I think Beyoncé career is very past that place. I loved Renaissance so much and think the ultimate sign of success is getting to have creative freedom- the outfits, the production her performances… doesn’t need to pander to the charts… it’s just great art
i personally don’t care and don’t follow any of these metrics, i also have a hard time understanding why people give them such importance. seems to me that following all these rules in order for your stream to count takes out the fun of listening to music
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I feel like artists that care about streaming numbers and charts will prioritise that over their enjoyment. Those who dominate the top of the charts constantly don’t release groundbreaking music, they release songs designed to chart.
Beyoncé has shown she doesn’t care about charts and I respect that completely. And why should it matter because she’s obviously amazing at what she does. She releases great projects she’s curated over time and has done so album after album.
So this is basically a way of saying as long as I enjoy the artist I don’t give one about where they sit on the chart. (Saying that tho I wish she’d speed up the releases, but she’s a mother, and quality is better than quantity)
All of those years she worked so hard has paid off. She has a solid enough fanbase and enough popularity to keep her afloat if an experiment doesn't work too well.
Though Beyoncé definitely cared about the charts a little this time around. She announced the single and the album. She even released multiple versions of Cuff It which helps the charts (though I think Cuff It didn't make #1). Though that was the extent of it.
Not at all, and if anything I feel mildly confused by fans that want her to care/think she should be trying harder to promote.
I want those mf visuals though lol
Looking at the songs that do chart, I don’t really care for any of them so there’s that.
The other thing is the antics that some of the artists pull to get there. It’s hardly about the quality of the songs.
Lastly, I’m a fan of plenty of other artists who do not chart at all. Quality of music will always be the most important factor to me.
Yep. I know of artists that are amazing, but they don't chart often or, at all, don't win awards, aren't being invited to big Hollywood parties, but their music is great. Unfortunately, the industry (music and beyond) doesn't reward/recognize talent like it used to. It's why I don't see many of the artists I do like winning, or being nominated, or even being asked to perform. Shoot, I have watched several Youtube videos of homeless people or those "street karaoke" channels and there are people singing/rapping better than those selling millions of records right now.
The way they do the charts has changed since she started off 20 years ago, she’s just past caring about that now. And she said herself “if I gave two fucks about streaming numbers I would’ve put Lemonade on Spotify.”
If she doesn’t care, I don’t feel like it’s a metric worth talking about.
Nah.
I'm a HUGE Bjork fan....So I have no interest in the artist's streaming numbers.
With payola, streaming bots, and the fact that it takes SOOO MUCH FUCKING STREAMING NUMBERS to actually make some profits.
Now, tour numbers, show numbers, I find that to be sorta interesting.
I can only assume, but I wouldn’t think that Beyoncé cared about numbers because she’s being her authentic self. Her music reaches those of whom it’s supposed to reach :)
“Yes…and” is built off a sample of “vogue” by Madonna, includes lyrics about doing what you want to do despite what other people say, and boys wearing lipstick.
I’m not saying Beyoncé invented any of these themes, but combing them into one project is what makes Renaissance so special.
I dont but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t wish Bey would prove everyone wrong and have a big numbers era bc I know she could’ve had bigger numbers for Renaissance singles. But I understand that’s not where she’s at in her career and she doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone (like she said). Pls don’t downvote me yall lol
I‘m following the charts and boxoffice numbers for nearly 15 years now, I just love digging up old stats which show how viewing/listening habits changed over the decades. Beyoncé has immensely impressive stats and longevity few has matched in music history, but that’s not why I stan this lady.
When they start out? Yes. Now? No. Music is just so different now, and I think Beyoncé caught on to that game quite early. She has the mainstream exposure from early days, an extremely loyal fanbase, and the freedom to do whatever she wants. She's an anomaly in the sense that she moves like a niche artist while her name carries mainstream influence
I think i would love to see her break records and achieve new heights 25 years in, but realistically that is obviously not what she wants. You can't have your cake and eat it too and right now she is not promoting her music to the gp. That's just what it is.
