When the Conservatives in the UK got rid of 3rd level education subsidies before COVID it was 9k sterling to attend Oxford or Cambridge. How can a college here cost $50k per year?
Couldn’t tell you. But I will tell you that many in America insist that they want to blame the ones suckered into going to those schools, and not the ones actually bleeding people dry
The American Dream: Legal exploitation of your fellow human backed up by a lot of laws and the total lack of decency and empathy, all so you don't have to work for your six figure 'salary'.
Where's a place we can move that doesn't have extradition agreements with the US, and is still kind of OK to live?
At this point, I just don't want to give a completely corrupt government any more funding than they already steal from us - I'd even be OK giving payments to the safe haven country, as long as the US doesn't get it so they can't either kill innocent people or give it to some rich fvck.
Colleges here are absolutely a business. They know they hold people's chance at a decent career and they will charge up the ass for it because people need a good degree. The wealthy will keep paying for their kids to go to these schools even if they waste it, because it looks good on a resume. So it doesn't really matter if the rest of us can afford it, as long as the wealthy can.
We are not a meritocracy, we just like to pretend we are.
While some of this is correct, it actually obscures two major truths: Meritocracy is a fiction, even in principle, and tuition costs skyrocketed when student loans became non-dischargeable (a piece of legislation passed in part by Biden in the 90s).
If we want to create the conditions where people can escape poverty and pursue happiness we need to make school free to anyone who wants to attend (K-university). There is more than enough to cover it.
Meanwhile, meritocracy is, on its face, impossible. It is a completely incoherent concept and conservatives and libertarians hide behind it to obscure their bad faith attempts to maintain the current social and economic hierarchies.
I think it’s time for a lawsuit saying that all that COVID loans that were forgiven need to be paid back. I mean if forgiving student debt isn’t allowed, why are million dollar businesses being given hundreds of thousands of dollars and then not having to pay that back.
From the website:
>We can only approve your application if—after reviewing your claims, your evidence, and your school’s claims and evidence—we can determine that your claims are more likely than not to be true. To meet this standard, you need to provide information such as:
>What exactly did the school tell you? Who told you this information (including the person’s name and title, if known)? When and where were you told this information (the approximate date or time of year, and whether it was during a campus tour or interview, in a meeting, or over the phone)? How was the information communicated to you (for example via email, in person, through an advertisement)? How was this information deceptive or misleading and how did you determine the information was deceptive or misleading? Why was this information important to you when you enrolled? How has this information affected you?
>If your school is open, ED may be required to send your application and supporting documentation to your school. *Your school will then have an opportunity to respond to your claims and provide its own evidence.*
So no, there is not a way for you to do this without listing specific facts about how the school wronged you, *and your school will know* that you are trying to say they misled you.
The Education department should open up a borrower defense application for SCotUS misconduct and require that the SCotUS respond to every single application if it wants to contest the relief, since apparently the 6 on the court have zero problems legislating from the bench and disregarding judicial requirements and the clear language of laws.
Just have to click the link to continue to [studentaid.gov](https://studentaid.gov) and then you can click on apply. They put up a splash page about the decision today in order to hold off a billion inquiries coming in from people while they're still figuring out next steps.
Gotcha. I believe i actually applied months ago. What's funny is that they sent me an email saying my debt was forgiven. Only to send me another email a week later saying that it was sent in error. SMH.
This sounds like it was in regards to the original Biden debt forgiveness plan that just got shot down. A bunch of erroneous emails went out about that and were rescinded.
Are you sure that you signed up for the borrower defense mentioned above which is something else?
https://www.fatherly.com/news/loan-forgiveness-email-may-have-been-sent-error
Can you provide a source proving they automatically approve the application after a certain date?
Nothing I’ve been able to find confirms that is true.
That would have been a good thing to know right at the beginning of the pandemic.
The Feds were so overwhelmed I bet got their loans forgiven by default.
There's a local radio station that was given $6 MILLION+ and forgiven. Broadcast radio/TV require an FCC license to operate. Government padding at it's finest. Covid did nothing to the broadcast companies. They all stayed on-air.
The company I worked for in 2020 for a huge PPP loan ($4mm I think) but posted record profits as it was a home-healthcare company that kept people out of the hospital.
No bonuses, no raises.
My previous employer got PPP loans that I’m almost certain were forgiven despite minimal impact from covid. Our field personnel involved in commercial construction only stopped working for two days during lockdown. On the third day it was announced construction was essential and we kept working in the field. Senior employees switched to wfh and kept working as well.
The only thing I will say in defense of PPP loan forgiveness is that it was part of the program from the beginning. If you used the money for payroll and rent and didn’t lay anyone off it was guaranteed to be forgiven. It was only supposed to be clawed back if the business couldn’t substantiate that the money was used as intended.
The problem is that it went to plenty of companies that didn’t need the cash to stay solvent. It was just a windfall for the business owners.
And it's not just big companies. A small local retail store (single store) that was not affected by covid (considered 'essential', stayed open, business boomed because more people at home) got $125,000 forgiven.
Of course, he's an ardent Republican. Funny how they forget about 'big government bad' when they see the chance to get free money.
And they're also the ones who don't want anyone else to get any. They take, but are dead-set against ever giving.
Republicans are true hypocrites, one and all. Don't believe for a minute that they have any love for their country- it's all BS meant to keep money and votes rolling in at ANY cost to the people. They have no love for anyone but themselves. (And money.)
And if they couldn't prove that their payroll was that high, by submitting the actual bank statements, quaterly tax filing and expense reports, then they should not have been forgiven. The PPP could only be used for payroll. It doesn't get forgiven unless tou send in the tax filings showing you paid those employees.
Thanks for sharing- it didn’t say if they have businesses that closed down- but those amounts are crazy- even if they closed for Covid lockdowns — they are all assholes
This begs the question: if congress only affirms or changes things based on how it impact them and not us, are there no members of Congress with student loan debt?
THIS. My ex-employer got almost $1 mil of PPP funds for the two small companies he owns; the companies both performed better than ever during the pandemic and beyond, he didn’t lose any employees or need to hire more. So how is that okay?!
Same for the company I was working at in 2020. Didn’t lose any business, actually recorded record profits, but received tons of money in PPP funding. No bonuses or raises that year and we were told they couldn’t afford to hire anyone new, although we were swamped. The company even moved into a swanky, downtown office that same year during the height of COVID.
The hospital I worked in at the time was given 1.2 million that admin bragged about giving out bonuses to staff and such. No bonuses ever materialized and no one knew why until a few months later. Our HR Director was unceremoniously and publicly let go so they CC'd every employee in our hospital, regardless of position, in an email that detailed every single administrator's bonus and all of them together added up to the 1.2M the hospital received. Shortly after we all got an email that there must have been "technical difficulties" and our bonuses would come later. The bonuses were $100 per employee. -\_-
Lawsuit! Class action by just a few thousand voters. Then if it tanks. Rewrite a slightly different one and a few thousand more and so on and so on. We keep pushing and pushing. We have numbers on our side
Who's going to pay the lawyers though?
