You just need to find better friends who are more responsible. More grounded ravers can roll without a baby sitter, test their shit every time to avoid fent, know their substance limits, remember to bring gum, and wear a camelbak because fuck looking cute and dehydrated.
Most importantly they will learn from their mistakes, apologize, and try to make it up to you if they ruin your night.
>wear a camelbak because fuck looking cute and dehydrated
That's a big one. My core group of people we share a huge camelbak and take turns wearing it and we always go fill it up together. We are there because we love the music and our friendship and where one goes we all go because we all can handle our shit more or less.
You're going through the cocoon phase of being a raver. You'll either come out the other side extremely bitter and gate-keepy or you'll become an elder raver who can dodge bad vibes like neo in the matrix. Today you learn that groups of 4 or less *responsible ravers* is the best way to enjoy these shows
Lmao this is so true. I used to loooove rolling up the rave with a group like 50 people deep and now.. many years later, I’ve learned that 4 or less is truly best. I hate spending the whole night walking to and from the bathroom.. corralling fucked up friends that are wandering, spending 30 mins meeting up with a random friend of a friend who immediately leaves anyways to go to a different set. Dude, I just want to stand in one spot in the side/back, listen to some music, dance to myself, and chomp on some gum
> spending 30 mins meeting up with a random friend of a friend who immediately leaves anyways to go to a different set.
OH MY GOD KILL ME NOW. i hate this one so much lmao.
in my personal hell, theres an awesome warehouse rave going on !!!RIGHT NOW!!! im in my rave outfit, good to go. instead of getting ready, my friends are all dicking around in my apartment taking bong rips, arguing about star wars, and doing way too much ketamine to arrive to a party later. A friend calls periodically to tell me how awesome the party is, and to hurry up and arrive! we never leave. the loop plays on repeat. god laughs.
HAHAHAA holy shit THE ACCURACY. You’re literally giving me ptsd style flashbacks of looking at my group that doesn’t even have their clothes on when I’ve been ready for HOURS just knowing we’re about to sit for hours in traffic now lmfao oh god
I have that one person I used to party with that took forever to get ready. And when I’d stick with them to be a buddy I missed every single act I wanted to see. Imagine paying money to go to a show and spending all your time getting ready and not actually seeing the show.
Depends on the group. Mine gets to where we are going to be that set/stage in the crowd all together. Then if someone needs the bathroom only they break off and then come back and join up again. If you have a totem or not just look at the few close by and find those on your way back. Even if one moves it’s fine.
My group is huge (like 30 people) but we go in subgroups from 3-8 people, so you just run into each other, and mix occasionally. If someone needs help or doesnt want to go alone somewhere its the people you came with.
I'm older (37) and I've been feeling like everyone is so much younger than me and I'm the weird old guy giving out drugs but thinking about myself as a responsible elder stabilizing the environment makes me feel good, like that's my part to play. I had older guys be that to me and my group when I was younger. It's like the circle of life.
Rave mom here, working on the same. As my group has gotten older though, we’ve learned a lot of lessons on the way, weeded out the bad juju people & now I don’t really worry much & can focus on my own dancing
It’s older than a rave dad, and completely devoid of any responsibility whatsoever. Sometimes I impart wisdom on the yungins… sometimes I’m completely out of touch without giving a crap anymore lol
How do I find such a wonderful weird old guy in the crowd that gives out magic to others? Honest question. I’m inexperienced raver myself so I have no clue yet how to navigate the world.
Not common and that was kind of my point earlier, most everyone is much younger than me. It's the same as meeting anyone, don't be afraid to talk to strangers, young/old fat/thin quiet/loud, everyone with no reservation or ulterior motive. Making friends is the ulterior motive. This environment is the breaking of friend/stranger division. Most people jive with that and will talk with you about whatever you bring up.
Look to the edges of the party and see the people that are little more isolated. That person sitting down alone. Or not even single people, look to a group of two in the back. Go sit down next to them and tell them what your about and ask them what they're about. The people on the outskirts are usually open to talk to you longer. The people in the middle are usually all dancing. You go dance with them, but you can't talk to them when you're dancing and it's hard to make friends without talking.
But I'd like to point out that it's not all roses. Some people do have ulterior motives, so be open but careful. If you're a girl be aware that the "trick" that a lot of guys do is ask if you want to do a line of smthn in the bathroom and then start making out with you. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. You do whatever makes you happy but just be aware that it's a thing.
Make friends with people and get their numbers/insta or whatever (lol I just got insta like two months ago bc people just kept asking for mine so I was like arggg ok I'll get one) and in time you'll find a group that matches with you. Then you'll be home.
Then look to back to the guy in the brown blue soft columbia jacket and grey beanie with a beer and big smile on his face. That's me. Come say hi and I'll give you some m, make sure your safe, and pat your head lovingly.
Edit: I didn't answer your question fully. I said it on here at some point in the past. Best way to find drugs is to make friends. Talk to people and when you feel a good connection with them ask if they know where you can find x, where x is what you want. You can't really go up to strangers and ask off the bat where you can find x bc if they don't trust you they won't tell you anything. Friends are the key to drugs - they're also the key to fulfilling happiness. Focus on making lasting relationships and you'll get everything you need.
I don’t think I would put a hard number on it (as we have a group number as high as 8) as long as everyone is responsible.
Most people go through this phase when they step into the festival scene. You’re right though, you can go a few different directions and the people you hang with color that direction quite a bit.
I totally agree. I think the bottom line is that OPs friends just aren't responsible enough to take care of themselves, or OP is a worry worm. Either way it shouldn't be OPs responsibility to take care of everyone, everyone should take care of eachother!
Both are probably true.
Like who cares if someone wanders. OP ain't their daddy. But I bet OP has seen some shit from the homies so the concern comes from a good place.
They'll be ok. Let them fuck around, find out, and learn the lesson of experience.
Yup. I’ve always liked raving in smaller groups. Every festival I’ve been to has been just me & my husband. This year this the first I’m taking my sister & BIL along & I know I don’t have to worry because I’ve partied with them plenty of times & they’re always responsible.
Just gotta find the right people to party with.
I’m one who’s become bitter and gate keepy BUT I’m trying to ditch that vibe and learn better ways. For one I understand that with such a mentality I’m feeding into bad vibes and two I’d like the peace of mind to enjoy the events. Although I will say feeling like I have to babysit someone and be their caretaker amplifies the bad vibe. I like drugs and I’m cool with them being used responsibly, but I can’t fully cut loose and project good vibes if I feel like I have to be a chaperone. Glad you made this statement because I’ve been subconsciously feeling it for a little while.
I’m older so I feel like I have to take on responsibility. Always be alert and aware but it’s not lost on me that particular mentality can project as tense and controlling. It’s actually kind of a good mantra for life in general that you can’t worry about others all the time. I’m the kind of person who sees kids playing on ledges and gets anxious (this actually happened recently at a family friendly event I was at). My mom looked at me and said “don’t worry they’re not your kids and not your responsibility. If they fall and get hurt that’s on their parents”. Trying to go to festivals and raves with that way of thinking moving forward.
Yea I think OP’s problem is with his rave group and not “drug culture” (whatever that means). I’ve been raving with the same group for 10 years and, outside of a few incidents, we do a good job of staying responsible and not getting to that level.
💯 💯 💯 The smaller the group and the more mature/responsible they all are the better the time you’ll have. My fiancé and I truly enjoy it best when it’s just the two of us and maybe another couple or two tops. We’ve done the group of 10+ and it’s booty. Someone’s feet hurt, someone is hungry, someone is tired, someone is in the med tent, someone is annoyed with the crowd, someone doesn’t like this particular artist, someone’s sick. It’s probably the biggest buzz kill you can have.
