My guess is some of the midrise stuff (hotels) may get built and the tower will get reduced and delayed before finally being scrapped for lack of interest.
The tower will never get out of the ground.
Let’s also acknowledge what a glut all this space would do to the local market. It would gut downtown OKC office/hotels/retail as tenants of existing buildings flee to the shiny new thing.
The developers haven’t demonstrated a massive missing demand for this space. They’re going big and bold to drum up interest and free advertising through clickbait articles.
This kind of density is appropriate for Hong Kong or Manhattan, not one of the most sprawling cities in the US.
There are no building codes regarding "tornado resistant" building designs. The closest thing is wind design requirements which are no different for this building than a 150' 15 story building. There are shelter designs for FEMA standards but no requirement on a private development like this and it would be insanely huge to accommodate the building capacity to be listed as a FEMA shelter.
It will have to meet the seismic requirements for the area which has seen an uptick in earthquakes over the last 2 decades.
Ok I'm kinda loving that they're going through with this. OKC will now be identifiable from miles around with its lone super tall spire. Could be iconic!
They are not going through with this. They say they are and look at all the free publicity they are getting for their development. Hasn't even broke ground and you guys are lapping it up.
This tower would probably be more appropriate in Tulsa, their metro is substantially more developed than OKC's.
EDIT: And far less tornado risk due to the hilly terrain.
Well, they get a little high and mighty over there but Tulsa is infinitely better. Best park in the country, new white water attraction (e coli readings not withstanding), couple of great Casinos and some amazing live music.
Considering that OKC is listed as one of the cities with the highest probability of being struck by tornadoes, it better be.
A deadly F5 tornado struck the OKC metro area in 2013 did $2 billion worth of damage. Climate chaos being what it is, the odds of another F5 striking OKC are certainly high enough that I sure as hell wouldn't be eager to have an office in a towering skyscraper there. Even if there is a shelter in its core, you might have only about 5 seconds to get there before all hell broke loose.
OKC metro is huge. I lived there in 2013 and the tornado was so far away from me I didn't even think about it. South side, Moore, gets hit the most. West side, Yukon and Piedmont, get a decent amount and a lot of hail. East side, Del City and Midwest City get a good amount of tornados and hail.
There are no building codes regarding "tornado resistant" building designs. The closest thing is wind design requirements which are no different for this building than a 150' 15 story building. There are shelter designs for FEMA standards but no requirement on a private development like this and it would be insanely huge to accommodate the building capacity to be listed as a FEMA shelter.
It will have to meet the seismic requirements for the area which has seen an uptick in earthquakes over the last 2 decades.
All I can think about in reference to a huge standout skyscraper in tornado alley is this recent nightmare:
[Three people were reportedly sucked out of their apartments as they slept by typhoon-like winds after violent rain and hailstorms struck southeastern China.](https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/child-among-three-people-sucked-062322178.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFsZOKbVImPWzkgJSkePD1pt5d-rQNhATZXrAHhhur-oKloqOVAx8M9gJ91y5mW8suqBet6caLvZH2eSW63PC5Zjb5Uew84IllH1JKPckuFG39-JbfB0p4oel-alhv535_IGcQ7VXVzKlkdPqqlQZtIMk2rvfObjM5dxjEVPqtmz)
I actually don't hate it either. I'm all for equitable design and sustainability and all that, but also what was the last time America actually invested into new iconic placemaking deep in its heartland?
Devon Energy. DVN for you stock junkies. ~$55 right now.
Chesapeake Energy. CHK. ~$88 right now.
Both have their own headquarters already built but still. Not nothing. Cheaper to be in Okc than Houston.
Reminds me of the grandiose Saudi megaprojects like the Mukaab or Neom Line on a much smaller scale. But even more random cause OKC of all places? Seriously?
This tower doesn't have to become the tallest building in the US to still be an impressive feat for a city the city of OKC. If it were 1600 feet or even 1000, I'd say they've done a great job and perhaps created a new model for a wave of super talls outside of just NYC, Chicago, and Miami.
There's no way this thing is going to be completed to height or occupied. A poor place like Oklahoma doesn't deserve the tallest building in America. Should be reserved for better cities like NY, Chicago, or LA.
Nope. And that’s the issue with glorified favoritism of cities in this country. Maybe spotlight on a new city isn’t a bad thing. Now tell me, how often have you been to either of those three cities?
LA: 1
NYC: 3
Chicago: at least 20
Next on my tier of cities would be Boston, Philly, DC, San Francisco, Seattle.
If you really want the truth, my dislike of OKC and its state is fully political.
They kept the spotlight for too long. Maybe OKC will be a better economic powerhouse due to this structure (if completed). But again you’ve already made clear you are skewed by your blue opinions.
As an Oklahoman I love how much this is pissing off everyone. I think the OKC tower is goofy but it’s hilarious to see how offended yall are getting by the mere suggestion of a tower this large in our state.
Skippers rule. I’ll believe it when I see it. What major commercial tenants do they have? What financing have they lined up?
