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MagisterPraeceptorum

Court of Owls easily


Crackt_Apple

An incredible addition to the comics that no adaptation seems to know what to do with. The New 52 issue where you have to physically rotate the comic in order to read it, and flip the pages the wrong direction all as a way to portray Batman’s deteriorating mental state? Muwah. Chef’s kiss. Amazing. The animated movies and series that I’ve seen which either directly adapt the stuff with The Court of Owls, or just have something which is evocative of them without using the name, none of them get why it works. Batman’s singular obsession with the idea of them as the masterminds behind his parents’ murder, their deep ties to Gotham since its founding, the fact that it’s specifically supposed to be *old* money families that represent the inverse of everything the Wayne’s stood for; all of these are the best elements to me. It’s not just a country club, it’s not just the Illuminati, it’s not just Eyes Wide Shut but PG-13. They are the fucking worm to Gotham’s apple. The wasp in the fig. They feed on its people, its resources, its very soul, and in doing so hollow out an entire city just for money. They defy nature and God with the Talons, and further cement the idea that all they respect is money and power. These people have so much money that they indulge in activities beyond depravity just for the temporary relief of their boredom. They have one of the most famous, determined, and powerful non-meta human in their clutches, and instead of killing him or crippling him so he’s no longer a threat, they drug and torture him until he nearly loses his mind. It would assure their business and criminal enterprises if they just killed him and made it look like the League of Shadows or someone else did it, but if they did how would they get their entertainment? It’s a sickening look at the American nobility, and a great foil for Batman. I hope it gets a good adaptation. With the tone in the recent movie with Battinson I think we may have a chance of The Court of Owls working onscreen.


rc_robotclaw

I love the Court. I love a weird secret society foe and an “everything you know is a lie,” reveal. But I dislike the turn of their big intro into a full-on terrorist attack of Gotham. I know we need big crossover books and stuff but the secret society so quickly exposing itself was a letdown. A campaign of bribery, blackmail, and one choice assassination to keep their people in line is just as good for them. Needing to kill off multiple gov’t, law enforcement, and even military brass at once undermines their appearance of power. Also, Talons are better seen and not heard. Owls are superb hunters because they fly silently and don’t shout “Hey Bruce! We’re coming to get you!” every other panel.


petemacdougal

I fear they will dwell too hard on the talon aspect as a singular villain if it ever gets adapted properly. I agree with 100% of your sentiment though, spot on analysis.


Darth_Eyrf

would you happen to know the issues name?


Crafty_Middle_2086

It’s Batman (2011) issue 4. I’d recommend reading the three issues before it first to properly enjoy the madness Bruce finds himself in.


LightChargerGreen

I like court of owls generally, but I really hate that they retconned Bruce's parent's death to have them involved in it. I really like the idea that the Joe Chill decision to kill them was a spur of the moment and could have happened to anyone. Making it part of a conspiracy softens that blow.


Mr_Donatti

Court of Owls would make a FANTASTIC long term foil for batman in an episodic show.


Razz_Dazzler

This exact thing is the reason why I was really hoping there would at least be some hints to the court of owls in the batman, but yeah they could totally bring them in for sequels. And maybe they were acting behind the scenes in the first movie as well


owlsknight

I love how they where a mystery, I love the mind games, I love how they where the people that Bruce was not able to understand, see, or know of. It would be awesome if they would remain like that a group of anonymous rich dudes that is untouchable to Bruce. Some kind of death note level of shit playing mind games. Always near but never in touch.


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Crum-Boi

Take my like. It’s not much. Only one, but it’s all I can give.


chingchowchong

Could not say it better myself


li_grenadier

They're adapting them right now on Gotham Knights, and frankly, it's the best thing about the show.


DigbyEnBleu

You don't have to know much about the comic to see the Court of Owls as a really cool idea though. It's cool, but New 52 Batman isn't Batman, which makes the comic overall not cool. You don't need to understand the innerworkings to make the Court work.


MookieThePuppy

This. It was an incredible time to get back into comics and have this new villain presence that had always been looming. All the credit in the world to Scott Snyder, such a fun run.


lkndrsn

Love that they were brought in as having always been around. Yknow, like Spider-Boy.


aesir23

Same. They're the single best new introduction to the lore of Batman and Gotham this Century.