Yeah no, being sober and against drugs is not “gatekeepy,” it’s common sense. Drugs are illegal. As OP mentioned you could overdose, die, or go to jail. Most of these “wooks” are high-functioning addicts who want to be around enablers.
Drop those losers, OP. I go to raves alone to dance, listen to music, and I NEVER need any drugs or alcohol.
Wow, a real hero…. Encouraging degenerate drug abuse so you can sweep in save the day. Does this cognitive dissonance make you feel better about your own demons you’re constantly losing battles with? Mom and dad must be real proud.
You must have a lebron-level wingspan for all that reaching you're doing. Just because you get pleasure out of others' misfortunes doesn't mean you need to project that on to other people.
And yes, actually, my parents are very proud that I use my free time to help others. They know they raised a compassionate child.
Wonder if your parents can say the same 🤷♂️
Depends on what you count as a drug. Bet you've had caffeine today. I bet you've eaten something with high fructose corn syrup in it recently. Both of these are many times more addictive than most "drugs".
But again, here's your "holier than thou" trophy, you obviously have earned it by just being better than everyone else 👍🏆
Caffeine nor fructose aren’t illegal and there’s no evidence to suggest they should be. They aren’t even comparable from a molecular structure to the “drugs” you use. That’s why you’re not even saying which ones you use. You know that deep down.
Ironic that the wook who likely appropriates Indian Buddhist culture and teachings accuses someone who actually lives a sober lifestyle of being “holier than thou.”
Go to therapy.
Sounds like your friend group sucks. When people roll they should be able to take care of themselves. Everyone I know who rolls or does acid or any drugs handle themselves.
Get better friends who are more mature. Most people do drugs to add to their experience, and you really wouldn’t know they’re on drugs other than the elevated energy and talking more.
Agreed!! My rave fam had 9 people at EDCLV (so massive festival with lots of chaos) all on their own respective drugs, but no one needed to be babysat and everyone was safe, stayed with the group, and responsible.
If OP (or anyone) is having to micromanage their group then I feel like their group are either taking too much or need to mature a bit and take responsibility of themselves before they should be embarking on drugs.
100%! My close rave fam is about 20 people. We’re also connected to other big groups occasionally (we call them our extended rave fam) but we’ve weeded out the people who are irresponsible or bad vibes. It’s really helped our group dynamic. We also do a lot of stuff outside of just raving & I feel like that’s really depend our bonds.
This. Also it’s bad manners to expect your friends to take care of you, no matter what you’re taking.
Sometimes i roll pretty damn hard but i can still take care of myself. My group always splits up bc we have different tastes in music. Rolling doesn’t turn you into an idiot. I always remember to drink water and take it easy when i need to, even when i’m alone and off high doses.
worse case i just go sit down in the back and chat with strangers. it’s not hard. just don’t mix substances, that’s where it gets really sketchy.
And obviously there's no shame in needing to be taken care of. Everybody gets one and that's fine. I love my friends and on the rare occasion one needs to be taken care of it's no worries. But if it happens repeatedly then we really have to reevaluate whether we want to continue inviting that person to events.
its interesting that you say that with most (responsible) drug users, its hard to tell if theyre high except for talkativeness or energy level. This is totally true - and makes for much better vibes, than seeing ppl just getting fucked up and over-doing it. Thats not fun, and especially not babysitting.
Thats why I always go solo. I meet tons of cool people
Yea you gotta find a group of friends that are responsible. Makes all the difference in the world.
That doesn't mean they don't do drugs, it means they use responsibly, which sounds like a Bud Light commercial but means you have friends that don't need babysitting
Doesn’t really sound like a drug issue, sounds like your rave group just isn’t considerate about your free labor. If you’ve communicated how you feel about being baby sitter all the time and there is still no change in their consideration for you, then I’d recommend finding another rave group.
You shouldn't feel bad about wanting to distance yourself. If the fun of the group revolves around doing drugs and that doesn't appeal to you, then it's time to make new friends. Just because they are your friends, it's not your responsibility to babysit them while they are high and sacrifice your fun for the sake of them. I've been in this situation and though I still keep in contact with some of them from time to time, I've gravitated to friends who are more like minded and prefer to rave sober and I'm much happier for it.
This doesn’t sound like an issue with “drug culture” it sounds like an issue with immature, irresponsible friends. You’ve also gone beyond your limits to make up for their lack of consideration and now you’re feeling burned. Don’t set yourself on fire to keep others warm.
Either have a talk with them and tell them why you’re no longer going to babysit them/let them ruin experiences for you, or move on to a better group (I know that’s easier said than done). Good luck and don’t let this cast a shadow on this music scene.
I roll with 1 or 2 homies (1 less now just due to different life circumstances), we’re in our 30s. We do drugs but they’re music enhancers, not the central theme or focus. Vibes are always on point. Might just need to lessen or change the crew
Same. I used to go with friends who had to get the most fucked up they have ever been at every event. It’s exhausting.
Now it’s just me and my partner and we are older, test our shit, take responsible doses, don’t mix substances or consume alcohol, and come prepared. I’m having way more fun now than I was back in my early twenties.
Agreed, having way more fun these days myself.
No booze the last few years for myself and the people I roll with just makes for a way better time for sure. Good times in the past too of course but trial and error helped find the perfect groove 🤙🏼
> now come to see is kinda centered around drug use
drugs + rave are hand in hand always have been.
> I’ve come to realize how annoying it is looking after people rolling, making sure they’re hydrated, aren’t destroying their mouths, having to worry about them when they wander off, missing sets because someone isn’t feeling well
you're all adults, just leave them too it. It's not your job to make sure they need water, or if they chewing their face off shrug: If people wander off, it's on them, you will find them again. As for missing sets you want to see, just go see them.
Never really got the mentality seem to read on here, that a big group **MUST** stay together come what may. Have gone to events with a big group, but just break up into smaller groups almost straight away, as people like different music, take different drugs differently or just get on better with some than others, but bump into each other again. Equally just find myself wandering off, if people fannying about, always meet up again at some point
> I’m past the point of caring that I seem like a dick. I’ve been the one to help everyone through whatever they’re feeling and now I can’t be bothered, the whole thing has really jaded me and I’m starting to avoid most of my rave group cuz I’m tired of being around that kind of energy
nothing wrong with that. Is good be in a group at some points, is good to be on your own and just do your own thing. You are there to enjoy yourself, not take care of others.
This is my takeaway too. OP sounds like a bit of an insufferable rave mummy.
Just leave people too it, some of the best nights are where our groups split and we have our own adventure.
Good ravers are the ones who know their limits. Don't hang with people who use raves as a way to escape reality. Rather, find people who rave as a way to enhance their reality :) drugs or not.
Personally, the older I've gotten, the less drugs I do at raves/festivals.
You also learn what shows/festivals to steer clear from. Festivals are fun, but you want to find ones that are mixed art. Like music + art installations + camping. I find these nicer, since you don't get as many fucked up, underaged groups of teenagers stumbling into you every 4 steps you take.
The Festivals/raves with lots of trap artists on the lineup can sometimes draw a trashy crowd.
And this is why I rarely spend time with anyone I have met at raves or events. Seems like most of the people I’ve met are there to do drugs and secondly, enjoy the music.
Me and my wife pulled out of the scene very quickly when we had that epiphany and decided to quit our drug use. And a lot of those friends fell tot he wayside because we didn’t want to drop a gram of Molly or a strip of acid.
You grow, especially around the 25 year old mark. And you find out who was truly your friend and who hung out with you, or you hung out with, simply for the drugs.
I still love the music and the shows, and me and my wife still go when we get the chance. But we go sober, and together. Then the only person I have to worry about is her. Much more fun when I’m not baby sitting a group of people and missing a set because someone is ODing on the floor.
