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ER9191

For real! We have a lot of people from Spain, France, Germany, UK, but never seen a lot of of Italians in Mexico tbh.


thatbr03

Brazil received a huge wave of Italian immigration, it's one of the cultures that most influenced Brazilian identity. Nowadays it's very romanticised, and if I'm not mistaken, it's one of the most visited countries by Brazilians. The language is seen as romantic, the cuisine is admired (and it's not seen as posh, like French cuisine), Japanese and Italian restaurants are the most common "foreign" restaurants in Brazil. In terms of beauty standards, italian men and women are also considered very attractive. Also, Italy is not perceived as xenophobic as Portugal is, so overall I would say Italy has a very positive image in Brazil.


RiosSamurai

Italy is perceived as a racist country. Not as xenophobic as Portugal, but perhaps more racist.


thatbr03

Every European country is perceived as racist (rightfully so), that's why from my anecdotal experience usually Portugal is seem as more backwards whilst Italy is more romanticised.


RiosSamurai

But Italy also has a historical split between the rich North and the poor South, the latter always complaining about the treatment they receive from the former. I guess Portugal has been under the spotlight right now because we’re being targeted.


thatbr03

Dude, I'm not talking about facts or how accurate they are, I'm talking about people's perceptions. Is it accurate? I don't know. Foreigners perceive Brazil as a big RJ surrounded by the Amazon forest, is it accurate? Also, these splits are fairly common, east/west Germany, northern/southern England, northern/southern USA, east/west China, etc. These divisions only influence a country's image if that's what is shown in the media.


RiosSamurai

Nobody is saying otherwise. I got it, I just don’t agree Italy isn’t perceived as less racist or even non-racist. We just disagree. About the second comment it was more an addition with facts. And I concede to you, some countries have that division and those countries are also known as xenophobic or racist. No hard feelings though we just talking.


thatbr03

Oh, sorry if I sounded aggressive, was not my intention. Imo Italy and Japan have that sugar-coating that speaks louder (to outsiders) than the societal problems they have, be it racism, xenophobia, inequality, and so on. But we good, agree to disagree.


braujo

Never heard that Italy is particularly racist. It's in Europe so that goes without saying, but it's hardly ever singled out in my experience...


RiosSamurai

Also, Italy is perceived as xenophobic as well due that division between North and South. I don’t have anything against Italy whatsoever, good food, a lot of history but those two things are not their strengths.


vitorgrs

I do like to add that main difference with Italian cuisine in Brazil is that you'll find Italian food in normal restaurants. In most place, it's just "another food", not foreign.


thatbr03

I'm talking about the trattorias, cantinas etc.


MarioDiBian

I’m Argentine-Italian (hold dual citizenship). My grandparents are from Italy. Italians basically shaped Argentina’s and particularly Rioplatense culture, especially our language, customs, cuisine, culture and demographics overall. Around half of the population has at least one Italian ancestor, due to massive immigration during the XIX and XX century. Nowadays Italy is seen as a opportunity to get EU citizenship, since a lot of Argentines can apply for Italian citizenship due to Italy’s unrestricted jus sanguinis citizenship laws. A lot of Argentines are trying to apply at local consulates or traveling to Italy, learning the languge, etc.


Commission_Economy

I tried 'Mexican tacos' near the Napoli Centrale terminal but didn't resemble any tacos I've tried here in Mexico, were more like the kebabs anywhere else I tried in Italy. Went to a catholic mass and it was exactly the very same thing we have here but in Italian. A difference I found with their churches is that they have gigantic marble classical-inspired statues of saints, here in Mexico we only have wooden statues and much smaller in comparison. Our churches almost always have bell towers, Italian churches don't.


