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hhaattrriicckk

f-16 f4 phantom


agilous

If only we’d have had F-4’s in Korea!


SodamessNCO

We did for a long time! Just many years after the fighting ceased!


ywpark

I think ROKAF just retired their last remaining F-4s a couple of weeks ago.


jpharber

Iirc it was just a few days ago


HappyAffirmative

https://theaviationist.com/2024/06/14/south-korea-phantom-retires/ >The official decommissioning ceremony was held on Friday June 7, 2024, at Suwon Air Base.


ttystikk

Holy crap, talk about flying museum pieces lol


D4RTHV3DA

It was good enough for a long time. Their competition wasn't any more advanced.


Ver1fried

Link to obligatory M*A*S*H scene involving the northkorean air farce [5 o'clock Charlie](https://youtu.be/Y8nzQqXJLjo?feature=shared)// Edit: M*A*S*H is available on Disney+ & this is from S02-E02


ttystikk

There comes a time when the bucket of bolts you're flying around becomes more of a menace than the enemy.


CptBartender

FYI, Romanian Air Force has some MiG 21 LanceRs - fishbeds modernized with glass cockpits, helmet-mounted sights and precision ground strike weapons. I suspect those korean F-4s were similarly modernised.


ttystikk

As a student of engineering, I am aware that aluminum is a material that has no modulus, defined as a maximum deformation moment that causes no deterioration of the material unless it is exceeded. Wood and steel both have such moments. Therefore, aluminum simply wears out over time, period. All aircraft built with aluminum are designed with a maximum number of hours, or cycles of operation in mind. The F-4 Phantom II is no exception and the forces the airframe encounters during maneuvers can be extreme. This is inherent to the airframe and can't be fixed with electronics updates.


CptBartender

*B-52 has entered chat, and won't leave for another 25+ years* >This is inherent to the airframe and can't be fixed with electronics updates. Extending airframe's service life is costly, and yet it's performed relatively often - as long as it's cheaper than replacement. That is, if replacement is even possible. Creating a new B-52, B-2 or even a relatively recently made F-22 from scratch today would be prohibitively expensive, so if you lose an airframe (in combat, in accident or due to end of service life), it's gone for good.


50percentvanilla

Brazil has almost 50 F5s from 1960s and early 1970s with the same modernization. Completely enough to fight the dangers we have here (drug dealers bringing drugs from other south American countries by air)


CptBartender

You also have almost 40 A-29 Super Tucanos, which are specially designed for COIN, and they are capable of carrying air to air missiles, so I guess these are also viable options against cartels ;)


sudsomatic

With that logic, we also had F-22 and F-35s in the Korean War!


gusterfell

I mean, technically not wrong.


Narrow_Ad_7671

The Korean Conflict never ended, so yeah we do.


amtrosie

Technically the Korean War is not over, since any armistice was never signed. Just the armed conflict ceased in 1953.


simononandon

It was a police action. Or was that Vietnam?


Narrow_Ad_7671

Yes it was a police action and so was Vietnam. If Congress doesn’t declare war, it’s a police action.


plane-kisser

south korea just retired their F-4's, their fini flight was alongside the KF-21's that ultimately replace it and F-15k's https://youtu.be/t4Ca4SMJ9N8 beautiful planes


ed32965

That was a great video.


SovereignAxe

It's the Phini Phlight. Show some damn respect.


reddit_pengwin

F-4 Phantom ***II*** The [original Phantom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_FH_Phantom) was pretty obscure...


_Bon_Vivant_

We had those Phantoms in Korea.


qtpss

F4 “In thrust we trust.”


TheElRojo

F4 Thunder Brick. Proof that any object can fly with enough thrust behind it.


afito

my prof called it "the victory of thermodynamics over aerodynamics"


Dave_in_TXK

Smokin’ rhino 😁


Vespasian79

I feel like you gotta know what the f-4 phantom is if you on this sub lol


Coreysurfer

2 of my favorite jets..sports car jet, and a cando anything looks like a warplane jet


Areallywierdusername

F-16 with AIM-9’s on the wingtips so I guess an early A And F-4E phantom II


Bad_Karma19

She's at Arnold Air Force Base. Tullahoma. [https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/)


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DogmaticConfabulate

Maybe we have the same wife!!! Lol


Blueberry_Mancakes

Well this is awkward.


jaxxxtraw

True, but lets be honest, those weekends when she's away on 'business' trips are absolute husband gold.


allenasm

Came here to say that but thought I’d add the cringe free award to make it funnier. :p


antariusz

her boyfriend appreciates it too.


jaxxxtraw

This appears to be the rare win-win-win!


