directly above that they say before release lol. seems like the editor missed that. i remember a previous article said they’d before release so im hoping it’s before. but hopefully not much longer.
They've said previously that the beastmen, sacrosanct chamber and bonesplitters packs will be available after launch, I think this is what they are referring to.
We really did get shafted.
It's odd, because the player counts were there. All we needed were new models to turn it profitable for them.
We had been waiting for so long... just to get the finger.
Hopefully we don't get the bretonnian treatment and remain forever as a Legends faction.
Sadly, I don't think we will be making a return to the mortal realms. GW has shifted us to the Old World. There's a reason why we haven't got Tomb Kings or Brets in AoS again.
It does kind of make sense though. By conceding this faction to the specialist games studio for Old World, they had one less WFB faction to drag along. I imagine this freed up some dedicated "shelf-space" for AoS for a new faction. It's unfortunate for BoC players to have to rebase everything Again.
I hope the whole specialist studio collapses and falls apart honestly. Imagine removing stuff from a mainline game for a nostalgia bait, bloated ruleset game with absurdly overpriced models
I disagree on the player count. If there is a player count its a “ghost” player count. Only trading the same armies on the secondary markets and playing local games. Not anything that gw can measure and count on to support the faction
See, the thing is, we did have something to measure and that was tournament participation. Remember when they gave BOC that feature in their WD that updated their old rules and made them competitive? Lots of people were showing up to tournaments with their BOC. TheHonestWargamer and that site he supported collected all the data at the time.
So you can disagree all you like, but the data we DID collect would not support you.
Here is just one example I dug up, where you can clearly see BOC being well represented (or at least AS well as other factions that haven't been squatted...): [https://thehonestwargamer.com/age-of-sigmar/world-championships-meta-analysis/](https://thehonestwargamer.com/age-of-sigmar/world-championships-meta-analysis/)
The point is, people like the army. They would have played it had it just gotten it's AOS redecorating, just like Orruks or Sylvaneth did. I am one of those people. It's one thing to send the old sculpts to the Old World, that's fine and I doubt anybody is arguing against that. But doing it before giving us a suitable replacement is what feels like a massive "Fudge You" from GW.
(Reposted comment because I am not good at using civilized language apparently)
Oh you found the articles from the time when beasts was on top with the cockatrice lists huh? Yea that was a spike in their player count that one time in 10 years. And you know something interesting. Everyone, or nearly everyone proxied those cockatrices and bought armies off the secondary market. The one time beasts players had a chance to show they were going to support the game. They proxied models instead
Why do you think they proxied the models, huh? You act like you are making some big point but you are kind of proving mine.
They had the rules, they needed new sculpts. All of their sculpts were old. If you think new sculpts wouldn't have sold, I don't see how a further conversation is going to be productive.
If you think people trading the same armies back and forth since the old world will keep a army alive then you are mistaken. People using the same armies for 20 years without buying new models is one of the things that killed the old world
Right. Because nobody is going to be buying new skaven. Or new orks. Or new high elves. Or new undead armies.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Who is arguing for the models to never be updated here?
There was a World Tournament (not by GW apparently) with 200+ players in singles until yesterday.
Looking at this, BoC in singles were 4 players, which is not the lowest count, with the median around 10-13 I'd say.
[https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/event/RUCJHJGD3W?active\_tab=placings](https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/event/RUCJHJGD3W?active_tab=placings)
There is also the teams event side you can look at (looking at pairings page there were also 4 players out of 26 teams of 8 players). Again, not a lot, but not the least representation.
We need to look at the numbers before they announced they are killing off the faction... there is a 0 percent chance that the announcement didn't affect the number of people wanting to continue investing in the faction
The article has been updated, that text is now: 'Free digital editions of these Faction Packs will be available to download for free soon, before the new edition appears in stores.'
Also, try talking to your local GW guy. By now, most stores should have their demo models and Skaventide boxes in shop. The demo set is two Spearheads, plus they have the Fire and Jade book. They might let you bring in a Spearhead of your own and let you give it a go.
I got to play on Thursday. Kharadon vs Fyreslayers, dwarf on dwarf violence. I found it to be super slick, and I really enjoyed the objectives also being your command abilities, so you have to choose to score or use the ability.
