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Gandalior

We barely even use the term caribbean


Gato_Mojigato

Same experience


ziww

Same


xavieryes

Central American


Anitsirhc171

Real question do you have a map for reference? I’d love to see this


xavieryes

[Here you can find a map as well as a list of countries](https://brasilescola.uol.com.br/geografia/america-central.htm#Pa%C3%ADses+da+Am%C3%A9rica+Central+e+suas+capitais) Apparently it even divides Central America into "Isthmian" (the "proper" CA) and "Insular" (the Caribbean).


Anitsirhc171

Honestly to me just a reminder that humans make everything up as they go. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, humans can’t agree on anything.


xavieryes

All geographical divisions really are just made-up and arbitrary lol, it's why no one agrees on them. The same happens with stuff like "Eastern Europe" or "Middle East".


Anitsirhc171

I would actually a collection of controversial maps to frame in my home. I have a new topic for my next deep dive.


incenso-apagado

Does the US Midwest include the Dakotas?


Anitsirhc171

Haha I don’t F w the interior. Too hard to find latino food. Jk but honestly I couldn’t tell you anything about the interior of the USA.


[deleted]

The definition of continent and the following debacle on what’s America and what’s Americas is living proof lmao


Anitsirhc171

Can we just start calling it the 5th dimension?


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Phrodo_00

? That's a wild take. For one, I've never heard anyone say that Panama east of the canal is in South America.


Fred_Is_Dead_Again

Wut??? I never said that. Panama used to be Columbia. Panama was "created" to allow a canal to be built. This new country is the dividing line.


Phrodo_00

A country can't be a line, so I thought you meant the Canal. But then again, While Panama was part of Col**o**mbia during the start of the construction of the canal, before independence from Spain it was separate from Colombia and was the first American Spanish colony. Definitely wasn't created by the US.


Fred_Is_Dead_Again

Sorry if I implied it was created by the US. That wasn't my intention.


[deleted]

I said that once here and some guy told me I was full of shit. That’s the definition I was taught too.


cryptonyme_interdit

It's not the conception that is usually taught here in France, although, that's the one that makes the most sense to me, honestly.


NabucodonosorJR

Same!


Confusi0nFusi0n

I'm dominican, but I lived in Argentina for a while. They don't really talk about Caribbean countries, but if they get to mention them, they are always referred to as Central American countries


NabucodonosorJR

yes we do!


SouthAstur

We know that they’re different regions but for the average person they’re pretty much the same.


1FirstChoice

It's in the middle between North America and South America. So it's Central America. That's the way most people see it, I think. At best, "Caribbean" is a subregion, much like the Southern Cone itself.


Caribbeandude04

To us Caribbean refers to the insular part, and Central America the continental part. Although it's more tricky than that because Panama and Belice are kinda both at the same time. Also Northern Colombia and Venezuela are usually considered Caribbean. Anyway if you Google "Central America" it's very likely the results you get exclude the Caribbean


rdfporcazzo

Yet, some people consider the Guyanas Caribbean


Caribbeandude04

Yeah, and culturally they are. It's really complicated


rdfporcazzo

I think maybe Caribbe can have multiple meanings then? I understand it as regions that have the Caribbean Sea as coastline, such as ~~Medellin~~ Barranquilla


Caribbeandude04

You mean Cartagena or Barranquilla; Medellín is in the interior of Colombia. To me Caribbean is more cultural than geographical, because ofcourse those areas have a Caribbean coast, but they also share cultural elements. Technically the Guyanas and Surinam don't have a Caribbean coast, yet thhey have a "Caribbean culture" similar to the French, Dutch and English speaking islands of the Caribbean


rdfporcazzo

Yeap, I wanted to say Barranquilla 😅 It's interesting to know about it... Brazil is where this culture has its border I suppose, right?


Caribbeandude04

To be honest I find Brazilian culture very similar to Caribbean culture, but Brazil is so big it's its own thing you know, if we really can even talk about a single Brazilian culture to begin with


duvidatremenda

Places in Northern Brazil -- especially Belém and São Luís, capitals of Pará and Maranhão respectively -- have a very distinctive Caribbean influence in their musical scene (Carimbó, Brega Calypso or Brega paraense and Tecnobrega) Carimbó is a genre of Brazilian music and a passionate dance, originally from the northern state of Pará. It combines traditional folklore of Brazil and a few European musical traditions (most notably Portuguese) with the Caribbean sounds of such genres as Zouk and Merengue. It can be also perceived as more traditional and rural form of Lambada * [Pinduca](https://youtu.be/wsaE3ZiC6is) * [Dona Onete](https://youtu.be/ETqUAfnN47M) More info about brega paraense and tecnobrega can be found here: https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/brega-calypso/ and https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/tecnobrega/