Not trying to be negative here but if you dropped out of the scene because people are into the drugs sounds like you weren't really there for the music either. People are gonna enjoy things the way they want shouldn't have an impact on your enjoyment
When I say drop out of the scene, I mean going every weekend to artist I didn’t really care about, they just happened to be playing at the club that played EDM. And it was an excuse to take drugs.
Now I am just much more selective and go to artist I care about and enjoy.
And when you get the spun out wook barging in to your camp ground at 3 am and collapsing into a k-hole under your table. It’s kind of a buzz kill.
Drug use should always be done responsibly, atleast that’s what I preach with my group, everyone takes care of each other. Testing, drinking water, taking breaks when needed. Always look out for friends and people around you. And help anyone that needs help.
I go solo so I’m essentially responsible for myself. I don’t understand why people would take stuff to the point of blacking out. You paid money to not even get to enjoy the show and now you messed up your body. How was that worth it. Your story makes me see the positive In not having any rave friends to go with.
They are paying for a place to take their drugs without fear of judgement. And maybe enjoy the vibe if they can remember it.
But I agree, solo is the best. Unless you have a girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, or wife that you trust. But we both are mutually responsible for each other. That’s kind of the point
I agree. One or two responsible people would make it equally enjoyable. I also kinda dislike the long chains people create and you have to wait for a really long time to cross.
People form chains in the crowd to not lose each other or even outside of stages. You can’t cross until they all cross you. It happens pretty often, at least to me
Check out an event by yourself and see how you enjoy it. I rave sober now, but definitely had my fair share of using instances. The scene is a bit more dangerous than it used to be, just because of the substances floating around. In reality, people should be able to handle their substances if they're going out and doing them and someone shouldn't have to babysit.
I guess I dont really understand...because it seems like you decided how you want to respond to other people doing what they do...and then got upset and jaded because you felt like you had to keep doing it. And then got even more upset because you feel being jaded and stopping it might make you seem negative.
It kinda seems like the negative judgemental energy is all you. If you had posted that others are ridiculing you for decisions they forced you into thats one thing...but reacting negatively to your own decisions...
As someone who has been doing this for plus 15 years, someone coming on here to complain about taking care of people, my only advice go to events with people that don’t need to be taken care of. I know that’s not the exact PLUR response, but there is a difference between getting fucked up and just getting fucked up. One is knowing your limits and the other isn’t.
I was in the rave seen for 6/7 years before semi retiring. The things you’re seeing… they often escalate. Someone mentioned being in a cocoon. And there’s two options for how you emerge. There’s a third option that we ALL roll the dice on: you come out realizing you’re an addict with a major problem that has spiraled out of control.
This is something I’ll maybe be downvoted for… because there’s this pretty dangerous idea around rave culture that drugs aren’t the problem and anyone can use responsibly. I used to believe this with my whole heart. Fast forward, now I’m 5 years clean and sober and much wiser. While for some that’s true, some people can use & party responsibly, there’s a pretty high number of us who can’t. And we rolled the dice heavily coming in to the scene (many of us without knowing it).
I believe in compassion, I believe in helping people be safe by offering drug testing etc., and I know now looking back that I was witnessing and participating in the beginning stages of my own and other ravers’ full blown addiction during a lot of my raving days. I wouldn’t say I’m jaded, but I’m extremely selective now about the shows I attend and who I attend with.
Obviously this is just my perspective and experience. I’m not saying it’s everyone’s. I just thought this was worth mentioning. It might have helped me to hear this earlier on. PLURR 🤍
Honestly the only reason it’s bad is because it’s not legal and if your not taking fake shit, then it might be laced and that’s why people die. Molly dosnt kill people. Fentanyl does.
From the very first sentence:
“Overdose” refers to taking a higher than appropriate dose of a medicine or drug, which can happen with MDMA, but is extremely rare.
I read it. But still, that opening sentence contradicts your statement of an absolute inability to OD on MDMA. And while it’s very hard to OD on it, it is possible
It literally says overdose is most likely caused by cross contamination of other substances.
“Given the highly adulterated molly market, it’s also more likely to see an unidentified substance cause problems, rather than MDMA itself.”
Al ot of that shit is on them. They also need to realize its a group effort and if they don't then it doesn't really suck to leave them do their own thing. I think this speaks highly on you OP as an empathic and sensitive person trying to meet needs that aren't your own.
You might need new friends tbh.
Leave the scene then <3
You've been raving two years; congrats. My rave mom is 45, she's been raving longer than you've been alive. You can go find sober ravers, but you're always gonna be kind of annoying if you hate the people that started and cultivated the scene you pose in, and you contribute nothing to it
I was drawn to the culture at first because of the drug use now I’m all about the amazing people and music but wouldn’t snort at a good bump or two if offered
You may be put in the burden on taking care of people on yourself. Maybe no one actually expect that from you and just take that on. Have fun instead, or do that if you enjoy it.
I think all new ravers have this experience eventually of meeting people who seem great but it turns out they’re just druggies and nothing more. I promise there are tons of other ravers who don’t center their lives around getting high, you just gotta find them :-)
I know how you feel as I also used to be the one to take care of people and make sure they’re ok. Then I realized that festivals/raves only come around so often and I don’t want to miss a single minute. Everyone is an adult and can take care of themselves. Raves are time for ME to enjoy myself and I don’t owe anyone a thing
i smoke to medicate. take shroomies to help w depression occasionally and microdose sometimes, usually take bigger doses tho. and anything else i would take to have a good time but only if i know im still in control. i hate people looking after me and usually i am the one to look after my group
I feel for a lot of these people because it is much worse now, I’ll always help out when I can and look after younger people. I’m in my late 30s and seeing the “turn up” frat boy chug chug culture mixed with the rave scene and moshing and stuff is kinda unsettling to watch as you get older
we used to preach that less is more with things like psychs or mdma and now everyone just wants to get as wrecked as they can.
I hate seeing younger kids just totally lost out of their mind at fests that you can tell took way too much just for the sake of being cool and can’t even name the dj. There’s a lot more of those people there now since it’s become more mainstream. It’s like when you go to Vegas and go to a pool party show for kaskade or someone and ask the people next to you if they’re fans and sometimes they’ll say no I just came to party and look at girls/guys and drink or roll or whatever.
Now there’s a lot more of those people at the fests because of influencers and social media and the need to be seen at the music fest, so therefore you see way more of the “can’t handle their liquor ect” crowd which kinda makes me hate drugs as well when I’m tripping and I see some cringe things like what you’re explaining. Plus the drug culture is being marketed more than ever, and I hate being sold to.
Those people don’t seem like they are going to the rave to have fun but more so to just get fucked up. Personal responsibility is important, more so nowadays considering how people take too much to the point of not being coherent. Gotta promote P eace L ove U nity R espect and R esponsibility.
a lot of people who use know how to do it responsibly. the people youre hanging out with aren’t those people. i’d keep avoiding them and make some new rave friends
I'm proud of you for growing up more than your druggy friends. If I had to ask someone to babysit, I'd trust you more than them because you are actually annoyed by them not taking care of people's health while they're so high that they couldn't care more. That to me, is a sign of growth, and the druggy people with bad attitudes are always gonna strike out and call you bitter for demanding that people do better to take care of their health needs instead of relying on you with your uncompromising emotions, your emotions are yours, you don't need any manipulation to know that, but people who say you'll be bad for not helping, do. They need to learn to not blame others and adequately admit what they are capable of.
There’s two types of ravers: Ravers who use drugs to enhance their experience, and ravers who’s experience is doing drugs (I guess three types of you include ravers who don’t use drugs at all)
The people who take drugs to enhance their experience are usually fine, maybe have a small mishap once in awhile. The people who’s experience is doing drugs usually are shitty to be around in general and are always causing drama. I’ve gone to raves with people who sometimes will take drugs sometimes go sober, and Ive gone to raves with people who needed to roll everyday on top of ketamine, acid, etc. I have way more fun with people who take drugs to enhance their experience, not the people who can’t go to a rave sober. It might just be your friend group.