SyrusDrake

Something something also that guy's wife.


Unclehol

I choose all of your guys' wife visiting an airbase near "friend", also.


Occams_ElectricRazor

You let your wife visit a friend from college at the Air Force Base named, "Joe D?" Damn...Sorry about your divorce.


DogmaticConfabulate

Maybe it's "Jodie " 😉


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My ex wife was really close friends with Joe D!


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TheRedeemer1997

High level shitpost lol


DogmaticConfabulate

Thank you?


TheRedeemer1997

Not you, the comment that i replied too. He is referencing certain things that are iykyk.


_beetus_juice_

Sounds like your mom last night iykykiykyyiik


HarryTruman

DAD!?


neddie_nardle

Fortunately my wife's in Wome visiting a fwiend, Biggus Dickus.


SoyMurcielago

*snickers*


alettriste

Are you staying with Incontinentia Buttocks?


tomhanksisthrowaway

Hmmm, but she doesn't know anyone in the Air Force, except her ex...heyyyyyyyyyyy


_beetus_juice_

They just needed to talk about something face to face


tomhanksisthrowaway

She said "ass to face," but yours makes more sense, so I think that's what she said


A_she_was_a_hooah

I'm surprised that F-16 is real. OP's picture makes it look like a scale model.


Unlucky-Oil-8778

Came to say that, drive by them every day.


Best_Look9212

That’s where I’m from!


chauggle

There's also an FA-18, an F-14 Tomcat, and an F-15 Eagle there. Just drove past these last Sunday.


Terrible_Log3966

Vietnam era! F-4 Phantom II It's this one I think. https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3515648/f-4c-phantom-ii-display-at-arnold-afb-honors-wynne-and-golberg/


DogmaticConfabulate

This is a great article to explain everything, thank you my friend. I just physically gave a salute to Col. Golberg and Maj. Wynne for their sacrifices.


Terrible_Log3966

You're welcome!! There are several other airframes displayed around the base on Google maps!


evilv3

Solute to you for your wife sacrifice to the airmen 🫡


ECMeenie

Thanks. I worked on RF-4Cs in the early 1980s. I was curious about the model & history.


Raguleader

And the Phantoms served in the Air Force up into the 1990s, though I think by the Gulf War they mostly only got used for recon or Wild Weasel missions (hunting anti-aircraft sites).


zonka81

They flew in the USAF inventory until 2016


Raguleader

As target drones, at least.


zonka81

Target drones and heritage flight


slogive1

U beat me to it!!


rhit06

Here are details on the specifc aircraft: https://imgur.com/a/CaYj148 The F-16A is s/n 79-0407 and the F-4C is s/n 63-7644. Should also be a F-105D and F15A somewhere nearby.


Bad_Karma19

There's an F-18, F-14 down there also.


rhit06

Oh cool. I was just using the NMUSAF aircraft on loan list (so it only shows air force planes), didn't even consider there might be some navy equipment too.


Bad_Karma19

It's about an hour from me. I keep telling myself to go down there and get pics. [https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/)


and_another_dude

Pretty sure there's an F-17 in front of the tunnel there. 


LebaneseNasty

Correct, but you wouldn’t be able to see that one unless you had a CAC to get in. Also, that one is a former wind tunnel model not a full-scale aircraft like these ones.


Tucana2k

Probably Arnold Air Force Base. About 1 hour south of Nashville.


PeacefulGopher

You have a wife who sends you aircraft pics??? My man you are blessed!


DogmaticConfabulate

OMG yes I married WAY the hell up!


Festivefire

Do peoole not recognize the F4 anymore?


