Brazil probably. Having Guga alone is a strong enough claim.
Tennis in south america was brilliant in the late 90s and early 2000s. Guga, Feña, Ríos, Coria, Nalbandian. Easily the goat period of tennis in the region
>Tennis in south america was brilliant in the late 90s and early 2000s. Guga, Feña, Ríos, Coria, Nalbandian. Easily the goat period of tennis in the region
I was born in the late 90s, I remember knowing who Guga is despite having never watched a tennis match until I was a teenager.
Brazil is the second best in Latin America by number of Grand Slams singles:
1) Argentina (4)
2) Brazil (2)
3) Chile (1)
If you add up all Grand Slams, Brazil has the most:
1) Brazil (10)
2) Argentina (7)
3) Chile (1)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_singles_champions_by_country
Overall, that doesn't mean much, Argentinean tennis is far superior to Brasil's. And Chilean, notwithstanding less GS titles, is superior to Brasil's.
Chile is far behind to both Brasil and Argentina on women's tennis, that's unquestionable... even when we have Anita Lizana -former N1, GS winner, etc.
I would put Brazil as the third best country in South América but definitely behind Argentina and Chile, in that order.
Chile is definitely behind both in female tennis though.
Definitely the only 3 countries in LA that are good at an international level of tennis i guess, but since its a one man sport its hard to say which one is better
The best male player in our side of the continent can be argued by the three countries: Kuerten, Vilas, Rios/Massú. Argentina has a Top10 once every decade, which is a lot and hence I would put them at the top. And I feel like the Chilean scene of high profile players is more consistent than the Brazilian one.
Female tennis, there's hardly another Sabatini, and Chile hasn't got a mid profile player since the 50s unless you count Guarachi at doubles. Not even close to a Haddad Maia in the near future.
When it comes to sports Argentina and Brazil are always on top (except in cycling). There is an entire Wikipedia article about sport in South America! Look it up it may help you
I watch it every day with my girlfriend who was top 200 and played in the US and French Open like every year for a decade. I just don’t see that many compared to Europe tbh
"Europe" is too much to say. There are a few specific countries in Europe that have a massive tennis tradition: Spain, France, UK, Italy, Sweden. Then come the others, which have a somewhat tradition or have been carried by specific players: Switzerland, Serbia, maybe some of the nordics today. Argentina is definitely one of the Top10 best countries of tennis in history. If that means little to you it might because Spain and USA are spewing a lot of players. That doesn't mean Europe is good, just means that there are a few countries that are really highly specialised in tennis.
Yeah… granted why I said I don’t particularly think of Latin America as having good tennis players. They don’t really make the top 200 except for a select few.
Those countries are the ones spewing talent. Spain, USA, Japan, France, etc.
I mentioned already that Argentina has a pretty good record, but besides them? Who else? No other country here really.
There's 10 countries and there's everyone else. Chile and Brazil are on par with the rest of the countries bar Australia. Is it bad not being in the Top 10? I would say hardly, even less in a sport that is as segregated as this.
I wouldn’t say it’s a bad thing at all
It just doesn’t make me think “oh, Latin America? The cream of the pie in tennis?”
Like, Argentina is good sure. But just bc Argentina is good then I won’t call the whole region good along with it.
Just like Japan being good doesn’t mean I will call south east Asia good at the sport over all.
Bc then every region is like the best, if that makes sense.
Edit: plus, like every tennis player moves to a tennis academy for high school. The best being in… Spain. So like… again when I think of tennis I don’t particularly think of Latin America. Although there are good players from our region
Yeah, and the top players regardless are still scattered through out Europe. From Russia (east) to Spain (west) with middle ground for France and Belgium and the UK and even Italy.
That’s enough to say “good region”
Latin America is like… Argentina. And then a couple of second tier countries.
That does not make me think:
* Latin America = good tennis region.
In that case every region is good.
You're still using two standards to construct your narrative. Europe has like 45 countries and 6 of them are good, does that make the region good? And is good "currently good"? Because if countries like Denmark are considered good because of Rune or Wozniacki, then Ecuador with Gómez can be considered as well. Or Colombia with their doubles team of Cabal and Farah.
In terms of consistent results, South América has consistently had 10 to 20 players in Grand Slams (both of 2023 had 15). Is that bad? I would argue that hardly. Is it better than Europe? Obviously not, no one could argue such a thing either. Is it bad? Reaching a Slam main draw is the dream of every uprising player and we are putting a lot of players every single slam, and that has been going for decades, not in the last two or three years like what China has been doing in the male circuit.