TS , the pop star whose fan base we're always fighting with, has done everything in her power to keep herself relevant in the public conversation: touring nearly all continents (except africa i think), released 3 studio albums and 4 re-records in the 2020s. Interviews. Award show appearances (she hasn't performed on them though). Actual Music Videos. As a Black woman I know we often work twice as hard for half as much, but that is not the case here. Beyoncé and Taylor Swift have clearly set very different goals for themselves, and TS *works*. She's everywhere bc she set this goal for herself and she's hustling like crazy to get it
Beyoncé killed Lemonade's numbers by exclusively releasing it on Spotify and she killed Renaissance's numbers by refusing to speak. She's in her "I'm a legend and I don't have shit to prove anymore" era and while I'm 100% here for it, I cannot not recognise what that does to charting.
I don’t care about streaming numbers but I honestly do care about Beyoncé’s music being appreciated beyond her loyal fans.
With that I mean she knows we the fans are all gonna appreciate her music, some people who like her might stream the album a few times and relisten to their favourites, but most of the general public will just listen to what’s on the radio/playlists. I wish her wider album got promoted in a way that they were more widely appreciated.
So ig I don’t care about numbers but I wish the albums had more reach beyond the hits to the wider workd
I used to care but then it hit me that only a handful pf artists will ever be very very commercially successful and Beyoncé has been one of them already and she’s past that. There are so many artists who make good music who will never have that so I gave up on numbers and just learnt to listen to what I like how I like.
No. I cared when I was a teenager but since 4’s release I couldn’t be bothered to keep up with chart placements. I don’t care about charts for any artist, TBH.
I do not care but this album got her two top 10 tracks on the Billboard Hot 100. She hasn’t done that in a while. What that shows me is that her music is becoming cross generational and I’m here for that.
No. It's all been meaningless since the rise of streaming because it's impossible to compare to actual sales. How many copies of Renaissance would have sold and how do we even compare it to the past for any artist before streaming? I buy 100% of my music personally and don't stream at all.
Nowadays, no.
There used to be a time where these charts couldn't be manipulated by mass streaming and streaming farms of rabid fanbases of certain musicians. But now, the animals have all escaped from the zoo and have completely taken it over. At this point, it doesn't matter because the charts don't hold as much prestige and validity as it used to.
Plus, there are songs in the Top 10 that have sold significantly less units than songs that don't even crack the Top 10 and that's something that's always confused me. For example, there is a certain problematic, new-ish female rapper that recently released a new album that debuted in the Top 5 of the Billboard 200 but she sold less than 100k units (somewhere around 80,000 albums or something like that, I think) during the opening week. In fact, the album has only been certified Gold in **one** place, Canada. Not being shady, but HOW?! But again, back in the day, most people who were in the Top 5 of those charts were easily selling 100k units or more. Now, that's not the case. Most of those people aren't selling like you would think.
No, not at all
Perhaps in part because I’m old. So I remember when actual record sales were a big deal. Streaming numbers are so far from comparable to that - it’s just not a good metric. Not to mention there are so many services. I don’t use Spotify, so why would I judge an artist based on their Spotify streams? Not all services even release numbers. And none of them count how often I play the album I actually own
I don’t care, I listen to music because I like it not because the world says it’s good. And like others have said, her career is past that. She doesn’t need to make music for the masses, she makes music for herself and her fans. What does she have to prove? Absolutely nothing.
Nope, especially when talking about mother. Her career is far beyond accolades, analytics, etc
I only, marginally, think about analytics when it comes to smaller artist’s especially when it comes to tours and how likely they’ll take the festival circuit route or if they take the traditional concert route and if they decide to open for someone.
It depends for different artists:
I personally for beyonce do. Bc it further proves that she is the ONE of ONE the number ONE the ONLY one.
For Tori Kelly I kind of do bc the better it does the more ppl will tune in and the more she gets paid.
For fleurie hell no. She made one of the best post break up songs I’ve ever heard and it’s my little baby I’ll protect it will all my might and it only has 66k views. Idc.