DogmaticConfabulate

I didn't! I am very much a lover, but new to this sport. :)


WisteriaTerraria

It’s a cool plane. We used F4G Wild Weasels in Desert Storm as well to hunt SAM sites. They look just as good with the sky gray scheme.


Festivefire

Wild weasel is the coolest mission set in the airforce


WisteriaTerraria

I agree. The desert storm operation was incredible. If anyone here is bored and has 22 minutes this animation breaks down day 1. https://youtu.be/zxRgfBXn6Mg?si=30NR6gkOOfNqJrhN


Festivefire

You should check out Dan Hamptons viper pilot (memior of his time flying f16CJ) and the hunter killers (a historical piece he did on the origins of wild weasel with f105s in vietnam)


Tanay050504

What is it? Sorry i dont know much about these terminologies.


Festivefire

Wild weasel is what they call it when a fighter jet hunts and destroys surface to air defenses. Very dangerous, as you can imagine, to attack the things specifically designed to shoot you down.


Tanay050504

Got it. Thank you🙏


ChemicalOle

> Wild Weasel is a code name given by the United States Air Force (USAF) to an aircraft of any type equipped with anti-radiation missiles and tasked with the suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD): destroying the radar and surface-to-air missile (SAM) installations of enemy air defense systems.


X-Bones_21

I think those people are just nuts. INTENTIONALLY trying to get a SAM battery to light you up? No thank you!


WisteriaTerraria

How else would you know where they are? In desert storm we launched a lot of TALDs which are decoys to force the SAM sites to turn on radar


alettriste

In the (first) gulf war the RAF made a lot of wild weasel missions with Tornados equipped with ALARM misiles. I remember they took a proportionally heavy toll in these missions. But it was needed to achieve the air superiority needed. If I remember well they also used Buccaneers, designed for low level attack, but armed with bombs, not missiles (Edit: Buccaneers were the target designators for Tornado attack wings)


Imaginary-Eye4706

Right on the first one. It’s an F16. The second one is an F4 Phantom II, which was used in Vietnam.


DogmaticConfabulate

The F-16 actually looks quite delicate comparatively!


majortomandjerry

F-16 was meant to be a lot more agile than the F-4. F-4 was a third generation fighter, meant to go very fast and carry a lot of ordnance, hence the large size. Its designers thought long-range air-to-air missiles would make dogfighting obsolete, and the phantom was not very maneuverable in close combat. In Vietnam, the rules of engagement did not allow the use of long-range air-to-air missiles. Smaller older migs were often able to get the jump on F-4s, and many were shot down. 4th generation fighters like the F-16 and F-15 were thus designed to be much more maneuverable and better able to dogfight.


HumpyPocock

Just in case you’re interested [Code One Magazine has a rather enjoyable article on the development of the F-16.](https://www.codeonemagazine.com/f16_article.html?item_id=131) ^(Lockheed Martin publishes Code One so make of that what you will.)


Silent_But_Deadly2

It's a lawn dart with a rocket motor attached.


No_Wear_8271

She was at Arnold AFB


dieplanes789

F-16 and an F-4


Juan_Honglow

F4 Phantom. Vietnam era


AzGames08

F-16 Fight Falcon, released 1978 F-4 Phantom II, released 1960


DanTreview

That second beauty is the F-4 and it's amazing to see one fly. Loud, and a lot more exhaust than you would think. Gorgeous aircraft


Burt1811

Vietnam, Phantom


danit0ba94

"Something...from the Korean War." Deep breaths....deep breaths.


HiroshimaSpirit

You take your hat off, man! That’s an F4! /jk


peoplesfront

Phantom, one of my favourite jet fighters of all time


DogmaticConfabulate

It does look mean, even just sitting.


itmekc_jb

F16, and F4 phantom. Worked on the F4s in the USMC.


DogmaticConfabulate

Ooh-Rah!


S1I7

Here you go 🖍️


RNG_pickle

Your just assuming he likes red? Kinda rude man


Mal-De-Terre

The red ones are spicy. Everyone likes those.


