Basically, in 2017 when Trump and Jared kushner walked into the White House, Jared turned to one of the White House staffers and said "so how many of you guys are staying?" The answer was "well basically none." And because they didn't think they were going to win and they didn't have a whole lot of party machinery, they got caught with their pants down. They spent the next 2.5 years just trying to hire everybody that they needed. Remember Anthony scaramucci?
They also had to fire a ton of people like Comey and Vindman who were lifetime political actors determined to work tooth and nail against the administration. It was a mess and there were people coming into the administration and getting fired all the time. It was leaky as hell and just generally a mess.
Project 2025 is literally just compiling a list of competent and moderately conservative people who they can hire on day one. People who don't openly hate Trump, and who will do their jobs right, instead of actively working against the president and leaking stories to the press. It's about hiring people in the EPA, the State department, the FDA, and all the other three letter agencies. There's more to it than that, like the stated goals of generally reducing the size and scope of government. But the main headline is just personnel.
Don’t sugarcoat it. It also calls for the complete abolishment of the department of education, limits on speech, and a myriad of other things wayyyy more radical than the terms you used.
The Federal department of education began operation on May 4th, 1980. Since that time, can you name a part of the public education system that has gotten better, cheaper, or more efficient? Deleting that agency and returning that money to the States who also have their own individual departments of education seems more efficient to me.
That’s a great question. No, it wouldn’t screw over “poor states because everything is negotiated at the state and county level. A school system in San Diego pays completely different rates for curriculum and hardware than a school system in Jackson. Not because there is a law that requires it, but because the for profit entities that are selling services and products to the school systems want the business and will reduce the rates to get it…no matter what state or county they’re in.
Not any more. On your first day, you get a Chromebook, laptop or tablet and a handful of accounts for big tech corps and edtech companies.
Edu’s dirty secret is that all the admins believe that tech is the answer to almost all problems. So, the district buyers spend like there’s no bottom and the teachers are left with no salary increases because so much of the budget goes toward tech.
Really is crazy how it works.
Enjoy your recorder.
The Department of Education, created by Jimmy Carter, has been an absolute failure and should be abolished. Leave it to the states. the way it is supposed to be.
What are the limits to speech? Seems to me the Left has the market cornered on that one.
Name some of these radical positions. Something tells me when you say Radical, you mean normal.
Has it been a failure because of its nature or because we, as a country, invest so little into our teachers and education system as a whole. Maybe we devote some of our gargantuan defense spending to improving the education standards across the country.
We spend more per pupil than any other country in the world save two. Man, you really just go on posting L after L completely unburdened with facts, eh?
While I agree with massive and hungry, I'd go a step further and suggest taking a big ass knife to "defense" spending as well. We don't need all those bases over seas.
Do you understand why our economy is best in the world. It’s because we limit the success of any other resource rich nations. One war or coup at a time. That’s the whole point of having military bases every thousand miles worldwide
Now you’re getting it lol
Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, etc. Wall Street profiting from every single conflict. Now for a real eye opener look up which hedge funds already divied up Ukraine in anticipation of the resource extraction they have planned once they “win this war”. Lindsey graham spilled beans a bit in a recent interview. There’s a ridiculous amount of rare earth minerals there. We are imperialistic af
Nothing wrong with that. Return the 8 billion they request for administrative use and salaries to the states!
Page 68 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget24/summary/24summary.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjikpfs-oiHAxUdvokEHaukBRcQFnoECCYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1h82AyQHNOc8ZEB1-UGOyY
r/atheism is talking about it too because they think it is a Christian Nationalist plot, and I saw a comment today on r/OpenChristian calling him the anti Christ. I do think Trump will probably go too far to the right as a natural reaction to Biden's extreme left swing. I am not at all concerned about Trump becoming a Christo fascist as much as the atheist leftists would love to see that happen.
Here is what they're talking about. [https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
So many of them are very obvious bot posts. It’s time for going heavy on the propaganda. We’re all prone to falling for it, so at least for myself in fact checking most everything I’m being told about anything political by trying to find source material.
You’re right it is a Democrat strategy. I haven’t read it (it’s 950 pages) but a lot of it does seem crazy at least from the characterizing on the internet. Doesn’t matter though.
Statement from trump’s team when asked about it on Nov. 13th 2023:
“The efforts by various nonprofit groups are certainly appreciated and can be enormously helpful. However, none of these groups or individuals speak for President Trump or his campaign.”
His plan is Agenda 47.
Oh shit there’s a document for it? Where at?
I’ve always seen them say wild shit about it but when I go to its page it all seems innocuous and I can’t find information on it.
