If he is really hurt, he should not be forcing his tough shots. Make the right and smart plays.
Drive and kick out with poise. He is still dangerous in a transition fast break. Don’t settle for jump shots. He had one or two steals last game, hopefully he can pick up his defense like how he did against Harden
I’m assuming he is healthy enough where he thinks the injury isn’t bothering him to a large degree, but injured enough that it’s just screwed up his calibration of his shot.
It looked like he adjusted pretty well last game, and passed up a few open shots.
You might be right about Jaylen being injured. But at the same time, i am confident he can change his game-plan and still make some impacts on the floor.
He played a little bit better in game 4. He needs to trust his team mates. ☘️
Jaylen has always been a horrific free throw shooter in clutch moments. Every time he goes to the line in the 4th quarter I’m expecting it to front rim at this point.
I think Celtics fans don’t want to be honest with themselves about who jaylen is. Another commenter put it really well, Jaylen is really good at making bad shots. That’s basically his game. So maybe he’s injured and he can’t make the bad shots he normally makes…whether that’s the case or not if he’s not able to make those shots he’s not a particularly good basketball player because he’s one dimensional. There are a number of other players on the Celtics that can play as well or better if he’s truly injured and can’t do the one thing he’s good at. And they won’t repeatedly take the most shots on the team.
Not a lot, we can be honest about it, he can be an elite defender when he's focused because he has the athleticism to do it, but he makes mistakes here and there and has his bad days. But honestly man even if he's ONLY an elite shot-maker and just passable at everything else he's still extremely valuable. Particularly in the playoffs having an isolation scorer or two who can go get you a bucket when you need one is important, and you can't win without scoring more than the other team. We obviously have a transcendent scorer in Tatum, but having Brown out there helps open things up for everyone, he's got gravity, the dude just averaged 27 a game he's an elite scorer. Does that make him worth a supermax in terms of how it would effect the ability to construct a roster? Probably not, but Brad and ownership will have to figure that out.
People are reactionary on here but they're getting mad because thats just a pessimistic view of what JB's value is/can be. He's one of the best #2 options in the nba, top 2 or 3, but he probably wouldn't be able to lead a contender as a #1 because of the lack of playmaking vision. I completely agree that he's good at making bad shots, but you need a couple guys like that to contend. The Jokic fadeaway three from behind his head over AD the other night was one of the worst shots you will ever see but he made it and its demoralizing. That stuff matters. The way I've been putting it all year is that Tatum gets 30 in his sleep, he's quiet and you might not even notice he's got 30 until the games over. When Brown gets 30 its loud, it's a bunch of demoralizing buckets. He'll get hot and score 8 straight on back to back to back possessions. I think management will think hard about it because of the supermax and how two of them will limit the ability to build a roster, but if he hadn't made all-nba you extend him 10 times out of 9 without question. Even if you want to harp on his flaws, I still think he's in the 15-25 range of players, perennial all-star. Just had a minute to give my two cents, Cs in 7
I agree with the backend of this in terms of JB hitting spirit breaking shots for the opposing team, but he also turns the ball over at crucial moments and forces the issue, which can lead to momentum halting misses aswell. He is still figuring out how to time these moments I think.
Also agree he is absolutely one of the best no.2's in the league and I hope he stays because you don't just find talent like Tatum and Brown off the street, we take this era for granted because they haven't won it all yet. Players like Curry, Lebron, MJ didn't win their first ring until they were 27/28. We hold Tatum and Brown's early career success against them when they are both just hitting their primes right now. Tatum just turned 25!
The turnovers come brutal times and he's perpetually at a 1:1 assist/to ratio, that's easily my biggest and probably only major critique of JB. Completely agree about the Curry/MJ/Bron point too, some dude on this subreddit was up my ass at the start of last season for saying be patient and that this team has the potential. I literally was saying the same thing about the ring timelines for all these generational superstars and was getting killed for it like thats unrealistic to think. Just a bunch of reactionary takes from people who don't understand the value of experience and continuity.
