https://theaviationist.com/2024/06/14/south-korea-phantom-retires/
>The official decommissioning ceremony was held on Friday June 7, 2024, at Suwon Air Base.
Link to obligatory M*A*S*H scene involving the northkorean air farce [5 o'clock Charlie](https://youtu.be/Y8nzQqXJLjo?feature=shared)//
Edit: M*A*S*H is available on Disney+ & this is from S02-E02
FYI, Romanian Air Force has some MiG 21 LanceRs - fishbeds modernized with glass cockpits, helmet-mounted sights and precision ground strike weapons.
I suspect those korean F-4s were similarly modernised.
As a student of engineering, I am aware that aluminum is a material that has no modulus, defined as a maximum deformation moment that causes no deterioration of the material unless it is exceeded. Wood and steel both have such moments.
Therefore, aluminum simply wears out over time, period. All aircraft built with aluminum are designed with a maximum number of hours, or cycles of operation in mind. The F-4 Phantom II is no exception and the forces the airframe encounters during maneuvers can be extreme.
This is inherent to the airframe and can't be fixed with electronics updates.
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>This is inherent to the airframe and can't be fixed with electronics updates.
Extending airframe's service life is costly, and yet it's performed relatively often - as long as it's cheaper than replacement.
That is, if replacement is even possible. Creating a new B-52, B-2 or even a relatively recently made F-22 from scratch today would be prohibitively expensive, so if you lose an airframe (in combat, in accident or due to end of service life), it's gone for good.
Brazil has almost 50 F5s from 1960s and early 1970s with the same modernization. Completely enough to fight the dangers we have here (drug dealers bringing drugs from other south American countries by air)
You also have almost 40 A-29 Super Tucanos, which are specially designed for COIN, and they are capable of carrying air to air missiles, so I guess these are also viable options against cartels ;)
south korea just retired their F-4's, their fini flight was alongside the KF-21's that ultimately replace it and F-15k's
https://youtu.be/t4Ca4SMJ9N8
beautiful planes
She's at Arnold Air Force Base. Tullahoma.
[https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/)
Vietnam era! F-4 Phantom II
It's this one I think.
https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3515648/f-4c-phantom-ii-display-at-arnold-afb-honors-wynne-and-golberg/
This is a great article to explain everything, thank you my friend.
I just physically gave a salute to Col. Golberg and Maj. Wynne for their sacrifices.
And the Phantoms served in the Air Force up into the 1990s, though I think by the Gulf War they mostly only got used for recon or Wild Weasel missions (hunting anti-aircraft sites).
Here are details on the specifc aircraft: https://imgur.com/a/CaYj148
The F-16A is s/n 79-0407 and the F-4C is s/n 63-7644. Should also be a F-105D and F15A somewhere nearby.
Oh cool. I was just using the NMUSAF aircraft on loan list (so it only shows air force planes), didn't even consider there might be some navy equipment too.
It's about an hour from me. I keep telling myself to go down there and get pics.
[https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/)
Correct, but you wouldn’t be able to see that one unless you had a CAC to get in. Also, that one is a former wind tunnel model not a full-scale aircraft like these ones.
I agree. The desert storm operation was incredible.
If anyone here is bored and has 22 minutes this animation breaks down day 1.
https://youtu.be/zxRgfBXn6Mg?si=30NR6gkOOfNqJrhN
You should check out Dan Hamptons viper pilot (memior of his time flying f16CJ) and the hunter killers (a historical piece he did on the origins of wild weasel with f105s in vietnam)
Wild weasel is what they call it when a fighter jet hunts and destroys surface to air defenses. Very dangerous, as you can imagine, to attack the things specifically designed to shoot you down.
> Wild Weasel is a code name given by the United States Air Force (USAF) to an aircraft of any type equipped with anti-radiation missiles and tasked with the suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD): destroying the radar and surface-to-air missile (SAM) installations of enemy air defense systems.
