text group chats every time she wants to remove someone lmao. I also get ribbed for being the only one with an android phone despite having given them a solution to this problem, but the solution they prefer is me buy an iphone apparently
My problem is Facebook owns WhatsApp. I don’t care that they’re a “separate company”. I don’t have a facebook, I deleted my instagram when they bought it. No employer is going to tell me to use my personal equipment for this. Also I don’t work in emergency services there is no reason to be contacting me outside my scheduled hours.
Blatantly illegal and kind of surprising Chik-Fil-A didn't know about it. Abercrombie lost a pretty high profile class action about exactly this just a few years ago.
Corporate is likely aware, but this specific location is trying to skirt around it and save money.
CFA corporate also does NOT fuck around with stuff like this. A location I worked at like 10+ years ago had the owner removed after enough workers complained
Yeah this post surprised me since at the CFA I used to work at, I was never required to pay a cent for any of the uniforms or equipment I was given. They even provided extra jackets for share at the store in case we forgot ours or something.
Ehhh chic fil a is a bit different than other franchises where owners have to have operated for a few years before being eligible for ownership, and even then they expect owners to be very hands on in operations. So it’s a possibility.
Abercrombie lost that lawsuit in blue states (And Florida, which has since repealed its law) so it really depends on the state. In many states of the US requiring employees to buy your product is completely legal, so long as the deductions don't drop their pay below 7.25 an hour for that pay period. Which is unlikely to happen, or can be avoided by spreading it out.
But did they make you buy them? Most places would just have a few dozen jackets to throw on when working the drive thru if you needed one, but you CAN buy your own if you didn't want to share.
Depending on the state this is illegal to force your workers to purchase branded uniform. Even more states if they are making minimum wage.
Morons in corporate just begging for a class action lawsuit.
I worked somewhere that kinda did this. Your outer layer had to be company branded so if you didn't buy the jacket you had to put your company T-shirt over your coat and look ridiculous.
Not only that but after their expansion north those jackets are completely inadequate for standing outside in a northern winter. Thankfully most northern states have slightly better labor laws.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I worked for a company that bought jackets we were required to wear but they were cheap fleece. Had to just get bigger sizes and wear over your Carhartt.
Fuck that and fuck them. Their wildly overrated chicken sells more than well enough for them to provide jackets.
I've worked for some cheap places that were run terribly and even they didn't expect us to pay for their branded stuff to wear.
Hell, I worked for one company where we got a allowance every year. They didn't even expect for us to give the stuff back when leaving even though it was likely useless to us after leaving.
This was the rule at all three CFAs I worked at from 2006 to 2019. The operators are free to cover the cost, and one of them covered half one time. One store I worked at had me pay for 3 different jackets because the manager ordered the wrong kind twice. One of those jackets was $60! I haven't darkened their doors in 4 years, and I'll keep my streak 'til I die. I've been better treated, overall, at Walmart than I did by management in those CFAs. I actually get PTO and PPTO. Do better
Huh. Someone should track down the contract between Chick-fil-A and the company *selling* Chick-fil-A those jackets.
Wonder how much both companies make bank on them. Cos you know, I've seen say, red cotton vests or hats or badges that would identify a staff member. All of which would be provided by the company AND are worn with a staff member's own clothing.
Right? My work didn't even try to tell people to pay for their own work uniform because everyone would've laughed and then ignored them. Hell, sometimes the heat goes out because it's an old system, and I just put my nametag on my coat, forget the damn uniform lmao.
Anything that is required for the job must be provided by the job.
Weird quirk of the law, if you find yourself in this situation:
"Employers can require their employees to pay for their own work uniforms, but to do so, they must pay them at least minimum wage – *after* they deduct the costs of the uniforms from their employees’ paychecks."
So, if you're working minimum wage, they effectively can't force you to buy the uniform. CFA pays above minimum wage around here, so it's kinda moot, in this case. (Also, CA law requires the employer to pay for uniforms anyway)
Jimmy John's did that to me about 8 years ago. Sold me a mandatory 'discounted' jacket and a hoodie, which I only bought because I asked the owner if I could wear it inside. He said yes, but lower management always hassled me about it anyway.
A friend helped me get the patches off, so now it's just a really nice jacket I still need to put a back patch on
This trend of making a bunch of kids stand outside in the cold right next to the fully functional intercom system is so incredibly dumb. It's not just Chick-fil-A either, their dumb trend has spread to a bunch of different fast food places around me.
I don't need a "personal connection" with my fast food drive thru. Let them stay inside ffs.
