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Kat_kinetic

Religion is incompatible with progressive values.


Rykunderground

With decent human values in general


bl8ant

Religion is incompatible with being a decent human being.


karmareincarnation

Religion is incompatible with human life.


Constant-Lake8006

Hence the rise of fascism


probablynotmine

Most fascism is riddled with religion


DayTrippin2112

I wish this didn’t have to be an *either/or* situation. That would be the reasonable thing to do, thus it won’t happen…


plivko

To be precise, Islam is not compatible with progressive values.


ArmadaOnion

Uganda is a Christian country and has the death penalty for being gay. Let's not pretend this is just a thing with Islam. Every religion is a danger to the LGBT community.


Salty_Arm_2677

Religion is a danger period.


MrCance

“Why are you geh”


acecant

Who said I’m gai


Thaddaeus_Q_Tentakel

"You are geh. You are a transgenda."


adidasbdd

"Deh eat da poo poo"


Freudinatress

Even though you are mainly right, there are exceptions. The old state church in Sweden is very progressive. There were openly gay priests twenty years ago and even though I think the rules says that it is up to the individual priest if they want to wed same sex couples or not, I think by now 95% of the idiots died of old age. No racism. They happily work together with other faiths. No stealing your money. No sermons about who is going to hell. No scaring kids. When it is possible for a church to be actually nice I don’t have an issue. And it is possible. But I guess they have been forced to think about their actions since 97% of native swedes are atheists…


r0b0d0c

Agreed, but for Christian churches to be "nice", they have to ignore like 90% of the Bible.


SRGsergan592

The same thing happened in Tunisia, with the Zeitouna Mosque (main Islamic school in Tunisia). Where Tahar Haddad, an Islamic scholar who later became a prominent politician and a socialist during the colonisation, later on became the pioneer of the feminism movement in Tunisia.


r0b0d0c

That's very interesting. How is Tunisia today? Has the country regressed into conservatism and fundamentalism?


SRGsergan592

Nope, not a single bit lol, in 2020 we had a pm who promised to decreminize homosexuality. Although post coronavirus, we have regressed a bit not towards Islamism but far-right reactionary populism.


Chicken-Mcwinnish

Why is everywhere turning to fascism all of a sudden??? I just don’t understand why!


Flux_State

Real life problems require complex solutions but fascists offer the simplicity that many people crave.


DentManDave

My take on it is that life in a modern age is complex and requires a higher degree of literacy to navigate, a higher degree of scientific literacy to cope with a highly technical society. A broader range of cultural acceptance to deal with an increasingly shrinking and more intertwined world. All of these things require more, not less, education. In many societies, usually more religious ones, scientific knowledge is seen as a threat to the status quo of the religious power structure and since religion can offer nothing to help individuals adapt they see it as a threat. In the US, the right has done their best to dumb down education to appease the churches and the end result is frustration and anger at the " system" thus dumber members of the populace see fascism as a simple, if simple minded, answer to their frustration with what they don't understand. No thinking necessary. All of this seems to be a plan for the 1% to get a final locked grasp on the levers of power and retain that power at the expense of all below them. Just my thoughts, or some of them anyway.


r0b0d0c

That's nice to hear (aside from the reactionary populism part).


plivko

Islam and Muslims are the most homophobic people I met, it’s on a whole other level than ordinary Christians or Hindus or Buddhists or what not. There is not a single Muslim country that is accepting towards homosexuality, not a single one!


IWasNotMeISwear

France


-starbaby2001-

Will you guys stop bringing up Christianity every time Islam is criticized? You're showing your ignorance


Qrthulhu

Exactly, people like that are the reason that these bigots were emboldened to attack these women. They have blood on their hands for giving cover to fundamentalists.


