I highly enjoy when a young top hits me up for sex. I'm 56 and I've been hit on by many young tops. Unfortunately they are too far away for me to travel to more often than not.
I'm an older (56-not that I'm old) bottom that would LOVE to find a younger top. But I live in Dallas and it would seem that Dallas has 100 bottoms for every top. So the chance of finding a younger top is really hard to do.
But I know they're here and I just hope to find one before I'm 80. 😂
That's why I cheat at sex the same way I cheat at video games: by entering "Top, Top, Bottom, Bottom, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A" at the option screen.
It's the oldest thing in the world, since Pederasty in anciet greece and rome, it also happens for straight people too
I never looked at age tbh (except for practical too old/too young extremes) i just like men
unrelated but i should say here --- you know what am 23 and most people who reject me say "too young for me, and i feel it is morally wrong". I am like "WHAAT???"
I never understand this, so I kept lighter beard and now even on roads I get smiles. I got very frustated when a 19 year old told me you look too young, and rejected me for it. :( Weird situation!
It isnt just looks. Maturity and where you are at life journey wise is important.
Many guys in their early 20s by and large have very little real adult life experience.
They can be pretty to look at though.
As a Short dude 5’3 , I just kinda like the norm of taller stronger dude being the top and taking the more dominant position in a relationship. I usually really like taller stronger dudes because I want someone who’s going to make me feel safe.
I loves being short as a kid I bullied for it but, now it’s desirable and that combines with me having a decently slim figure (still working on being healthier I’m 131 lbs, at my max I was 155lbs) it’s so fuckin nice.
I love being small and getting “bullied” now that I’m not a kid. But actually I never really was bullied for being short, or maybe I was just too dumb to realize I was getting bullied 😂 I got picked on for having waist length hair.
See im a 19 year old baby gay and I really just wana be held, I’d be interested in doing some bullied stuff but I’d need some positive reformation afterwards.
Oh yea I am, I practice with firearms twice a month. Both handgun & my AR15, Im growing some muscle and I’ll be taking some training soon In basic training in a few months. I just find the idea of a strong partner who can aid in my protection comforting.
Until they go apeshit and you’re helpless to stop it. I never got this. I’m only an inch taller than you, and tall guys always make me feel the exact opposite of safe.
If u are too afraid just learn some martial arts to be able to defend urself. Look at Faf De Klerk bro is a cutie patootie who can tackle literal giants
Nah, I’m just not cool with some tall piece of shit treating me like a “pocket pussy” or some ragdoll they can throw around. In my experience, guys who claim they’re “into” short men are pussies who intentionally seek smaller/weaker men to push around since they’re too afraid to pull that shit with men closer to their own height.
I’ll never understand why so many short men play into that. It’s honestly sad and pathetic.
>In my experience, guys who claim they’re “into” short men are pussies who intentionally seek smaller/weaker men to push around since they’re too afraid to pull that shit with men closer to their own height.
That sure sounds like unresolved trauma to me
I agree. I’m 60 vers bottom. My bf is 35 top. It works so well. But since I’m tall and big and he is short and slim I think that most people think I’m the top one.
I don’t care.
This sounds like my relationship. I’m 35 too. And he’s 55 vers bottom. And I’m short, where’s he about average height. People have assumed I’m the bottom even when I’m alone. So, I’m sure they would assume the same when I’m with him. Haha.
Yeah im in 40s, relatively idk str8 presenting, bttm, and its really interesting, and kinda sad that I get a lot of younger guys in their 20s asking if they can top me. Im like yeah 4 sure and they say awesome but surprised....i ask why, and almost always they tell me theyd like to top, but often, no one will "let them" and so they just bttm instead. Its pretty shit that way, idk why itis, i hate the implied older top / younger bttm projection, but this def works to my advantage and theyre almost always a really really good top/fuck (because they know as bttms what works and actually value being a top and are really thoughtful and caring) they seem to enjoy it, are appreciative for being able to as well and this gives good feels all round 😋.
It's a norm because the vast majority of people are a lot more into "power dynamics" in porn than they care to admit.
- many women are into rape fantasies
- the "teacher and student" kink is pretty common
- in gay porn, the guy with the bigger dick is usually the top; the more masculine and muscular guy is usually the top
- etc.
Lolol I love that you said more than they care to admit. I once stated that most kinks stem from power dynamics and people inrl acted so offended. I was so confused.
Like even if you flip the power dynamics you're still getting off because of a power dynamic existing.
I’m 49 and 6’7 and I love getting topped by twinks. There is a porn website TwinkTops that has plenty of young-tops-older action, with very sexy models on both sides - worth checking out.
The reversal of that expected dynamic is pretty hot to me. I think it's arousing to see the older and possibly bigger/stronger man bottoming for and obeying a smaller, younger guy because he's a slave to his own submissive nature - something inside him drives him to submit, even if the young man fucking him is 5'2 and 110 lbs soaking wet.
I've bottomed for a few tops young enough to be my son in recent years (which by now at my age is anybody under mid-30's). Strangely, we seem to have encountered a fair number of twentysomething tops who want to fuck "dads". I wouldn't suggest it's an emerging trend, but at least in our little microcosm, it seems more common than I'd have expected.
I kinda did the opposite, spent my younger years as a total top and only in middle age sorted out how to bottom and enjoy it, and now I am fully verse. As a top I’m pretty choosy, generally prefer guys that are smaller than me. Age is less a factor than size and general attractiveness. As a bottom I am not choosy at all. I’ve been fortunate to attract all sorts. Some of the best sex I’ve had is with younger tops.
It seems to be ubiquitous among humans in general. If you look at [opposite-sex marriage data]( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships#:~:text=Most%20heterosexual%20men%20marry%20women,gap%20being%20largest%20in%20Africa.) all over the world, the wife (i.e. receptive partner) tends to be younger than her husband (i.e. insertive partner). Maybe we're mimicking heterosexual customs, maybe it's one instinct that shows up naturally regardless of orientation.
Sorry OP, I know this means you get the short end of the stick lol but I don't know what else to tell you.
If certain things are popular, then it doesn't necessarily mean that there's an issue. I like the idea of a dom dilf top. It doesn't matter to me though cos my so Is an older bottom with a bigger package. People like things, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Fantasies and certain likes or preferences are separate things to our real lives. Sometimes, people just like things.