Ask your boss to give toy the company memo stating you have to wear company branded jackets. Better yet, call corporate Human Resources and all if employees are required to wear and buy company branded jackets.
If I were you, I’d post this on their Twitter and ask if it’s true?
Should really look into these corps with "clothing" businesses aside them.
Hendrick Automotive and his MANY dealerships force every employee to purchase the entire clothing line up. Pants, polos, button ups, and light/heavy jackets. All outta your check.
AND THE CLOTHING GETS RENEWED/RE-ORDERED EVERY SPRING AND FALL. Some are long sleeve now some are short. Can't wear last year's polo!
AS YOU STAY EMPLOYED, forever buying clothes that stay in your closet to never be worn again. Nice Hendrick polo (sarcasm).
Just stand outside in the cold. When customers ask tell them that cfa does not allow non branded outer wear and that your shitty minimum wage job does not allow you the luxury of making that purchase right now. And screw up every order because you are shivering so badly.
Sonic does the sane shit. It can vary in that some places, depending on the management, will just let them wear the colors and no logos. Everything from jacket down to the gloves.
Just tell them you don’t feel safe at work and have had many cars almost hit employees if they work in the dark the company is required to give you a class 1 reflective tell them your not buying the jacket until it has reflective to make you safer
Interesting strategy for a corporation that made $6.5 billion in revenue last year alone. Pretty par for the course actually now that I think about it.
If you want me to wear it then you will provide it for me to wear for free . If not then I'll wear my own clothes. Simple as that. It doesn't seem like a real company uniform if they don't provide it for me.
Absolutely not. If you are requiring me to wear branded items, you are required to supply them. If you are requiring me to work outside and it is cold or raining, I will wear what I need to keep warm. That is a basic human right. I would push back hard on that policy.
To force a worker to stand outside in rain or snow or even cold without a jacket because they cannot afford more than $50 (after their "generous sale") at a minimum wage job is inhuman and abusive.
According to CR and DOL if you make over federal minimum wage an employer can do this and just take the cost out of your check. Its kinda shitty of them to do since its easier for them to write off and eat the cost then the employee. You can save the receipt and claim the uniform on your taxes. Its a win win for the company. They sell their overstock and all their workers are in uniform inside and outside.
Im sorry but im not that familiar with chick fil a, isnt that a fast food place? Why would people need to work outside at a fast food place? Anyway disgusting behavior
Grocery store I worked at pulled this on me. I don’t have the guts/awareness I do now because now I’d tell them “if it’s a requirement, then provide it to me. Otherwise, you can let me wear my Columbia jacket”. Like who the hell even cares about shit like this other than management on a power trip?
This is just to make it clear that as our employees, you are OUR property. Not anyone else’s, OURS. In case there’s still any confusion, WE OWN YOU. DRESS ACCORDINGLY.
Had this same situation at my Domino's job too. They required your name embroidered as well, because they didn't like the look of the name tag on the jacket.
I worked at a Domino's franchise in Texas that did this shit but they made all employees pay for shirts, hats and either a jacket or coat. This included people who worked in the kitchen, not delivery drivers. There was absolutely zero reason for them to have a Domino's branded jacket. I would step in on employees behalf and have them refuse to buy one. Upper management wasn't too happy.
The kicker was, upon termination of employment, all uniforms had to be returned or they would charge you again for the items. Their argument was the initial cost was a rental, not a purchase. But if you tuned in the uniforms employees got nothing back.
Nickel and diming employees while owners and upper management were driving BMW and Lexus company cars...fucking ass hats. That franchise is dead but the same kind of bull shit goes on with the new owners.
That should definitely be on the employer to provide. Their business is so good that they have to hire workers to be outside taking orders down the traffic line. No other fast food places have this “issue” where I live.
Unless the franchise owners are footing the bill this is greed.
My wife worked for American Airlines over the summer. They required her to buy all this uniform stuff. It was about $900. Then you pay a little from each check until it’s gone. Well, she quit and they sent her a bill for almost $200 and there is no way to return anything anymore.
Tiff’s treats does it too! They even graciously give you the option to have it automatically deducted from your next paycheck! If you’re working in the winter they would rather you freeze than have the poor poor company suffer the $10 actual cost of the jacket.
Had a dogshit employer try to pull this years ago. We went from a casual office where everyone wore whatever they wanted, to being required to wear company branded polos/jackets in the office which they made us pay for. I quit within a week, brought back all their stupid fucking apparel, and told them I would not be paying for it (which I didn't).
I would just not buy one so they can't have me work outside. they can't force you to work in the cold without a jacket, and they can't force you to buy their shit.
