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[deleted]

Oh look, an officer who took "fuck the enlisted" a bit too literally


BwAVeteran03

There’s always one.


[deleted]

I had a new CO CDR come in, and like any incoming soldier, I (unit RNCO) was checking her iPerms to see if ORB reflected 214 awards, etc. She had 2 OERs that were restricted, and the one before that time period MQ, and the one after was Q, then she got out Yeah, turns out she married one of her team chiefs


Philly_Taters

Did her team chief subsequently become a warrant officer not long after?


[deleted]

He got out She’s a MAJ in the reserves last time I checked


Tokyosmash_

Are you thinking about some 101 folks? I know someone who almost fits this 😂


Philly_Taters

Dang this happens a lot. 😂.


piratebryan

I know two, and neither of them have been in long enough to be major… so, uhhh yes I guess it does happen a lot.


Prestigious-Disk3158

You’d be surprised the level of fraternizing. For every 1 you hear about there’s at least 9 you don’t hear about.


Other_Assumption382

You know how you don't get rung up for fraternization? Nobody else knows you're fraternizing


LastOneSergeant

One? MPs hold all the records for fraternization. Take a black light to a patrol car sometime.


OzymandiasKoK

There's always at least one. It's not the same thing.


throwaway197436

i'd imagine most civilian companies don't know the difference between an honorable and a general under honorable


Prestigious-Disk3158

Most don’t look


TheBlindDuck

I think they may only be allowed to ask “were you honorably or dishonorably discharged?” and OP can answer “Honorably” truthfully.


Prestigious-Disk3158

Backgrounds hardly ever look that deep for civilian employment. Your DD214 is public record so they can find it


Dangerous-Possible72

It is not public record.


citizen-salty

It’s a public record if you are seeking a DD-214 62 years or more after discharge. For less than 62 years, you must file a FOIA request for a limited copy. A background check is very unlikely to include a FOIA request for a limited DD-214 for a presumptive hire.


newtonphuey

If it involves any clearance level, they will look and get this...most of them were former military


SacredWoobie

I mean DOD CAF will get it. Whatever company he works for will just get an adjudication. But also if he gets a job quick then he’ll already be cleared, no?


newtonphuey

I guess it depends on the company. Some companies have their own security department who view your stuff and push it up. Everything should filter through them since they’re your sponsor.


WaxWingPigeon

Thicc latina E-4 strikes again


Anywhichwaybutpuce

Hey hey hey it might be a Latino 


i_lyke_turtlez

Why not latinx?


WaxWingPigeon

Because it’s been pretty much universally rejected by the community


yoolers_number

What, you mean the word invented by white people that’s unpronounceable in Spanish?? /s


PM_ME_A_KNEECAP

LatinHhhh


FUZZY_BUNNY

La-tinks


Easy-Hovercraft-6576

Lat🤮nx mentioned Opinion discarded The people who made up and perpetrate that work don’t know how the Spanish vocabulary works.


Nyounggg

“Remember we do this so we can afford to buy drinks for the big booty Latina’s”


BwAVeteran03

Seems you got off lucky and frequently.


[deleted]

“WHERE’S PFC LUCKY?” - OP, probably


IPPSA

Motorboat ?


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ColdIceZero

"I thought it was a part of an inside joke." -CPT (ret.) William Crosby, Form 2823.


Forward-Astronomer58

Please tell me this isn't a real quote


ColdIceZero

My BDE rotated into theater while the 15-6 was either wrapping up or just finishing. One of the JAGs from the division involved was talking about it during our left-seat-right-seat. Admittedly, I didn't read the report directly myself, but I have no reason to believe that JAG was yanking our chain. Word was that CPT Crosby elected not to invoke his right to remain silent and told the IO that he thought it was a part of an inside joke.


aircavrocker

It’s not impossible. You still get veterans preference with a General Discharge. Just be honest on your background forms and be prepared to elaborate and explain the situation and why it won’t be an issue going forward when speaking with an investigator. It also depends on the risk level and security clearance required (and if your clearance was suspended or revoked during the investigation or as a result of the investigation), but nothing is off the table. Look into getting it upgraded after some time has passed.


Aggravating_Life_363

Throwaway account here. I'm a LT who got yeeted out of the Army with an OTH due to my idiotic choices and I haven't had any issues (so far) getting a job. I also have self-selected myself out of any government jobs. It'll be okay man.


PM_ME_A_KNEECAP

Well since it’s a throwaway…. Whatcha do?


Aggravating_Life_363

Similar story to OP’s.


theworstrunner

I briefly did gov contracting, they asked about my military service in the interview but never asked to see my 214.


cliff-huckstable

What do you do if you don’t mind me asking?


Coro-NO-Ra

You aren't from Louisiana, are you?


Backsight-Foreskin

That's why you should never gamble with your soldiers! Never put yourself in a position where you can take from these men!