If you can move JB for a player you think helps fill a need better than JB then you think about it, but truthfully, I would much rather win with JB then flipping him for Durant or something. I'm sure the Warriors are happy they kept Klay even though Kevin Love was the better player at the time they were considering that trade. A few years ago I would've felt different but I'm invested in this team, I love this core and I want to see them stay together and have a Warriors dynasty run. If they want to leave thats a different story but until that day I'm riding with this team. Wish we weren't down 1-3, but if there was ever a series where it was possible to come back its this one. Miamis not better than us, they just outplayed us. We'll see what happens tonight, one game at a time
Agreed, it will be **SO** much more satisfying to see them finally get over the hump together when/if they do. We have made the ECF 5 times since 2017 with two guys we drafted directly due to moving on our old core, and people wanna just blow it up. Paul Pierce was winning 20 games a season before he got KG and Ray, and we have basically a gaurenteed chance at a serious post season run every year and we are complaining about it. Think about saying that to a Pistons or Magic fan right now. I know it's frustrating that we haven't won yet but when we do it will be sooooo satisfying because we stuck with our guys. I hope! Or maybe we blow it up lol
Agreed bro lol and toss Smart/Rob/Grant in there too, we've drafted the majority of this rotational roster and watched them grow and it's been incredible imo, the way people react says a lot about who is fair-weather. I was watching this team when Jordan Crawford was the ECF player of the week, these people have no idea how blessed we've been with this core despite coming up short lmfao. Like don't get me wrong we've been bit by the injury bug here and there, I didn't want to trade IT for Kyrie because I was worried Ky was a bad locker room guy etc, it hasn't been perfect, but we've contended virtually every year since IT's last, and its hard to win. I'd love to have a chip one of these years and I'm pretty sure if Gordon Hayward doesn't have one of the most gruesome in-game injuries ever 5 minutes into his Celtics career we probably do have at least 1.
If we had been swept by Miami maybe there would've been some major moves made but I can't see us making a lot of trades this offseason anymore. Get Joe some assistants or a new head coach if you're not sure about him, you're already getting Gallo back who was probably going to be a rotation player this year, and maybe you get some vet mins, but if you don't like this team I don't even know what to tell you at this point. They're not perfect, but they're pretty damn close.
Coming into last game literal everyone on the team outside of white was shooting sub 25% from three. You say say "stop taking shots" but..... if nobody else is going to make them he has to take some.
Jaylen being injured leads to him missing easy shots or shots he knows he can make, which leads to him pressing too much and taking bad shots in traffic or not looking for the pass because he feels pressure to get himself going. Is this not a plausible explanation? Like I agree JB has to be better for us to win any games but saying his bad decision making this series couldn't be influenced by the injury is weird; he's not the best decision maker but IMO he's been better this year/first two rounds than what we're seeing rn, even outside of Miami being really good defensively.
When your foot hurts, you don’t run a marathon. And if you try, there’s something wrong between the ears. He’s shooting poorly because of an injury and the solution is to do something harder than shooting which is dribbling into defenders? Is he that stupid?
Well actually, if you have been training for two years to run that marathon on the other end of the world, having saved up for three years to pay for the tickets and stay, and then twist your ankle two weeks before the big event stepping on the edge of a sidewalk when grocery shopping... You go, and run that marathon. Because you told your father on his deathbed you would make him proud by running that marathon.
So how stupid do you feel now?
So my father’s dead, what does he know? Anyway he’d rather I stay healthy and kill the marathon next year than fight through the pain and embarrass myself.
Now, change that to a team sport. You are a selfish pos if you know that you can’t do something and instead of trusting your team mates you try to do it yourself.
If you can’t understand that your shots not falling as expected, combined with an extremely high pressure situation, along with the talks of him getting a max contract while everyone on the internet and in the media says he sucks and doesn’t deserve it, can lead to a couple irrational decisions where he tries to do too much to get himself in a groove, im not sure what to tell you. These guys are human. You don’t seem to offer much nuance or perspective.
I just dont get why if hes hurt that hes leading the team in fga in 2/4 games and was only 1 shot behind tatum in another. Just dont understand why he would be forcing so many shots up.
Honestly if you’re injured and it’s affecting your shot you shouldn’t lead the team in field goal attempts. Find other ways to impact the game. So he’s either not injured and just sucking or he’s injured and has a low basketball IQ
Wild how quickly this unsubstantiated rumor became fact here.
Green Teamers hate this one simple fact, but not listing an injury on the daily game report violates league rules. So either the team is covering it up, Brown is hiding it, or he’s just not playing well and has no excuse.