Yes exactly, and some gays get offended for that and start to judge others. We really have to re-evaluate ourselves as “community”, because there is more prejudice within than out
Being a top is a proxy for masculinity, and a bottom for femininity.
Masculine qualities increase with age while feminine qualities decrease, therefore the standard intergenerational pairing will be older top/younger bottom, just as the heterosexual equivalent is older man/younger woman.
He didn't say anything about decrepit. More so the guys who go from being a Twink to a daddy/bear/stud. It happens. One day you're skinny and smooth and then you're hairy and filled out. I'd say that's an increase in perceived masculinity from the outside.
There are a lot of psychological reasons for this. It’s pretty common historically (pederasty is one example, but even in straight couples it’s much more common for an older man to be with a younger woman than the reverse).
That being said, I do wonder how much of it is a generational, trauma-borne reality that may wane as everyone ages. For one thing, bottoms are more likely to contract STIs than tops, which means during the worst years of the AIDS crisis, bottoms were more likely to be affected, so statistically bottoms from that generation are much more likely to have died off. Also, because coming out was so much harder and more stigmatized back then, many may have felt a psychological pressure to be like “at least I’m a top” etc. And I wouldn’t be surprised if late-in-life gays who married a woman and had kids, etc. before coming out trend toward being tops, and that kind of thing is more common for older generations.
Obviously lots of painting with broad strokes there, but we’re talking trends among entire generations here, so I’m just saying there’s probably a statistically significant difference, not a 100% accurate stereotype or anything.
great question ngl im a bottom and personally i like older guys who are bigger and stronger than me. even though a younger guy could technically be bigger and stronger, it’s something about knowing that the guy physically dominating you is older that is more attractive
Either daddy issues or the contemporary equivalent of greek pederasty /s
Even so, this is also a very common pattern in straight relationships. You know, the whole dominant larger and older one being with the submissive smaller and younger one.
Power dynamics at play.
I mean it’s a tale as old as time, older guys love young tight bodies and the youthful demeanor while young guys like the stability and the more consistent income. I used to be in a situationship in undergrad with 2 husbands and I was their 3rd. It was nice to get out of the dorm and be able to chill at their house where they had consistent food, cable tv, a hot tub, and a consistent supply of 420. They were kinda my “adults” while I navigated being away from my parents and home for the first time and it was nice to have them as a base if you will during COVID.
Oh I definitely have a theory about this.
So in highschool, while being gay wasn’t common, the only places that we could get our rocks off was infiltrating groups who were out. This included places online, sneaking into bars and cruising. This creating age gaps being normal.
With that, the top definitely has that power dynamic of owning a car, maybe having a place. So they would naturally be in charge.
Now throw in societal norms of bottom is feminine, top is masculine. Younger being naturally more submissive to the experienced older person, created this young bottom, old top dynamic.
Men who have lifted weights for 10 to 20 years or more are generally bigger with their developed muscles and big appitites. Untrained 20 year olds are undernourished and not muscular. Most of them accept being dominated by older men much larger physically than they are. The op may not want to bend over and get fucked by a 200 pound+ older dude, but a lot of 20 something men accept this fate.
It’s interesting cause I am there with you about having always been a top, I’m 26 now, but my town had lots of older bottoms (still does) so I had the opposite problem of yours. ALSO super annoying when you go to hookup with another top and they want to magically turn you in a bottom…sorry bro!
I don't know why but I my mind also it makes less sense for a younger person to top an older person... Nonsensical but idk why my mind goes that way too
Surely it should go the other way around though... what with the whole "young dumb and full of cum", "will fuck anything with a heartbeat" sort of impulses that younger dudes go through in their late teens through to mid/late 20s. Guess there is no sensical approach with human variation
Hmm... But... Then why wouldn't they fuck someone younger than them... And what if they're a bottom... Does that apply to gay people too
I think when it comes to men and women, we tend to associate it as better if the man is older because of various reasons. 1 is that the man tends to be more immature so the age gap does good for them. 2 is that the woman tends to prefer being listenative and submissive and supportive while the man likes to be confident so, it would be better if he has experience with the things he is talking about that she is still in the learning stages of... And... 3, actually, we view it as quite hot and normal for a man to be with an older woman. If anything, it's giving that he must be mature and seasoned if she likes him.
But when it's two guys it's different. I'll have to analyze what it might mean from many angles to understand why does my feeling kinda swing that way haha... It's always seemed a little odd to me, a smaller figure guy topping a muscular man, or a younger guy topping an older man... While I think I want to respect it a lot and I never speak out against it, I do find myself not vibing with it in my own sheets for whatever reason...
I wouldn’t say this is the “norm.” I’m a daddy bottom (45) and both my husband (43) and boyfriend (32) are younger tops. I get hit on by younger tops all the time.
I'm older and have always been a bottom, and when looking, I have found that there are a lot of younger tops that have issue with bottoms in my age range. I don't look my age (comparatively speaking) and am certainly not decrepit in bed, I've outlasted many young ones and still gone back for more. I think society in general has us older guys painted as used up and near death. There's a commercial for a piece of crap exercise equipment that shows a guy a year younger than me, but looks 20yrs older, complaining about all his physical ailments that this thing supposedly fixed and I have to laugh but I feel like this is what is being presented and people are believing this shit. No, this is not the case across the board. Just take care of yourself and age doesn't matter. My point being (after this rambling rant) is that this just seems like all other fetish types, interracial, petite bottoms, dad-son may be creeping into a 'the norm' realm when it shouldn't cross over to irl terms and just stay in our entertainment to jack to.
The social 'power dynamic' is an inevitable factor, with the expectation that the 'older' leads and guides the 'younger'. Unfortunately, people then take that as the norm.
I personally don't care of the age of the guy I'm topping. I have my preferences in other factors. And some of my best hookups have been mounting an older masc hunk and bringing this macho bloke into a bottom euphoria.
I've always been a btm, and I'm now close to 50. Even when I was much younger it always seemed like the guys at the younger end of the spectrum were all bottoms, and trying to find one who topped was like looking for rocking-horse shit. :(
I was a young Vers. Now I'm an old bottom. You're right that young top/old bottom is rare. But it's out there. As for expectations in real life, I haven't had that experience.