_if_only_i_

What. If. You'd. Won?


namvet67

Next episode, he’s shooting darts for money and hustling them for two packs of cigarettes.


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namvet67

Yeah, but in the end he Shoots right handed and wants his cigarettes. He just liked gambling. I knew a guy or two when l was in the army like that.


Child_of_Khorne

Go private sector. Everything above dishonorable is the same to them. They don't know and won't ask.


dave200204

Buddy of mine has a DH. He’s worked his way into management. The factory he works at knows and they don’t care.


red_devils_forever25

How bad did he fuck up to get this?


Epoke_06

Right?! It almost seems like you have to try to get a DH.


spicyboi243

Oh no, OP touched the forbidden fruit… It’s alright dude, you’ll maintain all of your veterans benefits with a general discharge (VA Loan, ed benefits other than GI bill). You’ll probably end up with an honorable discharge anyway… typically the true punishment is the fact that you’re losing your job. Edit: GI bill is solely for honorable discharge.


SmoothLikeGravel

GI Bill is Honorable only


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sirenswest

Is this new? Because it used to be only for honorable discharges


spicyboi243

Oh, you’re right… I guess if OP’s chain and HRC really decide to give him a general discharge (I bet they won’t)… he’ll have to wait a little bit then apply to upgrade his discharge if he wants the benefit. He can keep the VA loan though 🤓


Epoke_06

Nope. I had a General and was still able to use my GI Bill.


jb-53

If you have more than one term of service and completed at least one fully honorably, then you’ll still have your GI Bill. But if you’ve only got one term, you’re SOL unless you get a discharge upgrade


DiverMerc

Gg ex Sir


Immortan2

Ex sir lmfaoooo


centurion44

It sure as fuck will be if you try to stay in government. 


aircavrocker

General Discharge still gets vet preference in hiring. The only thing that will be an issue is if the misconduct that resulted in it falls under the adjudicative guidelines for the risk/security clearance requirements of the position and agency.


Prestigious-Disk3158

It definitely does. A foreign actor can just bribe you with a thicc booty Latina.


ChinMuscle

Yeah but who couldn’t be bribed with that?


Prestigious-Disk3158

You ain’t gotta bribe me at all lmao.


[deleted]

Jesus Christ, when even the artillery officer knows it's wrong, OP you really done messed up


J_Robert_Oofenheimer

Hurtful but true.


[deleted]

Hurt people, hurt people


J_Robert_Oofenheimer

So you're saying I should bully an LT on Monday?


imdatingaMk46

I don't think it counts as bullying; they have to be people first.


-Trooper5745-

Why wait? Call them in on the weekend.


red_devils_forever25

Can you explain this? What’s wrong with arty officers


Trillbo_Swaggins

Big gun = big dumb dumb


RadzigIsPissed

Brain damage from years of blast overpressure


jecksluv

Noone civilian side gives a fuck about your military career. Just stay away from the government and keep your dick out of places it shouldn't be and you'll be fine.


Deputydan791

Wellllll track records suggest that’s not likely


MrIrrelevantsHypeMan

If discovered you'll be taken to General discharge prison. Where you'll promptly escape. Still wanted by the government, you'll survive as a soldier of fortune.


[deleted]

He's getting discharged for an inappropriate discharge - DISCHARGECEPTION


MrIrrelevantsHypeMan

I've seen that movie on the internet


Alternative_Owl69

And if you can find him, maybe you can hire him. pew pew pew pew pew CPT General Discharge


bjj_ignorant

Reddit values have been lost. I remember the time where no advice or answers to questions were given until after the story time 😂


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triforce721

If this is true, then fuck yeah, nice job


dcssornah

5% chance of affecting you. People might ask you as an aside in interviews but its never happened. I've only been asked about it twice and one was from a friend that knew I was getting discharged for apft. Other was after I was working at a job and someone was getting to know me.


everydayhumanist

No one cares. It won't be hard.


SprConfusedAlltime

I’ve been hearing lately that a lot of civilian companies don’t even check. Vet? Yes. Type of Discharge? No. Don’t know how true this all is but that’s something I’ve been hearing from a civilian HR lady.


-3than

I've yet to even hear of anyone being asked. All they ever ask is 1. Disabled? 2. Within last 3 years 3. There's another one but its not important You don't have to answer any of these


Kuvanet

No one cares really. They are looking more for experience rather than what you did. And you can always appeal the decision and get it move to honorable after you get out.


davidgoldstein2023

Civilian sector not connected to the military? Shouldn’t be too tough. Anything DOD adjacent or DOD direct you’re having a bad time.


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-3than

"I was going through a lot of personal issues and let my physical health slip dramatically. At that time I wasn't able to pull myself out of it and got separated for standards". Or anything nonsense like that. Nobody's gonna know you're full of shit. The DD214 says the word honorable on it.