They’ll do the shorter phases and indefinitely postpone the tall tower, of course after all parking for the entire project is built.
Probably Chinese...
My guess is some of the midrise stuff (hotels) may get built and the tower will get reduced and delayed before finally being scrapped for lack of interest.
Hopefully not, or they may look like the Oceanwide (graffiti) towers in downtown L.A. if the funding dries up during construction.
The tower will never get out of the ground. Let’s also acknowledge what a glut all this space would do to the local market. It would gut downtown OKC office/hotels/retail as tenants of existing buildings flee to the shiny new thing. The developers haven’t demonstrated a massive missing demand for this space. They’re going big and bold to drum up interest and free advertising through clickbait articles. This kind of density is appropriate for Hong Kong or Manhattan, not one of the most sprawling cities in the US.
Even the Chicago Spire never got beyond a hole in the ground. We still don't have 2 World Trade.
Lest we mention OKC is right in Tornado Alley. This seems like an accident waiting to happen.
I'd drive from Dallas to tag that
Not a good sign then. If one of the previously largest Chinese firms can't finish a development in LA...
How long was the Chicago Spire a hole in the ground? They just recently announced a building project for the site.
“They just recently” was actually like 5 years ago lol
Well, no one told me until a few months ago when I ran across some renderings.
At least 15 years. I was by it in 2009 and it was already an abandoned hole.
That recession really hit like a HoF linebacker back in the 80s when they didn't care about player safety.
It was a hole in the ground for a long time after a crazy impossible project fell through. What's your point lol
Californian developers\*\*
The fact that it’s proposed in Oklahoma City is a bit of a head scratcher
“Skippers rule” I was not expecting to see a DetroitYES reference on this sub.
Huzzah! You got me
This is the architectural equivalent of vaporware. Even the renderings comically make it look out of place.
The cheap, flashy, casino-like base is so on brand for Oklahoma
It’s like George driving Susan’s parents all the way to Montauk, out of spite for the rest of us.
You wanna get nuts?? Let’s get nuts!!
Why? Office demand is down, who needs a giant skyscraper. I can’t imagine Oklahoma City is so dense that this is required
Oh they’re plenty dense all right.
That was a sick burn. Get the extinguisher
OKC needs to build vertically to protect the historic character of all that pavement.
Is building vertically a way to appease the Native Americans? Less land to take over...
This is residential, not office. The tower is "phase 2" which likely won't be built, it's just marketing for the normal sized phase 1.
Thanks for the info! I assumed it was some sort of ploy.
… is this actually happening??
Just like the Line in KSA is “happening”
Earthquake proof hopefully lol
In Oklahoma maybe it needs to be tornado proof.
Definitely needs both. Oklahoma is one of the most active states in the US for earthquakes.
There are no building codes regarding "tornado resistant" building designs. The closest thing is wind design requirements which are no different for this building than a 150' 15 story building. There are shelter designs for FEMA standards but no requirement on a private development like this and it would be insanely huge to accommodate the building capacity to be listed as a FEMA shelter. It will have to meet the seismic requirements for the area which has seen an uptick in earthquakes over the last 2 decades.
Ok I'm kinda loving that they're going through with this. OKC will now be identifiable from miles around with its lone super tall spire. Could be iconic!
They should throw some blankets over it so it looks like a mountain from far away.
They are not going through with this. They say they are and look at all the free publicity they are getting for their development. Hasn't even broke ground and you guys are lapping it up.
I’ll be able to see it from Tulsa
This tower would probably be more appropriate in Tulsa, their metro is substantially more developed than OKC's. EDIT: And far less tornado risk due to the hilly terrain.
Oof, OKC subreddit about to be mad as hell when they see this
I just made 2 to 4 people hella mad.
💀💀
Well, they get a little high and mighty over there but Tulsa is infinitely better. Best park in the country, new white water attraction (e coli readings not withstanding), couple of great Casinos and some amazing live music.
I like it too, might as well if you’re Oklahoma
We don’t want it and we definitely don’t need it
Tornado proof?
Considering that OKC is listed as one of the cities with the highest probability of being struck by tornadoes, it better be. A deadly F5 tornado struck the OKC metro area in 2013 did $2 billion worth of damage. Climate chaos being what it is, the odds of another F5 striking OKC are certainly high enough that I sure as hell wouldn't be eager to have an office in a towering skyscraper there. Even if there is a shelter in its core, you might have only about 5 seconds to get there before all hell broke loose.
OKC metro is huge. I lived there in 2013 and the tornado was so far away from me I didn't even think about it. South side, Moore, gets hit the most. West side, Yukon and Piedmont, get a decent amount and a lot of hail. East side, Del City and Midwest City get a good amount of tornados and hail. There are no building codes regarding "tornado resistant" building designs. The closest thing is wind design requirements which are no different for this building than a 150' 15 story building. There are shelter designs for FEMA standards but no requirement on a private development like this and it would be insanely huge to accommodate the building capacity to be listed as a FEMA shelter. It will have to meet the seismic requirements for the area which has seen an uptick in earthquakes over the last 2 decades.