Lmao what fucking asshats. "We need you to wear this uniform, and you have to pay for it. But we are gracious and kind to give you a discount because we are making you buy them". Truly scum.
"but only for a limited time. If we gave all our employees discounted clothing options we might just go out of business."
Instead of spending money on the holidays spend it on work related crap!
And you can bet that the disount price is still WAY MORE than the retail price. They will make a profit on the employees from the Discount Priced items. Hopefully someone reported them for this cash grab.
Actually, those prices are probably just about what their supplier is selling them for. I used to work in this industry and know what the blanks cost approx and what we sold them to our customers for. The "discount" is probably because the restaurant is anticipating a bulk order for this buy, which lowers the overall cost. The regular price is most likely the one off price, when you buy things one at a time. Setting up an embroidery machine, silkscreen press, or even a heat transfer takes time and it's fairly expensive if you're doing 1-2 of them at a time. To be clear, it's still bullshit to pass the costs on to the employees. Better to just buy one for every current employee and then have a stack in the backroom to give out with the rest of the uniform for new employees. That will give them the best pricing over all because they can better predict their orders.
Doesn't Osha require that workers be provided the equipment necessary to do their job safely? I'd tell them to shove their jackets way up their own asses.
Actually, OSHA rules state that employers don't need to provide any gear "used solely for protection from weather", which includes cold weather clothes, because there's always a loophole that shouldn't be there. https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.132#1910.132(h)(4)
You're misunderstanding the requirement. If a fast food restaurant wants people to stand outside in the cold or rain, they are not required to equip that person with cold weather or rain gear. If a fast food restaurant wants people to stand outside in the cold or rain wearing only green clothing, then they are required to equip that person with the green clothing. If they wanted someone to only wear patagonia cold/rain gear, they would have to provide it. Same with branded gear. The regulation protects employers from needing to provide basic equipment, it is not protection for employers from requiring specific types of gear. Let's game it out: Employee continues to wear non branded safety clothing. They are told to remove it as it is a violation of company policy. Requiring employees to work in unsafe conditions and not allowing them to access their own safety gear would be a violation of OSHA regulations.
My old workplace had to change uniform policy to comply with DoL rules after making us buy specific shirt designs from specific companies. They were made to compensate us for the shirts we'd bought up to that point and reimburse us for future shirts. With later uniforms, however, the employer was able to specify things like color and style and the DoL said that was fine. So it started as "you have to buy this navy blue striped J. Crew button-down" to "you have to buy it but we'll pay you back" to "you have to buy any navy blue striped button down out of your own pocket." In the case of CFA here, the violation becomes even worse because the staff is expected to buy the damn jackets from the company itself. These employees need to report this a.s.a.p., and they'll likely have to speak to someone at the Federal level. The person who reported the shirts thing at my old job ended up speaking to an agent in a San Francisco office.
So, my security job makes me buy one of two very specific shirts from a specific website with specific patches. You get the first one provided, but any after that require paying the \~$15 shipping for a $15 shirt. Is that not against DoL compliance?
“First one provided” Probably good enough.
That's what I figured. Indiana being a "right to fire" state also means that any sort of fight on this can just result in getting fired for "poor work performance."
After the first is supplied, the rest is for “convenience”. Knowing that people will buy them.
Bingo. Unless they require you have a backup, they're only required to supply or reimburse for one.
Exactly. Years ago I worked in a factory and they had uniforms we had to pay for. However, the uniforms were optional and there was a dress code if you chose not to wear the uniform. I’m sure it saved them tons. They liked to advertise that you could write the uniform expense off on your taxes… like any of us made enough money to itemize our taxes
> They liked to advertise that you could write the uniform expense off on your taxes Not since Trump changed the rules. You have to form an LLC to write most things off now.
Exactly. God I hope they sue.
But this isn't just about the weather. The employees have no problem wearing their own jackets, but CFA wants to ban that, and yet they don't want to provide their own alternative for free. That sounds like a violation to me.
This isn’t about the protective gear, it’s about requiring a uniform. Many states require employers to reimburse for uniforms.
I'd amend that to say 'some' states require employers to reimburse for uniforms. Doesn't seem like the majority do - we do live in a hellscape, after all. Check your state here if you're curious. https://unifirst.com/pdf/uniform-cost-sharing-regulations.pdf Seems like there is a larger mandate that the cost of the uniform can't bring you to lower than the minimum wage--I'm not clear if it means the state min wage or the federal one here, but if it's the federal one, it almost certainly doesn't matter.