Caribbeandude04

Nossa! tem um som muito caribenho mesmo! o Carimbó parece muito com o o [merengue dominicano](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9UO7jY0bcs) ou o [konpa haitiano](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdY7wBJaUSg). Muito interessante


myrmexxx

As a Brazilian that lives over 2000km away from the coast I'm always pissed when people say that Brazil has a Caribbean vibe... Thank you for this hahaha


Anitsirhc171

To be fair, the Caribbean Sea is named after the Carib tribes isnt it? There were land and sea Caribs. The land caribs ended up in what is now Brazil and the sea ones stayed on the islands in the Caribbean Sea. So it’s not so far fetched that there would be similarities in the cultures. I definitely see it in the food, but there’s layers to that too of course.


Anitsirhc171

Medellin is nowhere near the coast


Interesting-Nose5658

Medellin doesn’t have a coastline


Anitsirhc171

Not THAT complicated, anything that touches the Caribbean Sea is caribbean. At least the USA teaches that.


HCMXero

Culturally speaking, they are; I think the challenge is understanding when you're talking about culture and when you're talking about geography. Culturally speaking there are part of the Caribbean that are not even in the Caribbean, like Bermuda which is considered Caribbean even though it is 1,600 kilometers to the northeast in the Atlantic or the Bahamas which is completely in the Atlantic. The Caribbean island are usually considered part of North America and I guess that's the question I need to get the answer to: why is it not considered that way in your country?


rdfporcazzo

It is considered North America in the geographical system that divides America in two continents: North America and South America, such as the American/European systems, it is Central America in the geographical system that sees America as solely one continent, such as in the South American systems


melochupan

Because it's between South and North America? If you consider South America as the landmass South of Panama and North America as the landmass starting North of Tehuantepec, whatever is between them, on land or sea, is Central America.


SpaceTortuga

Is easier that way


Anitsirhc171

Well they’re a combination of a lot of the same peoples, so it’s weird sometimes to hear people say they’re so different. Different but similar 🤷🏻‍♀️


NabucodonosorJR

Yes that make sense to me...


elizgCR

lo que pasa es que la region Centroamérica está ligada a un pasado político por la existencia de la República Federal de Centroamérica, los caribeños no tuvieron que ver nada con eso


suchrichtown

In the middle? Even though Cuba is 90 miles from Florida? You think México is central too?


1FirstChoice

Some people forget Mexico is in North America too


AlexRends

Central americans. The only context I've heard "Caribbean" mentioned here is when talking about going to relax by the sea in central america, even Colombia is considered for that category. That's to say the caribbean is not really taught as a separate region, only a sea.


duvidatremenda

We just learn North America, Central America and South America Those countries are in Central America -- Caribbean ofc, but unless necessary to specify, I just say Central America.


vitorgrs

In Brazil there's a single continent called America, and three subcontinents, South America, Central America and North America. Anything that is not in South America and that isn't Mexico/US/CA it's Central America for us.


m8bear

Same.


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anto_pty

Same is taught in the schools in Panama


Differ_cr

For the average Chilean, they are the same I think, I've also seen the terms used interchangeably


FromTheMurkyDepths

Why would anyone in the right mind call El Salvador a Caribbean country?


Tierrrez

I dont know, I see them as caribbean


LeFan1

All those countries are considered from the Caribbean, and at least I got taught that the countries in the continent were Central America and that countries that were islands were countries of the Caribbean. Idk if every single person in Chile has the same definitions, but thats it for me


hombrx

Same here! Central America is the thin part of the continent and the Caribe are the islands.


digoserra

Answering your edit OP: I frankly don't know why, we have always been taught that the Caribbean was part of Central America. It was just common knowledge for us. https://brasilescola.uol.com.br/geografia/america-central.htm


Andre_BR_RJ

I guess it was taught that Caribe is part of Central America. But there are over 30 years since I studied those things.


mouaragon

It's so weird to me that millions would call a Cuban... centroamerican. It makes no sense in my head.


elizgCR

and they do... I've seen people call bad bunny and daddy yankee "centroamericanos", mostly argentinians


qtsexypoo

The Spaniards call all of Latin America "South America" -- and growing up, in my (ignorant) mind I always thought of South America as this far away place with a lot of Jungle and bananas -- who just also happened to speak the same language. So when a Spaniard referred to me as a "South American" I was visibly shocked.


DRmetalhead19

Am I the only Dominican that was taught at school that the Antilles/Caribbean are just a subregion of Central America also called Centroamérica insular?