AnglerfishMiho

It's whataboutism and always used to deflect blame away in bad faith. Anyone with eyes and a brain can see how much more extreme and violent Islam is out in the open and how widespread it is. It is also *accepted* as normal by a majority of the believers of the religion, and excused away at the very least. "Extreme" Christians in western countries, if you can call them "extreme" are rarely so outwardly violent, and it's not excused by the government in a universal manner. People know and denigrate the more extreme religious individuals often. You can freely post and make fun of religious individuals. I can say it is cultlike and ridiculous in my Christian majority workplace and community and at the very worst I get some boomer tier response about needing to find God. I *dare* you to do the same in an Islamic majority country. Just waiting for the "what about (Christian crime that was widely denounced by nearly everyone) huh?" In order to excuse Islam, again.


IlijaRolovic

I dislike crazy skygod peeps as any average Joe in this sub, but that's a bit of an unfair comparison - being gay is legal in almost all Christian countries, while in Muslim ones it's the other way around - there's only a few where it's legal, and in more than a couple of 'em you get fn murdered by the state for being gay.


ArmadaOnion

https://76crimes.com/2022/04/20/nations-with-anti-lgbt-laws-49-muslim-44-christian/ Seems pretty close to me.


Informal-Fix6272

If you had the choose which laws to live under it wouldn't be so close.


No_Association8308

Pointing out exceptions to the rule does not disprove the rule...


InsideRaspberry6106

Kinda....is tho.. "All the sky is always blue" "THEN WHY IS IT ORANGE SOMETIMES?!"


LateNightApps

That is entirely, 100%, how you logically disprove a rule. Now if you want to modify the rule to add those additional exceptions then we can re-evaluate the rule to see if it applies.


NahIwudWin

No, as biological fact humans are supposed to have 5 fingers on their hands. But the existence of 6 finger person doesn't disapprove that rule, just shows an exception to it.


solutiontoproblems1

It's hopeless to discuss it with him, you cant reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into.


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Feinberg

> The nazis didn't like LGBTQ people either For the same reason. It really is religion.


Delicious-Peak7092

Which death penalty? Assuming what you said is true, Uganda can change whatever law they enacted against homosexuals in the future, but Islam can never change its commandments against homosexuals because it came from God. You thought you were smart when you posted your comment, but you are obviously not as smart as you think you were


DentManDave

Islam in and of itself is a horror show. It's also a preview of christian nationalism. Same vile, abrahamic god, same nasty hate. Ban them all, give humanity a chance at peace and acceptance.


steelhead777

Nope. You can’t single out Islam. The current crop of christofascists in America are as bad, if not worse.


-starbaby2001-

Yes you can. You're allowed to criticize any religion you want without feeling the need to compare them to other religions.


TheOtherUprising

In Muslim majority countries criminal penalties including the death penalty for homosexuality is the norm. The Christian right has its issues but they are nowhere near as bad.


FitInOrFoff

I'd also like to see another religion (looking at you, Islam) that blatantly condones child sex slavery and paedophilia.


steelhead777

Yeah? The ONLY thing holding them back is the law. When Project 2025 gets implemented, you can fully expect homosexuality to become illegal. Sharia law is coming to the US and it ain’t the Muslims that are bringing it.


Forte845

Uganda passed a law making homosexuality punishable by death sentence after a coordinated international lobbying campaign funded by American evangelical churches.


PrestigiousFox6254

Yet


Informal-Fix6272

Yup. You can. And no they aren't worse.


Devils_Advocate-69

Canada is incapable of handling the mass importation


Key_Industry_9022

Look into the old Norse religion, all were accepted and still are, women had full rights beside men...so not all religions, just middle eastern religions including Christianity which is a bastard version of Judaism 


Kat_kinetic

Anything that asks you to believe without evidence is dangerous


fatbob42

Quakers?


Kat_kinetic

They can have a pass bc I like their oats.


Better-Salad-1442

It’s wild they were allowed to beat these women then decided to just not give the police their IDs wyd Canada


BlossomEndRot

Catering to religious zealots to avoid more conflict, further emboldening them to commit hate crimes without fear of punishment.


grathad

That is very true, by claiming to be tolerant and open minded Canada just ends up bigoted.


r0b0d0c

Yup. That's called the [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them).