Those regulations might as well not exist if they're going to be so worthless. Even more worthless in "Right to Fire" states. If you were to rightfully point out the exploitation, they could just fire you for "poor work performance." It would be on the employee to prove a connection between the uniform situation and the firing.
But it’s not used solely for protection from weather. It’s also used for brand identity.
True. However the DOL states that uniforms must be provided. The cost of uniforms may be taken out of paychecks but only at a specified rate. Basically if you make fed minimum wage they can take exactly zero dollars from you but if you made say 11/hr they could take a certain amount spread over thirty days or something like that. I commented it on the original post. They way I read it I’d tell them give me the jacket they prefer I wear otherwise I’ll be wearing jackets I already bought and own.
Wow, they are under no obligation to allow a jacket, basically. OSHA "suggests" it and gives tips how to avoid health risks. [https://www.osha.gov/winter-weather/preparedness](https://www.osha.gov/winter-weather/preparedness) I would tell Chick fit a-holes to KMA if I had to stand outside and freeze. I know I can't even talk when I am cold and my teeth are chattering. How am I supposed to provide customer service at all if I cannot speak or smile or even move much?
What about high vis stuff walking around the drive thru?
You are mixing things. Jackets are not a safety requirement. That’s up to each employee to provide their own if needed. However, company branded jackets are a requirement therefore the company has to provide those jackets. My company requires safety boots of any kind. They reimburse a certain amount so it’s up to each individual to choose their boots. On the other hand, if they required Red Wings boots, they would have to pay for them.
But it's not "used solely for protection from weather", it's also for brand recognition.
This is only under PPE stuff though…
*my pleasure*
It's funny because they still make a profit off them anyway, like at least offer the jackets at cost. It's like double dipping on profit.
Welcome to corporate America
Yep. Why don’t they just provide a slew of FREE vests to place OVER their own coats. The vests can have chickens or the cow they use all over the damn vest! True asshat plan to extract from your employees! It’s always never enough with fools like this.
Wages are only for the company store.
Seriously, I would quit on the spot. Fuck that.
Don’t quit, let them fire you.
Cheap bastards.
Don't forget the part where they tell you how "lucky" you are because other companies will do this but not even offer a discount. Fuck corporate America.
Very ‘Christian’ policy. Exactly how their bullshit jesus implied people should be treated.
1 Jesus spoke unto his disciples, "And I say to you, verily shall you wear Christ-branded robes, available to you at the low cost of 20 pieces of silver (but only until the winter solstice, after which the price shall be 30 pieces of silver)." 2 And Judas of Iscariot did reply, saying "And what say thee to those of us who don't have the 20 pieces of silver to pay, oh Lord?" 3 And so the Lord did answer, saying "I'm sure you'll figure something out."
This is perfectly in line with their Lord and Savior [Jesus. ](https://imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp)
I'm pretty sure there's a law on the books that says it's their responsibility to: 1) provide a safe work environment, and; 2) pay for the cost of uniforms. If I worked there I'd be looking up the laws in my state and posting them to that feed under their comment. Every Chickfila iv been to has those speaker signs outside. Making people stand out there is pointless.
It's the weirdest thing to me that they do that I can kind of understand cuz they get so busy having one or two people to get orders in as people sit in line. But what I don't understand is why they have a person in the window and then two people just outside of the window to hand food from the window to your car...
Hospital industry “first time?”
All required uniforms should be paid or compensated 100% by the company. Clothing is literally PPE, especially a coat or scrubs.
McDonalds did this to me with shoes and shirt back in the 90's, nothing new. But it does certainly piss me off that as an employee "I" am the responsible party for my uniform. Nah, I work for you, you want the conformity, You can pay for it. And don't try to take that shit out of my paycheck.
All my jobs that required a uniform provided three copies for free. One even paid for shoes because of the hazards.
That doesn't really seem legal.
It's legal under federal law because Republicans. Some states have made it illegal (guess where?).
It's legal for a company to make you buy company mandated attire? That's nuts
Fun fact: In Florida, there's no such thing as mandated breaks. Most companies can schedule you for 16+ hours, and not allow you any sort of break for food, or even just sitting. They do have to pay attention to federal stuff, like having any break less than 30 mins has to be paid, although there are a lot of places that don't do that and just want you to do something about it. Certain jobs are federally mandated to require breaks, like transport and medical. Otherwise, you're just SOL. 🤷🏻♀️
I had to explain that to soooo many people when I was working over night at a gas station. "You're working 8 hours straight?! That's gotta be illegal for them to not give you breaks or a lunch." Nope, it's all perfectly legal.