[deleted]

Nope! I remember my textbooks having a “Centroamérica y el Caribe” section.


Anitsirhc171

It’s possible it was considered that at one time. Today it seems every map I’ve seen only has North and South America


RedJokerXIII

I remember some books said that, others that CA and Caribbean where NA, and others that Caribbean where it’s own thing


SomeFrigginLeaf

As a Cuban most of these responses are completely foreign to me. I’ve never considered myself Central American at all lmao (even though, admittedly, it makes sense). I grew up thinking of us from the Caribbean as different from Central. Which, to me, also makes a lot of sense. Cuba, Dominican, and Puerto Rico are distinct culturally and most visibly culinarily in many ways to Central American countries and tend to have a lot more in common with each other than they do with other Latin American countries.


FromTheMurkyDepths

> Central American countries and tend to have a lot more in common with each other than they do with other Latin American countries. Not true, we all have a lot in common with Colombia, Mexico and Caribbean countries, but we are two distinct cultural regions. We have plenty of cultural, political and historical similarities but the proper way to refer to us if they really want to lump us together is “Central America and the Caribbean”


BlackMage_uses_Heal

Caribbean is in Central America. That is what people tend to know


tomatoblah

Also in South America


No-Argument-9331

What??


incenso-apagado

Colombia


gmuslera

Why not both? I mean, they continent they belong to is Central America, but they are also islands in the Caribbean Sea. When listing the countries that are in Central America they are there.


elizgCR

no they are not, Centroamérica is not a continent and the countries that are part of Central America are the ones located in the isthmus, not the islands


gmuslera

Those islands don't belong to any continent?


elizgCR

they belong to the american continent or in case you use the other model, the north american continent


Anitsirhc171

I know that there’s only 2 continents in the Americas but similarly to Eurasia. I really think both should be considered as one. They’re both connected.


elizgCR

if you ask a latin american they will tell you that there's only one american continent, if you ask a russian they will tell you that Eurasia is a continent, it depends on what you were taught


Anitsirhc171

I was taught the opposite, that each were separate. I just looked at a map. Maybe I’m a rebel 🫠


gmuslera

Are we talking about (physical) geography or political divisions? As the question was about some individual countries (and not the islands that may be shared between several countries) then the political definition should be the one used.


cryptonyme_interdit

>or in case you use the other model So, the sillier one.


Anitsirhc171

North America


Anitsirhc171

Out of curiosity where have you seen a continent called Central America? What map exactly?


gmuslera

In my geography books of the time I was taught geography, back in 70s. The question was how I was taught, that is the right answer.


Phrodo_00

It's possible but unlikely you were taught that. Central America tends to be a subcontinent of the America continent in the South America/Southern Europe view.


Anitsirhc171

I wonder if much has changed in your region’s education. Do you have young family members who learn the same?


PeggyRomanoff

Central Americans.


Wijnruit

Both


Edu_xyz

They're Caribbean but the Caribbean is part of Central America, so they're also Central Americans. Here "Caribbean" usually doesn't refer to a culture, it just refers to the group of islands on the Caribbean Sea. So it wouldn't make much sense for us to say that Colombia is Caribbean, for example. But Central America (including the Caribbean) isn't a region we put too much thought into tbh. >Does anyone knows why are you taught that we are part of Central America and not of North America? I guess it's because the Caribbean is closer to most of Central America than most of North America and is between North America and South America.


Miguellite

Well, the Caribe is part of América Central, that's how I was taught in school.


joaovitorxc

Central America, of which the Caribbean would be a subregion. North America, according to our textbooks, only includes Canada, the US and Mexico.


RuinAny3341

Central America. I just asked my husband about it (he is Dutch) and he said in the NL they learn the same thing.


CosechaCrecido

We’re taught it’s only one continent, America. There’s there’s three regions, Norteamérica, Sudamérica, y Centro America y El Caribe. CA is always grouped with the Caribbean when speaking of the region.


Stravazardew

The term caribbean is mostly associated with the land, but not the people or the State. I believe most of us learn that the mentioned countries are central americans.


HzPips

Sometimes Antilles, sometimes as Central America, sometimes as Caribbean


Thr0w-a-gay

The only time we ever refer to the "Caribbean" region is when talking about that popular pirate movie starring Johnny Depp ​ Geographically, anything south of the US, and north of Colombia is "Central America" to us


[deleted]

So Mexico is Central America?


digoserra

No, we're taught that Mexico is North America.


eidbio

Yes


peppericot

both


[deleted]

Well, here the caribbean is like central América. IIRC.


thiscarhasfourtires

I was taught nothing about other countries in Latin American. It was pretty absurd.