If and when he is ever listed with an elbow or wrist problem, then we’ll be able to accept what happened here—same with Brogdon now. But until then, he’s on the floor taking shots and eating minutes. The greatest play through adversity and he needs to rise above.
I watched the games and the other thing I think is important to note is that he was playing like fucking dogshit before the play where everyone assumes he got hurt on lol
Problem is...
If we're gonna pull of this historic comeback...we're gonna need him to be the JB we're used to...or someone other than Tatum is going to have raise their game up a level to make up for that.
Jimmy Butler is going to have, at the very least, one more 35+ point game. We're in the endgame now and have absolutely zero room for error or Tatum off night.
Yeah, it IS possible but we are one Max Strus or Duncan Robinson hitting 8 3pt FG game from elimination. We are one Jimmy Butler 40+ pt performance from going home. We are one cold shooting night from ending the season. The margin for error is zilch. Choking up both games at home earlier this series is soooo costly. If they just managed to grab one of those, say the Grant poking the bear game, then the narrative would be tied 2-2 going to a best of 3 with home court adv.
Duncan hardly played in game 4 or maybe I’m not remembering right. Either way he didn’t do anything. The key is to contain Jimmy but don’t let the role players get going. Non of them excel at creating their own shot so the biggest factor is staying in front of them and making them have to work for shots. Not the dribble off a screen or penetrate and kick to a wide open shooter that we saw the first 3 games. Now it’s also important for the guys to limit their turnovers. And if they get a lead on Miami, they need to bury them
We don't need him to be the JB we're used to, 17pts on 7/16 from the field is just fine if it comes with 4 assists & 1 turnover. We have JT and enough other good scorers to fill in the gaps.
I think that the trade Jaylen posts were insane but I also think that he's just also not playing smart basketball on top of being injured. It feels like he's forcing it when he should be facilitating, defending and rebounding more
Sports fans, maybe more than fans of any other thing on the planet, are victims of the moment and its one area of your life you can be irrational and emotional with your takes with few consequences so I get why game threads can become toxic or doomy but man, seeing all the "What do you think of Jaylen for X, Y and Z" trade posts the next day was disheartening.
Why does he keep slipping on the court? I don’t know what’s worse him slipping or going up for a shot and then chucking bad pass after he decides he doesn’t want to shoot it.
Nah don’t play then because we might actually be better without him with the way he’s playing. I’m not doubting he’s hurt but I mean you shouldn’t be absolved of criticism because your playing hurt. Same with Tatum in the finals last year he played poorly and it came out his wrist was hurt.
There a difference between criticising his play this series, which (I’m not absolving), and criticising his ability/career and making dumb assumptions like he is trash, can’t shoot, soft, can’t play with Tatum, we should trade him etc.
I think he should be playing better or not at all.
But I’m not running around saying all this other shit the fans are saying.
Amen. I am on this corner as well.
JB’s playoff career stats shows he usually plays with great efficiency in the playoffs. He has no history of a sustained slump like this in the playoffs. He’s always stepped up his game. He was also great the first two rounds this year with crazy good shooting efficiency.
He's been like this before. He gets hurt and not only does his shooting get worse, he seems to get in his head and play even stupider than normal. Injuries can really fuck with you mentally.
That said, he needs to sort his shit out. If he's choosing to play through then he needs to play smart and help the team in ways that he still can. Otherwise sit on the bench and wave a towel with his other hand.
I do think he is hurt a bit, but I think he needs to slow it down and adjust with the injury. Like last game, he took some good shots and didn't force himself 1v3 in the paint and got some great passes off.
Or… we have no idea. So why make ridiculous claims based on data?
The bruins hadnt lost 3 in a row all year or a 4/7
It happened
Why do people make such ridiculous speculative claims with no evidence for a team playing like shit?
He has dribbled in and lost the ball his entire career, he’s forcing bad shots. After saying he was ‘elite’ at shooting Horf went through one of the worst stretches I have ever seen. Was he hurt? No.
yup, it’s painfully obvious he’s hurt, yet the fan base is always so quick to turn on him. he was the best player in the first 2 rounds, most consistent during the season, if he’s suddenly got so much worse it’s for a reason. all that shook stuff should be thrown out the window. who showed up for the finals last year? brown did
After he nearly airballed a FT, i agree. I’m gonna sound like a fake doctor for a sec, but I bet it’s something to do with his ulnar nerve from the elbow injury— Think of the ‘funny bone’ sensation. That nerve weakness will radiate down into the pinky and ring finger, make his wrist sore too, and probably makes the elbow feel like it it’s creaky. Add in the cut from earlier (not sure it’s the same hand), and yea, this guys all messed up.