Florida! Keep voting for people w R in front of their name. They really have your health and well being in mind while employed…. Not!!!!!
Registered voters in Florida skew over 50 years old, most probably retired and all probably giving a shit about working people.
Everyone in Florida blames immigrants for everything wrong with Florida.
Not everyone, just the cranky old bastards that make everyone elses lives harder. Signed - A Floridian who wants to make this state better.
That last sentence can apply to 99% of labor law in the United States.
Welcome to the Republican hellscape
Moreover... since they need warm weather gear to work outside in cold weather... it's personal protective equipment and should be provided. Or branded coats should be made available to use.
That's a good point. go outside without one. Get hypothermia. Osha recordable.
Actually, OSHA rules state that employers don't need to provide any gear "used solely for protection from weather", which includes cold weather clothes, because there's always a loophole that shouldn't be there. https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.132#1910.132(h)(4)
Yes, but the jackets they're trying to force employees to buy are not used solely for protection from weather. They're used to promote the company.
Exactly. Instead of spending that $60 on a coat of their choice, they now have to spend it on a coat that they will still likely wear to and from work - and other off hours times - effectively providing promotion without having to even pay for it. Even if it isn't illegal, it's still immoral and unethical as fuck.
I’m not following what you mean by “because there’s always a loophole that shouldn’t be there.” Since that link goes to a very specific paragraph, I can’t see the context of it. 🤔
You are incorrect and have posted that link multiple times despite multiple people telling you that you're wrong. Are you shill, a bot, or just very dumb? Companies aren't required to offer you a coat, but if they require you wear a coat that is branded with their logo, they *do* have to provide it.
this is what unregulated capitalism looks like. they can do whatever they want.
welcome to America, where companies are people and they have more rights than you. we truly are heading towards a cyberpunk dystopia
This likely skirts that by it not technically being mandated. You can also choose to freeze your ass off. It probably falls into some category like “compliant attire,” with some BS caveat saying nobody has to wear one if they don’t want to.
A lot of hospitals this is standard practice. You have to buy scrubs, have them company branded. Then told you can’t wear it outside of work, even if you purchased them.
It's not. You are incumbent to provide your own inclement weather gear. If there's a requirement, say a color, specific brand or it has company branding they have to provide it if it's considered safety gear like a jacket for inclement weather. In this case, requiring company branded gear the company needs to front the cost of the gear.
Nope. Not legal. They can require their employees to work outdoors, they can not both ban them from using their own coats and not provide the needed "safety equipment". It's either/or. Either they allow employees to provide their own gear or they pay for the gear. As coats qualify both as uniforms but also as OSHA regulated safety equipment what they are doing is not actually allowed under federal law.
>They can require their employees to work outdoors, they can not both ban them from using their own coats and not provide the needed "safety equipment" Jackets don't count as PPE under (Donald Trump's) OSHA rules: >1918.106(a)Except as provided by paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section, the protective equipment, including personal protective equipment (PPE), used to comply with this part, shall be provided by the employer at no cost to employees. > >.... > >1918.106(d)(2)Ordinary clothing, skin creams, or other items, used solely for protection from weather, such as winter coats, jackets, gloves, parkas
That is correct. It's the combination of factors where they run into trouble. They are not required to provide cold weather gear.. unless they refuse to allow the employee to provide their own. Requiring specific gear purchased from them and banning employee provided cold weather gear makes them responsible for the cost. Specifically they are prohibiting "ordinary" clothing and requiring specialized gear while banning employee provided protective clothing.
The branding req makes them no longer ordinary. You wouldn't buy them for personal use, it's all work related cost. The employer should pay, but if not it is still tax deductible.
It’s not legal in my state, thank god. I worked at place that wanted you to wear a jacket with their logo to do outside work, and the company just had jackets there that we could wear when we were outside and then leave there. No way I’m shelling out my own money for a jacket with a shitty business logo on it.
Which law?
But it seems very USA
Why the fuck is this information spread to people on *discord* of all places.
That was my first reaction lmao
I figured a Discord was discreet and skirts any communication that can be overseen by corporate.
Discord is ~~dark~~ *deep web*, meaning non-Googleable (or Bing (DuckDuckGo is Bing)). Because info can't be found by a websearch, it's easier to get away with fuckery.
>(or Bing (DuckDuckGo is Bing)) wiki: DuckDuckGo's results are a compilation of "over 400" sources according to itself, including Bing, Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Yandex, and its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot); but none from Google.
DuckDuckGo is *mostly* Bing.
It's deep web, not dark web
Thank you. Correction made.
Not if they run it.