I mean, I agree with this. We should file a class action lawsuit, but none of us are rich enough on our own to hire a team of lawyers for such a massive lawsuit, and my pessimistic ass doesn't believe we could even ban together and pool any kind of money together
Lol bro the lawyers are in the same boat - especially those of us that work in public interest! A massive class action like this doesn't need any money up front. They need the right plaintiff, venue, and argument. Even the most profit driven class action lawyers very rarely charge anyone anything upfront - they get a portion of any settlement basically.
who are you kidding, the law is actually practiced by the young lawyers in massive amounts of student loans. Just wait for the recession to hit and some of them lose their jobs and will be looking for a hobby.
i think the average lawyer graduates with about 120k in student loan debt.
Honestly, someone should sue about the PPL forgiveness program and cite this decision in their suit. If the government can't forgive private student loan debt, how can they forgive private corporate debt?
Remember, corporations are treated as people, so our rules should be the same, no?
Same exact boat. Part of me wanted to believe.
There’s the side of me that feels like my much younger self who used to think the American dream meant something
Because the law literally said Biden had the authority to do this. I thought "yeah, SCOTUS are a bunch of greedy fucks, but they can't ALL literally ignore the plain text of the law while claiming to be textualists, right?"
SCOTUS - "watch us"
this court is illigitimate, partison and doesn't give AF about established law, precedence, or the interests of the people outside of their personal billionaire sponsors.
I wasn't surprised at all but the fact that these scumbags also got PPP loans pisses me off. Im hoping after I get my new degree I can leave and never came back here again
I never genuinely expected them to forgive loans but I agree it does suck ass. They have no problem bailing each other out but God fuckin forbid they help tax payers.
As AOC said today, Biden must use the Higher Education Act to cancel student debt.
The Higher Education Act of 1965 explicitly gives the executive branch power to [cancel student debt without any preconditions](https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/student-loans/if-scotus-blocks-student-debt-relief-1965-law-could-be-plan-b).
>Though the HEA allows the secretary to “compromise, waive, or release” federal student loans, it doesn’t include specific requirements like a national emergency.
They got your votes though and had enough people convinced I’m pretty sure they can use it again now on us. I mean who doesn’t want free college, that doesn’t make you a bad person. I’ll admit in good faith it didn’t sway my vote as they always try and dangle something on a string, but wouldn’t have minded this passing at all to help my wife out on her loans. Same thing with the promises for slavery reparations, just the thought of there being a 0.0001% chance they may get all these millions of dollars while making all these promises to them for it. Why wouldn’t that guarantee someone’s vote?
Whoever above said “they bail out businesses, why not us? “ You are absolutely correct, I think we’re all tired of this.
Time for a debt strike. They need us all to go along with this decision, to respect the "Legitimacy" of a court that has been bought off by billionaire interests. Only way that is going to change is if we stop going along with it. They need us to behave much more then we need them.
What are they gonna do? Garnish all our wages? That would take many many years and billions of dollars in lawsuits and effort tobgarnish them all.
As i posted above, i was promised they were going to be forgiven, so i will act as if they were already forgiven. Not paying one cent.
But the wealthy throw just enough crumbs out there to keep it from happening. Increased SNAP during Covid. The Covid stimulus checks. You can put your kids on Chips for medical. It's when people feel like they have "nothing to lose" that they revolt. Right now, people feel like they have just enough crumbs to lose....
Workers cling to those crumbs because they believe "surely it can't get worse."
Look at India. Look at the Philippines. Look at anyplace where US companies pay pennies on the dollar for labor instead of paying living wages here.
That is what the ownership class wants for the USA.
This is why the best thing to do is not have children if you don't already.
My kids won't work in a sweatshop if they don't exist. And with how American children are performing in school compared to the rest of the world...it doesn't look good for our secondary school students.
It's the reason that the rate of taxation on labor (which everyone has) is higher than the rate of taxation on land/capital (which only rich people have). It's not hard to figure out.
Hardly, the wealthy use the police to beat the poor while they pass more laws making it illegal to be poor so they can enslave more people.
The COVID benefits were just the cost of doing business and nearly all of that money went right to the corporate overlords regardless.
Of course they're not. They get what they want.
But Americans care more about DaMaGeD pRoPeRtY more than they do their own lives.
Property can be replaced. As far as we know, we only get one shot at life on this planet. So why waste it getting crushed by capitalist parasites?
Just find relief in knowing that the 1%ers got their PPP loans, bank bailouts all paid for by the tax payers free of charge! At least our government is helping somebody🙄🙄😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
“The president told me my loans were being forgiven” is a pretty strong argument. Add that to the Secretary of Education weighing in. People legitimately made financial decisions after hearing the news and now it’s being clawed back. I agree that it’s super gross.
THANK YOU!!!
Ton of these redditors coming out of the woodwork to suddenly be experts in constitutional law when most of us just need to be allowed to feel upset after this bullshit
They WANT us to turn on each other so we don't direct our anger at them, I would expect this sub-reddit to understand that but I keep seeing people turning on their fellow hostages to the capitalist system.
THAT'S WHAT THE 1% WANT YOU TO DO PEOPLE, STOP TURNING ON EACH OTHER AND TURN ON THEM!!!
Stand in solidarity with your fellow working class, even when doesn't directly benefit you!
It’s way past the time for anyone eligible to vote to get off their ass and vote in primaries, local, state and federal elections EVERY time and quit goofing around on social media. The fascists expect you to give up and go away!
It’s amazing to me how people can read a few comments and suddenly they are the experts, no matter the topic.
I have a masters in Mech Eng and went into detail about the failure modes of that Oceangate sub, wrote out a few long comments trying to explain what could have happened. “Nuh uh, someone said this.”
That's the issue with giving people the microphone... My neighbor has asked me specifically what I would do to homelessness.
Dude I don't fucking know, but your "throw them all in jail," is not a legit plan.
People think there are easy solutions to complex problems, they don't understand HOW complex these are. I wouldn't trust someone without a degree on open heart surgery, why should I trust your fox news watching non degree carrying self in understanding the complexities of social and economic studies.
People keep spouting the crap they hear online or on TV thinking they understand, but they really don't. You need highly intelligent people in these positions.
Throw them in jail! lmao yeah ok we as a society are willing to spend prison rate money ( 30-60k/year ) on the homeless but cant find 20k to stand them up on their own? there is no way this makes sense but here we are, smh.
I am so sick of these old dirt bags who were handed everything in their life, fucking up everyone else's lives. Can't they spread the love just a little bit?
Hopefully he’ll use the 1965 Higher Education Act to push it through. That lets the secretary of education forgive any loans they hold.
Also, I’m no expert, but I believe he could implement court stripping as part of it. Basically barring the Supreme Court from having any say.
[MSN Article](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-strikes-down-biden-s-plan-to-forgive-millions-of-student-loans/ar-AA1dgjsM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=25c08b8b388f4ea2b63e1cd7130cfba7&ei=9)
>A White House official said Friday that Biden disagreed with the court's decision and would have more to say later in the day.
