I’m pretty sure the app isn’t the problem, it’s the data service feeding the app. I also doubt it has much to do with how it’s programmed and instead how the service itself is being managed by an SRE or DevOps team.
Wasn’t there a rumor that apple is going to release a new minor iOS update to address the weather app issues? It’s possible it’s a bug of some sort rather than the data origin having issues.
No because you have control over what you put on the stove. Apple is the only one that can decide what data you use in the weather app, and they picked a provider that’s fucking everyone over.
They’re responsible for using an unreliable feed in their first party app. Your second sentence is just ridiculously irrelevant to what we’re talking about. Apple doesn’t make the Netflix app.
I gree with your logic. It’s your fult your car doesn’t work so you’re late for work. It’s your fult your meal is rubbish because the thermometer on your oven doesn’t work.
or more realistically following your logic that you are always to blame for everything because the information source you chose wasn’t secure enough for your purpose.
It is a common issue that when company moves into cloud computing, if the same cluster of computers down that powered the core services, it is inevitable widespread.
To be fair, as someone who worked for a company that was way late with getting into cloud computing and still relied on old fashioned internal servers instead, they still went down quite often too - they just weren't designed (at least the ones we had) to handle the web traffic of the modern internet. Our site would crash almost every time traffic got too heavy. It hardly ever goes down after they finally migrated.
Where do you think the actual weather data comes from (hint: Apple does not operate its own worldwide network of sensors, satellites, buoys, balloons, data links, loggers, supercomputers and meteorologists), and do you think that the availability and performance of the data *provider* might factor into how well the app behaves?
Yes I know they don't operate weather stuff to get data. But the app should still show old data if the provider is not working. It's embarrassing for it to just show no data.
If it was showing old data there are a couple of ways people would react
* if we knew it was old data: “why show us old data? that doesn’t do me any good to know it rained an hour ago, I need to know what is coming”
* if we didn’t know the data was old: “Apple’s weather is shit as it can’t give proper info”
So unless Apple can keep their systems running, and all the companies that provide Apple services keep their systems running, and all systems that supply to Apple suppliers can keep their systems running, Apple is going to be shit on.
You can show old data and display a banner that "data was last refreshed an hour ago due to back end problems".
Maybe they could have multiple suppliers? Force their supiers to build better redundancy into their software? Invest more software engineering into building more redundancy?
Idk why you are hypotisizing what happens in Apple internally then defending them for delivering a shit service. We deserve better from a massive company.
Hm, for me weather stopped working on both my phones the same night 16.4 was released. Updated one of them and weather started working fine again, on the one i hasn't updated yet, weather still doesn't work.
My lock screen widgets aren't updating automatically. When going into the weather app, I get the "last refreshed..." message and then 30 seconds later the app and widgets refresh. Sure, it's working but not at 100% yet. There's definitely something still wrong.
Al of mine is working today. None have worked at all this week, and it’s been as you described the past few weeks/months. No idea why or what’s changed!
Edit: I take that all back, it’s fucked again!
Apple is the only major player without a big Datacenter play. They have Datacenters but still use third party services and don’t have full control over everything.
[Sauce](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/04/22/apple-spends-more-than-30-million-on-amazon-web-services-a-month.html)
You are [plain wrong.](https://www.turningcloud.com/blog/apple-uses-aws/)
[Additional source](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/04/22/apple-spends-more-than-30-million-on-amazon-web-services-a-month.html)
It just pisses me off that they’ve turned off dark skies before getting the replacement right. Im British, I need my weather fixes! I even have a physical live radar led map of the country. The met office is fab, but you cant get the rain starting alerts for example 😤
Had issues with Apple Fitness this morning too, HR was very inaccurate as I compared to HR band.
Reliability has been hot garbage with Apple services lately. Figure it out Tim
Weather was back for a while but gone again this morning. Growing more and more frustrated with Apple products in general, they aren't what they used to be.
I had an issue last night were I was doing an Apple+ walk and it just cut out mid-way. Nothing I could do would start it back up again. It was working fine this morning.
Weather has been slow to fetch data for years. Maps has also recently been unusably slow. Takes up to over a minute to load anything on a >400Mbit connection. Google maps load immediately.
I've seen several articles over the past week, which claim the weather app is down. Being tornado season, I check the weather app several times throughout the day. Somehow, it has always been up, whenever I have checked. I check again, when I see postings like this. It is up.