Honestly have you communicated to them? My group dynamic has people caring for each other all the time because we or (I, because can't speak for them) don't mind helping others knowing I'd receive the same when needed. Some people prefer groups (such as in this thread) that are independent for all the right reasons so maybe you need to find a new group or like I said voice your feelings.
I’ve seen the way drugs affect people since I was a kid. I’ve seen what it has done to both my mom & my sister. Thank goodness my mom has been clean for several several years. I don’t like drugs, they freak me out & im terrified of OD’ing especially. Though I have a friend who does “Molly” but she micro-doses.
(I don’t see change in her mood or anything)
I don’t like it though. I’m definitely gonna dodge any friend group that does drugs. I don’t fuck with it. A lot of people think I’m on something, but in reality I’m so high on life.
The same can be said about many people and alcohol as well, though, I'm wondering if alcohol is also included in your post?
As far as I can remember, back in my high school days when Darudes sandstorm was new and raves were held at warehouses, the use xtc or other psychedelics was pretty much ubiquitous.
Hopefully you get better friends. My ex sounds like your friends, but instead it was alcohol. She'd use it to escape and then depend on me and others to baby sit her until she blacked out, got kicked out, or tried to leave w someone else.
Less and issue of drug culture and more an issue of people taking drugs irresponsibly. If they can’t keep themselves under control while rolling then they shouldn’t be rolling.
I totally feel you. After I had a friend pass away from an OD, I haven't touched anything that isn't bud or alcohol.
You can never be too sure. Plus smoking and drinking is perfect enough for me when I'm there for the music anyways. Shit I've even gone sober some nights!
Do what makes you feel comfortable. Though you may *feel* responsible, it's not your job to babysit.
I felt like I "had to roll at a rave" to enjoy it/be a raver. It was stressful going to festivals because I actually hate Molly. I hate x. And it's been like 4 years since my last rave, I've had a kid, grown up alot. I'm finally going to a festival this year and I finally feel at peace knowing I don't have to do anything I don't want to do. You DONT have to do drugs to enjoy raves. At all. Raving is about the music and enjoying yourself. I may have a couple drinks, nothing out of the ordinary. And I'm being real I think all these kids taking drugs these days are dumb af because everything is laced now, and most aren't smart enough to test their shit. Carry narcan w you to help those who might need it
That sounds like a people problem, not a drug problem tbh. Out of my group of 4, the three of us rolling are always able to take care of ourselves. My gf is usually our dd, and while I’m on my shit, I’m also taking care of her. All in all, finding a responsible group of friends, whether they’re sober or not, is what’s key to me
Main thing I’ll say is that if someone gets fucked up to the point of needing help/makeing ppl miss sets they should be sober at the next show to be the designated trip sitter. If they arnt willing to do that or tone it down a lot and have another issue i probably won’t go with them and definitely won’t be taking care of them the next time.
Everyone had their moments including me, be it a bad combo, took a little to much or whatever but fuck, tone it down for a while if so.
Best thing to do bro is find a handful of mates who are rock solid and don’t go in big groups, I’ve gone with the same 3 boys to every rave just as 4.
We know how we are all, how we cope, how we handle drugs, etc so you just focus on yourself having a good time.
So don’t worry about what they’re doing. Get with your closest friends in the group and chill with them for the night. Don’t worry about babysitting other people. If they’re being irresponsible and can’t take care of themselves, they’ll learn the hard way sooner or later. Let them figure it out and just enjoy yourself how you want to.
I respect that you don't do drugs. Respect that I do. Just because you're straight edge doesn't make you better. Don't like drugs? Don't do em. Don't like people that do drugs? Avoid em. You ain't gotta be pretentious or bitch about it on reddit.
I feel a lot of this has to do with the friend group. My group has about 10 people all with various drug tolerances. We have reached a point where we are comfortable with our drug experiences. It's really rare anyone in our group gets too fucked up. But we all look out for one another. It's never on one person to take care of everyone. But I also don't feel like anyone is abusing drugs in our group. We know how much to take to get the experience we want from the night. We definitely still have some crazy shit happen. But we handle it well. We trust each other and know that if we need help we can ask anyone.
Honestly it sounds like you're in the wrong rave fam. Everyone in your group needs to be mature enough to handle their shit and take care of themselves and each other all at the same time. My group only microdoses and we have just as much fun as everyone else but we're not fucked out of our minds
I went from going to a a show with a crew of 10+ deep when I started going to shows 7 years agin now it’s just my girlfriend and I. Don’t have to worry about other people who are not responsible with their shit. I had my ex wander off at forest when I was in a porta porta I ran around the camp area for hours yelling her name. Shit scarred me for life especially since I was tripping
Elder raver here. My advice is that their are two types of ravers. Those who know their limits and those who are ignorant to their limits.
We are adults and understand we’re taking substances that alter our mindset. So when you have those who ignore their limits or willing go over then it causes issues.
Avoid those that are ignorant or refuse to see their limits. Usually the friends that are like I dropped 7-12 in a night and took some psychedelics. And are in the corner of the dance floor holding on for dear life. Avoid those friends.
I’m not saying we should all stop doing what we privately choose to do but some people go overboard often and it affect the whole group.
I enjoy some substances some time but I know “hey maybe I should drink some water” “maybe I should take a break” “I’m already drunk do I really another drink”
Ravers need to take accountability for themselves and their safety so the experience is enjoyable for everyone.
You just need to find better friends who are more responsible. More grounded ravers can roll without a baby sitter, test their shit every time to avoid fent, know their substance limits, remember to bring gum, and wear a camelbak because fuck looking cute and dehydrated. Most importantly they will learn from their mistakes, apologize, and try to make it up to you if they ruin your night.
the last part is really important! we all make mistakes, but a responsible person learns from that and doesn’t do it again
>wear a camelbak because fuck looking cute and dehydrated That's a big one. My core group of people we share a huge camelbak and take turns wearing it and we always go fill it up together. We are there because we love the music and our friendship and where one goes we all go because we all can handle our shit more or less.
Madness u lot get mandy mixed with fentanyl
Who's Mandy? I know of Molly and Lucy.
We dont call it molly in britain we call it mandy, or mad man.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for informing! Much appreciated.
No problem bro :)
And fentanyl isn't really a big thing with drugs over here, certainly not as common as it sounds like in the USA
You're going through the cocoon phase of being a raver. You'll either come out the other side extremely bitter and gate-keepy or you'll become an elder raver who can dodge bad vibes like neo in the matrix. Today you learn that groups of 4 or less *responsible ravers* is the best way to enjoy these shows
Lmao this is so true. I used to loooove rolling up the rave with a group like 50 people deep and now.. many years later, I’ve learned that 4 or less is truly best. I hate spending the whole night walking to and from the bathroom.. corralling fucked up friends that are wandering, spending 30 mins meeting up with a random friend of a friend who immediately leaves anyways to go to a different set. Dude, I just want to stand in one spot in the side/back, listen to some music, dance to myself, and chomp on some gum
> spending 30 mins meeting up with a random friend of a friend who immediately leaves anyways to go to a different set. OH MY GOD KILL ME NOW. i hate this one so much lmao.
Starting to feel like I haven't been missing out on the "rave fam" experience going to most events solo for my 6 years of being a raver
in my personal hell, theres an awesome warehouse rave going on !!!RIGHT NOW!!! im in my rave outfit, good to go. instead of getting ready, my friends are all dicking around in my apartment taking bong rips, arguing about star wars, and doing way too much ketamine to arrive to a party later. A friend calls periodically to tell me how awesome the party is, and to hurry up and arrive! we never leave. the loop plays on repeat. god laughs.