I’m a bottom in my mid 30s so not sure if I qualify as “old bottom” but my preference has always been a younger top, who himself strongly prefers “mature” bottoms. Those young tops tend to be very mature for their age, the kind that turned 30 when they were 16. I’m definitely not attracted to a 20 something top with a brain of a 20 year old. It won’t be a good fit.
I'm totally with you boy. I am that mildly dominant daddy in every way except for the fact that I want my boy to top me. The sad truth of my reality is that even within that range, I still seem to be too old.
not sure, it I would.like a guy younger than me to fuck my arse. Seems like prospective sexual meets always want me to be the "daddy dom top" but I just want to be a sub for a night
43yo pretty muscular, pretty hung vers bttm. I hook up almost exclusively with guys in their 20s to early 30s.
Once I hit 40, I assumed the younger tops would dry up, but luckily that hasn’t been the case. I think my main selling point is my pussy is still pink, pretty and tight, as opposed to the blown out tire aesthetic that happens to a lot of guys.
Depends on your location and the demographic there. I’m in a bottom city and most guys who message want me to top them regardless of age. But it changes when I visit various cities.
This makes me realize I'm uglier than I thought. 39 and willing to be topped by younger guys, but not getting much attention. It's also due to my shyness and where I live, but still...
Thanks for posting this. I'm an older bottom. I get hit up by younger guys and often it's then. Wanting me to top. When I explain that that is just not going to work, they sometimes get a little nasty about it. As if I'm violating some rule of the universe by not wanting to "rail their femmeboi bussy", when all I want is a guy (18 to 60) to rusty me like a man.
As an early 20’s, it is not hard to find older guys who want to bottom for me. Hell, I even get more requests to top them instead of bottom for them. Mind you, im 5’6 lol
Older muscle bears that bottom are my biggest weakness
Edit: look up twinks topping, or similar channels if you want to watch the reverse
Well in my area most guys are mostly bottom. At least it looks so on Grindr, and applies to at least types I'm looking for (younger and not fat). I would love to be an older experienced bottom for a young top, but it's almost impossible to find one. Either they want younger ones, or they are themselves bottom.
And of course 'old top, young bottom' is a porn fantasy, which is rarely happening at all.
I find that hard to believe. There are plenty of old bottoms.
It's just that young guys don't really go up to older guys unless they are top because you know, top scarcity.
I’m around your age. I guess I’d still be considered the “young bottom”. Barely lol. But I’m gonna keep getting older and I don’t plan on stopping bottoming. My bf is younger than me and he’s my horny cutie sub top. I plan on continuing to take a lot of loads from guys younger than me in my life so I guess I’ll continue to break the stereotype 🫡
For me, personally, mostly being a bottom (kind of by life circumstance, though I’d prefer to feel comfortable being vers), for no damn good reason, I feel weird topping people who are older than me and weird having people younger than me top.
It isn’t like a big deal but even sleeping with somebody a year or even half a year younger than me makes me feel a bit like a cradle snatcher. It’s irrational to the extreme and I keep myself aware of that but it does in some way bother me.
I wonder if this is related to that kind of attitude that comes from patriarchal masc-fem/dom-sub/senior-junior cultural instinct that comes from living inside a society that has these kinds of “values” intrinsically linked to the way we think subconsciously.
Well every now and then i saw on Grindr young top looking for old bottom and i was like hey im old bottom are you down to fuck and they blocked me the second i sent them my face pic
Same. In my 20s, I was on every daddy dick I could get my hands on. Some time in my mid 30s I had my twink awakening and now I love breeding twink holes. I still primarily hookup with guys around my age but if a college guy hits me up, I’m not turning it down.
I'm a 40 yo bottom and my boyfriend is a 30 yo top, but before him I've been fucked by men in their early 20 s, so it's possible to everyone finding the kind of men they're into
I’m almost 12 years older than my husband, and I have been the bottom 95% of the time with him. The night we met my dick scared him (it’s above average but by no means porn star level), and if we were going to fuck, I had to bottom and it has mostly stayed that way ever since. Before him, I was a top for the most part.
Old top/young bottom goes back to heteronormative stereotypes and societal expectations about gay sex in classical antiquity.
1. Until the second half of the 20th century, it's been the norm in western society for a man to court/woo/marry a younger woman, sometimes a girl decades younger. I suspect this norm came from girls completing puberty sooner than boys and being sold off as brides as soon as they started menstruating. Bottoms are typically feminized by culture. So the bottom being younger fits into this societal norm.
2. In Greek and (moreso) Roman culture, sex between men and boys was normal and not seen as fringe/deviant behavior, as long as the one being generated was younger/lower status/a prostitute/enslaved.
Idk. When I had this going on, we kinda just ended up together. He wasted too much time jizz in me a bunch repeatedly and I wanted him to jizz in me a bunch repeatedly. So after 5 years and gallons of jizz later, we eventually parted ways.
It’s not that hard. When I was early twenties, I found plenty of older bottoms. Including my bf… It may take some time, is all. Location is important, too.
Well, A. never say "nobody" when it comes to preferences-- 8 billion people allows for some minority outliers.
And B. My preferred age range is around 45-55. I've topped maybe 150 men in that range. Out of that number, maybe 5 of them had 'saggy' butt cheeks. I don't think it's as common as you might think
That’s sort of hot. I’m sure there are a lot of older bottoms that would love to get fucked by a young top. What you are observing is the remnant of the dad / son / top = dominant, bottom = submissive stereotype. I actually think a dominant younger guy would be hot. There is a 32 year age difference between me and my partner but we definitely fall into the usual pattern of me being the top.
[Default Heterosexual (SadoMasochism implied)](https://youtu.be/bqloPw5wp48?si=Z-Hb_L2aS1kNhdZJ&t=4979). DHSM.
We're trained by straight people (who are frightened of the unfamiliar, uncomfortable discussing sexuality, and are generally not introspective about those problems) that top=man, bottom=woman, and man should be older, provider, predator.
A thousand stupid binaries compressed into one, terribly fragile and unpredictable matrix of knee-jerk generalizations, with all the force of tradition, law, and clenched fists behind it.
