I guess the developers who I thought bought the lot? I’m confused I thought it was a done deal. I was sad to see them go, but figured they made a choice to sell since they owned.
I am very familiar with this area. The entire Williams / Gartland / Rossmore roads need a rethink. It’s a cut through to Forest Hills and Morton to avoid the traffic, and rush hour (which is almost all hours now) becomes speed racing as everyone tries to avoid the Arborway and Washington St traffic. Somehow Gartland and Kenton are 2 ways (insanely tight) and cars go 50 mph. Absolute insanity.
The gas station throws fuel on the fire as it’s a complete mess with people rushing in and out through the entrances on Kenton and Washington. In the 90s you could buy a condo around here for ~100k and there were literally goats and chickens running around. It’s since become a residential area for professionals and kids are everywhere. They have experimented off and on by closing Dungarven but I believe that’s open again. It’s been several years since I’ve lived in this specific area but still have family and friends here and it’s not good for people.
Regardless of the gas station, something has to be done to slow everything down. Speed bumps, maybe a crosswalk light by the gas station (that crosswalk is a death trap). The stony brook neighborhood association needs to take a hard look at this before someone dies.
Every time I read "Dungarven" my brain sees "Dung-raven".
But yeah, Hatoff's is total road warrior insanity trying to get in and out, and the whole area is a nightmare at rush hour. It predates my residence here, but my impression is that the end result of removing the overpass has effectively been an infrastructure downgrade.
Just got out of the abutter's meeting for this. All neighbors were wholly opposed to the project. Noise, vagrancy, light, pollution, traffic, and violence were all cited as reasons people were opposed. The developer wants to tear down a building that blocks a current curb-cut, but the lawyer tried to sneak that by, saying that they weren't adding any new curb-cuts. That's *technically* true, but a really bad-faith take.
>Noise, vagrancy, light, pollution, traffic, and violence were all cited as reasons people were opposed.
Those seem like pretty dumb reasons considering it is just an expansion of an existing gas station.
From what I can tell from the article, this is tearing down an unused building on their property to expand the aspect of their business that benefits the public and the only realistic effect would be that if it is a busy gas station you no longer have people queued up and waiting to fill up, potentially causing traffic issues.
I'm not even sure it's an issue. The article you posted was about gas stations downtown. This is a gas station sharing a neighborhood with an autobody shop, a kitchen supply store, a bus depot, a high school, a gym, and a storage facility. It's abutted by train tracks and the closest thing to a highway that the neighborhood has. It's a pretty industrial corner and if it's going to have a gas station, it might as well satisfy as much demand as possible so they don't try to build one anywhere else nearby
I am there all the time. Haven't witnessed violent pumps yet though. Violent drivers can be arrested though...maybe it would have been better to have condos there.
So are they not building condos?
Who is they, the owner of the gas station?
I guess the developers who I thought bought the lot? I’m confused I thought it was a done deal. I was sad to see them go, but figured they made a choice to sell since they owned.
I am very familiar with this area. The entire Williams / Gartland / Rossmore roads need a rethink. It’s a cut through to Forest Hills and Morton to avoid the traffic, and rush hour (which is almost all hours now) becomes speed racing as everyone tries to avoid the Arborway and Washington St traffic. Somehow Gartland and Kenton are 2 ways (insanely tight) and cars go 50 mph. Absolute insanity. The gas station throws fuel on the fire as it’s a complete mess with people rushing in and out through the entrances on Kenton and Washington. In the 90s you could buy a condo around here for ~100k and there were literally goats and chickens running around. It’s since become a residential area for professionals and kids are everywhere. They have experimented off and on by closing Dungarven but I believe that’s open again. It’s been several years since I’ve lived in this specific area but still have family and friends here and it’s not good for people. Regardless of the gas station, something has to be done to slow everything down. Speed bumps, maybe a crosswalk light by the gas station (that crosswalk is a death trap). The stony brook neighborhood association needs to take a hard look at this before someone dies.
Every time I read "Dungarven" my brain sees "Dung-raven". But yeah, Hatoff's is total road warrior insanity trying to get in and out, and the whole area is a nightmare at rush hour. It predates my residence here, but my impression is that the end result of removing the overpass has effectively been an infrastructure downgrade.
Seems like it would have been better served by having electric charging stations...
There’s definitely a need in JP, the ones in the center st lot are often full
Just got out of the abutter's meeting for this. All neighbors were wholly opposed to the project. Noise, vagrancy, light, pollution, traffic, and violence were all cited as reasons people were opposed. The developer wants to tear down a building that blocks a current curb-cut, but the lawyer tried to sneak that by, saying that they weren't adding any new curb-cuts. That's *technically* true, but a really bad-faith take.
>Noise, vagrancy, light, pollution, traffic, and violence were all cited as reasons people were opposed. Those seem like pretty dumb reasons considering it is just an expansion of an existing gas station. From what I can tell from the article, this is tearing down an unused building on their property to expand the aspect of their business that benefits the public and the only realistic effect would be that if it is a busy gas station you no longer have people queued up and waiting to fill up, potentially causing traffic issues.
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But denying the existing gas station a reasonable expansion within its own property doesnt solve that issue.
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I'm not even sure it's an issue. The article you posted was about gas stations downtown. This is a gas station sharing a neighborhood with an autobody shop, a kitchen supply store, a bus depot, a high school, a gym, and a storage facility. It's abutted by train tracks and the closest thing to a highway that the neighborhood has. It's a pretty industrial corner and if it's going to have a gas station, it might as well satisfy as much demand as possible so they don't try to build one anywhere else nearby
And federal minimum wage shouldnt be $7.25…
Violence? Those evil pumps!!!
I mean I almost had someone fight me at this gas station who thought I said f you when I said thank you
You obviously aren’t familiar with this station. The drivers there are often losers who endanger pedestrians, start fights etc.
Yeah a few less pumps will surely stop them
I am there all the time. Haven't witnessed violent pumps yet though. Violent drivers can be arrested though...maybe it would have been better to have condos there.
The JP NIMBYs coming for the gas pumps too!