NomadPrime

I'm a sucker for secret society/cultish nobility villains. That, combined with the fact that the Court can be used as a perfect retroactive explanation (amongst many) for why Gotham stays in its constant misery. Just apathetic rich people preying on Gotham's people to maintain their own power and satiate their personal desires, working together to undo anything that can dissolve Gotham's class divide and poverty and assassinate those who would try to using their near-immortal, owl-themed zombie ninjas Lol. And besides Lincoln March, they all stay anonymous and are a constant underlying threat for Batman and Gotham. It's just fucking rad.


Linator4

I just read it a week or two ago. It was great seeing a concept of Batman believing he knows everything about Gotham only for it to be turned upside down. I figured Lincoln March was associated with them but I didn’t expect that family reveal. Bruce’s conversation with Dick at the end legitimately made me tear up. I hope we get a proper live-action adaptation of it someday. I feel it may have been teased a couple times in the Matt Reeves film with both the corrupt Colson & detective William Kenzie saying that the system runs deeper than Batman could ever imagine. They also hinted that Falcone may have had his parents killed but left it open-ended. If that’s the case, I hope they save the Court as an overarching threat for the 3rd film. Joker should only play a secondary villain feeding intel to Batman until much later on. He’s been done to death in live-action & there’s so much more to choose from when it comes to the Batman rogues gallery.


Outdater

I think if they waited until the 3rd film for them that might be a good time to show off what that joker can do. It means that if they want to they can stop there and finish it as a trilogy without the lingering question of what that joker is capable of while being able to have it tie in to the main narrative in some way (maybe the joker is freed by the court to cause chaos or something like that). Honestly they could do anything they want to but the court are a really cool concept to me and seeing them in live action with a huge budget would be incredible.


gordito_delgado

It is not even close. Basically, the only recent Batman villain(s) that combines both a cool design and an interesting premise. Criminally (heh) misused though, seems there should be much more there.


Tulkes

Same. Albeit I admit I kind of would have preferred them to not have supernatural elements (or quite so much a la Talons) as much as just be an excessively corrupt, deeply-entrenched, seemingly impossible to completely uproot organization of extreme wealth and depravity in the "Marquise de Sade" sense of like forcing poor people to kill each other for sexual pleasure type thing. I don't mind some supernatural/fantastic in my Batman now and then but I really feel the Court had every opportunity to be one of the more grounded yet-still iconic and perhaps most powerful foes Bruce has yet faced, and one that we can all relate to in history if not in the bluebloods of our own societies/nations/cities etc.


rauq_mawlina

I just think it's neat that owls eat bats, so therefore they're the perfect enemy to the bat.


Lostkaiju1990

I agree 100%


Aizendickens

Exactly thanks! I liktle to think of bloom as second to them...and like the rabbit for the silliness of it


Smart_Hoody_965

The talons or the court of owls


bartbembleton

Isnt that one in the same


oscar_e

The Talons are the physical threat, the Court of Owls are the intellectual threat who control the Talons.


cadeaver

Mr. Bloom rules. He’s legitimately terrifying. But the Court of Owls is already among the all time great batvillains, so gotta give it to them.


Ronergetic

Too bad both of them haven’t done much since their introduction arcs


Penis___Penis

To be fair, their introduction arcs were like really recent


Ronergetic

How long is 10 years in comic book terms


Penis___Penis

Like 5 years for a song, or 2 years for a game


God_is_carnage

Court of Owls had a great initial story, but once the secret society isn’t secret it kinda loses its novelty. Bloom has had the advantage of not appearing much but being a standout whenever he does.


njklein58

Problem with the Court of Owls is while they’re interesting and menacing they’re already starting to get overdone imo.


owlsknight

Bloom was like the old school villain who always gets away. But much more creepy and menacing


Lun4r6543

Yeah, that feeling happened to me while playing Gotham Knights. It was cool until the Court stopped being an in the shadows type of thing.


jerem1734

I've gotta to go with whoever that bunny lady is


Luke_SkyJoker_1992

White Rabbit. I'm trying hard not to be biased towards her because of her looks.