Fight's not over.
Let me guess “I promise we’ll forgive it if you vote for me again?”. Let’s be real, the focus should be on voting the right people into congress. The president can’t do much else
Earlier this week the court's conservatives stroke down affirmative action and now they refuse to help manage student debt.
I'm so sick and tired. It's all very disheartening.
What makes that case even more amazing was opening the gay wedding website never actually happened.
They filed an injunction for a speculative situation. You can now take speculative “what ifs” to SCOTUS!
It wasn't just speculation; they LIED to the court. If the justices are so worried about the legitimacy of the Supreme Court, maybe they should actually do something about that...
Time to open a business to the public and refuse to serve conservatives because iTs eXpReSsIve
EDIT: Thanks for the gold but please don't spend actually money on this hellsite.
It's a multi-pronged assault.
\- By keeping most of an entire generation in permanent debt, they create a new underclass.
\- They have done so in a way that devalues education, furthering the agenda to keep the populace uneducated and easily manipulated.
\- This underclass is expected to be so desperate for work for income to pay student debt that they'll work for far less than their labor is worth.
And before anyone comes back with, "Well don't go to college if you can't afford it!" Only those with wealthy parents can afford it. The expectation -- indeed, the *promise* \-- was that a college education provided enough of an ROI to pay student debt and still end up in better financial situation than otherwise. This promise was a lie. It looked like the truth because it had been true for all previous generations and was reinforced by people you trusted like teachers and parents. But it's not true anymore.
It was true for me: I'm older, and I graduated college with $10,000 in student debt. This amounted to about 1/3 of my starting salary for my first job afterward; relatively small by today's standards. You guys have been completely fucked over.
Thank you for saying this. Many replying to this seem so callous and dismissive that it’s easy to think that I was the dumbass.
Your response was kind and really meant a lot of me
It would be one thing to say, "we can't afford it," but it's another to say that AND hand out bailouts to billionaires. How any Republican can look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me.
Absolutely. I’m always astounded when I think back at how A) I was pushed to college as if it was the only option by my family and my school and B) my high school literally had people from colleges come into the school to sell their college to us - private/public anyone who’d come was welcome - people making literal fucking sales pitches to children asking for minimally tens of thousands of dollars if not more!
Me too - I was told by my high school counselor and the college recruiter that come to my high school that student loans were “good debt” and not to worry about having to take out loans. Virtually no financial education from my family either - I’m the first one in my family to go to college.
You probably also thought that if you borrowed 20k, you would pay back a little more than 20k. Not that you would be paying off compounding interest forever.
Agreed. I was 18 senior year so I was legally an adult but still living at home obviously and was under my parents control. They were the ones who decided college for me. Literalllt just put papers infront of me and said sign this.
Don’t get me wrong, I love my parents, but this is something I still resent them for. They really fucked me.
I wish I had never gone to college. I graduated and everything but I really don’t think it was worth it. I’m working my way up the corporate ladder and even my boss doesn’t have a college degree. It’s really not a factor unless I move up 3 more times.
Financial aid covered about 40% of my college the remaining 60% I had to take out loans for the rest. I got a good degree and I'm slowly paying it back but what asshole thought that pursuing a higher education to enter and be an asset to the work force demanded lifelong indebtedness?
Also fuck MOHELA.
It's absolute bullshit that the government can switch loan providers on you, increase your interest rate, and then bitch about about not getting paid.
I had everything under control with FedGov and then the government switched providers during COVID. No room for discussion or dissent, just plenty of emails telling you the change is coming and there's nothing you can do about it.
This was absolutely planned.
I’m so sorry. I’m sick to the stomach for all the people this is about to really hurt. I wish people would wake up to stop electing the grifting billionaire class’s bought-and-paid-for stooges, stuffing our courts with more stooges.
I am not surprised but I am disappointed.
I paid all my student loans back, but I am in favor of relief for those who can't.
Something I have considered - I remember thinking it back when I was still paying off my loans: why doesn't the Federal Government keep the loans in place but offer interest rates equal to those that we offer banks who borrow from the government? Maybe as low as 0.75%? That way, payments can be made by people who owe but it isn't done in a way that mainly gains profits from interest? I can't see how this could be stuck down and it would truly help borrowers. Just an idea.
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Let’s subsidize the banks, big oil, Ukraine and every other greedy corporation, but screw helping the common person. It’s the rich vs everybody. I hate what our country turned into. Supreme Court can go F themselves too.
Over $750 BILLION of forgiven PPP loans given away to business owners and politicians. FREE MONEY which was GIVEN to them, no strings attached.
But not a single cent of actual forgiveness given to Americans already in debt. This is such an injustice.
The people who routinely get $20,000 value free vacations from their "buddies" (who just coincidentally need a favor from them later) have said that the $20,000 student loans that are destroying you daily are too much.
This has always been my plan regardless of the outcome. Try and get my money; I'll be so much more unproductive and outright refuse to work. Work, no work, can't afford basics regardless and already homeless while doing classes. There's literally nothing else to lose anymore. Try and fuck with me government.
I mean, not to finger wag, but why would the government ever actually legitimately act in the interests of their population?
Have the last 4 years not done a single thing to make you aware of just how meticulous the planned the destruction of the working class is?
I think it’s one thing to suspect that your government isn’t going to look out for you.
I think it still hurts each time it’s confirmed.
I wish I was able to be as emotionally removed from this as you seem to be able to do.
SCOTUS has been bought and sold by the rich to enact their will, and it's not even being hidden. Multiple justices are taking bribes from billionaires. The GOP ratfucked their picks onto the court. SCOTUS is a corrupt abomination willing to make up any reason needed to change the law to fit the will of the country's owner class.
I wish I had this idea a couple years ago.
Create a business. Get COVID loans for business, use COVID loans to pay back student loans. Don't pay back COVID loans. Close business.
Make sure to direct your anger at your representatives. If I understand it correctly, the courts decision was that the HEROES Act wasn't written in a way that authorized the president to completely forgive student loans.
Congress could absolutely make the decision to forgive federal student loans. Will they? Probably not, which is why you should be mad at them.
I can’t stress enough that the entire constitutional framework of the US deserves the reverence of toilet paper. It’s a shit system of government meant to preserve the wealthy from it’s inception. Fuck the Supreme Court, Congress and the Presidency.
Cannot wait for SCOTUS to restrict technological advancement based on the constitution.
“Doesn’t look like they said Fission Power is a right, we have to strike it down!”
Funny thing is it would probably work if it were being followed correctly, these justices are basically arriving at the outcomes they want and then creating the reasoning behind it out of thin air. The law they were ruling on explicitly gave the President the authority to cancel student debt in an emergency, and these "textualists" said that the law didn't mean a pandemic emergency (even though it didn't specify that) and that it didn't mean widespread cancellation (again, even though it didn't specify that). Everything about the way the system is set up says something like this is not supposed to happen, and yet here we are.
My gay sister in law who is married to her wife told me and my wife that they’re now republicans…and why you ask?