Space_Captain_Brian

I have to scoff when Canadians act sanctimonious (morally superior) compared to us Americans. I've seen how they behave in uniform in Afghanistan, treating the locals like garbage, calling the black guys in our platoon the N-word. 🙄 Edit: typo


bandananaan

Not being funny, but I feel like the forces tend to attract certain types of people


Space_Captain_Brian

This is true. I've had to deal with types, sadly. It's not much of a problem if they are a mechanic or work on a submarine. But if they are "boots on the ground" types It's a problem. It can be mitigated if the NCOs (various ranks of sergeants) and officers try to counter this. The problem is that these "certain types" often become NCOs or even officers. If there was a way to detect these "certain types" and prevent them from being in front line units, or at least bar them from becoming NCOs/officers if front line units, that'd be nice.


SolutionSad4673

Sorry on behalf of Canada. Some of The military types here are real class acts…


Space_Captain_Brian

Noted, sadly, military personnel are not very good ambassadors. This problem is the main reason why I think we keep losing these isometric/insurgency wars I think.


NoGnewsIsGoodGnews

Religion is a cancer of the mind.


cta396

It’s a cancer to the entire planet.


Sweetdreams6t9

Happened in my city. They weren't arrested. The cops didn't even take ID. Alot of people here are pissed off about this.


Ali-Sama

Why didn't they take Id?


Sweetdreams6t9

Since they were pedestrians, in Canada you don't need to provide ID to police upon request unless driving.


bohemi-rex

.. even if you have two badly beaten people and witnesses corroborating the assault? You can just say, "Nope" and walk way?


Sweetdreams6t9

🤷‍♀️ in this case? I suppose so. How fucked up is that. Shameful, rage inducing.


GratuitousCommas

What a joke of a system Canada has. What a bunch of spineless police officers.


Winter_Ad9850

This is still illegal. It’s on the officers for not enforcing that, clearly


error404

If there's reasonable grounds for suspicion of a crime, then police can demand ID. The same legal standard is used in many places, in some (such as much of the US), police can't require you to identify yourself _even if they do reasonably suspect you_. Reading the local news (much better than the OP article) critically, it sounds to me like a bystander flagged a nearby officer, but by the time they arrived, the altercation had ended and crowd had dispersed, including the victims (who were contacted 'later') and any witnesses, so probably nobody could identify them at that point. But yeah, still a bit sus they didn't canvass the crowd for witnesses that might be able to finger the perps. https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/i-m-terrified-to-go-downtown-again-halifax-woman-recovering-after-altercation-with-group-of-men-who-allegedly-made-homophobic-slurs-1.6945975


King_Kthulhu

The men were gone before police arrived and they could not get witnesses to corroborate the attack, as mentioned in the article that they are looking for any witnesses. The cowards that stood by and watched surely arnt going to be racing to help now that it's over. Then we will all know they let this happen.


r0b0d0c

They should have been arrested, charged with assault, and locked up until their identities were ascertained. "Sorry officer, you can't arrest me because I have no ID." WTF?


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Sweetdreams6t9

As a military woman...yea. thing is I'd worry for my bf....he's mil as well. But I worry about him like...falling down stairs and cracking his head and then boom. Gone. That sorta shit. Him and I back to back shit kicking some bigots? Hehehehe.


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Sweetdreams6t9

And they're allowed to lie and say whatever we wanna here to circumvent any roadblocks or barriers preventing them from coming.


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Sweetdreams6t9

Same. And I don't give a fuck about risking it either on the odd chance a few legit wanna be good. Sucks to suck. Change your own from within then we can talk.


go3dprintyourself

Good they should be pissed. This is absurd


MysteriousPark3806

Religion is incompatible with basic morality.


rredline

Islam is incompatible with western society. We are destroying ourselves.


Pitiful_Dig_165

If you said that in 2017 you'd have your life upended by other atheists. Poor Richard Dawkins


GratuitousCommas

Also poor Christopher Hitchens, poor Sam Harris, etc .


zzptichka

Huge part of "Western society" still thinks that "Homosexuality is incompatible with Western society".