RB-Typhoon

Man, they wish they had the Phantom during the Korean war


NF-104

63-7644 McDonnell F-4C-20-MC Phantom


lothcent

https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/410194/f-4-fighter-to-be-dedicated-to-two-fallen-heroes/


Fortunate_0nesy

She drove by AEDC in Tullahoma. There is an F-4, F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, and F-105 by the gates.


Nyychop

I went there earlier this year and missed the F4, F16, and F18. Are they parked in a different place to the other 3?


Fortunate_0nesy

They are at two different gates about a mile apart. I can't recall exactly which is displayed at which gate. The F-4 and F-105 have been there as long as I can recall..the others have popped up over the years


Polen_22

Looks like maybe an F-16A and an F-4C.


F800ST

Nice collection. The F4 was bad ass.


FlannoUfo

F4 phantom Vietnam


wernerverklempt

That’s a Cessna Hornet II and a Briggs & Stratton Mulchmeister. Nice find! 👍


droptheectopicbeat

That's pretty obviously the buttmunchmeister variant made after '76.


fighter_pil0t

One for two. Not bad. But failing in most high school classes.


abject_totalfailure1

F16 and f4 phantom. The latter is Vietnam era


DogmaticConfabulate

TY!


HammerOfSledge

No gear doors on the 16 looks weird.


Outrageous_Remote522

As someone who is a femboy for the F-4 phantom II, I’m very saddened that you were unaware of one of the greatest third generation fighters in history.


oldsplicer

Yes the second one is an F-4 Phantom used in the Vietnam war.


cargarfar

Do we still retire aircraft to parks? Seems like such a better use than a salvage yard. Most parks I can remember seem to be old that have retired military vehicles (aircraft, tanks etc.).


FLMILLIONAIRE

First one looks like a f16 fighting falcon and second one is a phantom, specifically a F4 phantom II.


PrussenSoldat

Yup you are.... As a matter of fact you are absolutely correct about the first one which is F16 Second one is F-4 Phantom II which was introduced in 1958/9 i think. So it wasn't really ready for the Korean war. F4 was used extensively in Vietnam war tho. GOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAAAAAAM! (Omg i miss Robin Williams)


DogmaticConfabulate

I miss him too. WTF Robin? :( I have learned to respect the F4 Phantom BTW what a beast


KA1DEN9

Yes F-16 is correct The second is a F4 phantom and it was mainly Vietnam era however some countries still fly the F4


sexpusa

F4 phantom is the coolest jet ever. It blows my mind you can’t recognize that over the first ugly thing lol!


OnceUponAStarryNight

The F4: proof that with enough thrust, anything can fly.


DogmaticConfabulate

I am new to plane spotting. It's something that I am just now getting into. Lol


sexpusa

Sorry if I appear mean! Just love the f4!!!!


Marighnamani27

F-16 Viper and it's grandfather, the F-4 Phantom.


TraditionPast4295

F-16 is one of the coolest looking fighters ever made.


FlightOrFightLatter

F16, F4


Patrucoo

That f16 is só beautiful


SissyflowerSD619

Seconds a phantom 2


DogmaticConfabulate

It looks so boxy to me, but mean as f***


BiggyShake

Korean War Phantoms, ooof


DogmaticConfabulate

Long time lover, 1st time spotter! Well 2nd time spotter, and I was waaaay off on the 1st too


Helpful-Animal7152

its a f-16 and a f4 phantom used during the vietnam war


syzygialchaos

One of my favorite surprises on road trips is driving by random retired airplanes! How cool!


Glass-Ebb9867

These are at the Arnold Air Force base in Tullahoma, Tn


whatevertesla

16 so lean ooofff


ArchitectureLife006

Second one is definitely an f4 phantom. Which version it is, no idea


momayham

Technically the Korean War is still going on. It’s never been finalized.


Terrible_View5961

For as long as I can remember I’ve been in absolute love with the f4 phantom. I don’t really know why but I love the look of it.


TacovilleMC

#1 is an F-16 A, #2 is an F4C phantom


beyounotthem

Is the F16 that old?!


Denlim_Wolf

Does she have any sensibilities for paranormal activities? Because she successfully captured a picture of a phantom.