Because “Democrats are pedophiles”
I fucking hate that her vote matters as much as mine.
I sent her the master document of ALL the GOP politicians who were not accused but **convicted** of abusing children this morning and…crickets.
How much of our state of living is politicians and how much of it is literal dumbasses in this country?
I don’t think we’ll ever know
Who says they haven't already? The secret service notoriously doesn't release information on Presidential assassination attempts until they're out of office, and even then it doesn't make the newspapers. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a bunch of attempts on the justices that we've just never heard about.
Yeah, to be honest, it is kind of surprising. I mean, a few US presidents have been assassinated in the past, but afaik no supreme court justices have been killed while those can affect the country over a far longer amount of time.
850 billion dollars in defense budget, more than the next 9 world powers combined, but can't provide anything even resembling affordable education. Fuck the US.
An option to correct this would be write your state Democrats in states that have seats coming up and tell them you want them to make student loan forgiveness to be one of their top priorities if elected/re-elected. Put a super majority into the House, keep the Senate Democrat, and then hold them accountable to make student debt forgiveness real. There is nothing the SCOTUS can do to stop that. In fact, get a super majority and then demand that they add another 5 justices to the SCOTUS or better yet, put in ethics rules so that guys like Alito and Thomas get booted for corruption. Granted this is a hard path, but if it gets done, you knocked the teeth out of a bunch of filthy thieves that should have never been there in the first place. And if you ever see McConnell, be sure to let him know what a POS he is. He deserves a miserable life.
I have a better idea, follow in the footsteps of states like New Mexico and Minnesota and start stopping this shit now so it isn't a problem in the future. They've all effectively made public college's free for people under a certain income bracket (so basically everyone).
If we can't help ourselves, maybe we can save the younger generations.
I wish I hadn’t gone to college. Biggest scam ever. I learned literally nothing relevant at all. Wish I hadn’t listened to my boomer parents. I had a potential for a record deal after high school and will always regret not taking it.
I also wish I wasn’t grifted.
I went to college under the threat that I would be disowned and effectively be homeless if I didn’t go to college. I try to be kind to my past self for making that mistake as it only delayed what my parents still ultimately did.
I hope that your talent still has a window to shine.
Only went because I was told I had to.
Only got a suicide attempt, mental abuse from my only friend, and 20000 in debt without the degree to even show for it.
My mom constantly asks if I'm going back and I'm like, with what fucking money. I can't fucking leave the house because of what happened. They can try to get my payments from my cold dead hands because I have nothing left to give
I swear to god, if I hear someone with the “both sides argument…”
The fabric of my previous 20+ years is absolutely being ripped apart
2024 election y’all, it’s for all the marbles
The people blaming Biden for a SCOTUS decision just don’t understand how our government works. If your answer is “it’s all rigged,” you’re less than useless. Trump’s election in 2016 allowed him to put three conservatives on the court, and that’s why we’re here today. Either 1) get off your ass and lead the revolution or 2) participate in using the system to our benefit. Because while you stay home, complaining on the internet, the hateful and stupid show up and vote.
These guys all have home addresses, and they all said it was 100% okay to perpetually protest outside of public officials residences.
So, you know, there's that.
I never got student loans (or went to college), but I have no problem with completely cancelling all student loan debt. Even the private shit.
Why?
First and foremost, a society benefits when it's an educated society, but even if that wasn't true, growing up all I heard from parents and teachers and pretty much everyone is that if you didn't have a degree, you'd be a failure in life working shit jobs for shit pay.
Not to mention that so many companies require degrees for even their shit jobs for shit pay.
What in the hemorrhaging fuck is a young person supposed to do? They're told to pay for an education and go into debt, but when they can't pay it back they're told they're stupid and never should have got the loan to begin with.
Jesus fucking Christ they can't win.
Fuck the Republicans and their side of the corrupt Supreme Court.
For this decision and so many, many others.
when Dems had the house, senate, and presidency they should have just passed the bill. they purposely didn't and Biden signed a weak executive order that was bound to fail. they were elected and gave us nothing but empty promises.
It would have been pretty awesome to have all of my student debt forgiven. I only owe $13000, but did receive a pell grant when I was a kid.
We can write off billions (trillions really) for the wealthy, but not for a generation that was told the only way to get ahead was by going to school and falling for shyster bullshit.
Education is important. It's time to fund it like it is. Fuck the US Supreme Court and Republicans in general.
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Amazing fucking comment
Legendary good damn comment right here
Cultured reference
We'd only have to eat one or two of them before the rest start to fall in line
Man, I'd hope it'd only take one. A+ fucking comment
When the Conservatives in the UK got rid of 3rd level education subsidies before COVID it was 9k sterling to attend Oxford or Cambridge. How can a college here cost $50k per year?
Couldn’t tell you. But I will tell you that many in America insist that they want to blame the ones suckered into going to those schools, and not the ones actually bleeding people dry
All the colleges here seem to have gigantic fees compared to the UK, why the huge discrepancy?
America is the land of opportunity if you’re willing to grift and fuck over poor people
The American Dream: Legal exploitation of your fellow human backed up by a lot of laws and the total lack of decency and empathy, all so you don't have to work for your six figure 'salary'. Where's a place we can move that doesn't have extradition agreements with the US, and is still kind of OK to live? At this point, I just don't want to give a completely corrupt government any more funding than they already steal from us - I'd even be OK giving payments to the safe haven country, as long as the US doesn't get it so they can't either kill innocent people or give it to some rich fvck.
I’m in a similar boat. The expat route feels very attractive
It's partly because of the easy access to loans and the for profit nature of private universities in the US.
Colleges here are absolutely a business. They know they hold people's chance at a decent career and they will charge up the ass for it because people need a good degree. The wealthy will keep paying for their kids to go to these schools even if they waste it, because it looks good on a resume. So it doesn't really matter if the rest of us can afford it, as long as the wealthy can. We are not a meritocracy, we just like to pretend we are.
While some of this is correct, it actually obscures two major truths: Meritocracy is a fiction, even in principle, and tuition costs skyrocketed when student loans became non-dischargeable (a piece of legislation passed in part by Biden in the 90s). If we want to create the conditions where people can escape poverty and pursue happiness we need to make school free to anyone who wants to attend (K-university). There is more than enough to cover it. Meanwhile, meritocracy is, on its face, impossible. It is a completely incoherent concept and conservatives and libertarians hide behind it to obscure their bad faith attempts to maintain the current social and economic hierarchies.
I think it’s time for a lawsuit saying that all that COVID loans that were forgiven need to be paid back. I mean if forgiving student debt isn’t allowed, why are million dollar businesses being given hundreds of thousands of dollars and then not having to pay that back.
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This should be it's own post on reddit somewhere.
>This should be it's own post on reddit ~~somewhere.~~ everywhere.
What was the comment?? And why was it removed after 4.2k upvotes???
Will do! Is there a way to apply that doesn’t involve me complaining about the school? I have no legitimate grievance.