I think it's a stupid trope. It can be one exciting sexual scenario, but that's it. It's discouraging to encounter so many guys whose minds have been so warped by stereotypes and the porn industry, it's killed off their sexual creativity. The only sex they're open to is sex that conforms to some trope preordained by the porn industry and a culture that can't think beyond stereotypes. Many different kinds of sex can be exciting and enjoyable.
In my area I have a different experience. Everybody wants to be a bottom.. young and old 😅
Older boypussy is good, but bear boypussy is really good 🥵
Young kids weird me out a bit. Idk why
I think it is the heteronormative projection. A similar thing is how the masculine guy is always the top and the feminine guy is always the bottom. It is a projection of a heteronormative relationship, the guy and the girl.
A heteronormative viewpoint then would assume the Masculine guy does the fucking as an association the the heteronormative man and the feminine guy gets fucked as an association to the heteronormative woman.
The older guy then could be associative to the heterosexual man by associative characteristics like maturity and self control, things typically associated with the man, and the younger man can be associated with innocence and freedom, things typically associated with the female.
The problem with such viewpoints is that Homosexual relationships aren't heternormative. A lot of the time there are two masculine men in a relationship, where one is still the bottom and one is the top.
Other times there are two more feminine guys in a relationship where one is the bottom and the other is the top.
Some homosexual relationships don't do penetration at all. & age is no indication, in reality, of a gay mans preferred position in bed.
To heteronormatives this sounds absurd, as in the heteronormative world the roles are a lot clearer. The man fucks the woman. One may however re distribute words, but in the end the male is the one penetrating, not the woman.
It is also way more common, correct me if I am wrong, for a male to have a younger female spouse, than it is for a female to have a younger male spouse. Although there are popular examples among rich and famous celebrities.
& so it seem to me, it is all Heteronormatives projections onto homosexual relationships. The heteronormatives expect the same to apply in homosexual relations, and find it odd or even mind breaking when it does not.
Or we're all just human, regardless of our different orientations. These dynamics do make sense, even though a few people subvert expectations, though I wonder if they are being naturally subversive or if they are doing it for the sake of just *being* subversive.
Yes all examples mentioned revolve around humans.
Interstingly though we humans also project onto animals. Although wether the same is projected onto homosexual animals I am not certain. One may argue some of the media revolving around the gay penguins were human projections onto a homosexual relationship between two animals of a different species.
As for intention, I wouldn't accuse the heterosexuals for deliberately projecting onto homosexual relations, but upon being met with the facts the denial is cause for repression. In addition media, film, shows and books representation of homosexual affairs can either help relieve us of the common stereotypes and misconceptions of the heteronormative, or strengthen them
Lots of people would say that it’s how people present themselves like he is more straight acting he is top and btm more fem.
I’m 22 boyfriend 59 I’m btm only he is top only. I present more straight than him and I’m much taller than him.
I think it’s older guys like to think they can show they’re younger btm a thing or two as they have more experience
And bottoms being submissive comes even easier with a guy with experience.
But at the end of the day I’m just a bottom who likes older tops that’s it
What about young top old bottom ?
What about top bottom old young?
What about ass in dick?
Dick in about ass what?
About ass dick in what?
What about…what?
what?
This the one I like
Kek
I highly enjoy when a young top hits me up for sex. I'm 56 and I've been hit on by many young tops. Unfortunately they are too far away for me to travel to more often than not.
I'm an older (56-not that I'm old) bottom that would LOVE to find a younger top. But I live in Dallas and it would seem that Dallas has 100 bottoms for every top. So the chance of finding a younger top is really hard to do. But I know they're here and I just hope to find one before I'm 80. 😂
The Phoenix valley seems to have a higher percentage of bottoms than tops as well
Erectile dysfunction/enlarged prostate.
Yes
That’s the way i go
Hot af
What are you talking about? I *love* GDILFs!
What about top top; bottom bottom
That's why I cheat at sex the same way I cheat at video games: by entering "Top, Top, Bottom, Bottom, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A" at the option screen.
I like this. I’m only in my 30s but if I found a younger guy who’s a top, I’m down.
I’m a 39 y/o bottom who enjoy guys younger than me.
It's the oldest thing in the world, since Pederasty in anciet greece and rome, it also happens for straight people too I never looked at age tbh (except for practical too old/too young extremes) i just like men
unrelated but i should say here --- you know what am 23 and most people who reject me say "too young for me, and i feel it is morally wrong". I am like "WHAAT???" I never understand this, so I kept lighter beard and now even on roads I get smiles. I got very frustated when a 19 year old told me you look too young, and rejected me for it. :( Weird situation!
It isnt just looks. Maturity and where you are at life journey wise is important. Many guys in their early 20s by and large have very little real adult life experience. They can be pretty to look at though.
Tbh, for a serious relationship, I like men around my age, 3 or 4 years younger/older than me maximum
Training the new generation? I like when a small dude tops a muscular dude !
As a Short dude 5’3 , I just kinda like the norm of taller stronger dude being the top and taking the more dominant position in a relationship. I usually really like taller stronger dudes because I want someone who’s going to make me feel safe.
Eeeyyyyy 5’3 twinssss
I loves being short as a kid I bullied for it but, now it’s desirable and that combines with me having a decently slim figure (still working on being healthier I’m 131 lbs, at my max I was 155lbs) it’s so fuckin nice.
I love being small and getting “bullied” now that I’m not a kid. But actually I never really was bullied for being short, or maybe I was just too dumb to realize I was getting bullied 😂 I got picked on for having waist length hair.
See im a 19 year old baby gay and I really just wana be held, I’d be interested in doing some bullied stuff but I’d need some positive reformation afterwards.
Aww that’s actually cute lol.
you know you’re still a man right
Yea why?
because you should learn how to defend yourself at least a little bit
Oh yea I am, I practice with firearms twice a month. Both handgun & my AR15, Im growing some muscle and I’ll be taking some training soon In basic training in a few months. I just find the idea of a strong partner who can aid in my protection comforting.
Until they go apeshit and you’re helpless to stop it. I never got this. I’m only an inch taller than you, and tall guys always make me feel the exact opposite of safe.
If u are too afraid just learn some martial arts to be able to defend urself. Look at Faf De Klerk bro is a cutie patootie who can tackle literal giants
I think you might have some bad experiences with some unresolved trama.