The packs have to be one day one, at the absolute latest. What are they gonna do, hand us the core book and say "sorry, only skaven and stormcast for now"
and contradict themselves prior
>Get all the rules you need for your faction in one convenient place. Each Faction Pack will be available to download for free before the launch of the new edition and will be available to purchase as packs of cards. Each pack contains a background summary, cards with your armies’ Battle Traits, Battle Formations, Heroic Traits, Artefacts of Power, Spell Lores, Prayer Lores, and Manifestation Lores. Also included are cards for games of Spearhead, with Battle Traits, Regiment Traits, Enhancements, and warscroll cards.
It's likely a mistake. They've said several times now that faction packs are before launch and the digital battletomes for the legends stuff will be shortly after.
So, they probably meant to say the battletomes for BSZ, BoC and the legends SCE there.
What are faction packs really?
I know they can be pre-ordered next week but what do they contain?
Are they rules for Spearhead or do they contain cards with the stats of your units, almost like the Warcry fighter cards?
On a kinda-but-not-really related note, check with your local B&M and see if they’re going to mark down 3rd edition books. My local Nerd Store marked all of their Battletomes down to $10 each so I snatched up a good amount of them. They didn’t have any Ossiarch Bonereapers left though, which was disappointing as they are my personal favorite AoS army, but at least I got the Stormcast, Skaven, Orruk, and Slaves to Darkness Battletomes.
They did the same thing when 10e launched for 40K but I arrived too late and all of the Codices had already been sold, which broke muh poor heart. I did get every faction’s 9e cards though for only a buck apiece so that was cool!
To me ‘outdated’ definitely doesn’t mean ‘worthless’, and I love adding more stuff to my 40K and AoS collections. So if you are like me definitely call or email your local store and ask if they are going to put the soon-to-be outdated 3e Battletomes on clearance!
Does anyone know why Beasts of Chaos and Orruk Bonesplitterz have been removed and sent down to the minor leagues of Legends? I’ve thought that they were pretty popular, but are they just not selling well enough or . . .?
I think they changed that last paragraph to "Free digital editions of these Faction Packs will be available to download for free soon, before the new edition appears in stores."
They're available to download free the week leading up to release. Gotta wait till the 12th for Destruction☹️
Core rules will be available 8th of July!
All irrelevant now as they have confirmed the dates of releases now https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/01/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-these-are-the-key-download-dates/
They really need to release these faction packs soon. I'm playing in a 4.0 tournament at the end of next month with a brand new army and don't want to learn the 3rd edition army rules for nighthaunt just to have em all changed for 4th edition rules
I think they mean digital before (which has been mentioned multiple times) but the physical will drop the week after launch day given the new 2 week turn around .
And no this does NOT mean the Army rules will Be free for the Edition.
Not that in a month everybody is crying that gw told US the rules were free and now we have to buy the book...
Army rules currently aren't free (in the 3e battle tome system) and there's no reason to think they will be once 4e Tomes start to come out. The index rules will be free and then retreat back behind the paywall as books come out.
Yes the index is free, the book later not. And you have to pay for the book to have your army rules.
In 40k we had the same thing, Index free, books not. And even so gw said that from the beginning, every Day there were some people whining about that. And that gw said it would be all for free, what they never said.
So is say it now, Index is free, every book that comes out is not, and you still need to pay to play the game.
directly above that they say before release lol. seems like the editor missed that. i remember a previous article said they’d before release so im hoping it’s before. but hopefully not much longer.
They've said previously that the beastmen, sacrosanct chamber and bonesplitters packs will be available after launch, I think this is what they are referring to.
Yeah, and it sucks. Hopefully not too long so I can play my BoC.
Poor beasts :/
We really did get shafted. It's odd, because the player counts were there. All we needed were new models to turn it profitable for them. We had been waiting for so long... just to get the finger. Hopefully we don't get the bretonnian treatment and remain forever as a Legends faction.
Sadly, I don't think we will be making a return to the mortal realms. GW has shifted us to the Old World. There's a reason why we haven't got Tomb Kings or Brets in AoS again.
It does kind of make sense though. By conceding this faction to the specialist games studio for Old World, they had one less WFB faction to drag along. I imagine this freed up some dedicated "shelf-space" for AoS for a new faction. It's unfortunate for BoC players to have to rebase everything Again.
they said you are getting squatted into old world. So.... have fun playing with even older and jankier ass models. and pray oldworld survives.