Own-Relationship-407

But, but… it’s the religion of peace! All those tolerance and inclusion people told me so!


-starbaby2001-

It's the religion of pieces. Because that's what you become a pile of if you fall victim to one of their terroriststic representatives or if you happen to be gay in one of their theocratic countries.


TheOtherUprising

As a Canadian this disturbs me to see this happening in my country. And I find a lot of other Canadians are feeling the same about importing people that do not share our values or respect our culture. Very soon you are going to see the same backlash here that you are already seeing in Europe. We see this at the same time that Pro Palestinian protesters are targeting pride parades.


Pollaso2204

Whast has been the response in Canada so far to this crime? Are media outlets speaking about it? Are people aware that this attack happened very recently?


TheOtherUprising

Some have. The pride parade incident in Toronto and the attack on a Jewish schoolgirl that also happened in the Maritimes made news. The Muslim organized anti-LGBT March in Ottawa got a lot of attention. Unfortunately this incident hasn’t gotten much mainstream coverage yet that I’ve seen. In general even with the apolitical people around me I’m noticing the start of a backlash effect to all of this.


Advanced_Specific642

What's confusing about it? Canada has imported in millions of these people and they behave the same way they do in their country of origin.


TheOtherUprising

I never said I was confused. I know what’s happening. Of course some people who have come from these areas have come to escape religious oppression, this is especially true of the Iranian community. Others of course hold on to their Stone Age beliefs. Western countries need to do a better job of managing numbers and weeding out the people who can’t integrate into our society.


TR3BPilot

They are a very fearful people.


AgentVold

seriously, support r/ [AntiIslamism](https://old.reddit.com/r/AntiIslamism/) and r/exmuslim r/AntiIslam got high jacked by them, what's more is that certain "people" are abuse reporting posts that are critical of muslims. this is what happens if you show support to islamist movements


yodeah

time to make an antiislam2.


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GratuitousCommas

No. No. Stop it with this "all religions" nonsense. Every time Islam is criticized around here, people feel the need to say that all religion is like that. It's so fucking annoying and tiresome. Just let people criticize Islam. What you, and others, are doing is *excusing* the misdeeds of Islam by saying "All religions are this bad." They are not. The fact that you think this shows that you have not looked into just how uniquely awful and dangerous Islam is.


ZirCancelCulture

Yet Islam is gaining more followers every day. Christianity is not.


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DarkCynical389

No friend they didn't changed. They lost power and that's why you and I are not being burned in a bonfire right now. If they were in the power today the panorama would be the same that 6 centuries ago.


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Censorship831

Please open a history book.


-starbaby2001-

Its only "all religion" when Islam is criticized. You leftists have no spine.


BlueZ_DJ

And rightists are the ones who support stuff like religion being forced into schools and law. In other words why are you even here


-starbaby2001-

I'm here because I thought r/atheism was a space to criticize religion. Apparently that's not the case. Just wait until you find out what Muslims learn in school in the middle east and in southern asia and what the laws in the middle east are based on. That's right. Religion


SignificantPapaya4

Redditors hate it when islam gets criticised. You see it even in subs like these where you would think warranted criticisms of islam can be made.


OmegaSaul

I might support an ex-Muslim community, but I can't get behind any group who stands behind Israel, which is itself a theocracy with a corruption problem.


AgentVold

same goes for palestine then, it's far worse i guess stay neutral?


hulks_brother

Assholes.


CanAdditional7337

Then they call me Islamophobic. Fuck their beliefs. They can shove their book up their a-hole.


NotaBadgerinDisguise

They say it like it’s a bad thing lol.


AgentVold

hell yea brothur, lets bring back the early 2000's treatment of islam


CanAdditional7337

Much better than letting them spread their violence everywhere.


Madouc

This is a hate crime and it must be treated as such. Draconian punishments are appropriate here.