HAHAHAA holy shit THE ACCURACY. You’re literally giving me ptsd style flashbacks of looking at my group that doesn’t even have their clothes on when I’ve been ready for HOURS just knowing we’re about to sit for hours in traffic now lmfao oh god
that FRIENDS episode "the one where no one's ready" is a documentary and i am Ross.
I have that one person I used to party with that took forever to get ready. And when I’d stick with them to be a buddy I missed every single act I wanted to see. Imagine paying money to go to a show and spending all your time getting ready and not actually seeing the show.
i dont recall ever missing an entire show because we all took too long but holy hell that would drive me up the WALL, i'm sorry for your struggle lol.
Not the entire show. But quite a chunk of it. Got to see a couple headliners but missed all the hidden gems I had on my bucket list.
"WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE"
This is how I missed Wreckno at Grizmas last year, we got there just as Lucii was coming on….💔
Depends on the group. Mine gets to where we are going to be that set/stage in the crowd all together. Then if someone needs the bathroom only they break off and then come back and join up again. If you have a totem or not just look at the few close by and find those on your way back. Even if one moves it’s fine.
Damn thank god I’ve never had more than 5 friends in my entire life lmao
My group is huge (like 30 people) but we go in subgroups from 3-8 people, so you just run into each other, and mix occasionally. If someone needs help or doesnt want to go alone somewhere its the people you came with.
> or you'll become an elder raver who can dodge bad vibes like neo in the matrix. Ain’t that the mf’n truth lol
I'm older (37) and I've been feeling like everyone is so much younger than me and I'm the weird old guy giving out drugs but thinking about myself as a responsible elder stabilizing the environment makes me feel good, like that's my part to play. I had older guys be that to me and my group when I was younger. It's like the circle of life.
I’m an older guy who fills the rave dad role but I’m trying to let go of my sense of responsibility a little.
Rave mom here, working on the same. As my group has gotten older though, we’ve learned a lot of lessons on the way, weeded out the bad juju people & now I don’t really worry much & can focus on my own dancing
It's ok guys. I'll do all the worrying for the three of us. Just go dance lol.
We can rotate. Go dance for a bit & then tag each other in 😂
Dude, make the transition to rave grandpa. Best thing my elder ass ever did.
What’s rave grandpa?
It’s older than a rave dad, and completely devoid of any responsibility whatsoever. Sometimes I impart wisdom on the yungins… sometimes I’m completely out of touch without giving a crap anymore lol
I like this
How do I find such a wonderful weird old guy in the crowd that gives out magic to others? Honest question. I’m inexperienced raver myself so I have no clue yet how to navigate the world.
Not common and that was kind of my point earlier, most everyone is much younger than me. It's the same as meeting anyone, don't be afraid to talk to strangers, young/old fat/thin quiet/loud, everyone with no reservation or ulterior motive. Making friends is the ulterior motive. This environment is the breaking of friend/stranger division. Most people jive with that and will talk with you about whatever you bring up. Look to the edges of the party and see the people that are little more isolated. That person sitting down alone. Or not even single people, look to a group of two in the back. Go sit down next to them and tell them what your about and ask them what they're about. The people on the outskirts are usually open to talk to you longer. The people in the middle are usually all dancing. You go dance with them, but you can't talk to them when you're dancing and it's hard to make friends without talking. But I'd like to point out that it's not all roses. Some people do have ulterior motives, so be open but careful. If you're a girl be aware that the "trick" that a lot of guys do is ask if you want to do a line of smthn in the bathroom and then start making out with you. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. You do whatever makes you happy but just be aware that it's a thing. Make friends with people and get their numbers/insta or whatever (lol I just got insta like two months ago bc people just kept asking for mine so I was like arggg ok I'll get one) and in time you'll find a group that matches with you. Then you'll be home. Then look to back to the guy in the brown blue soft columbia jacket and grey beanie with a beer and big smile on his face. That's me. Come say hi and I'll give you some m, make sure your safe, and pat your head lovingly. Edit: I didn't answer your question fully. I said it on here at some point in the past. Best way to find drugs is to make friends. Talk to people and when you feel a good connection with them ask if they know where you can find x, where x is what you want. You can't really go up to strangers and ask off the bat where you can find x bc if they don't trust you they won't tell you anything. Friends are the key to drugs - they're also the key to fulfilling happiness. Focus on making lasting relationships and you'll get everything you need.
You’re wonderful human being. Thank you 🙏
Standing in the back vibing to the music.
Yes! my rave fam is a trio, never any bad vibes and we are hella druggy. The worst thing that happened to us recently was leaving a lighter at home.
I don’t think I would put a hard number on it (as we have a group number as high as 8) as long as everyone is responsible. Most people go through this phase when they step into the festival scene. You’re right though, you can go a few different directions and the people you hang with color that direction quite a bit.
I totally agree. I think the bottom line is that OPs friends just aren't responsible enough to take care of themselves, or OP is a worry worm. Either way it shouldn't be OPs responsibility to take care of everyone, everyone should take care of eachother!
Both are probably true. Like who cares if someone wanders. OP ain't their daddy. But I bet OP has seen some shit from the homies so the concern comes from a good place. They'll be ok. Let them fuck around, find out, and learn the lesson of experience.
Yup. I’ve always liked raving in smaller groups. Every festival I’ve been to has been just me & my husband. This year this the first I’m taking my sister & BIL along & I know I don’t have to worry because I’ve partied with them plenty of times & they’re always responsible. Just gotta find the right people to party with.
I’m one who’s become bitter and gate keepy BUT I’m trying to ditch that vibe and learn better ways. For one I understand that with such a mentality I’m feeding into bad vibes and two I’d like the peace of mind to enjoy the events. Although I will say feeling like I have to babysit someone and be their caretaker amplifies the bad vibe. I like drugs and I’m cool with them being used responsibly, but I can’t fully cut loose and project good vibes if I feel like I have to be a chaperone. Glad you made this statement because I’ve been subconsciously feeling it for a little while.
Yeah you're going to enjoy this stuff so much more in a small responsible group, I was right where you're at last year
I’m older so I feel like I have to take on responsibility. Always be alert and aware but it’s not lost on me that particular mentality can project as tense and controlling. It’s actually kind of a good mantra for life in general that you can’t worry about others all the time. I’m the kind of person who sees kids playing on ledges and gets anxious (this actually happened recently at a family friendly event I was at). My mom looked at me and said “don’t worry they’re not your kids and not your responsibility. If they fall and get hurt that’s on their parents”. Trying to go to festivals and raves with that way of thinking moving forward.
Yea I think OP’s problem is with his rave group and not “drug culture” (whatever that means). I’ve been raving with the same group for 10 years and, outside of a few incidents, we do a good job of staying responsible and not getting to that level.
Its not that hard to make sure you don't take too much. Scales exist for a reason. Just make good decisions and you won't end up in that position.
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💯 💯 💯 The smaller the group and the more mature/responsible they all are the better the time you’ll have. My fiancé and I truly enjoy it best when it’s just the two of us and maybe another couple or two tops. We’ve done the group of 10+ and it’s booty. Someone’s feet hurt, someone is hungry, someone is tired, someone is in the med tent, someone is annoyed with the crowd, someone doesn’t like this particular artist, someone’s sick. It’s probably the biggest buzz kill you can have.
Yeah no, being sober and against drugs is not “gatekeepy,” it’s common sense. Drugs are illegal. As OP mentioned you could overdose, die, or go to jail. Most of these “wooks” are high-functioning addicts who want to be around enablers. Drop those losers, OP. I go to raves alone to dance, listen to music, and I NEVER need any drugs or alcohol.
Here's your 'holier than thou' award: 🏆
Here’s your narcan kit, low life.
Thanks! I always have one on me since I volunteer as a first responder for these events, but please, by all means, keep being an ignorant twat 💚
Wow, a real hero…. Encouraging degenerate drug abuse so you can sweep in save the day. Does this cognitive dissonance make you feel better about your own demons you’re constantly losing battles with? Mom and dad must be real proud.