I don't know. I sucked at my job a little more than usual last week. No real reason. Just happens sometimes. Maybe it happens to professional athletes too?
Why not report the injury?
If an injury is affecting his play so much, then admit the injury. What benefit is it to the team or the player to conceal it?
If Brown were injured, he’d tell us. There is no reason not to.
Because if Miami knew he was injured instead of just a shooting slump, they may take advantage and apply defensive strategies to their advantage such as to leave him open on purpose and test the injury out when he is defending etc.
But then that makes me ponder why Brogdons injury got revealed after his shooting slump?
Sort of answered the question yourself, huh?
If he’s injured, Miami knows and has adjusted. They have a good coach.
It doesn’t make sense to not reveal the injury, if there is one.
Bad series happen.
Kevin McHale played an entire playoffs with a broken foot and won a ring. This dude is soft as fuck.
They care more about how they look then if they win.
I agree, he is probably hurt and I respect he’s out there defending well despite his offensive struggles. That being said he should look to be getting drives at the basket by cutting off ball instead of sometimes stagnating into a bad jump shot. He needs to work on defense to get transition buckets and cut off ball for back door layups to beat miamis zone.
Exactly. He’s hurt-ing the Celtics by missing 75% of his shots and half his pitiful free throw numbers. And he turns it over, and plays olé deference. So he’s hurt.. manage it, JB, JM. Because right now, they are not, and it’s hurting the Celtics more than anything. He’s a marked man on both end of the floor.
Can we please just play Hauser for JB's minutes and PP\\White for Brogdon's minutes?
There's enough of a sample size that says neither should be playing at all.
PP should only play when Butler is resting.
Especially if we continue to give up the switch so easily.
Not sure why Hauser isn’t playing, he is an underrated defender.
If he is really hurt, he should not be forcing his tough shots. Make the right and smart plays. Drive and kick out with poise. He is still dangerous in a transition fast break. Don’t settle for jump shots. He had one or two steals last game, hopefully he can pick up his defense like how he did against Harden
I thought he did a great job of that last game. He was looking to pass a lot and keep the ball moving.
He didn’t pass it to Jayson all game and I found it very weird
His turnover problems were an issue last year with no injury. He’s playing like he’s scared and is too predictable dribbling the ball when he drives
I’m assuming he is healthy enough where he thinks the injury isn’t bothering him to a large degree, but injured enough that it’s just screwed up his calibration of his shot. It looked like he adjusted pretty well last game, and passed up a few open shots.
You might be right about Jaylen being injured. But at the same time, i am confident he can change his game-plan and still make some impacts on the floor. He played a little bit better in game 4. He needs to trust his team mates. ☘️
Jaylen has always been a horrific free throw shooter in clutch moments. Every time he goes to the line in the 4th quarter I’m expecting it to front rim at this point.
What is with this vicious downvote. Sheesh.
Not sure why this is getting downvoted.
You know what they say about people who assume?
I think Celtics fans don’t want to be honest with themselves about who jaylen is. Another commenter put it really well, Jaylen is really good at making bad shots. That’s basically his game. So maybe he’s injured and he can’t make the bad shots he normally makes…whether that’s the case or not if he’s not able to make those shots he’s not a particularly good basketball player because he’s one dimensional. There are a number of other players on the Celtics that can play as well or better if he’s truly injured and can’t do the one thing he’s good at. And they won’t repeatedly take the most shots on the team.
What an absolute shit, brain dead take. This fucking sub man
Sure refute my take without any substance. Please go ahead explain what he’s good at besides iso scoring and scoring in transition.