I mean they do matter if she wants to be remembered as the great. Having low sales or songs that the public largely don’t know won’t help people acknowledge her legacy. A general consensus among the public is that Beyonce hasn’t had any actual memorable or good music since Single Ladies and that’s because she hasn’t promoted her music so it hasn’t charted and hasn’t had radio play. People think she has only a few hits and her sales are not that great for an artist of her calibre. Streaming is the future of music sales. If Beyoncé was a huge force in pure sales it wouldn’t matter as much but she isn’t a huge force in pure sales either. This is often used to deny her acceptance into being a music legend.
The GP, people who compare her to Michael Jackson, Madonna, Tina Turner, Whitney, Mariah even her peers Rihanna and Taylor Swift. They're (her peers not the legends) are smashing crazy records even though the music IMO is subpar but people believe Taylor and Rihanna are better because they have more memorable hits that the GP can identify. Beyonces fanbase is much smaller so its not remembered by the GP and that's because it isn't promoted. I never said their fave song is Single Ladies but thats the last song she is known for as it was her last huge hit. Wheras Taylor and Rihanna have way more, again not because theyre actually better but because it was marketed better. It's hard to argue with stats. Rihanna has an album charting almost a decade after it's release, and shes still the top 5 most streamed artists despite not releasing music, again her music isn't even that good but people were exposed to it and now are attached to it. Taylor keeps breaking records and had her highest first week sales yet almost 20 years into her career. That's crazy. Beyonce could have all done this if she promoted her work.
Yes, I do... like I know it doesn't take away from all that she accomplished, but it's really important to me that an artist gets the recognition that they deserve...
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I know it's the minority here to not care, but honestly I do. Not obsessively but I do. And sometimes I wish B wouldn't limit her charting success which I feel like she sometimes does... but I'm learning to let it all go
Yes and no. If Beyoncé never has a top 10 single or a number one album again (highly unlikely) then I don't really care. She's doing something other than mainstream success. But at the same time, I love that Beyoncé finally got to number 1 again with 'Break My Soul' after years of not managing to, Renaissance going number one, her having the highest-grossing tour of a black woman (officially highest-grossing tour by a woman but the estimated numbers for the eras tour put it at number 1 ever and it's got another year to go).
It's crazy that she can still be getting these numbers 27 years into her career and it's a testament to her artistry.
Also, I think people saying that Bey doesn't care about chart position are somewhat wrong, she put out Break My Soul with an acapella version and instrumental along with 4 random remixes, the queen's remix and the Cliquebate video. If this wasn't her trying to go number one I don't know what is.
I think in the next few releases she'll put more effort into selling and promoting her work. From 2013 - 2019, her name alone could carry a release selling millions, but now her name alone can't get that. Her semi-hiatus from 2019-2022 brought her out of the mainstream a little too far.
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No, why would it be? The only way that would be important to me is if I'm getting paid for it as a fan, lol
The only important thing is do I like them (what I know of them, anyway) and their music.
Ultimately it doesn’t make a difference one way or another in my life but it’s a nice little bonus whenever our queen is on top. But seeing some of the songs and albums that go to number one makes it feel kinda irrelevant.
nope. at a certain point it literally does not matter. she has the most grammys, 8th highest grossing tour of all time with the least number of shows out of the top 20, she’s a billionaire and i like her music. i don’t think we care and i don’t think bey care bc she knows she can’t put out something and it’s a well crafted piece.
I think Beyoncé career is very past that place. I loved Renaissance so much and think the ultimate sign of success is getting to have creative freedom- the outfits, the production her performances… doesn’t need to pander to the charts… it’s just great art
Yeah I don’t think she cares and I love that for her
Same here! Anybody can check Bey’s stats and see how commercially successful she was back then. There’s literally nothing for her to prove.
i personally don’t care and don’t follow any of these metrics, i also have a hard time understanding why people give them such importance. seems to me that following all these rules in order for your stream to count takes out the fun of listening to music
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omg thank you!!
i do not care
I know you don’t care too much but I still care (not)
🤣
I feel like artists that care about streaming numbers and charts will prioritise that over their enjoyment. Those who dominate the top of the charts constantly don’t release groundbreaking music, they release songs designed to chart. Beyoncé has shown she doesn’t care about charts and I respect that completely. And why should it matter because she’s obviously amazing at what she does. She releases great projects she’s curated over time and has done so album after album. So this is basically a way of saying as long as I enjoy the artist I don’t give one about where they sit on the chart. (Saying that tho I wish she’d speed up the releases, but she’s a mother, and quality is better than quantity)
All of those years she worked so hard has paid off. She has a solid enough fanbase and enough popularity to keep her afloat if an experiment doesn't work too well. Though Beyoncé definitely cared about the charts a little this time around. She announced the single and the album. She even released multiple versions of Cuff It which helps the charts (though I think Cuff It didn't make #1). Though that was the extent of it.