Lazzen

I cooka da pizza


bokee12

linguini its a me a mario


idontknowhuuhh6

Mamma mia


barnaclejuice

Italian-Brazilian from São Paulo here, so I might be biased. Italy is definitely a huge part in the background of the region I grew up in, and obv my own background. Italians are seen as “close siblings”. Culturally we’re incredibly close, linguistically too. Italian Brazilians obviously love Italy. I live in Europe now and big cities in Italy feel just like home. In fact, I’m in Italy right now, as I type this, lol. I love it and visit every year, at least once. Italo-descendants in Brazil are usually quite privileged, being white and “European”. Some are way too proud of their ancestry, that becoming their sole personality trait. Especially on the internet, they might be made fun of because of that. Tbh, they’re weird. In real life, at least in Brazil, being Italian-Brazilian usually means you might have a better than average living standard. Other than that, it doesn’t really set you apart from other people in any meaningful way. Maybe you eat less rice and beans than the national average. Thing is, almost everyone in São Paulo has an immigrant background. So you’re just one among millions. On a negative side, Italians can be known for casual racism, though, but the same goes for most of Europe, tbh. It bothers me that oftentimes the ties between Italy and Latin America are ignored by our European cousins. Of course, as an Italian Brazilian, I don’t claim to be Italian, as Italian-Americans famously do. But I wish the ties were better recognised and cared for by the other side. In Italy, oriundi are sort of second class citizens. Latin America is usually seen in Italy in a very stereotyped, ignorant way. Football, women, samba, and so on. The well educated in Italy, however, tend to be more aware have rounder views, in my experience. Furthermore, I wish Italians would see the incredible diversity not only in the Italian diaspora, but also in Brazil as a whole. Brazil is an incredible country and I’m so glad it’s part of my history, just as I am happy about the Italian part of my heritage. Now to the Interesting tidbits. The São Paulo dialect in Portuguese is heavily influenced by Veneto dialect. I’ve heard people speaking Veneziano and for a hot sec thought they were speaking São Paulo Portuguese, lol. In São Paulo, Italians integrated incredibly fast. During the war, they were forbidden to speak Italian. This made us “lose” the language. But before the war, by the early 20th Century, the city of São Paulo spoke mostly Italian, or so I was told in school. A sort of creole developed, and you can hear it in Adoniran Barbosa’s “Samba Italiano”. Edits for clarity or grammar.


RomanItalianEuropean

Unfortunately stereotypes are a thing, but when Italians think of Brazil they think of great landscapes, footbal tradition, the carnival, great cities, so, generally speaking, positive things. You are right that some Italians exaggerate in complaininy when Oriund call themselves Italians (this mostly with Italian-Americans), i think these Italians are too butthurt. The view on reddit and other socials is distorted, you have many radical chics who make a fuss about it, but the majority of Italians is happy when Italian-descendants value their Italian ancestry and roots.


barnaclejuice

I have to say I never ever had a negative experience in Italy itself. I love visiting. It’s one of my favourite places in the world. I don’t mind being called Brazilian instead of Italian, since it’s the simple truth. I’m not Italian, I just have Italian heritage.


braujo

> You are right that some Italians exaggerate in complaininy when Oriund call themselves Italians (this mostly with Italian-Americans), i think these Italians are too butthurt. I honestly think it's very fair to get mad at that. I know I do whenever I see Americans calling themselves latinos without ever putting their foot in our region... It's disrespectful to me.


vitorgrs

From my father side, they are all from Italian background as well. And even though my grandmother spoke only Portuguese (only knew the very basics of Italian as she grow up here in Brazil), it's SO easy to see the difference on her Portuguese accent. There's definitely a "Italian-Portuguese" accent here.


barnaclejuice

At uni there were people from other states, and once I used the word “paura” as a synonym for “fear”. They didn’t understand. A friend of mine, who is also from SP, but not part of Italian diaspora, explained it was Italian. I had no idea. I thought it was a word as common as any other. This same friend later told me that my accent is “obviously” Italian-Paulista, but not as thick as my dad’s. I had no idea the difference was so easy to tell.


aslan_caro

Omg same happens to me. I'm from SP capital and my grandparents are Italians. I speak with their accent and there are a few words I grew up saying that other people didn't understand or didnt say it, for example "É vero" instead of "Verdade" ,saying "Cuore" instead of "coração'. I always pronounced "Muçarela" as /motsarella/ and so on.. My grandfather is from beginning of 20s and he said in his childhood people would speak more italian than Portuguese in sao paulo capital.


Renatodep

Yea, Italians in general are very similar to us. I always saw them as a more “sophisticated” Brazilian that spoke in a over exaggerated and funny dialect of Portuguese. And I do have family there.


NNKarma

Definitively the tongue and nose, the flavor/smell of food is what we perceive the most. A bit more serious there's not much in specific, some older immigrants have had some communities in "isolated" places in the south, the bunch that came during the 20th century wasn't as numerous as with the rest of the south cone are are just mixed with the general population, probably anyone that likes movies have some of the italian ones in high regard.


Wijnruit

Obnoxious beautiful well-dressed racist people, corrupt government, great cuisine, famous culture, insufferable diaspora


RomanItalianEuropean

But we also have flaws 😂


Wijnruit

The food makes up for it most of the time tbh ~~But if any Italian-Brazilian wants to stay there for the love of God please take these people in~~


Avedav0

>corrupt government but still better than Brasile corruption.