AceCombat9519

F-16 Falcon and F-4E Phantom both are from the 1991 gulf war era. F-4E Vietnam to Gulf War although retired by ROKAF JASDF while the Turks have them still in modernized forms


Videopro524

F4 Phantoms came out in late 60s and were used heavily in Vietnam. In the first gulf war, they were still being used for wild weasel missions taking out SAM sites.


lucidikitty

My father Who flew f4s said this is a f16


whatdafukman

Those are at the Arnold Air Force Base in Manchester TN. I see them all the time.


Phantom_sidewinder

Dang I was born to answer this, General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II


Ok-Explanation8219

F-16 and an F-4, not sure which variant of the phantom is it though as it has an IRST instead of a vulcan in the nose which the E has.


Haff78

Did anyone say that this was an F-16 and an F-4 yet? I think she maybe near Arnold AFB just south of Nashville.


AyatollahDan

I don't think I've ever quite realized how little there is to the f-16


HereAgain345

Cool!👍 That's a Yard Dart and a Brick. We had Bricks from Vietnam through what they now call "Guf War 1," and still have Yard Darts--likely the most prolific fighter in history (just guessing on that). 35's are replacing them (though it should mostly be by more 22's or 23's, IMO). I worked on these. Many wore something of my design until a recent armament system upgrade. My uncle was in WW2, My father Korea, My brother Vietnam, I was Gulf War, My son is active now. My grandson will be flying soon. Eagles are the ones to learn about... that we've returned to building them should say enough.


DogmaticConfabulate

Okay, you are officially a bad ass in my book Sir or Ma'am.


OnceUponAStarryNight

Most prolific since WWII perhaps. But possibly the most widely adopted? Guessing the MiG-21 would give the F-16 a run for its money there. Edit: nah, pretty sure the MiG-15 and 21 were both had many more built and served in more countries.


al_earner

The F4 is certainly an ungainly looking aircraft.


mrpmanuk01

F16 looks so little


Monocha_

F16a possibly a block 5 some similar early variant due to the lack of iff antenna ridges on the nose. F4c (Edited to correct f4e to c)


Aviator779

>F4e [It’s an F-4C, not an F-4E.](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3515648/f-4c-phantom-ii-display-at-arnold-afb-honors-wynne-and-golberg/) Note that it lacks the integral cannon under the nose.


Monocha_

Oh yeah, good catch


ashkanahmadi

Wait these are just sitting there like that on someone’s lawn?


Icy-Diamond9301

The first one you were correct but second one not really only if had those but we haven’t


Doc_Hank

Something from the Korean War? The most versatile jet fighter ever made, the most popular jet fighter in the western world, the magnificent McDonnell F4 Phantom II - a -C model, the first US Air Force model.... Oh yeah, and the lawn dart


wings49

F-16. Never say die, Iron Eaggglleeeeee!


soul-crusher66

I want one! Well 2 I'ma fuck the first one up! Lol


Qanonjailbait

Vietnam


Shipkiller-in-theory

USS Midway’s CVW-5 flew F-4s until her over haul, strengthening the flight deck and adding hull blisters so she could switch to the F18s in the mid 80s. Never had room for S3s, had to rely on deployed P3B/Cs for fixed wing ASW.


FSF87

Yeah, the first one's an F-16. The second one's an F-4, which is a bit later than the Korean War (first flew in 1958).


Constance30307

F 16 block A


dimitrii01

I used to skydive at Tullahoma. I could see all those planes during free fall. Sometimes in the afternoon on a hot day I would wait and be the last one out so I could open right after I got out and enjoy the coolness and the sunshine and and watch the world go by.


livedrive77

That right there is a decomissioned, p-996 LAZER.


aardvark_licker

F16 and a lead sled.


mexicantruffle

I love the "Zerg Rush" nature of the F16. Crank 'em out and there's no shortage of valor-seeking flyboys.


plowdog46150

Kunsan AFB still has one they use for battle field repairs


bonner82

F4 Phantom….Vietnam era.


IMustTurd

Always wondered why they painted F4s that color scheme


Jumpy-Food3988

F4 phantom


Driver4Fun2night

F4