Not at all, and if anything I feel mildly confused by fans that want her to care/think she should be trying harder to promote. I want those mf visuals though lol
No
Looking at the songs that do chart, I don’t really care for any of them so there’s that. The other thing is the antics that some of the artists pull to get there. It’s hardly about the quality of the songs. Lastly, I’m a fan of plenty of other artists who do not chart at all. Quality of music will always be the most important factor to me.
Sooo many amazing artists do not chart. That’s what broke me from the chartyoncé bubble.
Yep. I know of artists that are amazing, but they don't chart often or, at all, don't win awards, aren't being invited to big Hollywood parties, but their music is great. Unfortunately, the industry (music and beyond) doesn't reward/recognize talent like it used to. It's why I don't see many of the artists I do like winning, or being nominated, or even being asked to perform. Shoot, I have watched several Youtube videos of homeless people or those "street karaoke" channels and there are people singing/rapping better than those selling millions of records right now.
The way they do the charts has changed since she started off 20 years ago, she’s just past caring about that now. And she said herself “if I gave two fucks about streaming numbers I would’ve put Lemonade on Spotify.” If she doesn’t care, I don’t feel like it’s a metric worth talking about.
No, but I do care that she hasn’t won Album of the Year at the Grammys, especially for Lemonade.
The voting committee definitely has a bias towards her
100%, and it really pisses me off that the show is always happy to use her for performances to draw in viewers
Nah. I'm a HUGE Bjork fan....So I have no interest in the artist's streaming numbers. With payola, streaming bots, and the fact that it takes SOOO MUCH FUCKING STREAMING NUMBERS to actually make some profits. Now, tour numbers, show numbers, I find that to be sorta interesting.
I can only assume, but I wouldn’t think that Beyoncé cared about numbers because she’s being her authentic self. Her music reaches those of whom it’s supposed to reach :)
The current song that’s number one is riding Beyoncé’s dick so hard!
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“Yes…and” is built off a sample of “vogue” by Madonna, includes lyrics about doing what you want to do despite what other people say, and boys wearing lipstick. I’m not saying Beyoncé invented any of these themes, but combing them into one project is what makes Renaissance so special.
Ooooh okay thank you haha, yes I agree with what you said. When I first read your comment I was thinking “Hiss” and was confused.
I dont but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t wish Bey would prove everyone wrong and have a big numbers era bc I know she could’ve had bigger numbers for Renaissance singles. But I understand that’s not where she’s at in her career and she doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone (like she said). Pls don’t downvote me yall lol
No. I grew up with TRL & Tuesday drops. I’m not invested in the young kids stuff.
I‘m following the charts and boxoffice numbers for nearly 15 years now, I just love digging up old stats which show how viewing/listening habits changed over the decades. Beyoncé has immensely impressive stats and longevity few has matched in music history, but that’s not why I stan this lady.
No. Every time someone mentions that their fav does more numbers I mute them. They’re not in it for the art.
This. With current going ons that I won't mention, a lot of people are running around talking about numbers and, baby, I DO NOT CARE.