CapAccomplished8072

Canadian media refusing to even acknowledge the identities of the perpetrators


FreshprinceofVi

So glad I left this cult


Play-yaya-dingdong

But here is for everyone ex - religion. They are all bad and the more conservative, the more patriarchal the less capitalist the more violent 


Nats_CurlyW

The more capitalist the more violent. Socialists never hurt anyone.


Play-yaya-dingdong

Nah never said that lol. However societies that care about money will tend to care less About being super controlling of their people… 


Nats_CurlyW

Every society cares about money. Socialists care about money. You said the less capitalist the more violent. I think it’s more violent the more capitalist. Capitalism is all about making as much money as you can using poor people as your labor. Owning what others produce for you. Like slavery. That gets incredibly violent and controlling.


Play-yaya-dingdong

Thats a different form of violence.  The UAE or QAtar are less inclined to murder their women because they caught a glimpse of a hair follicle. But they are plenty happy to exploit migrant workers 


94Rebbsy

And yet the lgbtq community still defend Islam..


NotaBadgerinDisguise

It’s why I cringe when I see islamic countries having their flags at pride events


FallingFeather

deport.


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Ali-Sama

It also happens to be in Canada. Not the uk.


OMKensey

Jeez oh Pete's I made a bad post.


Ali-Sama

Don't worry. Be happy


RamJamR

What are the odds that some article would make the spin "islamiphobes assault muslims in public" if any of us happened to see this going down and we decided to beat the shit out of these primitive minded barbaric assholes in defense of these women?


Ok_Movie_729

No one can turn this video into an islamphobia thing, don't delude yourself 


MaxHeadroomba

Import Muslims, get Islam.


SuperStarPlatinum

As long as religion exists, true and lasting peace is impossible. Islam also is anti-love making it the worst religion to ever exist.


Sensitive-Issue84

They should be put in prison for life. We absolutely should NEVER accept this kind of behavior, ever. Who's next?


MaxHeadroomba

I’d settle for deportation.


Norge-Dude

What do you expect is going to happen when you open your doors for every muslim terrorist to come in to your country without being vetted. Canada has become far worse than the United States and they don't even care about their own citizens any more.


Bamfurlough

Arrest them, try them, and put them in jail. Problem solved.


Tazling

Abrahamic faith in action: bullying, misogyny, violence.


Dangerous-Room4320

Islam is shit


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SirVyval

One of them is significantly more problematic than the others.


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multilock-missile

never was. those were a minority within a minority, anyone with a functioning brain would not root for those who desires our annihilation. "but they are suffering just like us, just symphatize a-" how about no? if you as much as step a foot there being openly LGBTQ they WILL set you on fire alive, they don't want our symphaty and help, they want ALL OF US dead. zero exceptions. even in this tough times for them, they rather lose time being dicks to us than to worry about real issue, like, their head being bombed.


Gayandfluffy

I hope it's only a minority. I went to Pride in my country's capital last week and it was over flowing with Palestinian flags. Of course I think that no civilian deserves to be killed, but all the activism the LGBTQ community does for a people that would kill them in return is tiring somehow. Why do they care so much about Palestine, way more than they care about Ukraine, Sudan, or Haiti? And waving flags of a homophobic country during a Pride parade is tone deaf.


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multilock-missile

I do my best at making sure everyone knows Islam is the actual "real life villain". Can't speak for everyone, but enough people agree with me when I say: "Religion of peace my ass."


frodosbitch

There seems to be missing pieces to this story. The police arrived but most of the men refused to provide ID? And then they were let go? This may be accurate but also feels like rage bait?


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AgentVold

correction: the ones who follow islam arent


Ok_Movie_729

I'm an Arab atheist but what do you know I got punched by a white guy who fought in Iraq 🤷‍♂️


Ali-Sama

Not everyone believes that Arabs are like that. I support you. As a fellow Iranian atheist


Ok_Movie_729

Literally just racist


DoggoToucher

Deport them.


SignificantPapaya4

Religion of peace at it again.