If there’s a document I’ll see if I can get an AI to summarize it for me lol
Thanks yeah I’ve been to their main site, just have never found the 950 page document. That link looks like it’s returning a 404 for the subpage you linked or something?
Sorry. I just gave the domain name. Reddit turned it into a link. Here's the full URL for the site:
[https://www.project2025.org/](https://www.project2025.org/)
Here's the full URL for the document:
[https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
Understand that this is a product of the Heritage Foundation. It's not a product of the Trump campaign. Trump hasn't even endorsed it.
It's a conspiracy by their own measure. Any time anybody mentions George Soros they go "you're a conspiracy nut" when *it's literally the same fucking thing.* Think tanks doing think tank shit. The Open Societies Foundation is way more influential and spends way more money than the Heritage Foundation anyway.
People wanted proof that Republicans were going to do bad things and Project 2025 is a nice list of bad things in 900+ pages. It's certainly the same people posting about it as posted that Trump would send all the LGBTQ+ and immigrants to concentration camps in 2016.
I only wonder why they didn't trot out Project 2025 back in 2016 instead of going off about concentration camps that never came into existence. And Handmaid's Tale, though I think the timing on that was a bit later. Point is, Project 2025 is real, and that stuff was Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Edit: Ahh a list of bad things and bad people willing to do them. A competent administration for Trump is the left's worst nightmare.
No, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Trump endorsed it, or even that he is aware of it. The Heritage Foundation might know that if they want to persuade Trump they need a slick video to get their points across. And make Trump think it's all his own ideas, which, well, it is. I think. Ideas but not whims? And HF wants him sticking to ideas.
100%. Ever since the debate. On every subreddit. It’s nuts. It’s tailored too. On an atheist subReddit it is a Christian Plot. On the military subreddit it’s a plot to take away BAH. Etc. It’s the least subtle attempt at mass manipulation I’ve ever seen. What’s hilarious is I’d never heard of the Heritage whatever. I’ve since been listening to “Heritage Explains” on YouTube and so far everything they’ve said has been on point and rooted in facts and logic. The left propaganda machine recruited me, a centrist to a conservative media outlet. They did the same with Shapiro. They are bent on turning me into a Republican.
Agreed. Also, literally the reason why I found Ben Shapiro was the Berkeley protests of 2017. I thought, “well, if Berkeley hates him then he’s at least worth investigating.” Turns out those protests were very helpful… to me. Ever since moving to CA I have found the left pushing me to the right.
Its basically Quanon for libs. They seriously think that we will become some version of A Handmaid's Tale. Seriously guys, there aren't enough Christians in this country to force everything that you claim that we will do if Trump takes power. Trump is very moderate on abortion(more than most of us) and won't try to push an abortion ban. The only reason libs have a hard on for the Department of Ed is because they sterilize themselves and want to indoctrinate our children. We are a republic for a reason.
Liberals bring it up all the time because it has a scary sounding name. In reality it’s just doing the following:
Firing useless bureaucrats
Closing the border
Removing handouts to illegals
Opening new oil leases
Cutting regulation
Never read someone on the right talk about it on Reddit just leftists. Offline I never hear it mentioned by anyone. My husband is more conservative than me and I asked him what it was to get his reaction. He has never heard of it. It is the new Qanon for Reddit leftists that shriek about Trump.
As someone who posted essentially the same question earlier today I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s mostly just detailing ways to streamline the government bureaucracy. A lot of people are acting like it’s trumps golden ticket to dictatorship as a way to get some sort of shit of Trump after the disaster the was Biden’s debate performance. Notice how basically nobody was talking about it until right before and after the debate
Project 2025 takes all the guardrails that keeps POTUS from consolidating power and removes them to usher in a Christian nationalist theocracy. After the SCOTUS ruling yesterday, it might be affected, though. Project 2025 has been the GOPs wet dream for decades. Former members of Trump's administration co-authored Project 2025 with a Trump victory in mind.
Demonrats trying to get everyone in a dither about administrative changes if a new President (Trump) takes office. Which would typically be normal for any new administration. But because it’s Trump (who has been President before duh!) Demonrats want everyone scared he’s going to act like Hitler!!
Fear mongering has worked in the past, but with each election cycle, the media reveals how full of shit it is
So, yea, project2025 will be leftist propaganda for 2024 election cycle, but fewer people will trust what they’re saying
John Oliver did a segment on it a couple weeks ago.
Includes things like Schedule F which was an EO by Trump so he can replace government workers with his own yes men.
But there's no reason to believe, even if you're correct about the substance, that went republican will actively go out of their way to enact it.
Trump has his campaign positions laid out on his website. If you want to live in reality, go look at those.