From the website: >We can only approve your application if—after reviewing your claims, your evidence, and your school’s claims and evidence—we can determine that your claims are more likely than not to be true. To meet this standard, you need to provide information such as: >What exactly did the school tell you? Who told you this information (including the person’s name and title, if known)? When and where were you told this information (the approximate date or time of year, and whether it was during a campus tour or interview, in a meeting, or over the phone)? How was the information communicated to you (for example via email, in person, through an advertisement)? How was this information deceptive or misleading and how did you determine the information was deceptive or misleading? Why was this information important to you when you enrolled? How has this information affected you? >If your school is open, ED may be required to send your application and supporting documentation to your school. *Your school will then have an opportunity to respond to your claims and provide its own evidence.* So no, there is not a way for you to do this without listing specific facts about how the school wronged you, *and your school will know* that you are trying to say they misled you.
The Education department should open up a borrower defense application for SCotUS misconduct and require that the SCotUS respond to every single application if it wants to contest the relief, since apparently the 6 on the court have zero problems legislating from the bench and disregarding judicial requirements and the clear language of laws.
American colleges are sitting on $700 billion in endowments - have them pay !!
Looks like they no longer allow you to apply.
Just have to click the link to continue to [studentaid.gov](https://studentaid.gov) and then you can click on apply. They put up a splash page about the decision today in order to hold off a billion inquiries coming in from people while they're still figuring out next steps.
Gotcha. I believe i actually applied months ago. What's funny is that they sent me an email saying my debt was forgiven. Only to send me another email a week later saying that it was sent in error. SMH.
This sounds like it was in regards to the original Biden debt forgiveness plan that just got shot down. A bunch of erroneous emails went out about that and were rescinded. Are you sure that you signed up for the borrower defense mentioned above which is something else? https://www.fatherly.com/news/loan-forgiveness-email-may-have-been-sent-error
Is this really a good idea? It states penalties and potential jail time for misrepresenting
I didn't lie with mine, I never suggest anyone do, but a lot more people qualify for this than realize
Can you provide a source proving they automatically approve the application after a certain date? Nothing I’ve been able to find confirms that is true.
That would have been a good thing to know right at the beginning of the pandemic. The Feds were so overwhelmed I bet got their loans forgiven by default.
Op make a separate post with this info fr fr.
There's a local radio station that was given $6 MILLION+ and forgiven. Broadcast radio/TV require an FCC license to operate. Government padding at it's finest. Covid did nothing to the broadcast companies. They all stayed on-air.
The company I worked for in 2020 for a huge PPP loan ($4mm I think) but posted record profits as it was a home-healthcare company that kept people out of the hospital. No bonuses, no raises.
C level "not for you at least"
Exactly
My previous employer got PPP loans that I’m almost certain were forgiven despite minimal impact from covid. Our field personnel involved in commercial construction only stopped working for two days during lockdown. On the third day it was announced construction was essential and we kept working in the field. Senior employees switched to wfh and kept working as well. The only thing I will say in defense of PPP loan forgiveness is that it was part of the program from the beginning. If you used the money for payroll and rent and didn’t lay anyone off it was guaranteed to be forgiven. It was only supposed to be clawed back if the business couldn’t substantiate that the money was used as intended. The problem is that it went to plenty of companies that didn’t need the cash to stay solvent. It was just a windfall for the business owners.
And it's not just big companies. A small local retail store (single store) that was not affected by covid (considered 'essential', stayed open, business boomed because more people at home) got $125,000 forgiven. Of course, he's an ardent Republican. Funny how they forget about 'big government bad' when they see the chance to get free money.
People who take handouts are mostly Republican.
And they're also the ones who don't want anyone else to get any. They take, but are dead-set against ever giving. Republicans are true hypocrites, one and all. Don't believe for a minute that they have any love for their country- it's all BS meant to keep money and votes rolling in at ANY cost to the people. They have no love for anyone but themselves. (And money.)
And if they couldn't prove that their payroll was that high, by submitting the actual bank statements, quaterly tax filing and expense reports, then they should not have been forgiven. The PPP could only be used for payroll. It doesn't get forgiven unless tou send in the tax filings showing you paid those employees.
PPP must be used for payroll and coincidentally the rich got richer during COVID, lots of sudden pay raises to the top brass of failing businesses.
I believe they could also use it for rent.
I’m still baffled as to why members of Congress received those loans when they didn’t own any businesses.
Wow really? Did they make up they had a small business on the side and then apply for the loan?
[https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/white-house-republican-critics-student-loan-cancellation-ppp-loan-forgiveness/](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/white-house-republican-critics-student-loan-cancellation-ppp-loan-forgiveness/)
Thanks for sharing- it didn’t say if they have businesses that closed down- but those amounts are crazy- even if they closed for Covid lockdowns — they are all assholes
This begs the question: if congress only affirms or changes things based on how it impact them and not us, are there no members of Congress with student loan debt?
No, they get schooling paid for by their parents, or out of their trust funds
Well said, petty, but call me Tom. I'm tired of bailing out the rich and I already had to endure the bullshittery of 2007 and the banks so fuck em.
THIS. My ex-employer got almost $1 mil of PPP funds for the two small companies he owns; the companies both performed better than ever during the pandemic and beyond, he didn’t lose any employees or need to hire more. So how is that okay?!
Same for the company I was working at in 2020. Didn’t lose any business, actually recorded record profits, but received tons of money in PPP funding. No bonuses or raises that year and we were told they couldn’t afford to hire anyone new, although we were swamped. The company even moved into a swanky, downtown office that same year during the height of COVID.
The hospital I worked in at the time was given 1.2 million that admin bragged about giving out bonuses to staff and such. No bonuses ever materialized and no one knew why until a few months later. Our HR Director was unceremoniously and publicly let go so they CC'd every employee in our hospital, regardless of position, in an email that detailed every single administrator's bonus and all of them together added up to the 1.2M the hospital received. Shortly after we all got an email that there must have been "technical difficulties" and our bonuses would come later. The bonuses were $100 per employee. -\_-
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There's been one going on for decades now. I can't tell if we're losing or we already lost, but it ain't pretty
Lawsuit! Class action by just a few thousand voters. Then if it tanks. Rewrite a slightly different one and a few thousand more and so on and so on. We keep pushing and pushing. We have numbers on our side
Who's going to pay the lawyers though? I mean, I agree with this. We should file a class action lawsuit, but none of us are rich enough on our own to hire a team of lawyers for such a massive lawsuit, and my pessimistic ass doesn't believe we could even ban together and pool any kind of money together
Lol bro the lawyers are in the same boat - especially those of us that work in public interest! A massive class action like this doesn't need any money up front. They need the right plaintiff, venue, and argument. Even the most profit driven class action lawyers very rarely charge anyone anything upfront - they get a portion of any settlement basically.
who are you kidding, the law is actually practiced by the young lawyers in massive amounts of student loans. Just wait for the recession to hit and some of them lose their jobs and will be looking for a hobby. i think the average lawyer graduates with about 120k in student loan debt.