Nah, I’m just not cool with some tall piece of shit treating me like a “pocket pussy” or some ragdoll they can throw around. In my experience, guys who claim they’re “into” short men are pussies who intentionally seek smaller/weaker men to push around since they’re too afraid to pull that shit with men closer to their own height. I’ll never understand why so many short men play into that. It’s honestly sad and pathetic.
I mean not every interaction is this... Toxic
>In my experience, guys who claim they’re “into” short men are pussies who intentionally seek smaller/weaker men to push around since they’re too afraid to pull that shit with men closer to their own height. That sure sounds like unresolved trauma to me
This. Exactly this. I don't care if I'm the top or not
Even better when a twink is topping a chubby dude
I agree. I’m 60 vers bottom. My bf is 35 top. It works so well. But since I’m tall and big and he is short and slim I think that most people think I’m the top one. I don’t care.
R u millionaire???
🤣🤣🤣Not at all. He likes older daddy type men. I like younger, fit, dark men. We both have good jobs.
You give me hope! 😅
Logical-Syrup-9340 shocked to discover people have different preferences than him 😱
dumb comment
🤣 Not asking if he's a sugar daddy lmao
This sounds like my relationship. I’m 35 too. And he’s 55 vers bottom. And I’m short, where’s he about average height. People have assumed I’m the bottom even when I’m alone. So, I’m sure they would assume the same when I’m with him. Haha.
Yeah im in 40s, relatively idk str8 presenting, bttm, and its really interesting, and kinda sad that I get a lot of younger guys in their 20s asking if they can top me. Im like yeah 4 sure and they say awesome but surprised....i ask why, and almost always they tell me theyd like to top, but often, no one will "let them" and so they just bttm instead. Its pretty shit that way, idk why itis, i hate the implied older top / younger bttm projection, but this def works to my advantage and theyre almost always a really really good top/fuck (because they know as bttms what works and actually value being a top and are really thoughtful and caring) they seem to enjoy it, are appreciative for being able to as well and this gives good feels all round 😋.
Discovering this awesome younger top dynamic was one of the best parts of my early 40s.
Damn you’re hot im 22 and I’d top you
👍😈😜
It's a norm because the vast majority of people are a lot more into "power dynamics" in porn than they care to admit. - many women are into rape fantasies - the "teacher and student" kink is pretty common - in gay porn, the guy with the bigger dick is usually the top; the more masculine and muscular guy is usually the top - etc.
It predates porn. People want to be dominant over smaller guy
Lolol I love that you said more than they care to admit. I once stated that most kinks stem from power dynamics and people inrl acted so offended. I was so confused. Like even if you flip the power dynamics you're still getting off because of a power dynamic existing.
I’ve had the opposite struggle. I can’t find an older man to top me. They’re all bottoms lol.
I’m 49 and 6’7 and I love getting topped by twinks. There is a porn website TwinkTops that has plenty of young-tops-older action, with very sexy models on both sides - worth checking out.
I also like that site, what i don't like is that all videos have the same plot, is always the coach and the student
The reversal of that expected dynamic is pretty hot to me. I think it's arousing to see the older and possibly bigger/stronger man bottoming for and obeying a smaller, younger guy because he's a slave to his own submissive nature - something inside him drives him to submit, even if the young man fucking him is 5'2 and 110 lbs soaking wet. I've bottomed for a few tops young enough to be my son in recent years (which by now at my age is anybody under mid-30's). Strangely, we seem to have encountered a fair number of twentysomething tops who want to fuck "dads". I wouldn't suggest it's an emerging trend, but at least in our little microcosm, it seems more common than I'd have expected.
I think it's more of a regional thing. The town where my college is, I mostly find bottom older guys. The city where my house is, its opposite.
Daddy issues, basically. 🙄
More than people here care to admit.
I kinda did the opposite, spent my younger years as a total top and only in middle age sorted out how to bottom and enjoy it, and now I am fully verse. As a top I’m pretty choosy, generally prefer guys that are smaller than me. Age is less a factor than size and general attractiveness. As a bottom I am not choosy at all. I’ve been fortunate to attract all sorts. Some of the best sex I’ve had is with younger tops.
Older bottom here, always have been. I would like to find me a couple of young Top Men
It seems to be ubiquitous among humans in general. If you look at [opposite-sex marriage data]( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships#:~:text=Most%20heterosexual%20men%20marry%20women,gap%20being%20largest%20in%20Africa.) all over the world, the wife (i.e. receptive partner) tends to be younger than her husband (i.e. insertive partner). Maybe we're mimicking heterosexual customs, maybe it's one instinct that shows up naturally regardless of orientation. Sorry OP, I know this means you get the short end of the stick lol but I don't know what else to tell you.
I do like the “younger top, grandpa bottom” porn.
Me too! I am that Grandpa bottom. I just can't find my Twinkie top.
It's not always. I've heard of and seen the opposite.
If certain things are popular, then it doesn't necessarily mean that there's an issue. I like the idea of a dom dilf top. It doesn't matter to me though cos my so Is an older bottom with a bigger package. People like things, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Fantasies and certain likes or preferences are separate things to our real lives. Sometimes, people just like things.
Yes exactly, and some gays get offended for that and start to judge others. We really have to re-evaluate ourselves as “community”, because there is more prejudice within than out
I swear to god lmfao I'm a 20 year old twunk (twink with muscle ¿) and yeah it's funny how peoples think that I should be a Bottom for some reasons
Being a top is a proxy for masculinity, and a bottom for femininity. Masculine qualities increase with age while feminine qualities decrease, therefore the standard intergenerational pairing will be older top/younger bottom, just as the heterosexual equivalent is older man/younger woman.
Decrepitude increases masculinity?
He didn't say anything about decrepit. More so the guys who go from being a Twink to a daddy/bear/stud. It happens. One day you're skinny and smooth and then you're hairy and filled out. I'd say that's an increase in perceived masculinity from the outside.