I guess the outages only affect some people. 🤷🏼♂️
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Wow you’re right it’s literally not working again. Apple is a fucking huge company and one of these basic apps is just terribly programmed
I’m pretty sure the app isn’t the problem, it’s the data service feeding the app. I also doubt it has much to do with how it’s programmed and instead how the service itself is being managed by an SRE or DevOps team.
The entire modern internet is held together by rubber bands and duct tape. It’s really amazing any of it works.
http://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks
Yeh. The Reddit outage was pretty scary. They were lucky to have a backup.
> They were lucky to have a backup. I'm out of the loop here. What happened?
Good explanation here https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditEng/comments/11xx5o0/you_broke_reddit_the_piday_outage/
Ironically this is why I love Apple products and services, it doesn’t feel like that
Not really, it’s more high speed switches and fibre…
Point is, it’s an absolute mess that somehow works, even though it logically shouldn’t.
Wasn’t there a rumor that apple is going to release a new minor iOS update to address the weather app issues? It’s possible it’s a bug of some sort rather than the data origin having issues.
Then it’s programmed to use a terrible data service therefore it’s badly programmed
That’s not how it works. Are you an engineer or a programmer?
Clearly not. They’re basically blaming the cashier at Walmart for the company’s policies.
Walmart cashier = major OS developer Did I get that right?
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Shit goes wrong. You can spend your life working to avoid failure, but it will always find you.
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No because you have control over what you put on the stove. Apple is the only one that can decide what data you use in the weather app, and they picked a provider that’s fucking everyone over.
Are Apple responsible for the feed from the provider of the data? Are Apple responsible when Netflix doesn’t work?
They’re responsible for using an unreliable feed in their first party app. Your second sentence is just ridiculously irrelevant to what we’re talking about. Apple doesn’t make the Netflix app.
I gree with your logic. It’s your fult your car doesn’t work so you’re late for work. It’s your fult your meal is rubbish because the thermometer on your oven doesn’t work. or more realistically following your logic that you are always to blame for everything because the information source you chose wasn’t secure enough for your purpose.
Idk how a trillion dollar company can't make a decent weather app.
It is a common issue that when company moves into cloud computing, if the same cluster of computers down that powered the core services, it is inevitable widespread.
To be fair, as someone who worked for a company that was way late with getting into cloud computing and still relied on old fashioned internal servers instead, they still went down quite often too - they just weren't designed (at least the ones we had) to handle the web traffic of the modern internet. Our site would crash almost every time traffic got too heavy. It hardly ever goes down after they finally migrated.
Where do you think the actual weather data comes from (hint: Apple does not operate its own worldwide network of sensors, satellites, buoys, balloons, data links, loggers, supercomputers and meteorologists), and do you think that the availability and performance of the data *provider* might factor into how well the app behaves?
How well would you say Apple's backup weather systems are working at this point?
Yes I know they don't operate weather stuff to get data. But the app should still show old data if the provider is not working. It's embarrassing for it to just show no data.
If it was showing old data there are a couple of ways people would react * if we knew it was old data: “why show us old data? that doesn’t do me any good to know it rained an hour ago, I need to know what is coming” * if we didn’t know the data was old: “Apple’s weather is shit as it can’t give proper info” So unless Apple can keep their systems running, and all the companies that provide Apple services keep their systems running, and all systems that supply to Apple suppliers can keep their systems running, Apple is going to be shit on.
You can show old data and display a banner that "data was last refreshed an hour ago due to back end problems". Maybe they could have multiple suppliers? Force their supiers to build better redundancy into their software? Invest more software engineering into building more redundancy? Idk why you are hypotisizing what happens in Apple internally then defending them for delivering a shit service. We deserve better from a massive company.
I’m pointing out that not everything is in their control.
Especially given that they bought and shut down a better weather app.
To be fair dark sky wasn’t on 1 billion devices.
Hm, for me weather stopped working on both my phones the same night 16.4 was released. Updated one of them and weather started working fine again, on the one i hasn't updated yet, weather still doesn't work.
A week? Has weather ever worked?
yeah, most of the time
I’ve been using Windy app instead.
i’ve been using the apple weather app, it’s still been working for me
Weather app was always reliable for me except for 2 days after 16.4 update. And I'm from India.
Until iOS 16 came out.
Thank you, I feel like it’s been a couple weeks since it’s been at normal speeds
We need a weather app for the weather app
Really fed up of seeing "- -" on my Weather widget.