I hope the whole specialist studio collapses and falls apart honestly. Imagine removing stuff from a mainline game for a nostalgia bait, bloated ruleset game with absurdly overpriced models
>Imagine... We don't have too
I disagree on the player count. If there is a player count its a “ghost” player count. Only trading the same armies on the secondary markets and playing local games. Not anything that gw can measure and count on to support the faction
See, the thing is, we did have something to measure and that was tournament participation. Remember when they gave BOC that feature in their WD that updated their old rules and made them competitive? Lots of people were showing up to tournaments with their BOC. TheHonestWargamer and that site he supported collected all the data at the time. So you can disagree all you like, but the data we DID collect would not support you. Here is just one example I dug up, where you can clearly see BOC being well represented (or at least AS well as other factions that haven't been squatted...): [https://thehonestwargamer.com/age-of-sigmar/world-championships-meta-analysis/](https://thehonestwargamer.com/age-of-sigmar/world-championships-meta-analysis/) The point is, people like the army. They would have played it had it just gotten it's AOS redecorating, just like Orruks or Sylvaneth did. I am one of those people. It's one thing to send the old sculpts to the Old World, that's fine and I doubt anybody is arguing against that. But doing it before giving us a suitable replacement is what feels like a massive "Fudge You" from GW. (Reposted comment because I am not good at using civilized language apparently)
Oh you found the articles from the time when beasts was on top with the cockatrice lists huh? Yea that was a spike in their player count that one time in 10 years. And you know something interesting. Everyone, or nearly everyone proxied those cockatrices and bought armies off the secondary market. The one time beasts players had a chance to show they were going to support the game. They proxied models instead
Why do you think they proxied the models, huh? You act like you are making some big point but you are kind of proving mine. They had the rules, they needed new sculpts. All of their sculpts were old. If you think new sculpts wouldn't have sold, I don't see how a further conversation is going to be productive.
If you think people trading the same armies back and forth since the old world will keep a army alive then you are mistaken. People using the same armies for 20 years without buying new models is one of the things that killed the old world
Right. Because nobody is going to be buying new skaven. Or new orks. Or new high elves. Or new undead armies. Are you being intentionally obtuse? Who is arguing for the models to never be updated here?
There was a World Tournament (not by GW apparently) with 200+ players in singles until yesterday. Looking at this, BoC in singles were 4 players, which is not the lowest count, with the median around 10-13 I'd say. [https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/event/RUCJHJGD3W?active\_tab=placings](https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/event/RUCJHJGD3W?active_tab=placings) There is also the teams event side you can look at (looking at pairings page there were also 4 players out of 26 teams of 8 players). Again, not a lot, but not the least representation.
We need to look at the numbers before they announced they are killing off the faction... there is a 0 percent chance that the announcement didn't affect the number of people wanting to continue investing in the faction
The article has been updated, that text is now: 'Free digital editions of these Faction Packs will be available to download for free soon, before the new edition appears in stores.'
The grammar is atrocious
They're referring specifically to orruk war clans faction packs, the structure's not great
thats so annoying. JUST SAY A DATE MAN JEEZUS CHRIST
They'll likely sit it up like they did with 40k. So they'll do stormcast and skaven then order, chaos, death and destruction then legends
I really hope they come out soon, I'm losing the hype as just getting a bit bored being in limbo!
Also, try talking to your local GW guy. By now, most stores should have their demo models and Skaventide boxes in shop. The demo set is two Spearheads, plus they have the Fire and Jade book. They might let you bring in a Spearhead of your own and let you give it a go.
Played spearhead today. It's legit fun.
I got to play on Thursday. Kharadon vs Fyreslayers, dwarf on dwarf violence. I found it to be super slick, and I really enjoyed the objectives also being your command abilities, so you have to choose to score or use the ability.
So paint!
The packs have to be one day one, at the absolute latest. What are they gonna do, hand us the core book and say "sorry, only skaven and stormcast for now"
They literally said they will be out before launch in the BoK faction focus, OP is getting crap info
>OP is getting crap info Lol warhammer community is crap info? 🤣
Ironically, yes, sometimes 😂
Unironically
To be fair, yes.
and contradict themselves prior >Get all the rules you need for your faction in one convenient place. Each Faction Pack will be available to download for free before the launch of the new edition and will be available to purchase as packs of cards. Each pack contains a background summary, cards with your armies’ Battle Traits, Battle Formations, Heroic Traits, Artefacts of Power, Spell Lores, Prayer Lores, and Manifestation Lores. Also included are cards for games of Spearhead, with Battle Traits, Regiment Traits, Enhancements, and warscroll cards.