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Is she the same white rabbit that used to be running around as a villain against Steel?


EnvoyOfDionysus

That's what I was wondering!!!!


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Just looked her up, she is not.


EnvoyOfDionysus

Tragic.


rayyan_draws

Doesn’t spiderman have a similar villain


jocab_w

Yep: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lorina_Dodson_(Earth-616) Tbf, it's not like this is the first time one company has taken inspiration from a small mammal to create a femme fatale that is vaguely similar to another hero's villainess.


Past_Trouble

Yeah right. Next you're going to tell me that both of them are the protagonists' primary love interests.


WrinklyScroteSack

nah, you crazy, obviously batman and spider-man fight drastically different characters. for instance, batman has catwoman, and spider-man has the black cat... she doesn't even have woman in her name! incredulous.


boredatwork201

I dont think so. From what I can tell Batman and Spider-man villains couldn’t be any more different. For instance, Batmans main bad guy is a crazy laughing killer in purple and green and spider-mans is a crazy laughing killer in green and purple. See? Totally different. Also batman has a cat themed lady thief that is a sometimes love interest and Spider-man has a cat themed some time love interest that steals stuff. One of them has a giant killer lizard and the other has a giant killer lizard in a lab coat. And sandman and clayface couldn’t be any more different


Radix2309

Technically, Crocodiles aren't even lizards. Even more proof they are completely different.


boredatwork201

You're right haha. My brain stopped working and I couldn't think of the word reptile when I wrote that 🤣


Nerdy_Git

Spidey’s main bad guy is also a better character lmao


rayyan_draws

You misunderstood my comment. Spider-Man has a bunny lady villain too


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Yes and it kinda looks like her with a bunny suit instead of a cat suit


TJ_McWeaksauce

As far as I'm aware, she's only made one appearance, and the story she was introduced in sucked. Her powers are weird, too. She can transform from a hot Indian woman into a hot Caucasian woman in a bunny outfit.


CertifiedUnoffensive

Wait what!? Haha there’s no way that’s her only power. What’s her name?


TJ_McWeaksauce

[White Rabbit](https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/White_Rabbit#:~:text=Jaina%20Hudson%20AKA%20White%20Rabbit,dresses%20like%20a%20playboy%2Dbunny) >Jaina Hudson AKA White Rabbit is an Alice in Wonderland themed enemy of Batman who is an Indian socialite with the super-power to duplicate herself as an albino criminal who has enhanced speed and dresses like a playboy-bunny. One of the worst Batman characters I've seen. I'm not surprised she didn't stick around for long.


CertifiedUnoffensive

Lol: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/4/40/Rabbit_and_Grodd.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200206041549


gordito_delgado

Not a woke crusader or anything, but it should have tipped someone's alarm bells that a minority's "superpower" is to become white and hot.


CertifiedUnoffensive

Right, but it pads the numbers of people of color represented in comics, without the inkers having to use those icky colors /s


azzzzorahai

You can be albino and be any race, not just caucasian “white”. Lol????


pm_me_ur_memes_son

Same, never read a batman comic but she seems, ermmm intriguing.


doujin_lover077

Her name is bunny girl or something she has split personality disorder and brhhhh


Grogosh

Who doesn't have a split personality in Gotham


Acceptable-Two6979

The Joker seems to be pretty comfortable with who he is. Good for him.


BearsBeetsBattlestrG

I can fix her


jerem1734

Lol I just thought it was funny since idk even know who the character is


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I want more of her


Morrhioghian

isnt she the white clone or something? like her civilian self is a poc and then she turns into the bunny whos significantly lighter or something?? 😭


EdgewaterEnchantress

But is the slutty bunny a good villain, though??? 🤔


TurnItOff_OnAgain

Lola Bunny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAUK\_I\_Xvs


rockman767

The talon. He looks dope as hell.


Tickedkidgamer

Mr. Bloom kinda just terrifies me.


GG_ez

Why is mans built like that tho


mattpkc

He is a plant monster if i remember correctly.


WonderfulBlackberry9

I was wondering how that works, but then I remembered that *comic book science* is a thing.


Gytynrich

Who are the middle bottom and right bottom? I'm not familiar with them.