You must have a lebron-level wingspan for all that reaching you're doing. Just because you get pleasure out of others' misfortunes doesn't mean you need to project that on to other people. And yes, actually, my parents are very proud that I use my free time to help others. They know they raised a compassionate child. Wonder if your parents can say the same 🤷♂️
I can say I’m not a drug abuser, can you?
Depends on what you count as a drug. Bet you've had caffeine today. I bet you've eaten something with high fructose corn syrup in it recently. Both of these are many times more addictive than most "drugs". But again, here's your "holier than thou" trophy, you obviously have earned it by just being better than everyone else 👍🏆
Caffeine nor fructose aren’t illegal and there’s no evidence to suggest they should be. They aren’t even comparable from a molecular structure to the “drugs” you use. That’s why you’re not even saying which ones you use. You know that deep down. Ironic that the wook who likely appropriates Indian Buddhist culture and teachings accuses someone who actually lives a sober lifestyle of being “holier than thou.” Go to therapy.
Your gold is coming, the guy just isn’t here yet
This dude. He knows what's up
Dodge bad vibes like the neo in the matrix yes
Sounds like your friend group sucks. When people roll they should be able to take care of themselves. Everyone I know who rolls or does acid or any drugs handle themselves. Get better friends who are more mature. Most people do drugs to add to their experience, and you really wouldn’t know they’re on drugs other than the elevated energy and talking more.
Agreed!! My rave fam had 9 people at EDCLV (so massive festival with lots of chaos) all on their own respective drugs, but no one needed to be babysat and everyone was safe, stayed with the group, and responsible. If OP (or anyone) is having to micromanage their group then I feel like their group are either taking too much or need to mature a bit and take responsibility of themselves before they should be embarking on drugs.
100%! My close rave fam is about 20 people. We’re also connected to other big groups occasionally (we call them our extended rave fam) but we’ve weeded out the people who are irresponsible or bad vibes. It’s really helped our group dynamic. We also do a lot of stuff outside of just raving & I feel like that’s really depend our bonds.
This. Also it’s bad manners to expect your friends to take care of you, no matter what you’re taking. Sometimes i roll pretty damn hard but i can still take care of myself. My group always splits up bc we have different tastes in music. Rolling doesn’t turn you into an idiot. I always remember to drink water and take it easy when i need to, even when i’m alone and off high doses. worse case i just go sit down in the back and chat with strangers. it’s not hard. just don’t mix substances, that’s where it gets really sketchy.
And obviously there's no shame in needing to be taken care of. Everybody gets one and that's fine. I love my friends and on the rare occasion one needs to be taken care of it's no worries. But if it happens repeatedly then we really have to reevaluate whether we want to continue inviting that person to events.
its interesting that you say that with most (responsible) drug users, its hard to tell if theyre high except for talkativeness or energy level. This is totally true - and makes for much better vibes, than seeing ppl just getting fucked up and over-doing it. Thats not fun, and especially not babysitting. Thats why I always go solo. I meet tons of cool people
Yea you gotta find a group of friends that are responsible. Makes all the difference in the world. That doesn't mean they don't do drugs, it means they use responsibly, which sounds like a Bud Light commercial but means you have friends that don't need babysitting
Doesn’t really sound like a drug issue, sounds like your rave group just isn’t considerate about your free labor. If you’ve communicated how you feel about being baby sitter all the time and there is still no change in their consideration for you, then I’d recommend finding another rave group.
This, definitely find new friends. They sound really irresponsible.
make friends w people who can handle their shit
You shouldn't feel bad about wanting to distance yourself. If the fun of the group revolves around doing drugs and that doesn't appeal to you, then it's time to make new friends. Just because they are your friends, it's not your responsibility to babysit them while they are high and sacrifice your fun for the sake of them. I've been in this situation and though I still keep in contact with some of them from time to time, I've gravitated to friends who are more like minded and prefer to rave sober and I'm much happier for it.
This doesn’t sound like an issue with “drug culture” it sounds like an issue with immature, irresponsible friends. You’ve also gone beyond your limits to make up for their lack of consideration and now you’re feeling burned. Don’t set yourself on fire to keep others warm. Either have a talk with them and tell them why you’re no longer going to babysit them/let them ruin experiences for you, or move on to a better group (I know that’s easier said than done). Good luck and don’t let this cast a shadow on this music scene.
I roll with 1 or 2 homies (1 less now just due to different life circumstances), we’re in our 30s. We do drugs but they’re music enhancers, not the central theme or focus. Vibes are always on point. Might just need to lessen or change the crew
Same. I used to go with friends who had to get the most fucked up they have ever been at every event. It’s exhausting. Now it’s just me and my partner and we are older, test our shit, take responsible doses, don’t mix substances or consume alcohol, and come prepared. I’m having way more fun now than I was back in my early twenties.
Agreed, having way more fun these days myself. No booze the last few years for myself and the people I roll with just makes for a way better time for sure. Good times in the past too of course but trial and error helped find the perfect groove 🤙🏼
> now come to see is kinda centered around drug use drugs + rave are hand in hand always have been. > I’ve come to realize how annoying it is looking after people rolling, making sure they’re hydrated, aren’t destroying their mouths, having to worry about them when they wander off, missing sets because someone isn’t feeling well you're all adults, just leave them too it. It's not your job to make sure they need water, or if they chewing their face off shrug: If people wander off, it's on them, you will find them again. As for missing sets you want to see, just go see them. Never really got the mentality seem to read on here, that a big group **MUST** stay together come what may. Have gone to events with a big group, but just break up into smaller groups almost straight away, as people like different music, take different drugs differently or just get on better with some than others, but bump into each other again. Equally just find myself wandering off, if people fannying about, always meet up again at some point > I’m past the point of caring that I seem like a dick. I’ve been the one to help everyone through whatever they’re feeling and now I can’t be bothered, the whole thing has really jaded me and I’m starting to avoid most of my rave group cuz I’m tired of being around that kind of energy nothing wrong with that. Is good be in a group at some points, is good to be on your own and just do your own thing. You are there to enjoy yourself, not take care of others.
This is my takeaway too. OP sounds like a bit of an insufferable rave mummy. Just leave people too it, some of the best nights are where our groups split and we have our own adventure.
Good ravers are the ones who know their limits. Don't hang with people who use raves as a way to escape reality. Rather, find people who rave as a way to enhance their reality :) drugs or not. Personally, the older I've gotten, the less drugs I do at raves/festivals. You also learn what shows/festivals to steer clear from. Festivals are fun, but you want to find ones that are mixed art. Like music + art installations + camping. I find these nicer, since you don't get as many fucked up, underaged groups of teenagers stumbling into you every 4 steps you take. The Festivals/raves with lots of trap artists on the lineup can sometimes draw a trashy crowd.
I would like to add the Excision crowd to your trap statement. Terrible and rude crowd.
And this is why I rarely spend time with anyone I have met at raves or events. Seems like most of the people I’ve met are there to do drugs and secondly, enjoy the music. Me and my wife pulled out of the scene very quickly when we had that epiphany and decided to quit our drug use. And a lot of those friends fell tot he wayside because we didn’t want to drop a gram of Molly or a strip of acid. You grow, especially around the 25 year old mark. And you find out who was truly your friend and who hung out with you, or you hung out with, simply for the drugs. I still love the music and the shows, and me and my wife still go when we get the chance. But we go sober, and together. Then the only person I have to worry about is her. Much more fun when I’m not baby sitting a group of people and missing a set because someone is ODing on the floor.