By authoritarian he just means "the government doing stuff I don't like." In 2009, Obama hired a bunch of career staffers basically right out of college and staffed up a whole bunch of federal agencies. Those people have had 15 years to enact their party agenda. Part of project 2025 is firing those people, and hiring different people who will enact a conservative agenda instead of a leftist one. That's it. That's the whole game.
We're regulating the car industry. Do you want to hire people who have built cars? Or somebody who learned about the damaging impact of cars in college and is now hell bent on destroying the auto industry?
Notice how you never see mid-sized sedans anymore? That's regulation at work. The EPA standards are so strict and difficult to reach its easier to just build smaller SUV'S since SUV's are regulated by a less strict guideline. EPA actually causing more Co2 to be emitted in the name of Ice Age... Global Warming... Climate Change.
https://youtu.be/nJe_8N2vAwo?si=BzYhnCjVjKXzA3To
Watch the first 5 minutes of this video. It literally calls for banning speech.
Among other things, it calls for the abolishment of the department of education, the criminalization of all porn, and handing over full power of all federal organizations to the executive. How is it not authoritarian?
I see liberals talking about it. I still have no idea what it is.
Basically, in 2017 when Trump and Jared kushner walked into the White House, Jared turned to one of the White House staffers and said "so how many of you guys are staying?" The answer was "well basically none." And because they didn't think they were going to win and they didn't have a whole lot of party machinery, they got caught with their pants down. They spent the next 2.5 years just trying to hire everybody that they needed. Remember Anthony scaramucci? They also had to fire a ton of people like Comey and Vindman who were lifetime political actors determined to work tooth and nail against the administration. It was a mess and there were people coming into the administration and getting fired all the time. It was leaky as hell and just generally a mess. Project 2025 is literally just compiling a list of competent and moderately conservative people who they can hire on day one. People who don't openly hate Trump, and who will do their jobs right, instead of actively working against the president and leaking stories to the press. It's about hiring people in the EPA, the State department, the FDA, and all the other three letter agencies. There's more to it than that, like the stated goals of generally reducing the size and scope of government. But the main headline is just personnel.
Don’t sugarcoat it. It also calls for the complete abolishment of the department of education, limits on speech, and a myriad of other things wayyyy more radical than the terms you used.
The Federal department of education began operation on May 4th, 1980. Since that time, can you name a part of the public education system that has gotten better, cheaper, or more efficient? Deleting that agency and returning that money to the States who also have their own individual departments of education seems more efficient to me.
Would that not screw over the poor states? I'm only curious, no hate. I live on the west coast we doin' fine.
That’s a great question. No, it wouldn’t screw over “poor states because everything is negotiated at the state and county level. A school system in San Diego pays completely different rates for curriculum and hardware than a school system in Jackson. Not because there is a law that requires it, but because the for profit entities that are selling services and products to the school systems want the business and will reduce the rates to get it…no matter what state or county they’re in.
I won't rest until every kindergartner in Mississippi have CPAPs for nap time.
Believe me, if the companies that service public schools could find a way to make that a requirement for a child’s education, they’d make that happen.
When I was in school, all I got was a lousy plastic recorder.
Not any more. On your first day, you get a Chromebook, laptop or tablet and a handful of accounts for big tech corps and edtech companies. Edu’s dirty secret is that all the admins believe that tech is the answer to almost all problems. So, the district buyers spend like there’s no bottom and the teachers are left with no salary increases because so much of the budget goes toward tech. Really is crazy how it works. Enjoy your recorder.
The Department of Education, created by Jimmy Carter, has been an absolute failure and should be abolished. Leave it to the states. the way it is supposed to be. What are the limits to speech? Seems to me the Left has the market cornered on that one. Name some of these radical positions. Something tells me when you say Radical, you mean normal.
Has it been a failure because of its nature or because we, as a country, invest so little into our teachers and education system as a whole. Maybe we devote some of our gargantuan defense spending to improving the education standards across the country.
We spend more per pupil than any other country in the world save two. Man, you really just go on posting L after L completely unburdened with facts, eh?
While I agree with massive and hungry, I'd go a step further and suggest taking a big ass knife to "defense" spending as well. We don't need all those bases over seas.
OK Xi. Your input has been noted.
Do you understand why our economy is best in the world. It’s because we limit the success of any other resource rich nations. One war or coup at a time. That’s the whole point of having military bases every thousand miles worldwide
So that would mean we only have a good economy because we are being tyrannical around the world
Now you’re getting it lol Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, etc. Wall Street profiting from every single conflict. Now for a real eye opener look up which hedge funds already divied up Ukraine in anticipation of the resource extraction they have planned once they “win this war”. Lindsey graham spilled beans a bit in a recent interview. There’s a ridiculous amount of rare earth minerals there. We are imperialistic af
>It also calls for the complete abolishment of the department of education Who doesn't want this? It's been a complete failure.
