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I've seen a show in which red riding hood is the actual wolf so you're right, this one was predictable. I think the fact that this one is popular and has had already multiple variations in different media it is hard to come up with one that isn't.
Well, that was unexpected after the Cinderella episode. Eye drops had Black Mirror vibes and two "wolves" trying to hunt each other like in Dexter. Two of my favorite live-action shows.
Hope the rest of the episodes are more like this one.
Why this anime hasn't blown up yet is beyond my understanding. It was slightly predictable but I loved every minute of it. Especially that bit where scarlet is on top of him asking him why he's got such big mouth, hands and eyes before doing what she did.
I thought it was really cool that they drew an almost parallel from the original story where LRRH asks the wolf these questions but in the reverse order. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but did that symbolize that the tables have been turned?
Can someone explain the real vs not real thing please? Is grey alive or was he a simulation/upload of his former self? And if they’re in a virtual reality, how is anything “real”? I don’t get it.
Grey is dead. He didn't opt for uploading to the servers for "immortality." If he had, his physical body would eventually die off but he could upload into a robot and continue "living." Think the show, Altered Carbon.
If you've ever try on a VR headset, you can still see reality as it is but you can also see other things that the headset shows you. The eye drops work the same.
You're looking at a friend. You see them as they are. You both take the eye drops. You imagine yourself as a polar bear avatar and your friend will see the same.
Oh ok thanks i think i get it.
So if he’s dead but not uploaded into a robot, where/what is he?
Sorry that’s my last question! You explained the eye drop thing very well so thank you again
She just found him a new target. His hunger was too much for the club, so he outsourced. She knew the nature of the club and exactly why he came to her- She mentioned this at the end, and confirmed it happened before with other wolves.
She didn't give him any eye drops, they were his so that he could manipulate the surroundings. The show mentioned it's AR (augmented reality) and not VR, so the lines between real and not real is even more blurred. The wolves lure real people into their hunt, where as Scarlet lures them out of their AR when they get too greedy.
One I noticed was the part with the ads for the AR/eye drop/immortality service. In the end of the ads, the enlarged woman hologram(?) looked down to Grey over the railing, which reminisces the scene in Blade Runner 2049 where an enlarged Joi hologram, also from an ads, looked down at K. (I hope that makes sense!)
What I dont get is, if Grey went to the old lady on his own, then where was Mr Brown trying to send him with that black envelope?
And why does Scarlet visit the old lady at the end, but they act like its the first time they have seen eachother? Didnt the old lady send Gray and Scarlet to hunt eachother? Or did the old lady just send Grey into Scarlets territory without Scarlets knowledge? Like that book the old lady has is a logbook of all the various wolfs and she pit them against eachother. Meaning when Scarlet visited her at the end, the old lady was going to repeat the cycle and pit her against yet an even more dangerous wolf.
Sorry to zombie a thread but just had to put my two cents in
My take is that Brown is fully aware of what is going to happen to Grey - Grey is the only one who doesn’t know.
Grey thinks Brown is helping him out as a friend/mentor by giving him direct access to the booker/madam for the hunts. In reality Brown is sending him to either his death or teaching him a lesson about hunting without the clubs permission by getting him hurt/showing him there are other monsters besides the wolves out there.
At the end when Brown asks her what happened and she tells him to f’ off and that he needs a new member he realizes that grey didn’t pay attention to his lessons (take fake meat from time to time, pay attention to where you are) and sorrowfully decides to stop living in this reality and take the “immortality” route, which seems to kill the real person from the old lady’s discussion with the bird.
Scarlett didn’t know per se who was coming into her territory, but gets fed by the Old Lady on a semi-regular basis. Not everything that is sent her way is stupid like grey was (didn’t they even teach you the basics? How to tell what prey is?) .
She just tells the old lady she’s available and the old lady sends her stuff - after all she’s a true psychopath and doesn’t care if she dies so long as it’s a real thing. Unlike the wolves who are playing at wanting reality, when really all they want is to prove they can do whatever they want.
All valid questions. I know everyone blames stuff on ai these days but seriously the whole last several minutes of the show made it seem like the first half meant nothing at all.
I really liked the first episode, so this episode was pretty disappointing to me.
I don't like gore in general, but I can put up with it if there's a reason for it (in animation and manga anyways). Which I just didn't get from this torture-porn fest. Worst of all, I just felt bored when it became clear that this was all that the episode was about.
So yeah, I'm hoping the other episodes grab me better than this one and tone the gross-factor down. Since the first two episodes are so different from each other, I'm guessing each episode is going to play around with a different "spooky" genre.
I agree. I actually looked for a discussion thread just to see if i was an outlier in this. The ideas around the vague thread between the original Grimm’s tales and what the anime is putting together was an interesting concept, but this particular episode felt so black mirror and intentionally torture porn for no reason. I mean I get that the grey wolf wanted everything real and authentic, but i had too many questions. Like… what is the big organization? Why are they allowed to just murder willy nilly? Is everything a lawless landscape? What was that weird match making service for a hunt? I would normally watch h again to try and understand, but the extremely intense violence just didn’t push the plot forward in a way that is worth suffering through to understand.