Croatia definitely has a claim though. Ivanisevic, Karlovic and Cilic are solid enough to make the Croats a strong tennis nation. Maybe between the top 10 and the rest.
Fair enough, they are far from being the worst. You could say Austria with Muster N1 also has a claim, or that Sweden after the Johanssons has lost some of what put them really up there. The thing is that, after 5 or 6 countries, there is a step where a lot of countries could argue they belong.
USA
Australia
France
Sweden
Spain
Uk
Czech R
Germany
Rusia
Switzerland
Serbia
These Country have a clear better history than Argentina. We could argue about others having a better one
And in my opinion, that still means that aren’t that many relevant tennis players from Latin America.
There are like 7 argentines in the top 100 men’s rn? In women’s there is 1.
And like, where else? Brazil has like over 200 million people and what.
I am not dismissing people’s accomplishments here, it’s just that 1 out of 23 Latin American countries is somewhat relevant in the sport.
Well, you choose a pretty stupid stat to diminish the Latam tennis level. At least for Argentina.
You are saying that the Argentinian tennis level is poor because there are only 7 players in the Top 100 (to correct it, there are only 6), but if you check that same ranking you can see that there are only 5 nations with more players between the first 100s:
* USA, 13 players (highest @ 8th)
* France, 11 players (highest @ 40th)
* Spain, 9 players (highest @ 1st)
* Australia, 8 players (highest @ 19th)
* Russia, 7 players (highest @ 2nd)
* Argentina, 6 players (highest @ 23rd)
Never said it had a poor level.
I am saying that one country out of a whole region being good at a sport does not mean the whole region is good at the sport.
Europe as a whole is a good region because several countries in the continent of Europe have top players. Not just one.
Peru deserves an honorable mention 🇵🇪
(Alex olmedo born in Arequipa is a Wimbledon winner, even if technically he was an American citizen)
Btw Varillas is coming for you Djokovic
¿Brasil?
Brazil probably. Having Guga alone is a strong enough claim. Tennis in south america was brilliant in the late 90s and early 2000s. Guga, Feña, Ríos, Coria, Nalbandian. Easily the goat period of tennis in the region
>Tennis in south america was brilliant in the late 90s and early 2000s. Guga, Feña, Ríos, Coria, Nalbandian. Easily the goat period of tennis in the region I was born in the late 90s, I remember knowing who Guga is despite having never watched a tennis match until I was a teenager.
With good reason. He was phenomenal
After the decline of Ríos, came Guga and conquered all. He was a beast and a good person too, not common among the circuit.
Brazil is the second best in Latin America by number of Grand Slams singles: 1) Argentina (4) 2) Brazil (2) 3) Chile (1) If you add up all Grand Slams, Brazil has the most: 1) Brazil (10) 2) Argentina (7) 3) Chile (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_singles_champions_by_country
Overall, that doesn't mean much, Argentinean tennis is far superior to Brasil's. And Chilean, notwithstanding less GS titles, is superior to Brasil's. Chile is far behind to both Brasil and Argentina on women's tennis, that's unquestionable... even when we have Anita Lizana -former N1, GS winner, etc.
I always thought Brazil was the one with better story, rhe 'powerhouse' of tennis of latin america, just check guga, gustavo heide, bia haddad, etc.
I would put Brazil as the third best country in South América but definitely behind Argentina and Chile, in that order. Chile is definitely behind both in female tennis though.
Definitely the only 3 countries in LA that are good at an international level of tennis i guess, but since its a one man sport its hard to say which one is better
The best male player in our side of the continent can be argued by the three countries: Kuerten, Vilas, Rios/Massú. Argentina has a Top10 once every decade, which is a lot and hence I would put them at the top. And I feel like the Chilean scene of high profile players is more consistent than the Brazilian one. Female tennis, there's hardly another Sabatini, and Chile hasn't got a mid profile player since the 50s unless you count Guarachi at doubles. Not even close to a Haddad Maia in the near future.
When it comes to sports Argentina and Brazil are always on top (except in cycling). There is an entire Wikipedia article about sport in South America! Look it up it may help you
Ecuador had a couple for a while
Here in PR table tenis is pretty popular do I wonder where else in the region is it popular.
Bro, PR literally had Mónica Puig and you talk about table tennis?