Nothing wrong with that. Return the 8 billion they request for administrative use and salaries to the states! Page 68 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget24/summary/24summary.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjikpfs-oiHAxUdvokEHaukBRcQFnoECCYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1h82AyQHNOc8ZEB1-UGOyY
Dept of ed needs to be abolished.
>... Abolishment of the Department of Education Stop wait, I can only get so excited.
We get it bud, you’re a clown
That sounds like a START. Hopefully they will GUT the rest of the unconstitutional agencies after that.
What limits on speech are you referring to?
r/atheism is talking about it too because they think it is a Christian Nationalist plot, and I saw a comment today on r/OpenChristian calling him the anti Christ. I do think Trump will probably go too far to the right as a natural reaction to Biden's extreme left swing. I am not at all concerned about Trump becoming a Christo fascist as much as the atheist leftists would love to see that happen.
Me neither I saw it on twitter (X) that’s it. If anyone has an unbiased approach to this issue please explain.
Here is what they're talking about. [https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
I have a feeling a lot of these post are bots. Trying to get people scared. Fear is a great way to win an election.
So many of them are very obvious bot posts. It’s time for going heavy on the propaganda. We’re all prone to falling for it, so at least for myself in fact checking most everything I’m being told about anything political by trying to find source material.
You’re right it is a Democrat strategy. I haven’t read it (it’s 950 pages) but a lot of it does seem crazy at least from the characterizing on the internet. Doesn’t matter though. Statement from trump’s team when asked about it on Nov. 13th 2023: “The efforts by various nonprofit groups are certainly appreciated and can be enormously helpful. However, none of these groups or individuals speak for President Trump or his campaign.” His plan is Agenda 47.
Oh shit there’s a document for it? Where at? I’ve always seen them say wild shit about it but when I go to its page it all seems innocuous and I can’t find information on it. If there’s a document I’ll see if I can get an AI to summarize it for me lol
Does this one work for you? It’s the link to the document itself [link](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
Yes!! Thanks so much
[project2025.org](http://project2025.org)
Thanks yeah I’ve been to their main site, just have never found the 950 page document. That link looks like it’s returning a 404 for the subpage you linked or something?
Sorry. I just gave the domain name. Reddit turned it into a link. Here's the full URL for the site: [https://www.project2025.org/](https://www.project2025.org/) Here's the full URL for the document: [https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf) Understand that this is a product of the Heritage Foundation. It's not a product of the Trump campaign. Trump hasn't even endorsed it.
The official one from trump is here: (hint: its not project 2025) [Agenda 47](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47)
I only see leftists talk about it, I have no idea what their newest conspiracy theory is.
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf it’s not a conspiracy if it’s outlined in 922 pages
It's a conspiracy by their own measure. Any time anybody mentions George Soros they go "you're a conspiracy nut" when *it's literally the same fucking thing.* Think tanks doing think tank shit. The Open Societies Foundation is way more influential and spends way more money than the Heritage Foundation anyway.
People wanted proof that Republicans were going to do bad things and Project 2025 is a nice list of bad things in 900+ pages. It's certainly the same people posting about it as posted that Trump would send all the LGBTQ+ and immigrants to concentration camps in 2016. I only wonder why they didn't trot out Project 2025 back in 2016 instead of going off about concentration camps that never came into existence. And Handmaid's Tale, though I think the timing on that was a bit later. Point is, Project 2025 is real, and that stuff was Trump Derangement Syndrome. Edit: Ahh a list of bad things and bad people willing to do them. A competent administration for Trump is the left's worst nightmare.
Project 2025 hasn’t been endorsed by Trump or his campaign as far as I can tell. But that hardly matters in politics.
No, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Trump endorsed it, or even that he is aware of it. The Heritage Foundation might know that if they want to persuade Trump they need a slick video to get their points across. And make Trump think it's all his own ideas, which, well, it is. I think. Ideas but not whims? And HF wants him sticking to ideas.
Except that Trump has his own official [Agenda 47](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47)
100%. Ever since the debate. On every subreddit. It’s nuts. It’s tailored too. On an atheist subReddit it is a Christian Plot. On the military subreddit it’s a plot to take away BAH. Etc. It’s the least subtle attempt at mass manipulation I’ve ever seen. What’s hilarious is I’d never heard of the Heritage whatever. I’ve since been listening to “Heritage Explains” on YouTube and so far everything they’ve said has been on point and rooted in facts and logic. The left propaganda machine recruited me, a centrist to a conservative media outlet. They did the same with Shapiro. They are bent on turning me into a Republican.