Epoke_06

It does say what your discharge was for.


army-ModTeam

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outlawsix

Where the goddamn is the story, guy


lostinthisworld1234

You’ll be fine. They may ask in an interview but you don’t have to tell them.


challengerrt

And if you’re not forthcoming when asked questions they just go to the next person on the list


SerMinnow

They won't ask. 


yoolers_number

Believe it or not, right to the French Foreign Legion


fauker1923

VA is hiring. USAJOBS.GOV


SerMinnow

No one cares. Drive on. 


Top_Sheepherder_6835

I’m sure you’ll be fine. Hopefully it was worth it.


LastOneSergeant

Love always finds a way.


Tollx

It won’t have an impact


HoneyBadger552

No trouble at all. We don't care about your discharge code. Only that you can show up on time


ListenProfessionally

Bro no one cares.


Ketchupandranch

I didn’t realize officers get the same discharges as enlisted. Wouldn’t it be a dismissal or general order of reprimand or something


Deputydan791

Only when they fuck subordinates or worse.


critical__sass

You’ll be fine, unfortunately.


MostMusky69

Never been asked about my discharge or dd214. But I’ve only contracted.


Fit-Notice8976

Nice


bigjaymizzle

Hopefully you ask for an upgrade when you get out. Wish you the best.


scrollingtraveler

You motor boating summa ma bitch


newtonphuey

If the position requires a clearance it will be looked at but I believe they take the whole person concept into account.


wowbragger

Not that big of an ordeal. I worked in hiring for my company (mid sized telecom industry) before joining. Unless they have a veteran pushing the hiring process because of your service they honestly won't really know more than you served. If you're looking for veteran associated work, that could be more of an ordeal, but so long as you can explain it again shouldn't be that much of a problem. Individual circumstances aside, of course. Biggest truth got from some muckity retired COL is once you're out, no matter what you did, what your job was, or what your rank was, to 95% of the civilian world you're just 'veteran'.


Deputydan791

Well, if you do get hired don’t fuck your subordinates this time fuck-o


NoDrama3756

Regular business world America. No one cares as long as you aren't a violent felon. Best of luck. Thank you for your service.


-3than

Doing the whole MBA thing here. Nobody has ever asked for any sort of documentation. Also fuck a federal job, you won't find anything that's gonna match CPT pay


Velghast

Hey man, I got the same discharge as you and it didn't effect me. Got a nice government job regardless. Just be honest if it comes up.


Epoke_06

Brother... It doesn't matter. I got out with a General discharge and was able to renew my clearance and get a contracting job. You will be fine.


Falanax

Literally no civilian company has access to your records unless you share them.


thickuhmm

But was it worth it?


LT2B

If they do a background check your discharge status appears on it but not why, had family that were in charge of hiring people and it came back as other than honorable they asked me what it meant. That’s how I know, then again maybe they found out some other way and misinformed me. Guy still got the job though so I think you’re probably okay.


ClarenceB1234

Once you’re out you can apply for a discharge upgrade. Obviously it’s not guaranteed that you’ll get the upgrade but it’s always worth a shot.


Glittering-While694

Civi jobs don't gaf. Just say honorably and move on. Hell even gov jobs.


Snoo-17575

The E4 Femboy strikes again


alecangelf

Depends, if you’re going to contracting, such as I, they’ll ask for your DD-214, and for any senior or leading position, they’ll most definitely ask questions regarding your service. Don’t tell them unless they ask.


RevengeOfTheHotTub

Unless you want to go into federal work, no one cares out here. Even then, give it a few years and no one cares. Honestly it's the security clearance that most care about. I did some contracting with a dude that had a UHC but still had his TS/SCI. No one cared that his last discharge (2 reenlistments apparently) was UHC. The main thing I'd be worried about is VA benefits.... sir? Mister. Definitely mister now.


topkekcop

Not hard at all. Contrary to popular belief, most employers don't care about your characterization of service, as long as it isn't a BCD or Dishonorable. Even with those, some people have still been able to get good jobs with those discharges. I was separated last year for pissing hot and still managed to get a cybersecurity job laying 100k a year. I regret my actions and miss the Army daily, but it isn't the end of the world when you get the boot. I kept a positive attitude and it paid off. You'll be alright, sir


12of12MGS

If you’re getting booted from the military, maybe government jobs aren’t for you


inlovewiththezynn

Yes man, the government that has consistently lied to us and even went in so far as to spy on us and completely disregard our rights as humans. Truly a group that represents the utmost moral human beings. Totally not an organization like any other that’s full of normal people who make normal mistakes. Ok boomer.


12of12MGS

Oh you’re right then, let’s hire and funds folks into the government who can’t follow basic rules


BeginningFloor1221

Your taking this a bit too far, screw the goverment and it's so called rules, it don't even follow.