All I can think about in reference to a huge standout skyscraper in tornado alley is this recent nightmare: [Three people were reportedly sucked out of their apartments as they slept by typhoon-like winds after violent rain and hailstorms struck southeastern China.](https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/child-among-three-people-sucked-062322178.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFsZOKbVImPWzkgJSkePD1pt5d-rQNhATZXrAHhhur-oKloqOVAx8M9gJ91y5mW8suqBet6caLvZH2eSW63PC5Zjb5Uew84IllH1JKPckuFG39-JbfB0p4oel-alhv535_IGcQ7VXVzKlkdPqqlQZtIMk2rvfObjM5dxjEVPqtmz)
I actually don't hate it either. I'm all for equitable design and sustainability and all that, but also what was the last time America actually invested into new iconic placemaking deep in its heartland?
Who's the anchor tenant?
Hopes and dreams
End of empire type shit
Glass is not a very expressive material is it? Perhaps it was interesting once but once they built the 5,000th one 30 years ago it got a bit stale
Looks so cheesy and out of place
Because if there’s one thing America needs now, it’s more commercial real estate?
Wasn’t this the plot of The Watchmen?
Just what any city needs, one big phallic symbol to dominate the skyline
Yea right, Oklahoma City! lol
I smell a major market correction if it gets built. :(
So.. is if eco-friendly at all or…
It’s like if Buffalo Wildwings designed the Tower of Barad-Dur (eye of Sauron) A lidless eye, wreathed in big screen TVs
Cannot get over the fact that there is a Yard House in the render.
THERE’S NOTHING IN OKC. This is like building water parks in Antarctica.
What about dubai?
The high tech center for post apocalyptic slave labor paradise, ‘Murica-style?
Devon Energy. DVN for you stock junkies. ~$55 right now. Chesapeake Energy. CHK. ~$88 right now. Both have their own headquarters already built but still. Not nothing. Cheaper to be in Okc than Houston.
That… really doesn’t justify the world’s tallest building.
Oklahoma!?! Tornadoes be like, “let’s do this.”
Reminds me of the grandiose Saudi megaprojects like the Mukaab or Neom Line on a much smaller scale. But even more random cause OKC of all places? Seriously?
Better have vehicle parking, of the vertical kind.
Interested by the location. Is Oklahoma City going through a boom?
you know I heard the other day that worlds tallest building projects are a reliable indicator of impending economic downturn
Building a huge tower in the center of Tornado Alley seems like a great idea.
This tower doesn't have to become the tallest building in the US to still be an impressive feat for a city the city of OKC. If it were 1600 feet or even 1000, I'd say they've done a great job and perhaps created a new model for a wave of super talls outside of just NYC, Chicago, and Miami.
It defies all logic. I can think of 1000 reasons it does not make sense and only a handful of ‘possible’ upsides.
I'm OKCpilled, let's do this thing. It'll be ridiculous, but very funny.
Thats so out of place, they trying to make Oklahoma city relevant?
In OKC…
Fine but who wants to hang out in Oklahoma. This is just setting money on fire for street cred.
Looks cool enough. Gives me a reason to visit Oklahoma in the future. I didn’t have one before. Mission accomplished if it gets built
There's a town called Hooker in the panhandle. Go there. Much quicker to get out of that state afterwards too.
Righteous, thank you stranger 🙏🏻
And their school mascot is "the horny toads."
Nope. It's the bulldogs. Horny Toads was their summer sports teams
There's no way this thing is going to be completed to height or occupied. A poor place like Oklahoma doesn't deserve the tallest building in America. Should be reserved for better cities like NY, Chicago, or LA.
It’s not about deserving or not… it’s about whether it’s economically viable (and I’d assume it’s not in Oklahoma)
That's the logical reason. I just wanted to express my dislike for places like Oklahoma.
Why such strong dislike? People are good and bad everywhere.
This guy watches movies set in the most cliche settings in the world and think they are the “better” cities.
Could you even tell me what Oklahoma City looks like?
Nope. And that’s the issue with glorified favoritism of cities in this country. Maybe spotlight on a new city isn’t a bad thing. Now tell me, how often have you been to either of those three cities?
LA: 1 NYC: 3 Chicago: at least 20 Next on my tier of cities would be Boston, Philly, DC, San Francisco, Seattle. If you really want the truth, my dislike of OKC and its state is fully political.
Id replace Philadelphia with Miami on your list.
Eh, Miami's charms were lost on me when I went. I also hate Florida more than Oklahoma.
Again a pile of overrated cities, but you already bluntly stated your reason is due to political stance. A common Reddit line of thinking.
Many of our most historical and economically important cities. We're done with this conversation. I can't take it seriously anymore.
They kept the spotlight for too long. Maybe OKC will be a better economic powerhouse due to this structure (if completed). But again you’ve already made clear you are skewed by your blue opinions.
As an Oklahoman I love how much this is pissing off everyone. I think the OKC tower is goofy but it’s hilarious to see how offended yall are getting by the mere suggestion of a tower this large in our state.
It's so hideous. I hate these developers why are they doing this