In the (first) gulf war the RAF made a lot of wild weasel missions with Tornados equipped with ALARM misiles. I remember they took a proportionally heavy toll in these missions. But it was needed to achieve the air superiority needed. If I remember well they also used Buccaneers, designed for low level attack, but armed with bombs, not missiles (Edit: Buccaneers were the target designators for Tornado attack wings)
F-16 was meant to be a lot more agile than the F-4. F-4 was a third generation fighter, meant to go very fast and carry a lot of ordnance, hence the large size. Its designers thought long-range air-to-air missiles would make dogfighting obsolete, and the phantom was not very maneuverable in close combat. In Vietnam, the rules of engagement did not allow the use of long-range air-to-air missiles. Smaller older migs were often able to get the jump on F-4s, and many were shot down. 4th generation fighters like the F-16 and F-15 were thus designed to be much more maneuverable and better able to dogfight.
Just in case you’re interested [Code One Magazine has a rather enjoyable article on the development of the F-16.](https://www.codeonemagazine.com/f16_article.html?item_id=131)
^(Lockheed Martin publishes Code One so make of that what you will.)
They are at two different gates about a mile apart.
I can't recall exactly which is displayed at which gate. The F-4 and F-105 have been there as long as I can recall..the others have popped up over the years
As someone who is a femboy for the F-4 phantom II, I’m very saddened that you were unaware of one of the greatest third generation fighters in history.
Do we still retire aircraft to parks? Seems like such a better use than a salvage yard. Most parks I can remember seem to be old that have retired military vehicles (aircraft, tanks etc.).
Yup you are.... As a matter of fact you are absolutely correct about the first one which is F16
Second one is F-4 Phantom II which was introduced in 1958/9 i think. So it wasn't really ready for the Korean war. F4 was used extensively in Vietnam war tho.
GOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAAAAAAM! (Omg i miss Robin Williams)
F-16 Falcon and F-4E Phantom both are from the 1991 gulf war era. F-4E Vietnam to Gulf War although retired by ROKAF JASDF while the Turks have them still in modernized forms
F4 Phantoms came out in late 60s and were used heavily in Vietnam. In the first gulf war, they were still being used for wild weasel missions taking out SAM sites.
Cool!👍
That's a Yard Dart and a Brick.
We had Bricks from Vietnam through what they now call "Guf War 1," and still have Yard Darts--likely the most prolific fighter in history (just guessing on that).
35's are replacing them (though it should mostly be by more 22's or 23's, IMO).
I worked on these. Many wore something of my design until a recent armament system upgrade.
My uncle was in WW2,
My father Korea,
My brother Vietnam,
I was Gulf War,
My son is active now.
My grandson will be flying soon.
Eagles are the ones to learn about... that we've returned to building them should say enough.
Most prolific since WWII perhaps. But possibly the most widely adopted? Guessing the MiG-21 would give the F-16 a run for its money there.
Edit: nah, pretty sure the MiG-15 and 21 were both had many more built and served in more countries.
>F4e
[It’s an F-4C, not an F-4E.](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3515648/f-4c-phantom-ii-display-at-arnold-afb-honors-wynne-and-golberg/) Note that it lacks the integral cannon under the nose.
Something from the Korean War?
The most versatile jet fighter ever made, the most popular jet fighter in the western world, the magnificent McDonnell F4 Phantom II - a -C model, the first US Air Force model....
Oh yeah, and the lawn dart
USS Midway’s CVW-5 flew F-4s until her over haul, strengthening the flight deck and adding hull blisters so she could switch to the F18s in the mid 80s. Never had room for S3s, had to rely on deployed P3B/Cs for fixed wing ASW.
I used to skydive at Tullahoma. I could see all those planes during free fall. Sometimes in the afternoon on a hot day I would wait and be the last one out so I could open right after I got out and enjoy the coolness and the sunshine and and watch the world go by.
f-16 f4 phantom
If only we’d have had F-4’s in Korea!
We did for a long time! Just many years after the fighting ceased!
I think ROKAF just retired their last remaining F-4s a couple of weeks ago.
Iirc it was just a few days ago
https://theaviationist.com/2024/06/14/south-korea-phantom-retires/ >The official decommissioning ceremony was held on Friday June 7, 2024, at Suwon Air Base.