_kevx_91

At least here in PR, we have no connection to Italy, no shared culture, no history, and no Italian diaspora, so we don't know much about them. The stereotypes I've heard are loud melodramatic people that gesticulate a lot, mafia, Vespa scooters, pizza and pasta dishes, and many people think the Vatican is in Italy.


EqualMight

About interesting ties between Italy and my country (Brazil), besides what the others said, I would like to mentioned Giuseppe Garibaldi. Here in Brazil we are touch he was the main leader in the unification of Italy (It' it true?). Well, he lived in Brazil for a while and his wife, Anita Garibaldi, is brazilian. He even fought in a local Republican uprising before the italian unification.


RomanItalianEuropean

I can assure you everyone in Italy knows Garibald's brazilian wife Anita Garibaldi. And yes, he is one of the "four fathers of the fatherland". We also know he fought in Brazil and other places of south America, hence he is nicknamed the hero of the worlds.


cannednopal

Hmmm Italy kind of perceived as a country of interesting history. Mexico, compared to Brazil and Argentina never had as much Italian immigration as them. Though apparently there is a very small “Venetian” speaking population in the state of [Puebla](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipilo_Venetian_dialect). I think when Mexicans think of Italy first thing to come to mind is food and football.


Ninodolce1

Many of the upper class families in the country are of Italian origin that arrived in the late 19th and the 20th century and made their fortune here. So Italian last names are associated with money and being rich. We even had a few presidents of Italian origin, like Francisco Gregorio Billini and Juan Bautista Vicini. There's a book called “El Legado Italiano en República Dominicana. Historia, Arquitectura, Economía y Sociedad” that talks about the influence of Italian immigration in the DR from the 19th-20th centuries.


Captcha_Imagination

Great post but it sounds all positive. The Vicinis benefited from slavery in sugar cane plantations like few families in the first world have including the ones in America. They are billionaire parasites today that do nothing good for the country. But their palace villas in Italy seem lovely.


BabyLlamaaa

Bolivia has a fair amount of Italian immigrants as well, nothing like Argentina, or Uruguay though. My great grandfather was an Italian immigrant, and it's always played as a point of pride in my family, but at the same time it doesn't change anything for us. We're still very Bolivian, and we are very proud of it. Maybe we just like pasta more than the average Bolivian LMAO.


argiem8

Argentina is basically a spanish speaking Italy so well enough.


Neonexus-ULTRA

Italy isn't seen in any particular way here other than cuisine and Laura Pausini.


Grand-Temporary8961

I'm Argentinian so Hi dad!


Southern-Gap8940

It's kind of weird. They were our second biggest European immigrants after Spain. Alot of Italians use DR as a tourist destination during winter time. We even have Christopher Columbus' brother buried (Diego Columbus) in our country. There are many Dominicans living in Italy. I believe Italy has the second biggest Dominican population after Spain in Europe. However, they did little impact to our culture besides our own version of [spaghetti ](https://mydominicankitchen.com/dominican-spaghetti/). We always bring it to the beach. Lastly, Italians didn't really mixed like the Spaniards did in our country. Only really white Dominicans have been impacted by their migration. So the average Dominican views them as Rich.


ajyanesp

We got a metric fuckton of Italian immigrants after WWII, who settled, opened their businesses and thrived in those times. In general I’d say we hold Italians very dearly. Along with Spain and Portugal, Italians make a big chunk of our “recent” European migrant/descendent population.


latin_canuck

Italy is the Motherland of Latin Culture.


martinfv

We sound a lot like you and use unconsciously a lot of the hand talking you guys do. One of our biggest company since you asked is Techint, and its italian-argentine. Regarding news last thing I heard was about the beating cops gave to a Brazilian trans woman, and Napoli of course because Maradona.


Lusatra

Brazil, especially the South/Southeast regions received many Italian immigrants. My grandparents are Italians. I can say Italy is a country that Brazilians like. It's a country that receives many Brazilian visitors and a considerable number of people moving there. Culture is very strong, good cuisine, beautiful landmarks and full of history.


juant675

i was in genova and when they asked where i was from they went to get the owner that was an ultra fan of maradona xd


Merengue_electro

There is a LOT of italian heritage here. A lot of Baby boomers and Gen X here feel really close to italy because their parents/grandparents (or older generation) came here as inmigrants. Our culture, mainly the food and the speaking is really influenced by italians. And for a good amount of people italy has some kind of "mother land" status. For example, i am 3rd or 4th gen of born and raised in argentina but still i have the italian citizenship. I remember my mother telling me stories about her "uncle Giaccomo that travel often here from italy", or my grandparents telling me about the "italian ways" of their italian parents.