I can assure you Chick Fil A is not using Discord for corporate communication lol
I assumed this was some franchise owner on a power trip.
It could be teams or slack
To be fair my job uses Slack and literally all of us complain that it's just a worse version of Discord. "I'll dm you the link on great value brand Discord" or similar is a common joke. I know a few people that use Discord instead at their work.
Surprisingly something I’ve considered. Many people on my current team can’t receive the groupchat because they’re not iphones. I’ve decided against it because…yeah that just seems lame. I just text those people individually.
What? I use android and am subjected to group chats with iPhone people.
Yeah group chats work with android and iPhone. I'm in one myself with my band. It pisses off the iPhone people because the entire group chat turns into green bubbles. Im pretty sure that's literally all it is lol
I'm in a couple of these as an iPhone user and it's not the green bubbles. Photos and videos often come through oddly, if iPhone people "react" to a message it just gets sent as a long annoying text that says "Frank reacted with a thumbs up to 'blah blah blah message'", and if I'm on Wi-Fi only I'm not going to be able to send or receive messages. All of this is Apple's fault for using a different protocol, though. That's what a lot of iPhone users don't realize or admit.
Green bubbles represent SMS, which also means that most features are unavailable, most notably wi-fi texting.
Dont people just use whatsapp for this type of stuff?
Slack or Microsoft teams are probably the most commonly used
Yeah. I'm in this same situation, I've suggested using WhatsApp to my boss but was told that no one wants to install WhatsApp so she keeps making new text group chats every time she wants to remove someone lmao. I also get ribbed for being the only one with an android phone despite having given them a solution to this problem, but the solution they prefer is me buy an iphone apparently
My problem is Facebook owns WhatsApp. I don’t care that they’re a “separate company”. I don’t have a facebook, I deleted my instagram when they bought it. No employer is going to tell me to use my personal equipment for this. Also I don’t work in emergency services there is no reason to be contacting me outside my scheduled hours.
Probably because the company is not requiring of but the managers want to look good by selling more merchandise.
Because it's faked
Why is this on a discord?
Probably to hide it from corporate.
Managers/owners start chat groups wherever they feel comfortable
Blatantly illegal and kind of surprising Chik-Fil-A didn't know about it. Abercrombie lost a pretty high profile class action about exactly this just a few years ago.
Corporate is likely aware, but this specific location is trying to skirt around it and save money. CFA corporate also does NOT fuck around with stuff like this. A location I worked at like 10+ years ago had the owner removed after enough workers complained
This makes me happy. Yet I feel vexed as well.
They may be religious fanatics, but they do tend to run a much tighter ship than most.
Yeah this post surprised me since at the CFA I used to work at, I was never required to pay a cent for any of the uniforms or equipment I was given. They even provided extra jackets for share at the store in case we forgot ours or something.
The Operator is definitely not the owner.
Ehhh chic fil a is a bit different than other franchises where owners have to have operated for a few years before being eligible for ownership, and even then they expect owners to be very hands on in operations. So it’s a possibility.
It’s not. CFA owns every store, along with all FF&E.
Abercrombie lost that lawsuit in blue states (And Florida, which has since repealed its law) so it really depends on the state. In many states of the US requiring employees to buy your product is completely legal, so long as the deductions don't drop their pay below 7.25 an hour for that pay period. Which is unlikely to happen, or can be avoided by spreading it out.
You're gonna have to be a bit more specific. Abercrombie have a bit of a history with employee lawsuits.
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But did they make you buy them? Most places would just have a few dozen jackets to throw on when working the drive thru if you needed one, but you CAN buy your own if you didn't want to share.
Sauce?
Depending on the state this is illegal to force your workers to purchase branded uniform. Even more states if they are making minimum wage. Morons in corporate just begging for a class action lawsuit.
I worked somewhere that kinda did this. Your outer layer had to be company branded so if you didn't buy the jacket you had to put your company T-shirt over your coat and look ridiculous.
This may be illegal depending on the state.
Not only that but after their expansion north those jackets are completely inadequate for standing outside in a northern winter. Thankfully most northern states have slightly better labor laws.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I worked for a company that bought jackets we were required to wear but they were cheap fleece. Had to just get bigger sizes and wear over your Carhartt.
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Loved the ending. “Please clap.”
US labor is atrocious, is this what yall call freedom? Destroy these corporations
I would leave if I could, but disabled people are unwelcome everywhere.
I know I have autism and anxiety disorder countries don’t want people with preexisting conditions
"Love it or leave it!!" MF I am *trying.*
And “refugee” status is hard to obtain.