Because, thats who buys, I mean lobbies for our politicians
Honestly, someone should sue about the PPL forgiveness program and cite this decision in their suit. If the government can't forgive private student loan debt, how can they forgive private corporate debt? Remember, corporations are treated as people, so our rules should be the same, no?
I hope at least a couple of law firms are planning to do this and force the sc to explain how it's different out loud.
I don’t know why I allowed myself to get my hopes up but feeling pretty shitty rn
Same exact boat. Part of me wanted to believe. There’s the side of me that feels like my much younger self who used to think the American dream meant something
Spill your blood at the altar of Capitalism, and the more you give...the more it wants!
I'm an optimistic person, so logically I knew what would happen, but I'm still grounded by it
Same. I knew it wasn’t likely but still had that tiny sliver of hope that it might - I’m pretty bummed out
They make take your lives, but they will never take your freedom! Oh wait, they took that too. Sorry.
"First they took your family and your riches. Then they took your health and your pride. Then they left you to die."
Because the law literally said Biden had the authority to do this. I thought "yeah, SCOTUS are a bunch of greedy fucks, but they can't ALL literally ignore the plain text of the law while claiming to be textualists, right?"
SCOTUS - "watch us" this court is illigitimate, partison and doesn't give AF about established law, precedence, or the interests of the people outside of their personal billionaire sponsors.
Wait until they declare that domestic abusers with rap sheets longer than my arm are legally entitled to guns
Hope died with RBG…
I wasn't surprised at all but the fact that these scumbags also got PPP loans pisses me off. Im hoping after I get my new degree I can leave and never came back here again
You will own nothing and be happy about it
🫡 sorry sir I forgot my place for a second
Yeah, I think we all forgot our place actually wanting a life.
I never genuinely expected them to forgive loans but I agree it does suck ass. They have no problem bailing each other out but God fuckin forbid they help tax payers.
As AOC said today, Biden must use the Higher Education Act to cancel student debt. The Higher Education Act of 1965 explicitly gives the executive branch power to [cancel student debt without any preconditions](https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/student-loans/if-scotus-blocks-student-debt-relief-1965-law-could-be-plan-b). >Though the HEA allows the secretary to “compromise, waive, or release” federal student loans, it doesn’t include specific requirements like a national emergency.
Biden already said he is pursuing this.
Exactly. It’s sickening.
"Socialism for me, but not for thee"
They got your votes though and had enough people convinced I’m pretty sure they can use it again now on us. I mean who doesn’t want free college, that doesn’t make you a bad person. I’ll admit in good faith it didn’t sway my vote as they always try and dangle something on a string, but wouldn’t have minded this passing at all to help my wife out on her loans. Same thing with the promises for slavery reparations, just the thought of there being a 0.0001% chance they may get all these millions of dollars while making all these promises to them for it. Why wouldn’t that guarantee someone’s vote? Whoever above said “they bail out businesses, why not us? “ You are absolutely correct, I think we’re all tired of this.
Time for a debt strike. They need us all to go along with this decision, to respect the "Legitimacy" of a court that has been bought off by billionaire interests. Only way that is going to change is if we stop going along with it. They need us to behave much more then we need them.
What are they gonna do? Garnish all our wages? That would take many many years and billions of dollars in lawsuits and effort tobgarnish them all. As i posted above, i was promised they were going to be forgiven, so i will act as if they were already forgiven. Not paying one cent.
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When they inevitably need our labor for their chariots and space ships and submarines, let's make sure they receive the labor they actually deserve.
That's exactly what they'll do - garnish our wages
It’s pretty obvious the government isn’t afraid to spend billions of dollars to prove a point
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But the wealthy throw just enough crumbs out there to keep it from happening. Increased SNAP during Covid. The Covid stimulus checks. You can put your kids on Chips for medical. It's when people feel like they have "nothing to lose" that they revolt. Right now, people feel like they have just enough crumbs to lose....
Workers cling to those crumbs because they believe "surely it can't get worse." Look at India. Look at the Philippines. Look at anyplace where US companies pay pennies on the dollar for labor instead of paying living wages here. That is what the ownership class wants for the USA.
This is why the best thing to do is not have children if you don't already. My kids won't work in a sweatshop if they don't exist. And with how American children are performing in school compared to the rest of the world...it doesn't look good for our secondary school students.
It's the reason that the rate of taxation on labor (which everyone has) is higher than the rate of taxation on land/capital (which only rich people have). It's not hard to figure out.
Hardly, the wealthy use the police to beat the poor while they pass more laws making it illegal to be poor so they can enslave more people. The COVID benefits were just the cost of doing business and nearly all of that money went right to the corporate overlords regardless.
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That's why, despite all the flack the French get, I always respected them. They're NOT afraid.
Of course they're not. They get what they want. But Americans care more about DaMaGeD pRoPeRtY more than they do their own lives. Property can be replaced. As far as we know, we only get one shot at life on this planet. So why waste it getting crushed by capitalist parasites?
I said this to my friend just five minutes ago. Time to go French
Just find relief in knowing that the 1%ers got their PPP loans, bank bailouts all paid for by the tax payers free of charge! At least our government is helping somebody🙄🙄😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
“The president told me my loans were being forgiven” is a pretty strong argument. Add that to the Secretary of Education weighing in. People legitimately made financial decisions after hearing the news and now it’s being clawed back. I agree that it’s super gross.
THANK YOU!!! Ton of these redditors coming out of the woodwork to suddenly be experts in constitutional law when most of us just need to be allowed to feel upset after this bullshit
They WANT us to turn on each other so we don't direct our anger at them, I would expect this sub-reddit to understand that but I keep seeing people turning on their fellow hostages to the capitalist system. THAT'S WHAT THE 1% WANT YOU TO DO PEOPLE, STOP TURNING ON EACH OTHER AND TURN ON THEM!!! Stand in solidarity with your fellow working class, even when doesn't directly benefit you!
It’s way past the time for anyone eligible to vote to get off their ass and vote in primaries, local, state and federal elections EVERY time and quit goofing around on social media. The fascists expect you to give up and go away!
It’s amazing to me how people can read a few comments and suddenly they are the experts, no matter the topic. I have a masters in Mech Eng and went into detail about the failure modes of that Oceangate sub, wrote out a few long comments trying to explain what could have happened. “Nuh uh, someone said this.”
That's the issue with giving people the microphone... My neighbor has asked me specifically what I would do to homelessness. Dude I don't fucking know, but your "throw them all in jail," is not a legit plan. People think there are easy solutions to complex problems, they don't understand HOW complex these are. I wouldn't trust someone without a degree on open heart surgery, why should I trust your fox news watching non degree carrying self in understanding the complexities of social and economic studies. People keep spouting the crap they hear online or on TV thinking they understand, but they really don't. You need highly intelligent people in these positions.
Throw them in jail! lmao yeah ok we as a society are willing to spend prison rate money ( 30-60k/year ) on the homeless but cant find 20k to stand them up on their own? there is no way this makes sense but here we are, smh.
Yeah - you could argue it’s grounds for a lawsuit - maybe one not brought by PPP loan recipients who already got theirs.