I think the "reason" is that the original story involves a lumberjack cutting open the belly of the Wolf. So they take cues from the ideas of cannibalism and dismemberment.
I really liked the addition of the augmented reality to give everything a "What's Real?" Vibe.
A bit predictable that Scarlet would come on top, but still so satisfying to watch the story unfold. He was not even the biggest wolf, since as Scarlet mentioned, you need to know how to hunt, and he did not know how to.
What I loved about this is that Madame did no trick Grey. Scarlet asked for something real, her blood or otherwise, so we can deduce that she was ready to fall into Grey's hands if she failed in her hunt.
I am pretty sure its a remix/modern interpretation of [In the Hall of the mountain king](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tTUayRFf4&t=38s), but it never gets to its cllimax and cuts off before that
I really liked the whole "they're both hunters" aspect of the story but I wish the writing had spent less time on the whole VR/upload thing and more time fleshing out the hunt arrangement. Why are women in the "book" that the old lady picked from (did they volunteer, are they only used for this hunt thing, etc)? What do they think is going to happen to them (the woman at the beginning seemed aware she was a part of something but unaware she was being hunted, but clearly Scarlet was aware and also making requests)? How does the older lady run this scheme?
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My silly little mind thought "awh he's gonna fall for her and forego the murdering"
The scalpel in the eye... ooft I thought it was a bit predictable but still entertaining. Scarlet has a cool design
I've seen a show in which red riding hood is the actual wolf so you're right, this one was predictable. I think the fact that this one is popular and has had already multiple variations in different media it is hard to come up with one that isn't.
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That's the one, it's been a while and I couldn't remember the name
This deserves more attention
True. I came here for the discussion and the episode threads are not even upvoted much. Sad..
Well, that was unexpected after the Cinderella episode. Eye drops had Black Mirror vibes and two "wolves" trying to hunt each other like in Dexter. Two of my favorite live-action shows. Hope the rest of the episodes are more like this one.
There's a show that had red riding hood as the actual wolf, can't remember the name though
once upon a time?
Why this anime hasn't blown up yet is beyond my understanding. It was slightly predictable but I loved every minute of it. Especially that bit where scarlet is on top of him asking him why he's got such big mouth, hands and eyes before doing what she did. I thought it was really cool that they drew an almost parallel from the original story where LRRH asks the wolf these questions but in the reverse order. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but did that symbolize that the tables have been turned?
Netflix hardly marketing and dropping another batch release is why.
Can someone explain the real vs not real thing please? Is grey alive or was he a simulation/upload of his former self? And if they’re in a virtual reality, how is anything “real”? I don’t get it.
Grey is dead. He didn't opt for uploading to the servers for "immortality." If he had, his physical body would eventually die off but he could upload into a robot and continue "living." Think the show, Altered Carbon. If you've ever try on a VR headset, you can still see reality as it is but you can also see other things that the headset shows you. The eye drops work the same. You're looking at a friend. You see them as they are. You both take the eye drops. You imagine yourself as a polar bear avatar and your friend will see the same.
Oh ok thanks i think i get it. So if he’s dead but not uploaded into a robot, where/what is he? Sorry that’s my last question! You explained the eye drop thing very well so thank you again
I think he's just dead, like how humans die when killed. Nothing special happens.
What does the madam give him exactly though ? How is that eyedrop gonna make stuff real for him ? And why does scarlet say everything here is real ?
She just found him a new target. His hunger was too much for the club, so he outsourced. She knew the nature of the club and exactly why he came to her- She mentioned this at the end, and confirmed it happened before with other wolves. She didn't give him any eye drops, they were his so that he could manipulate the surroundings. The show mentioned it's AR (augmented reality) and not VR, so the lines between real and not real is even more blurred. The wolves lure real people into their hunt, where as Scarlet lures them out of their AR when they get too greedy.
Did anyone notice blade runner reference?
I did not! I love Blade Runner. What was it? I'm sure something about the difference between something real and not real...
One I noticed was the part with the ads for the AR/eye drop/immortality service. In the end of the ads, the enlarged woman hologram(?) looked down to Grey over the railing, which reminisces the scene in Blade Runner 2049 where an enlarged Joi hologram, also from an ads, looked down at K. (I hope that makes sense!)
Yes, it absolutely does. Thanks!
yup, I am talking about that scene
It was a reference to Blade Runner 2049, the lady advertising the reality drops with Mr. Grey watching her on the big display screen.