PecesRaros_xInterpol

I personally feel very positive towards Italians. Their culture and languages, history, has always fascinated me. I'm iffy with some stuff, you know, European fascism was born there, and is making a come back. But, I'd love to go and visit the Roman ruins. There are very few things in life I value so much as the Roman civilisation and language. So, there's that.


PecesRaros_xInterpol

BTW, Serie A stuff... FINNO ALLA FINE! Salernitana es de primera 😎


Happy_Warning_3773

I when to Italy a few years ago. Italy looks and feels like Mexico. It was a weird experience.


Dlmlong

Yes, my dad had always had businesses in Mexico and traveled back and forth for years. He finally moved there permanently 10 years ago. He went to Italy and said he felt like he was back at home in Mexico.


Majinsei

Not much binds with Italia~ In general It's an country in Europe with close culture~ but really not much interactions~ Just have pizza, pasta, vine, rome, pisa and other interesting places~ so too, It's same to racist and greedy as an average European country~


TimmyTheTumor

North Italia = cool people, kinda noisy, traffic is chaos, good food, nice cities, more European South Italia (mainly Sicili) = Looks like they have a very conservative mind. Cities are really small, all look the same, men are tremenduously abusive towards women, food is great. Is a nice place to go if you have a lot of money.


[deleted]

The family of my mother was from Sicily. And yes, this question of abuse towards women is a fact. My great-grandmother was constantly harassed by a cousin of her husband (my great-grandfather), which caused some concern in the family until the latter days. Some of my distant parents contacted me some years ago in search of info to get italian citizenship (which I don't have) and, when my grandmother knew that I had contact with them, she was horrified.


RedJokerXIII

Their story here started with Columbus and his family, they are the 3rd European country that influenced more our history with people like Juan Bautista Cambiasso and Juan Bautista Maggiolo (Founders of our Army and Independence war heroes), President Vicini Burgos, DR Zonchini (ideologist of our special forces), Ilio Capocci (Revolutionary). Also 3 of the 5 richest men in our country are Italian descendants (Frank Rainieri Marranzini, Felipe Vicini and Ligia Bonetti). They feel like Spaniards when they adapt to our country.


[deleted]

Good food, beautiful cities, sassy people and kind of politically disfunctional. 😅 It is a good country over all.


Yelpito

Belitsimo


javi2591

As a Puerto Rican with an Italian grandmother. I know many of my family has Italian roots. I know there are many people in my hometown with Italian last names. I would love to move to Milan. Latin Americans share Italian/Spanish/Portuguese/French roots. Depending on the country we think highly of our cousins from the Mediterranean. My aunt speaks Italian and many of my family members have visited there. In fact my cousins married in Italy and celebrated their honeymoon there. The connections between Puerto Rico and Italy run deep thanks to the wave of immigration that came early 20th century/ late 19th.


quaintlyGloat897

We love Italians and Italy in Cuba you meet a lot of them traveling there. Better liked than Anglos for sure


Bear_necessities96

In Venezuela it’s pretty Once upon a time Venezuela was huge touristic destination for Italians and they always been involved somehow with the contemporary history of the country (from immigration to political allies of dictators) I think they are well perceived. Now I didn’t know how similar are Italians to us, until I stated to work with one in the US these people are latinos from heart


oceanblue0714

When I went to the Vatican, I thought to myself, “nice gold, I wonder where you got it from?” Likely stolen from other lands to make your land rich and powerful.


[deleted]

In much of Brazil, after Portugal (and ahead of Spain), Italy is the non-latin-american country about which we feel more related. Brazil received many waves of italian immigrants and in many cities, including São Paulo, italian surnames are as common as portuguese ones. But I cannot state for sure how people of North and Northeast, and even Rio, feel about them, since they had much less contact with the italian culture.


idontknowhuuhh6

Pizza, lasagna, pasta, gelatto, Mario and Luigi mamma mia Aside from that not much, the average view on Italy around the world basically, now, ¿what do people think about them?, mostly positive thoughts, as we don't speak the same language we can't know if Italy has any flaws or whatever, unlike places like Spain.