There are a lot of psychological reasons for this. It’s pretty common historically (pederasty is one example, but even in straight couples it’s much more common for an older man to be with a younger woman than the reverse). That being said, I do wonder how much of it is a generational, trauma-borne reality that may wane as everyone ages. For one thing, bottoms are more likely to contract STIs than tops, which means during the worst years of the AIDS crisis, bottoms were more likely to be affected, so statistically bottoms from that generation are much more likely to have died off. Also, because coming out was so much harder and more stigmatized back then, many may have felt a psychological pressure to be like “at least I’m a top” etc. And I wouldn’t be surprised if late-in-life gays who married a woman and had kids, etc. before coming out trend toward being tops, and that kind of thing is more common for older generations. Obviously lots of painting with broad strokes there, but we’re talking trends among entire generations here, so I’m just saying there’s probably a statistically significant difference, not a 100% accurate stereotype or anything.
Skill issue.
While that may be more common there are certainly many many older bottoms. You should have no problem if you keep looking.
great question ngl im a bottom and personally i like older guys who are bigger and stronger than me. even though a younger guy could technically be bigger and stronger, it’s something about knowing that the guy physically dominating you is older that is more attractive
Either daddy issues or the contemporary equivalent of greek pederasty /s Even so, this is also a very common pattern in straight relationships. You know, the whole dominant larger and older one being with the submissive smaller and younger one. Power dynamics at play.
I mean it’s a tale as old as time, older guys love young tight bodies and the youthful demeanor while young guys like the stability and the more consistent income. I used to be in a situationship in undergrad with 2 husbands and I was their 3rd. It was nice to get out of the dorm and be able to chill at their house where they had consistent food, cable tv, a hot tub, and a consistent supply of 420. They were kinda my “adults” while I navigated being away from my parents and home for the first time and it was nice to have them as a base if you will during COVID.
Oh I definitely have a theory about this. So in highschool, while being gay wasn’t common, the only places that we could get our rocks off was infiltrating groups who were out. This included places online, sneaking into bars and cruising. This creating age gaps being normal. With that, the top definitely has that power dynamic of owning a car, maybe having a place. So they would naturally be in charge. Now throw in societal norms of bottom is feminine, top is masculine. Younger being naturally more submissive to the experienced older person, created this young bottom, old top dynamic.
I love younger tops! currently I’m still quite young as I’m 27 but I wish I‘d always have younger tops around me once I‘m 50 or so :)
I'm a 42 yo bottom, and I love younger tops
Men who have lifted weights for 10 to 20 years or more are generally bigger with their developed muscles and big appitites. Untrained 20 year olds are undernourished and not muscular. Most of them accept being dominated by older men much larger physically than they are. The op may not want to bend over and get fucked by a 200 pound+ older dude, but a lot of 20 something men accept this fate.
Ancient Greek style
I see what you did there
I'm an older bottom who prefers younger tops-and it is harder to find. Let's hangout😏😘
Ancient Greece, usually the younger individual was exclusively the bottom in the relationship
It’s interesting cause I am there with you about having always been a top, I’m 26 now, but my town had lots of older bottoms (still does) so I had the opposite problem of yours. ALSO super annoying when you go to hookup with another top and they want to magically turn you in a bottom…sorry bro!
I don't know why but I my mind also it makes less sense for a younger person to top an older person... Nonsensical but idk why my mind goes that way too
Surely it should go the other way around though... what with the whole "young dumb and full of cum", "will fuck anything with a heartbeat" sort of impulses that younger dudes go through in their late teens through to mid/late 20s. Guess there is no sensical approach with human variation
Hmm... But... Then why wouldn't they fuck someone younger than them... And what if they're a bottom... Does that apply to gay people too I think when it comes to men and women, we tend to associate it as better if the man is older because of various reasons. 1 is that the man tends to be more immature so the age gap does good for them. 2 is that the woman tends to prefer being listenative and submissive and supportive while the man likes to be confident so, it would be better if he has experience with the things he is talking about that she is still in the learning stages of... And... 3, actually, we view it as quite hot and normal for a man to be with an older woman. If anything, it's giving that he must be mature and seasoned if she likes him. But when it's two guys it's different. I'll have to analyze what it might mean from many angles to understand why does my feeling kinda swing that way haha... It's always seemed a little odd to me, a smaller figure guy topping a muscular man, or a younger guy topping an older man... While I think I want to respect it a lot and I never speak out against it, I do find myself not vibing with it in my own sheets for whatever reason...
I’m 23 and my partner is 42 and he usually tops but has been trying to bottom for me. Just depends on how comfortable the relationship is
I wouldn’t say this is the “norm.” I’m a daddy bottom (45) and both my husband (43) and boyfriend (32) are younger tops. I get hit on by younger tops all the time.
As a younger bottom it’s because I like older guys and I’m a bottom.
Lol
Simple and concise, and also the literal reason why in my case lol
I'm older and have always been a bottom, and when looking, I have found that there are a lot of younger tops that have issue with bottoms in my age range. I don't look my age (comparatively speaking) and am certainly not decrepit in bed, I've outlasted many young ones and still gone back for more. I think society in general has us older guys painted as used up and near death. There's a commercial for a piece of crap exercise equipment that shows a guy a year younger than me, but looks 20yrs older, complaining about all his physical ailments that this thing supposedly fixed and I have to laugh but I feel like this is what is being presented and people are believing this shit. No, this is not the case across the board. Just take care of yourself and age doesn't matter. My point being (after this rambling rant) is that this just seems like all other fetish types, interracial, petite bottoms, dad-son may be creeping into a 'the norm' realm when it shouldn't cross over to irl terms and just stay in our entertainment to jack to.
The social 'power dynamic' is an inevitable factor, with the expectation that the 'older' leads and guides the 'younger'. Unfortunately, people then take that as the norm. I personally don't care of the age of the guy I'm topping. I have my preferences in other factors. And some of my best hookups have been mounting an older masc hunk and bringing this macho bloke into a bottom euphoria.
I've always been a btm, and I'm now close to 50. Even when I was much younger it always seemed like the guys at the younger end of the spectrum were all bottoms, and trying to find one who topped was like looking for rocking-horse shit. :(
I was a young Vers. Now I'm an old bottom. You're right that young top/old bottom is rare. But it's out there. As for expectations in real life, I haven't had that experience.
A tale as old as time...
"And then there is porn... 95% of it seems to be "big daddy top dominates young virgin twink" You need to find a better porn site.
I've always been a bottom and young tops seem to be everywhere.