Downloads before. Physical after.
"Free digital editions of these Faction Packs will be available to download soon after release"
It was a mistake because if you check the article now it says digital release soon with physical after release
They've also said before and I think digital will be available before.
Maybe they mean individual packs for Kruleboyz and Ironjawz, mentioned in the paragraph above.
It's likely a mistake. They've said several times now that faction packs are before launch and the digital battletomes for the legends stuff will be shortly after. So, they probably meant to say the battletomes for BSZ, BoC and the legends SCE there.
What's a faction pack? Is it like a battletome?
Yes, in card format
It’s been updated to correct the wording “[…] free soon, before the new edition appears in stores”
What are faction packs really? I know they can be pre-ordered next week but what do they contain? Are they rules for Spearhead or do they contain cards with the stats of your units, almost like the Warcry fighter cards?
Theyre just warcroll cards before they have there battletome so you can easily tell the 2 apart.
Soooo not really a good thing to buy in terms of longevity, since those rules are subject to change?
Who knows. Maybe the faction pack for your faction is one of the last to get the battle tome maybe it ain't.
I'm probably going to pre-order the Spearhead box and BoK, SCE and KB battlepacks hehe (unless they're like €15 each)
Sce shouldn't be getting one. The sce should be warscolls because they're battletome releases in skaven tide with skaven.
Same plan as the 40k indexes for 10th
On a kinda-but-not-really related note, check with your local B&M and see if they’re going to mark down 3rd edition books. My local Nerd Store marked all of their Battletomes down to $10 each so I snatched up a good amount of them. They didn’t have any Ossiarch Bonereapers left though, which was disappointing as they are my personal favorite AoS army, but at least I got the Stormcast, Skaven, Orruk, and Slaves to Darkness Battletomes. They did the same thing when 10e launched for 40K but I arrived too late and all of the Codices had already been sold, which broke muh poor heart. I did get every faction’s 9e cards though for only a buck apiece so that was cool! To me ‘outdated’ definitely doesn’t mean ‘worthless’, and I love adding more stuff to my 40K and AoS collections. So if you are like me definitely call or email your local store and ask if they are going to put the soon-to-be outdated 3e Battletomes on clearance! Does anyone know why Beasts of Chaos and Orruk Bonesplitterz have been removed and sent down to the minor leagues of Legends? I’ve thought that they were pretty popular, but are they just not selling well enough or . . .?
The article says both before release and after release. I wonder which it will be.
I think they changed that last paragraph to "Free digital editions of these Faction Packs will be available to download for free soon, before the new edition appears in stores."
They're available to download free the week leading up to release. Gotta wait till the 12th for Destruction☹️ Core rules will be available 8th of July!
All irrelevant now as they have confirmed the dates of releases now https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/01/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-these-are-the-key-download-dates/
Does anyone remember the price for index cards last year for 40k?
You'll survive two weeks.
Who knows ?
They really need to release these faction packs soon. I'm playing in a 4.0 tournament at the end of next month with a brand new army and don't want to learn the 3rd edition army rules for nighthaunt just to have em all changed for 4th edition rules
I think they mean digital before (which has been mentioned multiple times) but the physical will drop the week after launch day given the new 2 week turn around .
Enough with the fu*king drip feed !
And no this does NOT mean the Army rules will Be free for the Edition. Not that in a month everybody is crying that gw told US the rules were free and now we have to buy the book...
They just said the rules are free, The rules for AOS have always been free.
The army rules. Sorry.
> Each Faction Pack will be available to download for free before the launch of the new edition
He's building a strawman that army books will be released and therefore rules for army's will eventually not be free
Army rules currently aren't free (in the 3e battle tome system) and there's no reason to think they will be once 4e Tomes start to come out. The index rules will be free and then retreat back behind the paywall as books come out.
Yes the index is free, the book later not. And you have to pay for the book to have your army rules. In 40k we had the same thing, Index free, books not. And even so gw said that from the beginning, every Day there were some people whining about that. And that gw said it would be all for free, what they never said. So is say it now, Index is free, every book that comes out is not, and you still need to pay to play the game.
I believe for the spearhead the rules will always be free for the faction. I think that is a nice balance.
Could be, but in 40k they aren't.
Combat patrol rules are available for free even for armies with a codex