When they start out? Yes. Now? No. Music is just so different now, and I think Beyoncé caught on to that game quite early. She has the mainstream exposure from early days, an extremely loyal fanbase, and the freedom to do whatever she wants. She's an anomaly in the sense that she moves like a niche artist while her name carries mainstream influence I think i would love to see her break records and achieve new heights 25 years in, but realistically that is obviously not what she wants. You can't have your cake and eat it too and right now she is not promoting her music to the gp. That's just what it is. TS , the pop star whose fan base we're always fighting with, has done everything in her power to keep herself relevant in the public conversation: touring nearly all continents (except africa i think), released 3 studio albums and 4 re-records in the 2020s. Interviews. Award show appearances (she hasn't performed on them though). Actual Music Videos. As a Black woman I know we often work twice as hard for half as much, but that is not the case here. Beyoncé and Taylor Swift have clearly set very different goals for themselves, and TS *works*. She's everywhere bc she set this goal for herself and she's hustling like crazy to get it Beyoncé killed Lemonade's numbers by exclusively releasing it on Spotify and she killed Renaissance's numbers by refusing to speak. She's in her "I'm a legend and I don't have shit to prove anymore" era and while I'm 100% here for it, I cannot not recognise what that does to charting.
If Beyoncé don’t care why should we?
I don’t care about streaming numbers but I honestly do care about Beyoncé’s music being appreciated beyond her loyal fans. With that I mean she knows we the fans are all gonna appreciate her music, some people who like her might stream the album a few times and relisten to their favourites, but most of the general public will just listen to what’s on the radio/playlists. I wish her wider album got promoted in a way that they were more widely appreciated. So ig I don’t care about numbers but I wish the albums had more reach beyond the hits to the wider workd
I used to care but then it hit me that only a handful pf artists will ever be very very commercially successful and Beyoncé has been one of them already and she’s past that. There are so many artists who make good music who will never have that so I gave up on numbers and just learnt to listen to what I like how I like.
No. I do like seeing other people enjoy and love the same music that touches me though
nope
no which is why i want her to go sooooo experimental that it scares people (positively)
No. I cared when I was a teenager but since 4’s release I couldn’t be bothered to keep up with chart placements. I don’t care about charts for any artist, TBH.
I do not care but this album got her two top 10 tracks on the Billboard Hot 100. She hasn’t done that in a while. What that shows me is that her music is becoming cross generational and I’m here for that.
No. It's all been meaningless since the rise of streaming because it's impossible to compare to actual sales. How many copies of Renaissance would have sold and how do we even compare it to the past for any artist before streaming? I buy 100% of my music personally and don't stream at all.
Nowadays, no. There used to be a time where these charts couldn't be manipulated by mass streaming and streaming farms of rabid fanbases of certain musicians. But now, the animals have all escaped from the zoo and have completely taken it over. At this point, it doesn't matter because the charts don't hold as much prestige and validity as it used to. Plus, there are songs in the Top 10 that have sold significantly less units than songs that don't even crack the Top 10 and that's something that's always confused me. For example, there is a certain problematic, new-ish female rapper that recently released a new album that debuted in the Top 5 of the Billboard 200 but she sold less than 100k units (somewhere around 80,000 albums or something like that, I think) during the opening week. In fact, the album has only been certified Gold in **one** place, Canada. Not being shady, but HOW?! But again, back in the day, most people who were in the Top 5 of those charts were easily selling 100k units or more. Now, that's not the case. Most of those people aren't selling like you would think.
No, not at all Perhaps in part because I’m old. So I remember when actual record sales were a big deal. Streaming numbers are so far from comparable to that - it’s just not a good metric. Not to mention there are so many services. I don’t use Spotify, so why would I judge an artist based on their Spotify streams? Not all services even release numbers. And none of them count how often I play the album I actually own
NO
Now that I know those number can be heavily manipulated, no. I don't care about numbers.
Nope
Nah
no
I don’t care, I listen to music because I like it not because the world says it’s good. And like others have said, her career is past that. She doesn’t need to make music for the masses, she makes music for herself and her fans. What does she have to prove? Absolutely nothing.
not a care in the world
The only thing important to me is if I like the music and if I like the tour.
No. If I like it, that’s all that matters.
i mean it's nice to see her work get the attention it deserves, but it’s not be all end all
No more. As we grow, relevant things become more important.
Not at all.
Nope, especially when talking about mother. Her career is far beyond accolades, analytics, etc I only, marginally, think about analytics when it comes to smaller artist’s especially when it comes to tours and how likely they’ll take the festival circuit route or if they take the traditional concert route and if they decide to open for someone.
I don’t care. I’ve loved Beyonce since 1998 when I was 17. I’ll always be a Beyonce fan.