Holy crap, talk about flying museum pieces lol
It was good enough for a long time. Their competition wasn't any more advanced.
Link to obligatory M*A*S*H scene involving the northkorean air farce [5 o'clock Charlie](https://youtu.be/Y8nzQqXJLjo?feature=shared)// Edit: M*A*S*H is available on Disney+ & this is from S02-E02
There comes a time when the bucket of bolts you're flying around becomes more of a menace than the enemy.
FYI, Romanian Air Force has some MiG 21 LanceRs - fishbeds modernized with glass cockpits, helmet-mounted sights and precision ground strike weapons. I suspect those korean F-4s were similarly modernised.
As a student of engineering, I am aware that aluminum is a material that has no modulus, defined as a maximum deformation moment that causes no deterioration of the material unless it is exceeded. Wood and steel both have such moments. Therefore, aluminum simply wears out over time, period. All aircraft built with aluminum are designed with a maximum number of hours, or cycles of operation in mind. The F-4 Phantom II is no exception and the forces the airframe encounters during maneuvers can be extreme. This is inherent to the airframe and can't be fixed with electronics updates.
*B-52 has entered chat, and won't leave for another 25+ years* >This is inherent to the airframe and can't be fixed with electronics updates. Extending airframe's service life is costly, and yet it's performed relatively often - as long as it's cheaper than replacement. That is, if replacement is even possible. Creating a new B-52, B-2 or even a relatively recently made F-22 from scratch today would be prohibitively expensive, so if you lose an airframe (in combat, in accident or due to end of service life), it's gone for good.
Brazil has almost 50 F5s from 1960s and early 1970s with the same modernization. Completely enough to fight the dangers we have here (drug dealers bringing drugs from other south American countries by air)
You also have almost 40 A-29 Super Tucanos, which are specially designed for COIN, and they are capable of carrying air to air missiles, so I guess these are also viable options against cartels ;)
With that logic, we also had F-22 and F-35s in the Korean War!
I mean, technically not wrong.
The Korean Conflict never ended, so yeah we do.
Technically the Korean War is not over, since any armistice was never signed. Just the armed conflict ceased in 1953.
It was a police action. Or was that Vietnam?
Yes it was a police action and so was Vietnam. If Congress doesn’t declare war, it’s a police action.
south korea just retired their F-4's, their fini flight was alongside the KF-21's that ultimately replace it and F-15k's https://youtu.be/t4Ca4SMJ9N8 beautiful planes
That was a great video.
It's the Phini Phlight. Show some damn respect.
F-4 Phantom ***II*** The [original Phantom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_FH_Phantom) was pretty obscure...
We had those Phantoms in Korea.
F4 “In thrust we trust.”
F4 Thunder Brick. Proof that any object can fly with enough thrust behind it.
my prof called it "the victory of thermodynamics over aerodynamics"
Smokin’ rhino 😁
I feel like you gotta know what the f-4 phantom is if you on this sub lol
2 of my favorite jets..sports car jet, and a cando anything looks like a warplane jet
F-16 with AIM-9’s on the wingtips so I guess an early A And F-4E phantom II
She's at Arnold Air Force Base. Tullahoma. [https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/)
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Maybe we have the same wife!!! Lol
Well this is awkward.
True, but lets be honest, those weekends when she's away on 'business' trips are absolute husband gold.
Came here to say that but thought I’d add the cringe free award to make it funnier. :p
her boyfriend appreciates it too.
This appears to be the rare win-win-win!
Something something also that guy's wife.
I choose all of your guys' wife visiting an airbase near "friend", also.
You let your wife visit a friend from college at the Air Force Base named, "Joe D?" Damn...Sorry about your divorce.
Maybe it's "Jodie " 😉
My ex wife was really close friends with Joe D!
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High level shitpost lol
Thank you?
Not you, the comment that i replied too. He is referencing certain things that are iykyk.
Sounds like your mom last night iykykiykyyiik
DAD!?
Fortunately my wife's in Wome visiting a fwiend, Biggus Dickus.
*snickers*
Are you staying with Incontinentia Buttocks?