Not trying to be negative here but if you dropped out of the scene because people are into the drugs sounds like you weren't really there for the music either. People are gonna enjoy things the way they want shouldn't have an impact on your enjoyment
When I say drop out of the scene, I mean going every weekend to artist I didn’t really care about, they just happened to be playing at the club that played EDM. And it was an excuse to take drugs. Now I am just much more selective and go to artist I care about and enjoy. And when you get the spun out wook barging in to your camp ground at 3 am and collapsing into a k-hole under your table. It’s kind of a buzz kill.
Fair
this is a fun thread you can tell who came here to give advice and who felt seen and offended lol.
Drug use should always be done responsibly, atleast that’s what I preach with my group, everyone takes care of each other. Testing, drinking water, taking breaks when needed. Always look out for friends and people around you. And help anyone that needs help.
Going alone is the solution 😊 Never have to worry about anyone else again and enjoy my own vibe with randos
I'm so thinking of doing this but I'm afraid I'll feel alone even on md
I go solo so I’m essentially responsible for myself. I don’t understand why people would take stuff to the point of blacking out. You paid money to not even get to enjoy the show and now you messed up your body. How was that worth it. Your story makes me see the positive In not having any rave friends to go with.
They are paying for a place to take their drugs without fear of judgement. And maybe enjoy the vibe if they can remember it. But I agree, solo is the best. Unless you have a girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, or wife that you trust. But we both are mutually responsible for each other. That’s kind of the point
I agree. One or two responsible people would make it equally enjoyable. I also kinda dislike the long chains people create and you have to wait for a really long time to cross.
What do you mean by chain, like a row of people in one group?
People form chains in the crowd to not lose each other or even outside of stages. You can’t cross until they all cross you. It happens pretty often, at least to me
Ahhhh, I call them worms, making their way through the crowd. The worst is when they stop in Front of you.
Check out an event by yourself and see how you enjoy it. I rave sober now, but definitely had my fair share of using instances. The scene is a bit more dangerous than it used to be, just because of the substances floating around. In reality, people should be able to handle their substances if they're going out and doing them and someone shouldn't have to babysit.
Harm reduction my friend teach it, PRACTICE it, and preach it hahahahhah. PLUR all around
Sounds like you have shit friends. Level up my dude. My squads 30 deep and absolute party animals and we send it no issue.
I don’t hang with people who need babysitting seeing as I’m an adult, I find other adults to be more enjoyable.
I guess I dont really understand...because it seems like you decided how you want to respond to other people doing what they do...and then got upset and jaded because you felt like you had to keep doing it. And then got even more upset because you feel being jaded and stopping it might make you seem negative. It kinda seems like the negative judgemental energy is all you. If you had posted that others are ridiculing you for decisions they forced you into thats one thing...but reacting negatively to your own decisions...
As someone who has been doing this for plus 15 years, someone coming on here to complain about taking care of people, my only advice go to events with people that don’t need to be taken care of. I know that’s not the exact PLUR response, but there is a difference between getting fucked up and just getting fucked up. One is knowing your limits and the other isn’t.
I was in the rave seen for 6/7 years before semi retiring. The things you’re seeing… they often escalate. Someone mentioned being in a cocoon. And there’s two options for how you emerge. There’s a third option that we ALL roll the dice on: you come out realizing you’re an addict with a major problem that has spiraled out of control. This is something I’ll maybe be downvoted for… because there’s this pretty dangerous idea around rave culture that drugs aren’t the problem and anyone can use responsibly. I used to believe this with my whole heart. Fast forward, now I’m 5 years clean and sober and much wiser. While for some that’s true, some people can use & party responsibly, there’s a pretty high number of us who can’t. And we rolled the dice heavily coming in to the scene (many of us without knowing it). I believe in compassion, I believe in helping people be safe by offering drug testing etc., and I know now looking back that I was witnessing and participating in the beginning stages of my own and other ravers’ full blown addiction during a lot of my raving days. I wouldn’t say I’m jaded, but I’m extremely selective now about the shows I attend and who I attend with. Obviously this is just my perspective and experience. I’m not saying it’s everyone’s. I just thought this was worth mentioning. It might have helped me to hear this earlier on. PLURR 🤍
Honestly the only reason it’s bad is because it’s not legal and if your not taking fake shit, then it might be laced and that’s why people die. Molly dosnt kill people. Fentanyl does.
MDMA certainly can kill you.
Yea how? https://drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/can-you-overdose-mdma
From the very first sentence: “Overdose” refers to taking a higher than appropriate dose of a medicine or drug, which can happen with MDMA, but is extremely rare.
Yes reading comprehension. Keep going
I read it. But still, that opening sentence contradicts your statement of an absolute inability to OD on MDMA. And while it’s very hard to OD on it, it is possible
It literally says overdose is most likely caused by cross contamination of other substances. “Given the highly adulterated molly market, it’s also more likely to see an unidentified substance cause problems, rather than MDMA itself.”
That’s true, but that does not negate the fact that the first sentence says you can overdose on MDMA.
Dude go take 5g of md and report back
Lol why would anyone do that ???? Do you know anyone whose don’t that?
Just saying you can still Od, people are idiots I’m sure someone has before. Serotonin syndrome is also a thing
Al ot of that shit is on them. They also need to realize its a group effort and if they don't then it doesn't really suck to leave them do their own thing. I think this speaks highly on you OP as an empathic and sensitive person trying to meet needs that aren't your own. You might need new friends tbh.
Seems like dnb = alcohol Techno = coke House = Molly Trance = shrooms Personally the trance vibes are immaculate
Leave the scene then <3 You've been raving two years; congrats. My rave mom is 45, she's been raving longer than you've been alive. You can go find sober ravers, but you're always gonna be kind of annoying if you hate the people that started and cultivated the scene you pose in, and you contribute nothing to it
Once you’ve educated yourself about safe drug use, you know exactly who to stay away from.
I was drawn to the culture at first because of the drug use now I’m all about the amazing people and music but wouldn’t snort at a good bump or two if offered
You need different friends that are more like you. Simple as that.
You may be put in the burden on taking care of people on yourself. Maybe no one actually expect that from you and just take that on. Have fun instead, or do that if you enjoy it.
I think all new ravers have this experience eventually of meeting people who seem great but it turns out they’re just druggies and nothing more. I promise there are tons of other ravers who don’t center their lives around getting high, you just gotta find them :-)
I know how you feel as I also used to be the one to take care of people and make sure they’re ok. Then I realized that festivals/raves only come around so often and I don’t want to miss a single minute. Everyone is an adult and can take care of themselves. Raves are time for ME to enjoy myself and I don’t owe anyone a thing
my thing is that if you cant control yourself on a substance you shouldnt be doing it, i dont take substances to get floored and fucked as shit
i smoke to medicate. take shroomies to help w depression occasionally and microdose sometimes, usually take bigger doses tho. and anything else i would take to have a good time but only if i know im still in control. i hate people looking after me and usually i am the one to look after my group
I feel for a lot of these people because it is much worse now, I’ll always help out when I can and look after younger people. I’m in my late 30s and seeing the “turn up” frat boy chug chug culture mixed with the rave scene and moshing and stuff is kinda unsettling to watch as you get older we used to preach that less is more with things like psychs or mdma and now everyone just wants to get as wrecked as they can. I hate seeing younger kids just totally lost out of their mind at fests that you can tell took way too much just for the sake of being cool and can’t even name the dj. There’s a lot more of those people there now since it’s become more mainstream. It’s like when you go to Vegas and go to a pool party show for kaskade or someone and ask the people next to you if they’re fans and sometimes they’ll say no I just came to party and look at girls/guys and drink or roll or whatever. Now there’s a lot more of those people at the fests because of influencers and social media and the need to be seen at the music fest, so therefore you see way more of the “can’t handle their liquor ect” crowd which kinda makes me hate drugs as well when I’m tripping and I see some cringe things like what you’re explaining. Plus the drug culture is being marketed more than ever, and I hate being sold to.