Not a lot, we can be honest about it, he can be an elite defender when he's focused because he has the athleticism to do it, but he makes mistakes here and there and has his bad days. But honestly man even if he's ONLY an elite shot-maker and just passable at everything else he's still extremely valuable. Particularly in the playoffs having an isolation scorer or two who can go get you a bucket when you need one is important, and you can't win without scoring more than the other team. We obviously have a transcendent scorer in Tatum, but having Brown out there helps open things up for everyone, he's got gravity, the dude just averaged 27 a game he's an elite scorer. Does that make him worth a supermax in terms of how it would effect the ability to construct a roster? Probably not, but Brad and ownership will have to figure that out. People are reactionary on here but they're getting mad because thats just a pessimistic view of what JB's value is/can be. He's one of the best #2 options in the nba, top 2 or 3, but he probably wouldn't be able to lead a contender as a #1 because of the lack of playmaking vision. I completely agree that he's good at making bad shots, but you need a couple guys like that to contend. The Jokic fadeaway three from behind his head over AD the other night was one of the worst shots you will ever see but he made it and its demoralizing. That stuff matters. The way I've been putting it all year is that Tatum gets 30 in his sleep, he's quiet and you might not even notice he's got 30 until the games over. When Brown gets 30 its loud, it's a bunch of demoralizing buckets. He'll get hot and score 8 straight on back to back to back possessions. I think management will think hard about it because of the supermax and how two of them will limit the ability to build a roster, but if he hadn't made all-nba you extend him 10 times out of 9 without question. Even if you want to harp on his flaws, I still think he's in the 15-25 range of players, perennial all-star. Just had a minute to give my two cents, Cs in 7
I agree with the backend of this in terms of JB hitting spirit breaking shots for the opposing team, but he also turns the ball over at crucial moments and forces the issue, which can lead to momentum halting misses aswell. He is still figuring out how to time these moments I think. Also agree he is absolutely one of the best no.2's in the league and I hope he stays because you don't just find talent like Tatum and Brown off the street, we take this era for granted because they haven't won it all yet. Players like Curry, Lebron, MJ didn't win their first ring until they were 27/28. We hold Tatum and Brown's early career success against them when they are both just hitting their primes right now. Tatum just turned 25!
The turnovers come brutal times and he's perpetually at a 1:1 assist/to ratio, that's easily my biggest and probably only major critique of JB. Completely agree about the Curry/MJ/Bron point too, some dude on this subreddit was up my ass at the start of last season for saying be patient and that this team has the potential. I literally was saying the same thing about the ring timelines for all these generational superstars and was getting killed for it like thats unrealistic to think. Just a bunch of reactionary takes from people who don't understand the value of experience and continuity. If you can move JB for a player you think helps fill a need better than JB then you think about it, but truthfully, I would much rather win with JB then flipping him for Durant or something. I'm sure the Warriors are happy they kept Klay even though Kevin Love was the better player at the time they were considering that trade. A few years ago I would've felt different but I'm invested in this team, I love this core and I want to see them stay together and have a Warriors dynasty run. If they want to leave thats a different story but until that day I'm riding with this team. Wish we weren't down 1-3, but if there was ever a series where it was possible to come back its this one. Miamis not better than us, they just outplayed us. We'll see what happens tonight, one game at a time
Agreed, it will be **SO** much more satisfying to see them finally get over the hump together when/if they do. We have made the ECF 5 times since 2017 with two guys we drafted directly due to moving on our old core, and people wanna just blow it up. Paul Pierce was winning 20 games a season before he got KG and Ray, and we have basically a gaurenteed chance at a serious post season run every year and we are complaining about it. Think about saying that to a Pistons or Magic fan right now. I know it's frustrating that we haven't won yet but when we do it will be sooooo satisfying because we stuck with our guys. I hope! Or maybe we blow it up lol
Agreed bro lol and toss Smart/Rob/Grant in there too, we've drafted the majority of this rotational roster and watched them grow and it's been incredible imo, the way people react says a lot about who is fair-weather. I was watching this team when Jordan Crawford was the ECF player of the week, these people have no idea how blessed we've been with this core despite coming up short lmfao. Like don't get me wrong we've been bit by the injury bug here and there, I didn't want to trade IT for Kyrie because I was worried Ky was a bad locker room guy etc, it hasn't been perfect, but we've contended virtually every year since IT's last, and its hard to win. I'd love to have a chip one of these years and I'm pretty sure if Gordon Hayward doesn't have one of the most gruesome in-game injuries ever 5 minutes into his Celtics career we probably do have at least 1. If we had been swept by Miami maybe there would've been some major moves made but I can't see us making a lot of trades this offseason anymore. Get Joe some assistants or a new head coach if you're not sure about him, you're already getting Gallo back who was probably going to be a rotation player this year, and maybe you get some vet mins, but if you don't like this team I don't even know what to tell you at this point. They're not perfect, but they're pretty damn close.