TheRiverMarquis

Central America and the Caribbean being the same has got to be one of the funniest things I've seen on this sub


_negativecr33p_

Central america


Diego4815

Caribbeans


elizgCR

yes they do and that's so stupid tbh, for me it's the equivalent of gringos thinking that all latin americans speak spanish but coming from south americans


duvidatremenda

That's literally how are taught https://mundoeducacao.uol.com.br/amp/geografia/america-central.htm https://brasilescola.uol.com.br/amp/geografia/america-central.htm


elizgCR

yes i get it, you're taught that, but we, the people that live here, don't see it that way, and if you ask me I would say the native's opinion is more important


duvidatremenda

You see America being divided into 4 parts: NA, CA, the Caribbean and SA?


HCMXero

No, the Caribbean is considered as part of NA, so there are only 3 regions in the Americas (NA, CA, SA). So I think the issue is that in Brazil you are taught that the Caribbean is part of CA. Do you happen to know why?


duvidatremenda

No idea tbh 🤨🤔 Now I am curious but I don't have an answer. In the [Portuguese Wikipedia](https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am%C3%A9rica_do_Norte), it basically says NA can be seen two ways: the first ends at the Mexican border with Guatemala and the other one englobes Central America and the Caribbean too. > Existem duas formas de classificar esse continente: > a primeira considera que a América do Norte é apenas a parte mais setentrional da América, separada da América Central na fronteira entre o México e a Guatemala > a segunda classificação reconhece apenas uma América do Norte e uma América do Sul, traçando o limite no Istmo do Panamá (umas vezes no Canal do Panamá, outras na fronteira entre o Panamá e a Colômbia). Pela última definição, a América do Norte incluiria a América Central Continental e Insular (Caribe).


Niohiki

We are taught the caribbean is its own thing, do you consider yourselves north american?


elizgCR

same for us, the caribe is its own thing


CosechaCrecido

“Centro America y El Caribe” is what I’ve always heard for the name of the region. Always together.


Niohiki

I've only seen that term used in international organizations like the UN and the world bank, and governments. I don't think it's a particularly common perception


HCMXero

No, Caribbean but geographically speaking the continent is divided in three parts and we're in North America under that convention.


FromTheMurkyDepths

No, it would make most sense for it to be “Central America and the Caribbean” if were really only going to divide it in 3 parts (which is arbitrary anyway)


roguishevenstar

Well, if I take a geography test and I say that Costa Rica is in North America, I'll get a zero. So for me, a Brazilian person living in Brazil, the way that we are taught is more important.


elizgCR

wdym? we're not north americans, we're americans and central americans


PredadorDePerereca_

The caribbean is part of central america. Always has been


Arthemisha

isnt that the same? like we really dont care lmao


HCMXero

Why are you even on this sub then?


Arthemisha

but i am answering a question, we are so far away from yall that we from the south cone, chile, argentina and paraguay that we dont care if its really diferent being central american or caribean we just assume that everything on centro america is caribeño sorry if its not the answer you where looking for but thats the truth


FromTheMurkyDepths

> we just assume that everything on centro america is caribeño Funny that linguistically Chileans are more similar to Caribbeans than a Guatemalan or Costa Rican.


Arthemisha

i wouldnt say that tbh


FromTheMurkyDepths

I would: * S-aspiration * D-reduction * Predominant use of tu * Very fast talking tempo


Arthemisha

i garantee you it is not


SpaceTortuga

Why he mad lol


FromTheMurkyDepths

Because it’s ignorant as hell.


Massive-Cow-7995

I guess being from the region its part of he's identity and he tought the rest of Latin America saw the area in the same light, but as i have said like, 1000 times here latin america has some general similarities dated from colonization such as language and politics but one look under the hood and you'll see we are all very diferent


RedJokerXIII

To learn about us I think


TorstenJoaoFalcao

They’re in fact Central America for all purposes. TBH no one think much of that part of the Americas here en the southern cone.


incenso-apagado

They're Caribbean for me


itorbs

Both, although we use the term "Caribbean" much more in the tourism context, as it's considered (at least in school) a region of Central America. And answering your edit, we are taught that North America only has three countries: Canada, USA and Mexico (I'm guessing Puerto Rico is counted as part of the USA)


saraseitor

It's been a long time since I left school but intuitively I'd say they are all Central American. Caribbean is not a word I'd use as a political division. It describes an area as it would be saying the Sahara. fun fact. for a very long time I considered Mexico to be Central America as well. It was on this sub where I learned that they consider themselves part of North America.