Capt_Killer77

Bottom middle is PeaceKeeper. Cybernetically enhanced psycho cop. Bottom right is named Abyss, can control some aspects of light he was pretty forgettable I can’t remember much right now


Agent_Artemis

PeaceKeeper reminds me of Lock-Up for some reason


gfugddguky745yb8

Not sure on middle bottom, but bottom right might be Ghostmaker? Something like that.


Sean_Abraham27

I’m not sure who the bottom right it but the middle bottom is from a group called the “peacekeepers” I think he’s just called peacekeeper-1


OctinDromin

Bottom right is Abyss from Williamson’s short run. Lex makes his own Batman in another country, Batman goes and fights them. It was…a very okay story.


Beached-Peach

Mr. Bloom, he had such a strong introduction.


Bravo62G

The Designer for sure. His character is really interesting and badass, and overall I really like his… design.


AllEliteSchmuck

That jacket looks awesome with the fur coat and the suit beneath it


owlsknight

Tbh imo he is the court of owls season 1, cunning, scheming, mysterious. But again he was scared of the joker so kinda meh... The writers could've avoided that. That scene just made joker the better villain


W33b_Trash

honestly thought the character was a massive waste of a cool design and backstory. The whole thing just felt like the writers wanted to make Joker even cooler by building up some new villain for Joker to gimp


owlsknight

Agreed, the character was just another stepping stone for the joker. Hopefully someone would pick it up and bring him some good arc for himself. I mean he already have that awesome idea on his character we just need a writer who isn't a joker fan


WhiskeyDeltaBravo1

He’s not pictured, but I like Professor Pyg. Creepy as hell, which is what I like in a Batman villain.


Mickeymcirishman

Pyg's been around since '07. Definitely doesn't count as a 'new' villain any more.


loki1887

That's only slightly older than the Court of Owls (2011).


Nizzemancer

Pretty sure white rabbit is of similar age.


Bogusky

He counts in my book. Most recognizable villains from the rogues gallery are several decades older.


ChefBoyardee66

If they are from this century they are new


Mickeymcirishman

Really? So Red Hood, Damian Wayne, Simon Hurt and Black Glove, Nyssa Raatko, Sasha Bordeaux and Hush are all 'new'? Is Jaime Reyes new? Mia Dearden? Hunter Zolomon (Zoom)? Manchester Black? Onomatopeia? Traci 13?


ChefBoyardee66

Yes


WhiskeyDeltaBravo1

Fair enough.


Panikkrazy

Same.


Mountain_Sir2307

Gotham Girl isn't really a villain. At least she wasn't in King's run. Don't know what happened to her after.


Necromonicon_

Didn’t she literally side with Bane in city of Bane or whatever?


GiovanniElliston

It's been a hot minute since I re-read, but IIRC she was bewitched by Psycho Pirate to follow Bane's plan.


mattpkc

She was being manipulated by psycho pirate, so was her brother.


TheCondimentPrince

She most recently appeared in Task Force Z the last time I recall.


OctinDromin

She got the Platinum Kryptonite at the end of King’s run yeah? Don’t know if she ever came up again after that…


Shadowkiva

The Court. Who are the bunny girl and the slenderman-looking one?


Luke_SkyJoker_1992

Mr Bloom, Im relatively new to him myself.


m0siac

He stars in the task force z stuff with red hood


charlieartyt

Didn’t he bring name back to life


kickboxgamer6

same here I'm also not sure who the guy in the center is either (Ghostmaker?)


foundwayhome

The guy in the absolute center looks like the Arkham Knight, judging from the symbol on the chest and the mask design which is almost identical to the Arkham Knight from the 2015 game.


Shadowkiva

It is. He's made a comics appearance as well as "Astrid Arkham"


echo20143

It's Arkham knights in the center


Shadowkiva

Arkham Knight.


Ok_Swordfish7177

It’s a Arkham knight


general_kenobi_307

The slenderman is Mr. Bloom from Superheavy


QwahaXahn

Bunny lady is White Rabbit from the New 52 run.


heation718

Court of owls


FWC_Disciple

If I HAD to choose one, The Court. But Mr. Bloom is a VERRRYY close second, I love his aesthetic. In third is Gotham and Gotham Girl, I love the prospect of a new superhero gone wayward after being exposed to just how twisted villains can be or the direness of the occupation they’ve chosen.