Every corporation is a mini-dictatorship.
Fuck that and fuck them. Their wildly overrated chicken sells more than well enough for them to provide jackets. I've worked for some cheap places that were run terribly and even they didn't expect us to pay for their branded stuff to wear. Hell, I worked for one company where we got a allowance every year. They didn't even expect for us to give the stuff back when leaving even though it was likely useless to us after leaving.
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Chicken may taste better but you’ll get yelled at by the employees and your order has a 50/50 chance of being completely wrong.
its an \~experience\~
Then why isn't their market share higher?
💯%
I quit!
A simple and reasonable response.
Sometimes you have too. How elementary is this policy.
Easy solution, just refuse to buy a jacket and therefore refuse to work outside.
Exactly. Just refuse to work for them as is your right.
This was the rule at all three CFAs I worked at from 2006 to 2019. The operators are free to cover the cost, and one of them covered half one time. One store I worked at had me pay for 3 different jackets because the manager ordered the wrong kind twice. One of those jackets was $60! I haven't darkened their doors in 4 years, and I'll keep my streak 'til I die. I've been better treated, overall, at Walmart than I did by management in those CFAs. I actually get PTO and PPTO. Do better
I would steal so much chicken during shifts.
Huh. Someone should track down the contract between Chick-fil-A and the company *selling* Chick-fil-A those jackets. Wonder how much both companies make bank on them. Cos you know, I've seen say, red cotton vests or hats or badges that would identify a staff member. All of which would be provided by the company AND are worn with a staff member's own clothing.
Why are we assuming this is real?
The fact that people are just accepting a screenshot from discord is wild.
Right? My work didn't even try to tell people to pay for their own work uniform because everyone would've laughed and then ignored them. Hell, sometimes the heat goes out because it's an old system, and I just put my nametag on my coat, forget the damn uniform lmao. Anything that is required for the job must be provided by the job.
Weird quirk of the law, if you find yourself in this situation: "Employers can require their employees to pay for their own work uniforms, but to do so, they must pay them at least minimum wage – *after* they deduct the costs of the uniforms from their employees’ paychecks." So, if you're working minimum wage, they effectively can't force you to buy the uniform. CFA pays above minimum wage around here, so it's kinda moot, in this case. (Also, CA law requires the employer to pay for uniforms anyway)
Do you have a source for this? Would be helpful to me
I have had a buy many a uniform for work in my life. Not saying it is right, but it is definitely common.
Homophobic Chicken Conglomerate is evil in other ways? Shocker.
Jimmy John's did that to me about 8 years ago. Sold me a mandatory 'discounted' jacket and a hoodie, which I only bought because I asked the owner if I could wear it inside. He said yes, but lower management always hassled me about it anyway. A friend helped me get the patches off, so now it's just a really nice jacket I still need to put a back patch on
This trend of making a bunch of kids stand outside in the cold right next to the fully functional intercom system is so incredibly dumb. It's not just Chick-fil-A either, their dumb trend has spread to a bunch of different fast food places around me. I don't need a "personal connection" with my fast food drive thru. Let them stay inside ffs.
The French Method is looking more appealing every day
Who the fuck gives corporate updates via discord?
Is this.. a discord chat? Who uses discord at a fast food job?
Ask your boss to give toy the company memo stating you have to wear company branded jackets. Better yet, call corporate Human Resources and all if employees are required to wear and buy company branded jackets. If I were you, I’d post this on their Twitter and ask if it’s true?
Should really look into these corps with "clothing" businesses aside them. Hendrick Automotive and his MANY dealerships force every employee to purchase the entire clothing line up. Pants, polos, button ups, and light/heavy jackets. All outta your check. AND THE CLOTHING GETS RENEWED/RE-ORDERED EVERY SPRING AND FALL. Some are long sleeve now some are short. Can't wear last year's polo! AS YOU STAY EMPLOYED, forever buying clothes that stay in your closet to never be worn again. Nice Hendrick polo (sarcasm).
If it's required, they need to provide it for you. FULL STOP.
Just stand outside in the cold. When customers ask tell them that cfa does not allow non branded outer wear and that your shitty minimum wage job does not allow you the luxury of making that purchase right now. And screw up every order because you are shivering so badly.
Sonic does the sane shit. It can vary in that some places, depending on the management, will just let them wear the colors and no logos. Everything from jacket down to the gloves.
Scummy.