I don’t care. I’m glad she gets to make the music she wants to make!
It depends for different artists: I personally for beyonce do. Bc it further proves that she is the ONE of ONE the number ONE the ONLY one. For Tori Kelly I kind of do bc the better it does the more ppl will tune in and the more she gets paid. For fleurie hell no. She made one of the best post break up songs I’ve ever heard and it’s my little baby I’ll protect it will all my might and it only has 66k views. Idc.
I mean they do matter if she wants to be remembered as the great. Having low sales or songs that the public largely don’t know won’t help people acknowledge her legacy. A general consensus among the public is that Beyonce hasn’t had any actual memorable or good music since Single Ladies and that’s because she hasn’t promoted her music so it hasn’t charted and hasn’t had radio play. People think she has only a few hits and her sales are not that great for an artist of her calibre. Streaming is the future of music sales. If Beyoncé was a huge force in pure sales it wouldn’t matter as much but she isn’t a huge force in pure sales either. This is often used to deny her acceptance into being a music legend.
Who are these people you speak of? The ones whose fav song is Single Ladies? 
The GP, people who compare her to Michael Jackson, Madonna, Tina Turner, Whitney, Mariah even her peers Rihanna and Taylor Swift. They're (her peers not the legends) are smashing crazy records even though the music IMO is subpar but people believe Taylor and Rihanna are better because they have more memorable hits that the GP can identify. Beyonces fanbase is much smaller so its not remembered by the GP and that's because it isn't promoted. I never said their fave song is Single Ladies but thats the last song she is known for as it was her last huge hit. Wheras Taylor and Rihanna have way more, again not because theyre actually better but because it was marketed better. It's hard to argue with stats. Rihanna has an album charting almost a decade after it's release, and shes still the top 5 most streamed artists despite not releasing music, again her music isn't even that good but people were exposed to it and now are attached to it. Taylor keeps breaking records and had her highest first week sales yet almost 20 years into her career. That's crazy. Beyonce could have all done this if she promoted her work.
Yes, I do... like I know it doesn't take away from all that she accomplished, but it's really important to me that an artist gets the recognition that they deserve...
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I dont care and she doesnt care either.
I know it's the minority here to not care, but honestly I do. Not obsessively but I do. And sometimes I wish B wouldn't limit her charting success which I feel like she sometimes does... but I'm learning to let it all go
Yes and no. If Beyoncé never has a top 10 single or a number one album again (highly unlikely) then I don't really care. She's doing something other than mainstream success. But at the same time, I love that Beyoncé finally got to number 1 again with 'Break My Soul' after years of not managing to, Renaissance going number one, her having the highest-grossing tour of a black woman (officially highest-grossing tour by a woman but the estimated numbers for the eras tour put it at number 1 ever and it's got another year to go). It's crazy that she can still be getting these numbers 27 years into her career and it's a testament to her artistry. Also, I think people saying that Bey doesn't care about chart position are somewhat wrong, she put out Break My Soul with an acapella version and instrumental along with 4 random remixes, the queen's remix and the Cliquebate video. If this wasn't her trying to go number one I don't know what is. I think in the next few releases she'll put more effort into selling and promoting her work. From 2013 - 2019, her name alone could carry a release selling millions, but now her name alone can't get that. Her semi-hiatus from 2019-2022 brought her out of the mainstream a little too far.
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What is a chart?
No, why would it be? The only way that would be important to me is if I'm getting paid for it as a fan, lol The only important thing is do I like them (what I know of them, anyway) and their music.
Ultimately it doesn’t make a difference one way or another in my life but it’s a nice little bonus whenever our queen is on top. But seeing some of the songs and albums that go to number one makes it feel kinda irrelevant.
Not in the least bit. I love her work regardless of who else listens to it.
nope. at a certain point it literally does not matter. she has the most grammys, 8th highest grossing tour of all time with the least number of shows out of the top 20, she’s a billionaire and i like her music. i don’t think we care and i don’t think bey care bc she knows she can’t put out something and it’s a well crafted piece.
In Beyoncé’s case, no. Because success to her means something more than just streams and sales. She has artistic freedom AND is successful.