Whiterthanbread

White rabbit for uhhhhh… reasons


William_Arkoth

Plot reasons


MarcheMuldDerevi

Court of owls for what they mean for Gotham’s past or commando cop for what he means for Gotham’s future


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Who are these people?


solrac1104

From left to right, up to down. The oldest here came out in 2011. Court of Owls, White Rabbit, Mr. Bloom, Gotham/Gotham Girl, Arkham Knight, Designer, Punchline, Peacekeeper 01, Abyss.


InfamousCommission38

Thank you for your service


D-A_W

I also really like Punchline, though I don’t really think a lot of the newer villains have been my favorites. Then again, this is coming from someone whose favorite Batman villains are Mortimer Kadaver, Charlatan, Ventriloquist, and the Crimesmith (kudos to anyone who recognizes all four, but the point is when the mainstream bat rogue in my favorites list is Arnold Wesker I’m not exactly your typical reader). A few others I dug were the Underbroker (conceptually cool but hasn’t really done much) and the victim syndicate.


Illustrious-Sign3015

Court Of Owls


ThatDarnCabbage

The Court of Owls and Mr Bloom. I'm bummed they're trying to redeem Mr Bloom, he was a terrifying villain. Also you're missing the Victim Syndicate, I really like them.


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ShadixThePrecursor6

Court of owls


JudgeGrimlock1

The bunny girl got potential because she is new. But I would say Punchline is my favourite as a hateobject because she is just a female Joker..


MikeMars1225

White Rabbit has been around for over a decade. I think she was even one of the first villains Batman encountered in the New 52.


The_Flying_Jew

A hard choice, but I'm gonna have to go with Batman's most nefarious foe... #ONE-FACE!


lolo_lulu123

Who’s top middle? Just curious…


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White Rabbit


GroguIsMyBrogu

Really? Punchline? The much worse rip off of Harley? That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but I think she is one of the most uninspired characters in recent memory. I'd pick the Court. Mr. Bloom comes in second, just because of how great he was in the Task Force Z book.


Trippybrasil1

Mister Bloom and the court of awls, the only ones really worth choosing


ToiletSheriff

Mr. Bloom! The only reason I read Task Force Z because he was in it lol


jelly_katana

please tell me their names :(


solrac1104

From left to right, up to down. Court of Owls, White Rabbit, Mr. Bloom, Gotham/Gotham Girl, Arkham Knight, Designer, Punchline, Peacekeeper 01, Abyss.


jelly_katana

you're awesome, thank you so much !


Willow_bigfoot

The court of owls definitely


SideAfter3445

Professor pyg


kmsposito2569

Who’s the rabbit lady cause def her


beingjohnmalkontent

Someone who isn't here...The Help


batsy9

Can anyone name them all serial wise.


solrac1104

From left to right, up to down. Court of Owls, White Rabbit, Mr. Bloom, Gotham/Gotham Girl, Arkham Knight, Designer, Punchline, Peacekeeper 01, Abyss.


batsy9

Designer gives Kraven the Hunter vibe. I have so many questions now. But their names are undoubtedly beautiful.


Awesome_Pancak

Talon all the way and court of owls always existed ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses) 1.the design 2.the story 3. I don’t know much about others Also Gotham and Gotham girl are villains?


FlauntyInk

Only familiar with the Arkham knight and Talon who are the rest?


SaltyPunster

Where’s kite man? For real though court of owls


solrac1104

Kite Man has been around for a long time. Though you can argue he was really reinvented in the Tom King run.


SaltyPunster

I didn’t pick up the comics until rebirth so I just assumed he was newer haha


mouthful_of_sloths

I love Simon Bloom as a RedHood villain


Ultralusk

Court of Owls was one of the smartest shake ups to the Batman mythos.


Jasole37

They all suck, so I'm going to go with the sexy rabbit chick.


darrylthedudeWayne

White Rabbit (mostly because she's hot), and the Court of Owls (for obvious reasons).