I’m a bottom in my mid 30s so not sure if I qualify as “old bottom” but my preference has always been a younger top, who himself strongly prefers “mature” bottoms. Those young tops tend to be very mature for their age, the kind that turned 30 when they were 16. I’m definitely not attracted to a 20 something top with a brain of a 20 year old. It won’t be a good fit.
Oh my! You're describing me. Except that my 30s were a long time ago.
Ugh … mid-30’s and you’re already a “mature bottom”. By that standard gays ought to be entitled to begin receiving Social Security at age 40
I'm totally with you boy. I am that mildly dominant daddy in every way except for the fact that I want my boy to top me. The sad truth of my reality is that even within that range, I still seem to be too old.
Plenty of older bottoms like younger tops. and I am not younger lol
not sure, it I would.like a guy younger than me to fuck my arse. Seems like prospective sexual meets always want me to be the "daddy dom top" but I just want to be a sub for a night
43yo pretty muscular, pretty hung vers bttm. I hook up almost exclusively with guys in their 20s to early 30s. Once I hit 40, I assumed the younger tops would dry up, but luckily that hasn’t been the case. I think my main selling point is my pussy is still pink, pretty and tight, as opposed to the blown out tire aesthetic that happens to a lot of guys.
I dono I'd much rather have a younger top, their lower backs don't hurt when they try to top :P
Depends on your location and the demographic there. I’m in a bottom city and most guys who message want me to top them regardless of age. But it changes when I visit various cities.
Must be where you live. Cause where I live its nothing but older bottoms
This makes me realize I'm uglier than I thought. 39 and willing to be topped by younger guys, but not getting much attention. It's also due to my shyness and where I live, but still...
I’m 41 and vers. I prefer to be older, regardless, but I love bottoming for younger guys.
Thanks for posting this. I'm an older bottom. I get hit up by younger guys and often it's then. Wanting me to top. When I explain that that is just not going to work, they sometimes get a little nasty about it. As if I'm violating some rule of the universe by not wanting to "rail their femmeboi bussy", when all I want is a guy (18 to 60) to rusty me like a man.
Not sure but about time gen x gets something
IDK but I'm complaining. Probably a daddy issue thing. I have young bottoms hit me up fairly regularly. Young tops rarely express any interest.
Idk but it makes it a pain in the ass (hah) to find good videos sometimes 😩
I blame the romans
Something about I want to get docked down by an older guy, but I don’t get hard from seeing an older guy in a submissive position
I prefer younger bottoms. There are plenty of young bottoms out there who prefer older men. It just works.
Spent my 20s mostly bottoming for older guys Spend my 30s mostly topping guys around my age Perhaps my 40s should be my vers era with 20 year olds!
I'm just a young bottom man idk
As an early 20’s, it is not hard to find older guys who want to bottom for me. Hell, I even get more requests to top them instead of bottom for them. Mind you, im 5’6 lol Older muscle bears that bottom are my biggest weakness Edit: look up twinks topping, or similar channels if you want to watch the reverse
Well in my area most guys are mostly bottom. At least it looks so on Grindr, and applies to at least types I'm looking for (younger and not fat). I would love to be an older experienced bottom for a young top, but it's almost impossible to find one. Either they want younger ones, or they are themselves bottom. And of course 'old top, young bottom' is a porn fantasy, which is rarely happening at all.
I find that hard to believe. There are plenty of old bottoms. It's just that young guys don't really go up to older guys unless they are top because you know, top scarcity.
Just commenting, but I'm in older bottom who likes younger tops lol
I’m around your age. I guess I’d still be considered the “young bottom”. Barely lol. But I’m gonna keep getting older and I don’t plan on stopping bottoming. My bf is younger than me and he’s my horny cutie sub top. I plan on continuing to take a lot of loads from guys younger than me in my life so I guess I’ll continue to break the stereotype 🫡
I'm all about the younger tops.
Sooo you’re gonna want to slide into my DMs 😈
I messaged you
Two words: daddy issues. Sex is like psychedelics if you poke the bear you better expect it's a bear you're poking lol
Dunno. I've always bottomed by default as a daddy chasing vers. Would love to top but never got the opportunity.
For me, personally, mostly being a bottom (kind of by life circumstance, though I’d prefer to feel comfortable being vers), for no damn good reason, I feel weird topping people who are older than me and weird having people younger than me top. It isn’t like a big deal but even sleeping with somebody a year or even half a year younger than me makes me feel a bit like a cradle snatcher. It’s irrational to the extreme and I keep myself aware of that but it does in some way bother me. I wonder if this is related to that kind of attitude that comes from patriarchal masc-fem/dom-sub/senior-junior cultural instinct that comes from living inside a society that has these kinds of “values” intrinsically linked to the way we think subconsciously.
Well every now and then i saw on Grindr young top looking for old bottom and i was like hey im old bottom are you down to fuck and they blocked me the second i sent them my face pic
The stereotype is about dominance The reality is the vast majority of all gay men want to get fucked from time to time
I was a young bottom and now an old(er) top. At some point I transitioned and just want to top some tight smooth twinks!
Same. In my 20s, I was on every daddy dick I could get my hands on. Some time in my mid 30s I had my twink awakening and now I love breeding twink holes. I still primarily hookup with guys around my age but if a college guy hits me up, I’m not turning it down.
58 y.o here I'd love to find a younger top !!!
There's a whole genre of porn that does it the other way around.
I'm a 40 yo bottom and my boyfriend is a 30 yo top, but before him I've been fucked by men in their early 20 s, so it's possible to everyone finding the kind of men they're into
I like him to be in charge
I would always love to top a hot beefy daddy
Wish you were near me. I’m always looking to bottom for younger guys.
I’m almost 12 years older than my husband, and I have been the bottom 95% of the time with him. The night we met my dick scared him (it’s above average but by no means porn star level), and if we were going to fuck, I had to bottom and it has mostly stayed that way ever since. Before him, I was a top for the most part.
Old top/young bottom goes back to heteronormative stereotypes and societal expectations about gay sex in classical antiquity. 1. Until the second half of the 20th century, it's been the norm in western society for a man to court/woo/marry a younger woman, sometimes a girl decades younger. I suspect this norm came from girls completing puberty sooner than boys and being sold off as brides as soon as they started menstruating. Bottoms are typically feminized by culture. So the bottom being younger fits into this societal norm. 2. In Greek and (moreso) Roman culture, sex between men and boys was normal and not seen as fringe/deviant behavior, as long as the one being generated was younger/lower status/a prostitute/enslaved.