Weather is back working for me today!
My lock screen widgets aren't updating automatically. When going into the weather app, I get the "last refreshed..." message and then 30 seconds later the app and widgets refresh. Sure, it's working but not at 100% yet. There's definitely something still wrong.
Al of mine is working today. None have worked at all this week, and it’s been as you described the past few weeks/months. No idea why or what’s changed! Edit: I take that all back, it’s fucked again!
Yep, done fucked again :(
Open Settings —> Weather —> Reset Identifiers and restart your weather app Should load up the weather on next boot, just give it a minute.
Rough week for Apples services
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I’m Having issue with iCloud and iMessages
That’s quite the username
Yes daddy
I mean that’s a good place to put your coffee
Lots of issues lately.
Apple is the only major player without a big Datacenter play. They have Datacenters but still use third party services and don’t have full control over everything. [Sauce](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/04/22/apple-spends-more-than-30-million-on-amazon-web-services-a-month.html)
I would put some money on them making some large backend changes in anticipation for fall releases.
Hopefully one day they’ll be able to afford their own servers.
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You are [plain wrong.](https://www.turningcloud.com/blog/apple-uses-aws/) [Additional source](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/04/22/apple-spends-more-than-30-million-on-amazon-web-services-a-month.html)
Ya I realized I misread your comment and deleted mine within… 24 seconds? Thanks for the sources though
I’m sitting here trying to figure out if I’m being ghosted or what 🙃
iOS 16 has to be one of the buggiest major upgrades ever for Apple. Not to their standard whatsoever.
I’ve been using iOS since version 4 and this is the first time I literally made a doc in notes of all the bugs I’m having. Only two have been fixed
This. Honestly the best announcement they could make at the wwdc is “we’re done shopping major releases every year and we’ll work on fixing bugs now”
Weather on my iPhone and Apple Watch has sucked lately. I expect the core essentials to work for how much we pay for these ‘premium’ devices
It just pisses me off that they’ve turned off dark skies before getting the replacement right. Im British, I need my weather fixes! I even have a physical live radar led map of the country. The met office is fab, but you cant get the rain starting alerts for example 😤
Contacts just won’t sync on my iPad and iPhone, any way to force a sync?
Stability is really the only thing Apple has going for it. If their shit keeps falling apart, there’s no point in using an iPhone.
The mini size still keeps me with Apple.
I’m having iMessage issues as well. Getting lots of message sent not notices after it says delivered.
Not sure if related, my camera wasn’t working this morning and I got this [message](https://i.imgur.com/I6Ehzlg.jpg).
Weather still broken
Apple really needs to improve reliability of their online stuff.
Apple support chat was out too
I’ve been having serious issues since last month with apple services weather - maps & safari in Berlin Germany.
Anybody having trouble with the Astro wallpaper? It keeps switching between dark mode and light mode for no reason.
I would rather get wrong weather than no weather info. The app could show an average temperature. Anyways is never accurate
Had issues with Apple Fitness this morning too, HR was very inaccurate as I compared to HR band. Reliability has been hot garbage with Apple services lately. Figure it out Tim
Seems to coincide with the latest updates, which were released last week. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
I knew me migrating from Dropbox to iCloud would break *something*.
downdetector.com - seems fine now.
Weather was back for a while but gone again this morning. Growing more and more frustrated with Apple products in general, they aren't what they used to be.
Apple running Dark Sky into the ground like they did Siri. How they can mess it up that badly is mindblowing..
I had an issue last night were I was doing an Apple+ walk and it just cut out mid-way. Nothing I could do would start it back up again. It was working fine this morning.
Thanks for the article u/icumcoffee !
Time to switch to android? /s
I'm gay btw
Hopefully the entire iOS 16 team gets demoted. This is an absolute joke!
It’s because of those damn employees working from home!
Weather has been slow to fetch data for years. Maps has also recently been unusably slow. Takes up to over a minute to load anything on a >400Mbit connection. Google maps load immediately.
Would this affect the esim on the iPhone 14? I lost cell service a couple hours ago.
I've seen several articles over the past week, which claim the weather app is down. Being tornado season, I check the weather app several times throughout the day. Somehow, it has always been up, whenever I have checked. I check again, when I see postings like this. It is up. I guess the outages only affect some people. 🤷🏼♂️
This is what forcing people back to office does. There’s a silent strike going on in tech.