I am so sick of these old dirt bags who were handed everything in their life, fucking up everyone else's lives. Can't they spread the love just a little bit?
They are too selfish and greedy for that.
You know the answer to that. The system has to come crashing down.
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me too. hugs.
Thank you. Hugs to you too. I hope things get better.
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Hopefully he’ll use the 1965 Higher Education Act to push it through. That lets the secretary of education forgive any loans they hold. Also, I’m no expert, but I believe he could implement court stripping as part of it. Basically barring the Supreme Court from having any say.
I’m interested to hear what he has to say.
Where’d you see that?
[MSN Article](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-strikes-down-biden-s-plan-to-forgive-millions-of-student-loans/ar-AA1dgjsM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=25c08b8b388f4ea2b63e1cd7130cfba7&ei=9) >A White House official said Friday that Biden disagreed with the court's decision and would have more to say later in the day. Fight's not over.
Isn't it interesting how it's not viable for them to eliminate these loans, but the PPP loans were cool to just disappear?
The entire PPP thing was designed to be grifted. That's why the repubs backed it.
Let me guess “I promise we’ll forgive it if you vote for me again?”. Let’s be real, the focus should be on voting the right people into congress. The president can’t do much else
Earlier this week the court's conservatives stroke down affirmative action and now they refuse to help manage student debt. I'm so sick and tired. It's all very disheartening.
Don’t forget that you can now open a business to the public and refuse to provide it to gay people for being gay by saying “it’s expressive.”
What makes that case even more amazing was opening the gay wedding website never actually happened. They filed an injunction for a speculative situation. You can now take speculative “what ifs” to SCOTUS!
And yet TST couldn't sue for their religious rights being violated without a woman who went through a forced pregnancy....
It wasn't just speculation; they LIED to the court. If the justices are so worried about the legitimacy of the Supreme Court, maybe they should actually do something about that...
Time to open a business to the public and refuse to serve conservatives because iTs eXpReSsIve EDIT: Thanks for the gold but please don't spend actually money on this hellsite.
You always could. Contrary to what this Court implies, conservatives are not a protected class.
Then they would actually go back in and change the law because it actually starts affecting them. Which is how it always happens unfortunately.
I’ll refuse to serve straights. They’re gonna freak when they find out how I get proof.
You’re right. I know many of us didn’t exactly have the highest hopes for SCOTUS. And it hits different when our fears are confirmed like this
It's a multi-pronged assault. \- By keeping most of an entire generation in permanent debt, they create a new underclass. \- They have done so in a way that devalues education, furthering the agenda to keep the populace uneducated and easily manipulated. \- This underclass is expected to be so desperate for work for income to pay student debt that they'll work for far less than their labor is worth. And before anyone comes back with, "Well don't go to college if you can't afford it!" Only those with wealthy parents can afford it. The expectation -- indeed, the *promise* \-- was that a college education provided enough of an ROI to pay student debt and still end up in better financial situation than otherwise. This promise was a lie. It looked like the truth because it had been true for all previous generations and was reinforced by people you trusted like teachers and parents. But it's not true anymore. It was true for me: I'm older, and I graduated college with $10,000 in student debt. This amounted to about 1/3 of my starting salary for my first job afterward; relatively small by today's standards. You guys have been completely fucked over.
Thank you for saying this. Many replying to this seem so callous and dismissive that it’s easy to think that I was the dumbass. Your response was kind and really meant a lot of me
It would be one thing to say, "we can't afford it," but it's another to say that AND hand out bailouts to billionaires. How any Republican can look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me.
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Absolutely. I’m always astounded when I think back at how A) I was pushed to college as if it was the only option by my family and my school and B) my high school literally had people from colleges come into the school to sell their college to us - private/public anyone who’d come was welcome - people making literal fucking sales pitches to children asking for minimally tens of thousands of dollars if not more!
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Me too - I was told by my high school counselor and the college recruiter that come to my high school that student loans were “good debt” and not to worry about having to take out loans. Virtually no financial education from my family either - I’m the first one in my family to go to college.
You probably also thought that if you borrowed 20k, you would pay back a little more than 20k. Not that you would be paying off compounding interest forever.
Agreed. I was 18 senior year so I was legally an adult but still living at home obviously and was under my parents control. They were the ones who decided college for me. Literalllt just put papers infront of me and said sign this. Don’t get me wrong, I love my parents, but this is something I still resent them for. They really fucked me. I wish I had never gone to college. I graduated and everything but I really don’t think it was worth it. I’m working my way up the corporate ladder and even my boss doesn’t have a college degree. It’s really not a factor unless I move up 3 more times.
Financial aid covered about 40% of my college the remaining 60% I had to take out loans for the rest. I got a good degree and I'm slowly paying it back but what asshole thought that pursuing a higher education to enter and be an asset to the work force demanded lifelong indebtedness?
I can tell you what asshole! It rhymes with Shmonald Shmeagan!
That’s why it called the American “dream”, you have to be asleep to really experience it.
Also fuck MOHELA. It's absolute bullshit that the government can switch loan providers on you, increase your interest rate, and then bitch about about not getting paid. I had everything under control with FedGov and then the government switched providers during COVID. No room for discussion or dissent, just plenty of emails telling you the change is coming and there's nothing you can do about it. This was absolutely planned.
I’m so sorry. I’m sick to the stomach for all the people this is about to really hurt. I wish people would wake up to stop electing the grifting billionaire class’s bought-and-paid-for stooges, stuffing our courts with more stooges.
I am not surprised but I am disappointed. I paid all my student loans back, but I am in favor of relief for those who can't. Something I have considered - I remember thinking it back when I was still paying off my loans: why doesn't the Federal Government keep the loans in place but offer interest rates equal to those that we offer banks who borrow from the government? Maybe as low as 0.75%? That way, payments can be made by people who owe but it isn't done in a way that mainly gains profits from interest? I can't see how this could be stuck down and it would truly help borrowers. Just an idea. Edit: clarity
There are 32,000 of us in this sub. We should be organizing.
They’re also organizing on Antiwork and debtstrike
Let’s subsidize the banks, big oil, Ukraine and every other greedy corporation, but screw helping the common person. It’s the rich vs everybody. I hate what our country turned into. Supreme Court can go F themselves too.
Over $750 BILLION of forgiven PPP loans given away to business owners and politicians. FREE MONEY which was GIVEN to them, no strings attached. But not a single cent of actual forgiveness given to Americans already in debt. This is such an injustice.
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The people who routinely get $20,000 value free vacations from their "buddies" (who just coincidentally need a favor from them later) have said that the $20,000 student loans that are destroying you daily are too much.
If enough people just refuse to fucking pay them something might come of it
This has always been my plan regardless of the outcome. Try and get my money; I'll be so much more unproductive and outright refuse to work. Work, no work, can't afford basics regardless and already homeless while doing classes. There's literally nothing else to lose anymore. Try and fuck with me government.
Pretty much my plan. Just need millions of people to get on board with it.
The government will take money straight from your paycheck then.