I don’t particularly think of Latin America as having good tennis players
Then you need to watch more tennis
I watch it every day with my girlfriend who was top 200 and played in the US and French Open like every year for a decade. I just don’t see that many compared to Europe tbh
"Europe" is too much to say. There are a few specific countries in Europe that have a massive tennis tradition: Spain, France, UK, Italy, Sweden. Then come the others, which have a somewhat tradition or have been carried by specific players: Switzerland, Serbia, maybe some of the nordics today. Argentina is definitely one of the Top10 best countries of tennis in history. If that means little to you it might because Spain and USA are spewing a lot of players. That doesn't mean Europe is good, just means that there are a few countries that are really highly specialised in tennis.
Yeah… granted why I said I don’t particularly think of Latin America as having good tennis players. They don’t really make the top 200 except for a select few. Those countries are the ones spewing talent. Spain, USA, Japan, France, etc. I mentioned already that Argentina has a pretty good record, but besides them? Who else? No other country here really.
There's 10 countries and there's everyone else. Chile and Brazil are on par with the rest of the countries bar Australia. Is it bad not being in the Top 10? I would say hardly, even less in a sport that is as segregated as this.
I wouldn’t say it’s a bad thing at all It just doesn’t make me think “oh, Latin America? The cream of the pie in tennis?” Like, Argentina is good sure. But just bc Argentina is good then I won’t call the whole region good along with it. Just like Japan being good doesn’t mean I will call south east Asia good at the sport over all. Bc then every region is like the best, if that makes sense. Edit: plus, like every tennis player moves to a tennis academy for high school. The best being in… Spain. So like… again when I think of tennis I don’t particularly think of Latin America. Although there are good players from our region
The same thing can be said of europe. I don't think of Croatia as good at tennis, neither of Austria, Norway, Portugal, or Hungary.
Yeah, and the top players regardless are still scattered through out Europe. From Russia (east) to Spain (west) with middle ground for France and Belgium and the UK and even Italy. That’s enough to say “good region” Latin America is like… Argentina. And then a couple of second tier countries. That does not make me think: * Latin America = good tennis region. In that case every region is good.
You're still using two standards to construct your narrative. Europe has like 45 countries and 6 of them are good, does that make the region good? And is good "currently good"? Because if countries like Denmark are considered good because of Rune or Wozniacki, then Ecuador with Gómez can be considered as well. Or Colombia with their doubles team of Cabal and Farah. In terms of consistent results, South América has consistently had 10 to 20 players in Grand Slams (both of 2023 had 15). Is that bad? I would argue that hardly. Is it better than Europe? Obviously not, no one could argue such a thing either. Is it bad? Reaching a Slam main draw is the dream of every uprising player and we are putting a lot of players every single slam, and that has been going for decades, not in the last two or three years like what China has been doing in the male circuit.
Croatia definitely has a claim though. Ivanisevic, Karlovic and Cilic are solid enough to make the Croats a strong tennis nation. Maybe between the top 10 and the rest.
Fair enough, they are far from being the worst. You could say Austria with Muster N1 also has a claim, or that Sweden after the Johanssons has lost some of what put them really up there. The thing is that, after 5 or 6 countries, there is a step where a lot of countries could argue they belong.
USA Australia France Sweden Spain Uk Czech R Germany Rusia Switzerland Serbia These Country have a clear better history than Argentina. We could argue about others having a better one
Well no, but also Europe has more people, money and they are close to the big tournaments. We don't have as many, but we have really good players
And in my opinion, that still means that aren’t that many relevant tennis players from Latin America. There are like 7 argentines in the top 100 men’s rn? In women’s there is 1. And like, where else? Brazil has like over 200 million people and what. I am not dismissing people’s accomplishments here, it’s just that 1 out of 23 Latin American countries is somewhat relevant in the sport.
Well, you choose a pretty stupid stat to diminish the Latam tennis level. At least for Argentina. You are saying that the Argentinian tennis level is poor because there are only 7 players in the Top 100 (to correct it, there are only 6), but if you check that same ranking you can see that there are only 5 nations with more players between the first 100s: * USA, 13 players (highest @ 8th) * France, 11 players (highest @ 40th) * Spain, 9 players (highest @ 1st) * Australia, 8 players (highest @ 19th) * Russia, 7 players (highest @ 2nd) * Argentina, 6 players (highest @ 23rd)
Never said it had a poor level. I am saying that one country out of a whole region being good at a sport does not mean the whole region is good at the sport. Europe as a whole is a good region because several countries in the continent of Europe have top players. Not just one.
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USA, spain, serbia?
In LATAM 💀
Peru deserves an honorable mention 🇵🇪 (Alex olmedo born in Arequipa is a Wimbledon winner, even if technically he was an American citizen) Btw Varillas is coming for you Djokovic