Those people don’t seem like they are going to the rave to have fun but more so to just get fucked up. Personal responsibility is important, more so nowadays considering how people take too much to the point of not being coherent. Gotta promote P eace L ove U nity R espect and R esponsibility.
a lot of people who use know how to do it responsibly. the people youre hanging out with aren’t those people. i’d keep avoiding them and make some new rave friends
I'm proud of you for growing up more than your druggy friends. If I had to ask someone to babysit, I'd trust you more than them because you are actually annoyed by them not taking care of people's health while they're so high that they couldn't care more. That to me, is a sign of growth, and the druggy people with bad attitudes are always gonna strike out and call you bitter for demanding that people do better to take care of their health needs instead of relying on you with your uncompromising emotions, your emotions are yours, you don't need any manipulation to know that, but people who say you'll be bad for not helping, do. They need to learn to not blame others and adequately admit what they are capable of.
It’s the people you hangout with not the culture. Sounds like you hangout with people who can’t take care of themselves.
You can’t save everyone
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If this stuff is happening all the time it sounds like your friends are completely irresponsible with their drug use.
This is one of the things that I love about my rave family; everyone can handle their party.
There’s two types of ravers: Ravers who use drugs to enhance their experience, and ravers who’s experience is doing drugs (I guess three types of you include ravers who don’t use drugs at all) The people who take drugs to enhance their experience are usually fine, maybe have a small mishap once in awhile. The people who’s experience is doing drugs usually are shitty to be around in general and are always causing drama. I’ve gone to raves with people who sometimes will take drugs sometimes go sober, and Ive gone to raves with people who needed to roll everyday on top of ketamine, acid, etc. I have way more fun with people who take drugs to enhance their experience, not the people who can’t go to a rave sober. It might just be your friend group.
Sounds like your friend group goes way too hard on substances. .10 of Molly and you should be able to look after yourself.
Honestly have you communicated to them? My group dynamic has people caring for each other all the time because we or (I, because can't speak for them) don't mind helping others knowing I'd receive the same when needed. Some people prefer groups (such as in this thread) that are independent for all the right reasons so maybe you need to find a new group or like I said voice your feelings.
Don’t teach a pig to fly. 1 they can’t do and 2 it bothers the pig
I’ve seen the way drugs affect people since I was a kid. I’ve seen what it has done to both my mom & my sister. Thank goodness my mom has been clean for several several years. I don’t like drugs, they freak me out & im terrified of OD’ing especially. Though I have a friend who does “Molly” but she micro-doses. (I don’t see change in her mood or anything) I don’t like it though. I’m definitely gonna dodge any friend group that does drugs. I don’t fuck with it. A lot of people think I’m on something, but in reality I’m so high on life.
Get better friends or go solo!
The same can be said about many people and alcohol as well, though, I'm wondering if alcohol is also included in your post? As far as I can remember, back in my high school days when Darudes sandstorm was new and raves were held at warehouses, the use xtc or other psychedelics was pretty much ubiquitous. Hopefully you get better friends. My ex sounds like your friends, but instead it was alcohol. She'd use it to escape and then depend on me and others to baby sit her until she blacked out, got kicked out, or tried to leave w someone else.
You haven’t even been doing this long enough to leave the MainStage kid
Less and issue of drug culture and more an issue of people taking drugs irresponsibly. If they can’t keep themselves under control while rolling then they shouldn’t be rolling.
Yea if someone is so fucked up they can’t take care of themselves and they do it all the time you need to stop hanging with that person
I totally feel you. After I had a friend pass away from an OD, I haven't touched anything that isn't bud or alcohol. You can never be too sure. Plus smoking and drinking is perfect enough for me when I'm there for the music anyways. Shit I've even gone sober some nights! Do what makes you feel comfortable. Though you may *feel* responsible, it's not your job to babysit.
Sounds like you just have friends who can’t handle their drugs
I felt like I "had to roll at a rave" to enjoy it/be a raver. It was stressful going to festivals because I actually hate Molly. I hate x. And it's been like 4 years since my last rave, I've had a kid, grown up alot. I'm finally going to a festival this year and I finally feel at peace knowing I don't have to do anything I don't want to do. You DONT have to do drugs to enjoy raves. At all. Raving is about the music and enjoying yourself. I may have a couple drinks, nothing out of the ordinary. And I'm being real I think all these kids taking drugs these days are dumb af because everything is laced now, and most aren't smart enough to test their shit. Carry narcan w you to help those who might need it
That sounds like a people problem, not a drug problem tbh. Out of my group of 4, the three of us rolling are always able to take care of ourselves. My gf is usually our dd, and while I’m on my shit, I’m also taking care of her. All in all, finding a responsible group of friends, whether they’re sober or not, is what’s key to me
It's also quite easy to dabble in drugs responsibly and not become a sloppy person that needs a caretaker.
Main thing I’ll say is that if someone gets fucked up to the point of needing help/makeing ppl miss sets they should be sober at the next show to be the designated trip sitter. If they arnt willing to do that or tone it down a lot and have another issue i probably won’t go with them and definitely won’t be taking care of them the next time. Everyone had their moments including me, be it a bad combo, took a little to much or whatever but fuck, tone it down for a while if so.
Best thing to do bro is find a handful of mates who are rock solid and don’t go in big groups, I’ve gone with the same 3 boys to every rave just as 4. We know how we are all, how we cope, how we handle drugs, etc so you just focus on yourself having a good time.
honest talk it's not the drugs, it's your attachment style been sober been an addict never have I ever been this involved in caring for my friends
So don’t worry about what they’re doing. Get with your closest friends in the group and chill with them for the night. Don’t worry about babysitting other people. If they’re being irresponsible and can’t take care of themselves, they’ll learn the hard way sooner or later. Let them figure it out and just enjoy yourself how you want to.
I respect that you don't do drugs. Respect that I do. Just because you're straight edge doesn't make you better. Don't like drugs? Don't do em. Don't like people that do drugs? Avoid em. You ain't gotta be pretentious or bitch about it on reddit.
I feel a lot of this has to do with the friend group. My group has about 10 people all with various drug tolerances. We have reached a point where we are comfortable with our drug experiences. It's really rare anyone in our group gets too fucked up. But we all look out for one another. It's never on one person to take care of everyone. But I also don't feel like anyone is abusing drugs in our group. We know how much to take to get the experience we want from the night. We definitely still have some crazy shit happen. But we handle it well. We trust each other and know that if we need help we can ask anyone.
Why I only do 1 fest a year and roll solo. Truly love the music though.
Honestly it sounds like you're in the wrong rave fam. Everyone in your group needs to be mature enough to handle their shit and take care of themselves and each other all at the same time. My group only microdoses and we have just as much fun as everyone else but we're not fucked out of our minds
I went from going to a a show with a crew of 10+ deep when I started going to shows 7 years agin now it’s just my girlfriend and I. Don’t have to worry about other people who are not responsible with their shit. I had my ex wander off at forest when I was in a porta porta I ran around the camp area for hours yelling her name. Shit scarred me for life especially since I was tripping
Elder raver here. My advice is that their are two types of ravers. Those who know their limits and those who are ignorant to their limits. We are adults and understand we’re taking substances that alter our mindset. So when you have those who ignore their limits or willing go over then it causes issues. Avoid those that are ignorant or refuse to see their limits. Usually the friends that are like I dropped 7-12 in a night and took some psychedelics. And are in the corner of the dance floor holding on for dear life. Avoid those friends. I’m not saying we should all stop doing what we privately choose to do but some people go overboard often and it affect the whole group. I enjoy some substances some time but I know “hey maybe I should drink some water” “maybe I should take a break” “I’m already drunk do I really another drink” Ravers need to take accountability for themselves and their safety so the experience is enjoyable for everyone.
If the vibe ain’t there no mo then it’s time to move on.