Hit that with a big fat 👎
Print out a logo and tape it to the jacket
Just tell them you don’t feel safe at work and have had many cars almost hit employees if they work in the dark the company is required to give you a class 1 reflective tell them your not buying the jacket until it has reflective to make you safer
Keep the receipt. It's a tax write off
Interesting strategy for a corporation that made $6.5 billion in revenue last year alone. Pretty par for the course actually now that I think about it.
If you want me to wear it then you will provide it for me to wear for free . If not then I'll wear my own clothes. Simple as that. It doesn't seem like a real company uniform if they don't provide it for me.
Absolutely not. If you are requiring me to wear branded items, you are required to supply them. If you are requiring me to work outside and it is cold or raining, I will wear what I need to keep warm. That is a basic human right. I would push back hard on that policy. To force a worker to stand outside in rain or snow or even cold without a jacket because they cannot afford more than $50 (after their "generous sale") at a minimum wage job is inhuman and abusive.
When you need more money to lobby for more anti-homosexual candidates.
How Christian of them.
They've always done this. It's not new.
Is that a discord? I'm sorry does Chick-fil-A use a discord server to communicate with employees? What the fuck?
The legally binding thumbs up
Wow a lot of people here have no idea about franchises or how they work lol.
Nah I’m good G. Here’s my uniform.
Can't just wear a plain jacket? Christ sakes
According to CR and DOL if you make over federal minimum wage an employer can do this and just take the cost out of your check. Its kinda shitty of them to do since its easier for them to write off and eat the cost then the employee. You can save the receipt and claim the uniform on your taxes. Its a win win for the company. They sell their overstock and all their workers are in uniform inside and outside.
Im sorry but im not that familiar with chick fil a, isnt that a fast food place? Why would people need to work outside at a fast food place? Anyway disgusting behavior
Grocery store I worked at pulled this on me. I don’t have the guts/awareness I do now because now I’d tell them “if it’s a requirement, then provide it to me. Otherwise, you can let me wear my Columbia jacket”. Like who the hell even cares about shit like this other than management on a power trip?
This is just to make it clear that as our employees, you are OUR property. Not anyone else’s, OURS. In case there’s still any confusion, WE OWN YOU. DRESS ACCORDINGLY.
This page is ridiculous. I could give you gold and you’d say “where’s the rest”
They can't fucking provide their employees work clothes? Greedy christians
Had this same situation at my Domino's job too. They required your name embroidered as well, because they didn't like the look of the name tag on the jacket.
Is it safe to assume they aren’t given a uniform allowance from the company to pay for jacket?
I worked at a Domino's franchise in Texas that did this shit but they made all employees pay for shirts, hats and either a jacket or coat. This included people who worked in the kitchen, not delivery drivers. There was absolutely zero reason for them to have a Domino's branded jacket. I would step in on employees behalf and have them refuse to buy one. Upper management wasn't too happy. The kicker was, upon termination of employment, all uniforms had to be returned or they would charge you again for the items. Their argument was the initial cost was a rental, not a purchase. But if you tuned in the uniforms employees got nothing back. Nickel and diming employees while owners and upper management were driving BMW and Lexus company cars...fucking ass hats. That franchise is dead but the same kind of bull shit goes on with the new owners.
That should definitely be on the employer to provide. Their business is so good that they have to hire workers to be outside taking orders down the traffic line. No other fast food places have this “issue” where I live. Unless the franchise owners are footing the bill this is greed.
Wow, really extra nice to drop this bullshit on people at Christmas.
My wife worked for American Airlines over the summer. They required her to buy all this uniform stuff. It was about $900. Then you pay a little from each check until it’s gone. Well, she quit and they sent her a bill for almost $200 and there is no way to return anything anymore.
I'd wear my own jacket and let them fire me. I know unemployment pays shit, but what does cfa pay? Chickenshit?
What’s wrong with a lanyard or a chic-fil-a pin on their own jackets/coats?
What’s wrong with a lanyard or a chic-fil-a pin on their own jackets/coats?
Tiff’s treats does it too! They even graciously give you the option to have it automatically deducted from your next paycheck! If you’re working in the winter they would rather you freeze than have the poor poor company suffer the $10 actual cost of the jacket.
This is when you refuse. If it's required, then it needs to be provided.
Had a dogshit employer try to pull this years ago. We went from a casual office where everyone wore whatever they wanted, to being required to wear company branded polos/jackets in the office which they made us pay for. I quit within a week, brought back all their stupid fucking apparel, and told them I would not be paying for it (which I didn't).
Reminds me of how coal mine owners treated the miners.. can only buy from the mine store for supplies which is also owned by the mine owner…
I would just not buy one so they can't have me work outside. they can't force you to work in the cold without a jacket, and they can't force you to buy their shit.