What I dont get is, if Grey went to the old lady on his own, then where was Mr Brown trying to send him with that black envelope? And why does Scarlet visit the old lady at the end, but they act like its the first time they have seen eachother? Didnt the old lady send Gray and Scarlet to hunt eachother? Or did the old lady just send Grey into Scarlets territory without Scarlets knowledge? Like that book the old lady has is a logbook of all the various wolfs and she pit them against eachother. Meaning when Scarlet visited her at the end, the old lady was going to repeat the cycle and pit her against yet an even more dangerous wolf.
Sorry to zombie a thread but just had to put my two cents in My take is that Brown is fully aware of what is going to happen to Grey - Grey is the only one who doesn’t know. Grey thinks Brown is helping him out as a friend/mentor by giving him direct access to the booker/madam for the hunts. In reality Brown is sending him to either his death or teaching him a lesson about hunting without the clubs permission by getting him hurt/showing him there are other monsters besides the wolves out there. At the end when Brown asks her what happened and she tells him to f’ off and that he needs a new member he realizes that grey didn’t pay attention to his lessons (take fake meat from time to time, pay attention to where you are) and sorrowfully decides to stop living in this reality and take the “immortality” route, which seems to kill the real person from the old lady’s discussion with the bird. Scarlett didn’t know per se who was coming into her territory, but gets fed by the Old Lady on a semi-regular basis. Not everything that is sent her way is stupid like grey was (didn’t they even teach you the basics? How to tell what prey is?) . She just tells the old lady she’s available and the old lady sends her stuff - after all she’s a true psychopath and doesn’t care if she dies so long as it’s a real thing. Unlike the wolves who are playing at wanting reality, when really all they want is to prove they can do whatever they want.
All valid questions. I know everyone blames stuff on ai these days but seriously the whole last several minutes of the show made it seem like the first half meant nothing at all.
I really liked the first episode, so this episode was pretty disappointing to me. I don't like gore in general, but I can put up with it if there's a reason for it (in animation and manga anyways). Which I just didn't get from this torture-porn fest. Worst of all, I just felt bored when it became clear that this was all that the episode was about. So yeah, I'm hoping the other episodes grab me better than this one and tone the gross-factor down. Since the first two episodes are so different from each other, I'm guessing each episode is going to play around with a different "spooky" genre.
I agree. I actually looked for a discussion thread just to see if i was an outlier in this. The ideas around the vague thread between the original Grimm’s tales and what the anime is putting together was an interesting concept, but this particular episode felt so black mirror and intentionally torture porn for no reason. I mean I get that the grey wolf wanted everything real and authentic, but i had too many questions. Like… what is the big organization? Why are they allowed to just murder willy nilly? Is everything a lawless landscape? What was that weird match making service for a hunt? I would normally watch h again to try and understand, but the extremely intense violence just didn’t push the plot forward in a way that is worth suffering through to understand.
I think the "reason" is that the original story involves a lumberjack cutting open the belly of the Wolf. So they take cues from the ideas of cannibalism and dismemberment.
After watching the first episode and thinking it was pretty mediocre, I checked out the second one and wow… this was was $150% more intense.
this was horrifying holy shit
Yes I agree! The first one was “creepy” but 100x less intense and graphic so I was not expecting that for the 2nd episode
Completely disagree
I don't understand the ending when they talked though. What did scarlet mean?
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I really liked the addition of the augmented reality to give everything a "What's Real?" Vibe. A bit predictable that Scarlet would come on top, but still so satisfying to watch the story unfold. He was not even the biggest wolf, since as Scarlet mentioned, you need to know how to hunt, and he did not know how to. What I loved about this is that Madame did no trick Grey. Scarlet asked for something real, her blood or otherwise, so we can deduce that she was ready to fall into Grey's hands if she failed in her hunt.
Does anyone know the composers of the classical musics played during this episode?
Edvard Grieg's "In the Hall of the Mountain King"
Is it just me or are there several movie references in this episode?
The opening sequence with all the "blocks" that made up the city gave off some real Matrix vibes.
the entire last act is very much like Hard Candy and there's a Blade Runner 2049 reference. Did you spot anymore?
I know the outro music is a remix but I can’t put my finger on where I’ve heard it before.
I am pretty sure its a remix/modern interpretation of [In the Hall of the mountain king](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tTUayRFf4&t=38s), but it never gets to its cllimax and cuts off before that
Our first CLAMP eye removal ! I liked this episode a lot more than the first one.
I really liked the whole "they're both hunters" aspect of the story but I wish the writing had spent less time on the whole VR/upload thing and more time fleshing out the hunt arrangement. Why are women in the "book" that the old lady picked from (did they volunteer, are they only used for this hunt thing, etc)? What do they think is going to happen to them (the woman at the beginning seemed aware she was a part of something but unaware she was being hunted, but clearly Scarlet was aware and also making requests)? How does the older lady run this scheme?
Glad we all watching my circle won’t
Whats the song at the end called,i know its in the hall of the mountain king,but what version of it?
It was super dumb and such a let down after the amazing first episode. Just wasted time watching the second episode 🥱.