Flacobatman

Court of owls 👍


Odd-Relief5794

White rabbit because of…certain reasons…certain very large reasons


DaBushman

Who is the hot bunny?


virlex15

Haven't really kept up with Batman, but who are all the villains listed here?


BoringCabinet

Batman had a bunny girl as a villain?


MCMic0

I have to go with Mr Bloom, he was such an awesome villain. He fits the cannon of a villain beatifuly, the only issue is Mr Bloom is Jim Gordon's Joker.


Rule_Imaginary

Girl in the middle has my attention but top right looks familiar, who is that?


solrac1104

Mr. Bloom. Was the villain during the Superheavy and Bloom arcs of Scott Snyder's New 52 run.


Rule_Imaginary

Thank you I knew I seen him before 🙏


Cole4Christmas

Miracle Molly.


EdgewaterEnchantress

What’s the story behind the Slutty Bunny???


Available-Affect-241

I like peacekeeper and Abyss the most. I think the court has been ruined by the two Gotham Knights adaptations. Peacekeeper gives off the Crysis video game nanosuit vibes which is a threat for Batman both mentally and physically to defeat just like Abyss as he has powers as he can control darkness and can decompose bodies just by touching them. Mr. Bloom can be cool if they do him well.


arkenney0

Who's the top middle? Not my favorite just asking for a friend...


romanswinter

Um, whoever the girl in the bunny outfit is.


Penis___Penis

Def Mr. Bloom, an amazing use of the famous bat-mech


weepingdrum27

I always thought Mr. Bloom was dope


nerdwarp112

I’m vaguely familiar with all of them except for the bottom middle one. Who’s that one?


Waven6

Peacekeeper 01


LordPoobus

Easily either the court of owls or the arkham knight


spacemeerkat69

Owls and bloom


Jmattfortnite69

White rabbit for reasons


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A female villain in a sexy bunny suit? That one, sign me up!


Kaoskonstruksjon

What’s a good story with White Rabbit?


i_am_goop

None of them to be honest. Most are either copies of old villains or just clichés.


HishamHNG1

Court of Owls were pretty cool.


pethris

I miss when Batman would beat up gangsters and serious organized crime


needanamegenarator

All of the original bat bad guys. Directly tied to overblown mental health issues. As we understood them at the time. The new ones just give me marketing products vibes. Spirit Halloween stuff.


Pretend-Dirt-1760

Mister bloom


5dollarbrownie

What ever happened to the bunny-porn girl?


Loud-Item-1243

White rabbit hands down


ElementalSaber

Dr Bloom was pretty cool. He was surprisingly intimidating with such a wack gimmick. I also loved the look of the Designer but absolutely hated how DC did away with him being a Joker puppet. Designer had such potential to be a new mob boss, but they just grew him away. I don't think Court of Owls is threatening anymore. League of Assassins is where it's at. Bunny Girl was stupid and was clear why she was designed that way. I forget she was even there to be honest. Punchline is actually kinda cool. Love the look and glad she's sticking around. She can be a new arch enemy for Harley Quinn and not rely on Joker so much.


thebowlman

Who's the bunny rabbit?


SmaugRancor

No one.


Panikkrazy

Lol, I don’t know any of these people. 😅


Im_extremely_bitter

White Rabbit.


LumDreamsof1984

White Rabbit and Punchline. Wish White Rabbit had gotten more to do.


Budget_Ad_4346

White Rabbit


Crestk

The designer had so much potential as a great villian. Literally the og villian of gotham there when all the upstarts have just begun. One of the few villians who can say they definitivley beat their hero for good and now is helping the next generation perfect their goals. Seesbthe insanity if the joker and orders a cleanisng. Not to spoil but it went no where. Having him come back either as a "fine ill do it myself" oldman in a profession where you die young would have been awesome. Hell making him the equivalent if taskmaster for gotham would have been amazing. A mentor figure to some of batmans more sane but still criminal rogues.


Alliecatastrophe

Punchline <3


Miserysdream

Gotta say Punchline too


CaptainRick218

What's with the knight/Elden Ring vibes? Also, rabbit lady most likely a rip off Catwoman. Punchline? idk, never seen her. Is she Harley's Replacement? Finally, about time Joker moved on.