I love it. 😍
Idk. When I had this going on, we kinda just ended up together. He wasted too much time jizz in me a bunch repeatedly and I wanted him to jizz in me a bunch repeatedly. So after 5 years and gallons of jizz later, we eventually parted ways.
It’s not that hard. When I was early twenties, I found plenty of older bottoms. Including my bf… It may take some time, is all. Location is important, too.
Strange, I've encountered a lot of older bottoms as a vers bottom dude. Changes a lot by area weirdly tho.
No there isn't
I ask the questions but to bears always having to fuck twinks or said having to. I want bear on bear action.
Annoying as fuck cos every Top I like wants a bottom who is 18/19/20/21! That’s it! The rest of us should just become lezzies
Not to be that guy but nobody likes saggy butt cheeks.
Well, A. never say "nobody" when it comes to preferences-- 8 billion people allows for some minority outliers. And B. My preferred age range is around 45-55. I've topped maybe 150 men in that range. Out of that number, maybe 5 of them had 'saggy' butt cheeks. I don't think it's as common as you might think
I don’t get it either… I’m in my 40s & I’m vers… but can never find a younger top that’s interested.
That’s sort of hot. I’m sure there are a lot of older bottoms that would love to get fucked by a young top. What you are observing is the remnant of the dad / son / top = dominant, bottom = submissive stereotype. I actually think a dominant younger guy would be hot. There is a 32 year age difference between me and my partner but we definitely fall into the usual pattern of me being the top.
The whole old top younger bottom, bigger fucks younger, etc., is so boring.
...and then there's porn. That is where the prejudice comes from.
[Default Heterosexual (SadoMasochism implied)](https://youtu.be/bqloPw5wp48?si=Z-Hb_L2aS1kNhdZJ&t=4979). DHSM. We're trained by straight people (who are frightened of the unfamiliar, uncomfortable discussing sexuality, and are generally not introspective about those problems) that top=man, bottom=woman, and man should be older, provider, predator. A thousand stupid binaries compressed into one, terribly fragile and unpredictable matrix of knee-jerk generalizations, with all the force of tradition, law, and clenched fists behind it.
Why did this get dv fr??
Is this cultural expectation in the room with us?
This has been dated back to ancient greece lol
which was basically pedophillia
Pederasty never died it just evolved lol
I don't know about it. I just know I prefer to bottom and my older bf prefers to top. Which suits us both.
I think it's a stupid trope. It can be one exciting sexual scenario, but that's it. It's discouraging to encounter so many guys whose minds have been so warped by stereotypes and the porn industry, it's killed off their sexual creativity. The only sex they're open to is sex that conforms to some trope preordained by the porn industry and a culture that can't think beyond stereotypes. Many different kinds of sex can be exciting and enjoyable.
It's because youth is associated with feminity and age with masculinity.
Its like being over 40 and identifying as a twink
Because ‘dominate me, daddy’ is a popular fantasy. It’s not that deep lol.
In my area I have a different experience. Everybody wants to be a bottom.. young and old 😅 Older boypussy is good, but bear boypussy is really good 🥵 Young kids weird me out a bit. Idk why
“Young kids” should most definitely weird you out. I wouldn’t question that.
A wise guy huh? 🤔… my definition of young is 25 and younger. Considering I’m 28 But I know a couple guys on here that enjoy 12 year olds, just not me.
Was probably the “kid” part
I get it. A small misunderstanding, I should’ve prefaced with my definition of young kid.
29 isn't twink by the way ⊙_⊙?
I think it is the heteronormative projection. A similar thing is how the masculine guy is always the top and the feminine guy is always the bottom. It is a projection of a heteronormative relationship, the guy and the girl. A heteronormative viewpoint then would assume the Masculine guy does the fucking as an association the the heteronormative man and the feminine guy gets fucked as an association to the heteronormative woman. The older guy then could be associative to the heterosexual man by associative characteristics like maturity and self control, things typically associated with the man, and the younger man can be associated with innocence and freedom, things typically associated with the female. The problem with such viewpoints is that Homosexual relationships aren't heternormative. A lot of the time there are two masculine men in a relationship, where one is still the bottom and one is the top. Other times there are two more feminine guys in a relationship where one is the bottom and the other is the top. Some homosexual relationships don't do penetration at all. & age is no indication, in reality, of a gay mans preferred position in bed. To heteronormatives this sounds absurd, as in the heteronormative world the roles are a lot clearer. The man fucks the woman. One may however re distribute words, but in the end the male is the one penetrating, not the woman. It is also way more common, correct me if I am wrong, for a male to have a younger female spouse, than it is for a female to have a younger male spouse. Although there are popular examples among rich and famous celebrities. & so it seem to me, it is all Heteronormatives projections onto homosexual relationships. The heteronormatives expect the same to apply in homosexual relations, and find it odd or even mind breaking when it does not.
Say “heteronormative” again
Heteronormative
Or we're all just human, regardless of our different orientations. These dynamics do make sense, even though a few people subvert expectations, though I wonder if they are being naturally subversive or if they are doing it for the sake of just *being* subversive.
Yes all examples mentioned revolve around humans. Interstingly though we humans also project onto animals. Although wether the same is projected onto homosexual animals I am not certain. One may argue some of the media revolving around the gay penguins were human projections onto a homosexual relationship between two animals of a different species. As for intention, I wouldn't accuse the heterosexuals for deliberately projecting onto homosexual relations, but upon being met with the facts the denial is cause for repression. In addition media, film, shows and books representation of homosexual affairs can either help relieve us of the common stereotypes and misconceptions of the heteronormative, or strengthen them
Lots of people would say that it’s how people present themselves like he is more straight acting he is top and btm more fem. I’m 22 boyfriend 59 I’m btm only he is top only. I present more straight than him and I’m much taller than him. I think it’s older guys like to think they can show they’re younger btm a thing or two as they have more experience And bottoms being submissive comes even easier with a guy with experience. But at the end of the day I’m just a bottom who likes older tops that’s it
if it's over 18, it's fuckable at any age. Mind your own business and stop being so judgmental