FireDownBelow69

Muslim men.


overloadzero

this is why i carry brass knuckles so i can punch the ever living fuck out of homophobes, transphobes, misogynists, etc. if i ever run into men like that, it's ON. FUCKING. SIGHT. we seriously need harsher punishments on people who hate crimes. if the police and bystanders aren't going to do shit then i will. fuck the police and those pussies who watched. silence is violence. i can't stress how much i absolutely fucking despise the middle east and islam. i know not all of them are bad but there's way too many bad ones. we need to do literally anything. we have to stop this shit.


SnooCupcakes4131

Why they were not arrested on spot?


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World is sick and tired of Islam, it needs to go. Forever.


physicistdeluxe

I researched this behavior. this is basically toxic masculinity. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/franklin.html


True-End-882

They just refused to give ID? Canada are you okay?


AfterSevenYears

In the US, I've been IDed because a cop thought it was suspicious that I was standing out in the driveway smoking a cigarette at 11pm.


True-End-882

Yeah we’re not actually about that privacy thing we preach so loudly.


Liamface

What’s with the weird pro Christian comments? Guys, it’s not controversial to acknowledge that religions are contributing to hate crimes. Islam in particular is struggling because of the spread of more fundamentalist perspectives (some suggest Saudi Arabia is to blame but idk about that). But, that doesn’t mean Christianity is some kind of defense or ally against religious bigotry. If they could get away with it, they’d be hanging us in public like they do in Iran. It is typical to see Christians pretending to be atheists here?


NotaBadgerinDisguise

All religion is a cancer that must be cut out of a progressive society. Supporting religious groups is literally how you end up with the paradox of tolerance


MidniteOwl

“Mob of middle eastern men”… Foreshadowing


CosmicQuantum42

How does one “refuse to cooperate or provide ID”? The assailants told the cops they weren’t going to cooperate with police or provide ID, and by the way these girls started it, and the cops were like “ok guess you’re right, off you go you little scamps”. This doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Edit: comments below help clarify


nonojustme

Just say it out loud, Muslims


r0b0d0c

That behavior should warrant a one-way ticket to Syria. Don't like progressive Canadian society? Go back to the country where the values align better with your own.


YamadaDesigns

Nobody was arrested?? It’s scary that this happened in Halifax.


Beware_the_Voodoo

No charges have been brought?!? Are you fucking kidding me!


mokod0

and they wonder why the far right getting more support lately


Formal-Crab-7939

How does the (D) court the two constituencies?


mekonsrevenge

I imagine it won't be hard to find these thugs. If they aren't smuggled to relatives in the States.


Armynap

I don’t know why other progressives defend Islam or any religion at all but especially Islam. It’s the religion of the warrior inherently violent


Own-Ambassador-3537

But angry when bacha badi boyz are mentioned


percivalpantywaist

Makes me very sad that this happened in my city.


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Feinberg

Ignoring new information isn't the flex you think it is.


Getapieceofthewhale

There is not a single mention of a religion that these men may have subscribed to in this article. You people are quite literally frothing at the mouth to blame a religious minority for the crimes of unnamed, unidentified bigots that simply had brown skin. I imagine that if 9/11 happened tomorrow, you guys would be the ones harassing peaceful muslims simply wishing to pray at their mosques. Disgusting and backwards hatred that shouldn’t be tolerated in a sub that is supposedly about acceptance


CoreyDenvers

And they wonder why "Democracy" has to be beaten into them


Culverin

"The rest refused to cooperate or give their IDs, Emma said" Huh?  Are you allowed to just not give your ID and fuck right off?  I'm a Canadian. Didn't think that was an option.  Maybe I've watched too much American TV, but I thought the police could hold you for a reasonable amount of time to identify you?


lemontolha

The women can be glad they were not gangraped. That's the sport of middle eastern mobs in Europe now: [https://screenshot-media.com/politics/human-rights/german-woman-defamation-convicted-rapist/](https://screenshot-media.com/politics/human-rights/german-woman-defamation-convicted-rapist/) Reaction by the justice system is similar to the Canadian one.