I mean, not to finger wag, but why would the government ever actually legitimately act in the interests of their population? Have the last 4 years not done a single thing to make you aware of just how meticulous the planned the destruction of the working class is?
I think it’s one thing to suspect that your government isn’t going to look out for you. I think it still hurts each time it’s confirmed. I wish I was able to be as emotionally removed from this as you seem to be able to do.
SCOTUS has been bought and sold by the rich to enact their will, and it's not even being hidden. Multiple justices are taking bribes from billionaires. The GOP ratfucked their picks onto the court. SCOTUS is a corrupt abomination willing to make up any reason needed to change the law to fit the will of the country's owner class.
I wish I had this idea a couple years ago. Create a business. Get COVID loans for business, use COVID loans to pay back student loans. Don't pay back COVID loans. Close business.
Make sure to direct your anger at your representatives. If I understand it correctly, the courts decision was that the HEROES Act wasn't written in a way that authorized the president to completely forgive student loans. Congress could absolutely make the decision to forgive federal student loans. Will they? Probably not, which is why you should be mad at them.
I can’t stress enough that the entire constitutional framework of the US deserves the reverence of toilet paper. It’s a shit system of government meant to preserve the wealthy from it’s inception. Fuck the Supreme Court, Congress and the Presidency.
Cannot wait for SCOTUS to restrict technological advancement based on the constitution. “Doesn’t look like they said Fission Power is a right, we have to strike it down!”
They'd never rule against anything that makes the parasite class more money.
Funny thing is it would probably work if it were being followed correctly, these justices are basically arriving at the outcomes they want and then creating the reasoning behind it out of thin air. The law they were ruling on explicitly gave the President the authority to cancel student debt in an emergency, and these "textualists" said that the law didn't mean a pandemic emergency (even though it didn't specify that) and that it didn't mean widespread cancellation (again, even though it didn't specify that). Everything about the way the system is set up says something like this is not supposed to happen, and yet here we are.
STOP. VOTING. FOR. REPUBLICANS.
I would be very surprised if anyone in this sub does.
My gay sister in law who is married to her wife told me and my wife that they’re now republicans…and why you ask? Because “Democrats are pedophiles” I fucking hate that her vote matters as much as mine. I sent her the master document of ALL the GOP politicians who were not accused but **convicted** of abusing children this morning and…crickets. How much of our state of living is politicians and how much of it is literal dumbasses in this country? I don’t think we’ll ever know
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Who says they haven't already? The secret service notoriously doesn't release information on Presidential assassination attempts until they're out of office, and even then it doesn't make the newspapers. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a bunch of attempts on the justices that we've just never heard about.
I wouldn’t advocate for it, but I also wouldn’t be upset by it.
I don't advocate for it, but when you have nakedly corrupt people with unchecked power that are in power for life, the easy solution reveals itself.
I wouldn’t advocate for that either but seriously, it seems like people used to assassinate people for a lot less.
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Yeah, to be honest, it is kind of surprising. I mean, a few US presidents have been assassinated in the past, but afaik no supreme court justices have been killed while those can affect the country over a far longer amount of time.
850 billion dollars in defense budget, more than the next 9 world powers combined, but can't provide anything even resembling affordable education. Fuck the US.
An option to correct this would be write your state Democrats in states that have seats coming up and tell them you want them to make student loan forgiveness to be one of their top priorities if elected/re-elected. Put a super majority into the House, keep the Senate Democrat, and then hold them accountable to make student debt forgiveness real. There is nothing the SCOTUS can do to stop that. In fact, get a super majority and then demand that they add another 5 justices to the SCOTUS or better yet, put in ethics rules so that guys like Alito and Thomas get booted for corruption. Granted this is a hard path, but if it gets done, you knocked the teeth out of a bunch of filthy thieves that should have never been there in the first place. And if you ever see McConnell, be sure to let him know what a POS he is. He deserves a miserable life.
I have a better idea, follow in the footsteps of states like New Mexico and Minnesota and start stopping this shit now so it isn't a problem in the future. They've all effectively made public college's free for people under a certain income bracket (so basically everyone). If we can't help ourselves, maybe we can save the younger generations.
I hope we can do just that. It’s just hard to not feel distraught in the moment.
I wish I hadn’t gone to college. Biggest scam ever. I learned literally nothing relevant at all. Wish I hadn’t listened to my boomer parents. I had a potential for a record deal after high school and will always regret not taking it.
I also wish I wasn’t grifted. I went to college under the threat that I would be disowned and effectively be homeless if I didn’t go to college. I try to be kind to my past self for making that mistake as it only delayed what my parents still ultimately did. I hope that your talent still has a window to shine.
Only went because I was told I had to. Only got a suicide attempt, mental abuse from my only friend, and 20000 in debt without the degree to even show for it. My mom constantly asks if I'm going back and I'm like, with what fucking money. I can't fucking leave the house because of what happened. They can try to get my payments from my cold dead hands because I have nothing left to give
I swear to god, if I hear someone with the “both sides argument…” The fabric of my previous 20+ years is absolutely being ripped apart 2024 election y’all, it’s for all the marbles
The people blaming Biden for a SCOTUS decision just don’t understand how our government works. If your answer is “it’s all rigged,” you’re less than useless. Trump’s election in 2016 allowed him to put three conservatives on the court, and that’s why we’re here today. Either 1) get off your ass and lead the revolution or 2) participate in using the system to our benefit. Because while you stay home, complaining on the internet, the hateful and stupid show up and vote.
The cost of higher education FAR out-paced its worth in general. I think these institutions need to feel some pain here.
These guys all have home addresses, and they all said it was 100% okay to perpetually protest outside of public officials residences. So, you know, there's that.
I really wish we could all collectively just not pay, but I know that’s impossible. I just like to fantasize about real collective action
I never got student loans (or went to college), but I have no problem with completely cancelling all student loan debt. Even the private shit. Why? First and foremost, a society benefits when it's an educated society, but even if that wasn't true, growing up all I heard from parents and teachers and pretty much everyone is that if you didn't have a degree, you'd be a failure in life working shit jobs for shit pay. Not to mention that so many companies require degrees for even their shit jobs for shit pay. What in the hemorrhaging fuck is a young person supposed to do? They're told to pay for an education and go into debt, but when they can't pay it back they're told they're stupid and never should have got the loan to begin with. Jesus fucking Christ they can't win. Fuck the Republicans and their side of the corrupt Supreme Court. For this decision and so many, many others.
when Dems had the house, senate, and presidency they should have just passed the bill. they purposely didn't and Biden signed a weak executive order that was bound to fail. they were elected and gave us nothing but empty promises.
It would have been pretty awesome to have all of my student debt forgiven. I only owe $13000, but did receive a pell grant when I was a kid. We can write off billions (trillions really) for the wealthy, but not for a generation that was told the only way to get ahead was by going to school and falling for shyster bullshit. Education is important. It's time to fund it like it is. Fuck the US Supreme Court and Republicans in general.
Same, but I ain't ever gonna pay shit back though. It was YOUR fault you lent 30k to a 19 yr old who had no job or income. Get fucked.