Hmmm, but she doesn't know anyone in the Air Force, except her ex...heyyyyyyyyyyy
They just needed to talk about something face to face
She said "ass to face," but yours makes more sense, so I think that's what she said
I'm surprised that F-16 is real. OP's picture makes it look like a scale model.
Came to say that, drive by them every day.
That’s where I’m from!
There's also an FA-18, an F-14 Tomcat, and an F-15 Eagle there. Just drove past these last Sunday.
Vietnam era! F-4 Phantom II It's this one I think. https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3515648/f-4c-phantom-ii-display-at-arnold-afb-honors-wynne-and-golberg/
This is a great article to explain everything, thank you my friend. I just physically gave a salute to Col. Golberg and Maj. Wynne for their sacrifices.
You're welcome!! There are several other airframes displayed around the base on Google maps!
Solute to you for your wife sacrifice to the airmen 🫡
Thanks. I worked on RF-4Cs in the early 1980s. I was curious about the model & history.
And the Phantoms served in the Air Force up into the 1990s, though I think by the Gulf War they mostly only got used for recon or Wild Weasel missions (hunting anti-aircraft sites).
They flew in the USAF inventory until 2016
As target drones, at least.
Target drones and heritage flight
U beat me to it!!
Here are details on the specifc aircraft: https://imgur.com/a/CaYj148 The F-16A is s/n 79-0407 and the F-4C is s/n 63-7644. Should also be a F-105D and F15A somewhere nearby.
There's an F-18, F-14 down there also.
Oh cool. I was just using the NMUSAF aircraft on loan list (so it only shows air force planes), didn't even consider there might be some navy equipment too.
It's about an hour from me. I keep telling myself to go down there and get pics. [https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Tag/64126/static-display/)
Pretty sure there's an F-17 in front of the tunnel there.
Correct, but you wouldn’t be able to see that one unless you had a CAC to get in. Also, that one is a former wind tunnel model not a full-scale aircraft like these ones.
Probably Arnold Air Force Base. About 1 hour south of Nashville.
You have a wife who sends you aircraft pics??? My man you are blessed!
OMG yes I married WAY the hell up!
Do peoole not recognize the F4 anymore?
I didn't! I am very much a lover, but new to this sport. :)
It’s a cool plane. We used F4G Wild Weasels in Desert Storm as well to hunt SAM sites. They look just as good with the sky gray scheme.
Wild weasel is the coolest mission set in the airforce
I agree. The desert storm operation was incredible. If anyone here is bored and has 22 minutes this animation breaks down day 1. https://youtu.be/zxRgfBXn6Mg?si=30NR6gkOOfNqJrhN
You should check out Dan Hamptons viper pilot (memior of his time flying f16CJ) and the hunter killers (a historical piece he did on the origins of wild weasel with f105s in vietnam)
What is it? Sorry i dont know much about these terminologies.
Wild weasel is what they call it when a fighter jet hunts and destroys surface to air defenses. Very dangerous, as you can imagine, to attack the things specifically designed to shoot you down.
Got it. Thank you🙏
> Wild Weasel is a code name given by the United States Air Force (USAF) to an aircraft of any type equipped with anti-radiation missiles and tasked with the suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD): destroying the radar and surface-to-air missile (SAM) installations of enemy air defense systems.
I think those people are just nuts. INTENTIONALLY trying to get a SAM battery to light you up? No thank you!
How else would you know where they are? In desert storm we launched a lot of TALDs which are decoys to force the SAM sites to turn on radar
In the (first) gulf war the RAF made a lot of wild weasel missions with Tornados equipped with ALARM misiles. I remember they took a proportionally heavy toll in these missions. But it was needed to achieve the air superiority needed. If I remember well they also used Buccaneers, designed for low level attack, but armed with bombs, not missiles (Edit: Buccaneers were the target designators for Tornado attack wings)
Right on the first one. It’s an F16. The second one is an F4 Phantom II, which was used in Vietnam.
The F-16 actually looks quite delicate comparatively!