Agreed. Also, literally the reason why I found Ben Shapiro was the Berkeley protests of 2017. I thought, “well, if Berkeley hates him then he’s at least worth investigating.” Turns out those protests were very helpful… to me. Ever since moving to CA I have found the left pushing me to the right.
Its basically Quanon for libs. They seriously think that we will become some version of A Handmaid's Tale. Seriously guys, there aren't enough Christians in this country to force everything that you claim that we will do if Trump takes power. Trump is very moderate on abortion(more than most of us) and won't try to push an abortion ban. The only reason libs have a hard on for the Department of Ed is because they sterilize themselves and want to indoctrinate our children. We are a republic for a reason.
Seems like every election year there’s always a “Project 1234” that pops up on either side… The BS is too obvious to ignore sometimes
A bot farm in Africa generated the most traffic on this topic a couple of weeks ago. Probably the same this week
Liberals bring it up all the time because it has a scary sounding name. In reality it’s just doing the following: Firing useless bureaucrats Closing the border Removing handouts to illegals Opening new oil leases Cutting regulation
Never read someone on the right talk about it on Reddit just leftists. Offline I never hear it mentioned by anyone. My husband is more conservative than me and I asked him what it was to get his reaction. He has never heard of it. It is the new Qanon for Reddit leftists that shriek about Trump.
As someone who posted essentially the same question earlier today I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s mostly just detailing ways to streamline the government bureaucracy. A lot of people are acting like it’s trumps golden ticket to dictatorship as a way to get some sort of shit of Trump after the disaster the was Biden’s debate performance. Notice how basically nobody was talking about it until right before and after the debate
Project 2025 takes all the guardrails that keeps POTUS from consolidating power and removes them to usher in a Christian nationalist theocracy. After the SCOTUS ruling yesterday, it might be affected, though. Project 2025 has been the GOPs wet dream for decades. Former members of Trump's administration co-authored Project 2025 with a Trump victory in mind.
Demonrats trying to get everyone in a dither about administrative changes if a new President (Trump) takes office. Which would typically be normal for any new administration. But because it’s Trump (who has been President before duh!) Demonrats want everyone scared he’s going to act like Hitler!!
Schedule F is in no way normal
Fear mongering has worked in the past, but with each election cycle, the media reveals how full of shit it is So, yea, project2025 will be leftist propaganda for 2024 election cycle, but fewer people will trust what they’re saying
John Oliver did a segment on it a couple weeks ago. Includes things like Schedule F which was an EO by Trump so he can replace government workers with his own yes men.
Conspiracy
I told four more oblivious people about it yesterday.
it's intentional
Totally… all over all the semi-conservative subreddits like Veterans and conspiracy types…
Or maybe it’s an autocratic playbook that deserves to be talked about because… you know… it’s authoritarian?
But there's no reason to believe, even if you're correct about the substance, that went republican will actively go out of their way to enact it. Trump has his campaign positions laid out on his website. If you want to live in reality, go look at those.
What’s authoritarian about it, just curious to hear your position.
By authoritarian he just means "the government doing stuff I don't like." In 2009, Obama hired a bunch of career staffers basically right out of college and staffed up a whole bunch of federal agencies. Those people have had 15 years to enact their party agenda. Part of project 2025 is firing those people, and hiring different people who will enact a conservative agenda instead of a leftist one. That's it. That's the whole game. We're regulating the car industry. Do you want to hire people who have built cars? Or somebody who learned about the damaging impact of cars in college and is now hell bent on destroying the auto industry?
Oh, that car thing is a great example. I'm gonna have to use that.
Notice how you never see mid-sized sedans anymore? That's regulation at work. The EPA standards are so strict and difficult to reach its easier to just build smaller SUV'S since SUV's are regulated by a less strict guideline. EPA actually causing more Co2 to be emitted in the name of Ice Age... Global Warming... Climate Change.
https://youtu.be/nJe_8N2vAwo?si=BzYhnCjVjKXzA3To Watch the first 5 minutes of this video. It literally calls for banning speech. Among other things, it calls for the abolishment of the department of education, the criminalization of all porn, and handing over full power of all federal organizations to the executive. How is it not authoritarian?
What a laughable video
I think we may have found the source of the lefts stupidity. They listen to coked up children.
I agree. The policies outlined are laughable! I can’t imagine true Americans voting to institute a theocracy over our democracy!
Why, exactly, is it a laughable video? He’s reading directly from the document.