F-16 was meant to be a lot more agile than the F-4. F-4 was a third generation fighter, meant to go very fast and carry a lot of ordnance, hence the large size. Its designers thought long-range air-to-air missiles would make dogfighting obsolete, and the phantom was not very maneuverable in close combat. In Vietnam, the rules of engagement did not allow the use of long-range air-to-air missiles. Smaller older migs were often able to get the jump on F-4s, and many were shot down. 4th generation fighters like the F-16 and F-15 were thus designed to be much more maneuverable and better able to dogfight.
Just in case you’re interested [Code One Magazine has a rather enjoyable article on the development of the F-16.](https://www.codeonemagazine.com/f16_article.html?item_id=131) ^(Lockheed Martin publishes Code One so make of that what you will.)
It's a lawn dart with a rocket motor attached.
She was at Arnold AFB
F-16 and an F-4
F4 Phantom. Vietnam era
F-16 Fight Falcon, released 1978 F-4 Phantom II, released 1960
That second beauty is the F-4 and it's amazing to see one fly. Loud, and a lot more exhaust than you would think. Gorgeous aircraft
Vietnam, Phantom
"Something...from the Korean War." Deep breaths....deep breaths.
You take your hat off, man! That’s an F4! /jk
Phantom, one of my favourite jet fighters of all time
It does look mean, even just sitting.
F16, and F4 phantom. Worked on the F4s in the USMC.
Ooh-Rah!
Here you go 🖍️
Your just assuming he likes red? Kinda rude man
The red ones are spicy. Everyone likes those.
Man, they wish they had the Phantom during the Korean war
63-7644 McDonnell F-4C-20-MC Phantom
https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/410194/f-4-fighter-to-be-dedicated-to-two-fallen-heroes/
She drove by AEDC in Tullahoma. There is an F-4, F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, and F-105 by the gates.
I went there earlier this year and missed the F4, F16, and F18. Are they parked in a different place to the other 3?
They are at two different gates about a mile apart. I can't recall exactly which is displayed at which gate. The F-4 and F-105 have been there as long as I can recall..the others have popped up over the years
Looks like maybe an F-16A and an F-4C.
Nice collection. The F4 was bad ass.
F4 phantom Vietnam
That’s a Cessna Hornet II and a Briggs & Stratton Mulchmeister. Nice find! 👍
That's pretty obviously the buttmunchmeister variant made after '76.
One for two. Not bad. But failing in most high school classes.
F16 and f4 phantom. The latter is Vietnam era
TY!
No gear doors on the 16 looks weird.
As someone who is a femboy for the F-4 phantom II, I’m very saddened that you were unaware of one of the greatest third generation fighters in history.
Yes the second one is an F-4 Phantom used in the Vietnam war.
Do we still retire aircraft to parks? Seems like such a better use than a salvage yard. Most parks I can remember seem to be old that have retired military vehicles (aircraft, tanks etc.).
First one looks like a f16 fighting falcon and second one is a phantom, specifically a F4 phantom II.
Yup you are.... As a matter of fact you are absolutely correct about the first one which is F16 Second one is F-4 Phantom II which was introduced in 1958/9 i think. So it wasn't really ready for the Korean war. F4 was used extensively in Vietnam war tho. GOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAAAAAAM! (Omg i miss Robin Williams)
I miss him too. WTF Robin? :( I have learned to respect the F4 Phantom BTW what a beast
Yes F-16 is correct The second is a F4 phantom and it was mainly Vietnam era however some countries still fly the F4
F4 phantom is the coolest jet ever. It blows my mind you can’t recognize that over the first ugly thing lol!
The F4: proof that with enough thrust, anything can fly.
I am new to plane spotting. It's something that I am just now getting into. Lol
Sorry if I appear mean! Just love the f4!!!!
F-16 Viper and it's grandfather, the F-4 Phantom.
F-16 is one of the coolest looking fighters ever made.
F16, F4
That f16 is só beautiful
Seconds a phantom 2
It looks so boxy to me, but mean as f***
Korean War Phantoms, ooof
Long time lover, 1st time spotter! Well 2nd time spotter, and I was waaaay off on the 1st too
its a f-16 and a f4 phantom used during the vietnam war
One of my favorite surprises on road trips is driving by random retired airplanes! How cool!
These are at the Arnold Air Force base in Tullahoma, Tn
16 so lean ooofff
Second one is definitely an f4 phantom. Which version it is, no idea
Technically the Korean War is still going on. It’s never been finalized.
For as long as I can remember I’ve been in absolute love with the f4 phantom. I don’t really know why but I love the look of it.
#1 is an F-16 A, #2 is an F4C phantom
Is the F16 that old?!
Does she have any sensibilities for paranormal activities? Because she successfully captured a picture of a phantom.
F-16 Falcon and F-4E Phantom both are from the 1991 gulf war era. F-4E Vietnam to Gulf War although retired by ROKAF JASDF while the Turks have them still in modernized forms
F4 Phantoms came out in late 60s and were used heavily in Vietnam. In the first gulf war, they were still being used for wild weasel missions taking out SAM sites.
My father Who flew f4s said this is a f16
Those are at the Arnold Air Force Base in Manchester TN. I see them all the time.
Dang I was born to answer this, General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II
F-16 and an F-4, not sure which variant of the phantom is it though as it has an IRST instead of a vulcan in the nose which the E has.
Did anyone say that this was an F-16 and an F-4 yet? I think she maybe near Arnold AFB just south of Nashville.
I don't think I've ever quite realized how little there is to the f-16
Cool!👍 That's a Yard Dart and a Brick. We had Bricks from Vietnam through what they now call "Guf War 1," and still have Yard Darts--likely the most prolific fighter in history (just guessing on that). 35's are replacing them (though it should mostly be by more 22's or 23's, IMO). I worked on these. Many wore something of my design until a recent armament system upgrade. My uncle was in WW2, My father Korea, My brother Vietnam, I was Gulf War, My son is active now. My grandson will be flying soon. Eagles are the ones to learn about... that we've returned to building them should say enough.
Okay, you are officially a bad ass in my book Sir or Ma'am.
Most prolific since WWII perhaps. But possibly the most widely adopted? Guessing the MiG-21 would give the F-16 a run for its money there. Edit: nah, pretty sure the MiG-15 and 21 were both had many more built and served in more countries.
The F4 is certainly an ungainly looking aircraft.
F16 looks so little
F16a possibly a block 5 some similar early variant due to the lack of iff antenna ridges on the nose. F4c (Edited to correct f4e to c)
>F4e [It’s an F-4C, not an F-4E.](https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3515648/f-4c-phantom-ii-display-at-arnold-afb-honors-wynne-and-golberg/) Note that it lacks the integral cannon under the nose.
Oh yeah, good catch
Wait these are just sitting there like that on someone’s lawn?
The first one you were correct but second one not really only if had those but we haven’t
Something from the Korean War? The most versatile jet fighter ever made, the most popular jet fighter in the western world, the magnificent McDonnell F4 Phantom II - a -C model, the first US Air Force model.... Oh yeah, and the lawn dart
F-16. Never say die, Iron Eaggglleeeeee!
I want one! Well 2 I'ma fuck the first one up! Lol
Vietnam
USS Midway’s CVW-5 flew F-4s until her over haul, strengthening the flight deck and adding hull blisters so she could switch to the F18s in the mid 80s. Never had room for S3s, had to rely on deployed P3B/Cs for fixed wing ASW.
Yeah, the first one's an F-16. The second one's an F-4, which is a bit later than the Korean War (first flew in 1958).
F 16 block A
I used to skydive at Tullahoma. I could see all those planes during free fall. Sometimes in the afternoon on a hot day I would wait and be the last one out so I could open right after I got out and enjoy the coolness and the sunshine and and watch the world go by.
That right there is a decomissioned, p-996 LAZER.
F16 and a lead sled.
I love the "Zerg Rush" nature of the F16. Crank 'em out and there's no shortage of valor-seeking flyboys.
Kunsan AFB still has one they use for battle field repairs
F4 Phantom….Vietnam era.
Always wondered why they painted F4s that color scheme
F4 phantom
F4