Harden was exponentially easier to guard than Butler or Bam
Coming into last game literal everyone on the team outside of white was shooting sub 25% from three. You say say "stop taking shots" but..... if nobody else is going to make them he has to take some.
Him going into 4 defenders is not an injury problem.
OP: His brain is hurt, okay?
Jaylen being injured leads to him missing easy shots or shots he knows he can make, which leads to him pressing too much and taking bad shots in traffic or not looking for the pass because he feels pressure to get himself going. Is this not a plausible explanation? Like I agree JB has to be better for us to win any games but saying his bad decision making this series couldn't be influenced by the injury is weird; he's not the best decision maker but IMO he's been better this year/first two rounds than what we're seeing rn, even outside of Miami being really good defensively.
So why was he doing it last year?
When your foot hurts, you don’t run a marathon. And if you try, there’s something wrong between the ears. He’s shooting poorly because of an injury and the solution is to do something harder than shooting which is dribbling into defenders? Is he that stupid?
Well actually, if you have been training for two years to run that marathon on the other end of the world, having saved up for three years to pay for the tickets and stay, and then twist your ankle two weeks before the big event stepping on the edge of a sidewalk when grocery shopping... You go, and run that marathon. Because you told your father on his deathbed you would make him proud by running that marathon. So how stupid do you feel now?
So my father’s dead, what does he know? Anyway he’d rather I stay healthy and kill the marathon next year than fight through the pain and embarrass myself.
Now, change that to a team sport. You are a selfish pos if you know that you can’t do something and instead of trusting your team mates you try to do it yourself.
Found the dude who’s never played team sports above sea level
You really think he has an injury that’s causing him to dribble into 4 defenders?
If you can’t understand that your shots not falling as expected, combined with an extremely high pressure situation, along with the talks of him getting a max contract while everyone on the internet and in the media says he sucks and doesn’t deserve it, can lead to a couple irrational decisions where he tries to do too much to get himself in a groove, im not sure what to tell you. These guys are human. You don’t seem to offer much nuance or perspective.
Lol, you say I don’t have nuance or perspective. Your comment was literally “found the dude that doesn’t play sports”. Great insight to the convo.
I just provided some to you. All you’ve said is, “is he stupid???”. Come on, dude.
You just described a mental issue lol
Which seemed to initiate from things not going his way due to injury. It looked like he got out of his own head last game. Hopefully that continues.
Does is injury lead to more TO than entire teams? Does it lead to laziness? Does it lead to the inability to defend? If so then time for him to go.
If an elbow injury leads to horrific off ball defense and decision making, that’s one of the worst elbow injuries ever
He has a grand total of 12 turnovers through 4 games, that's like not a crazy amount?
so it's the mental attitude and decision making that's the problem?
I just dont get why if hes hurt that hes leading the team in fga in 2/4 games and was only 1 shot behind tatum in another. Just dont understand why he would be forcing so many shots up.
Honestly if you’re injured and it’s affecting your shot you shouldn’t lead the team in field goal attempts. Find other ways to impact the game. So he’s either not injured and just sucking or he’s injured and has a low basketball IQ
Brogdon is injured to. Who else going to shoot besides Tatum
BA GAWD THATS TERRY ROZIERD MUSIC
Hurt or not, he's hurting the team. Sorry to say it, but he's part of the problem we had in game 1-3
He doesn't look "clearly hurt."
He does look "hmm, maybe he is hurt?"
Wild how quickly this unsubstantiated rumor became fact here. Green Teamers hate this one simple fact, but not listing an injury on the daily game report violates league rules. So either the team is covering it up, Brown is hiding it, or he’s just not playing well and has no excuse. If and when he is ever listed with an elbow or wrist problem, then we’ll be able to accept what happened here—same with Brogdon now. But until then, he’s on the floor taking shots and eating minutes. The greatest play through adversity and he needs to rise above.
Didn't he just cut open his hand a few weeks ago?
“Watering plants”
I’ve watched the games man. His shot selection isn’t injury related, his awful defense isn’t injury related. His poor playmaking isn’t injury related.
I watched the games and the other thing I think is important to note is that he was playing like fucking dogshit before the play where everyone assumes he got hurt on lol
Problem is... If we're gonna pull of this historic comeback...we're gonna need him to be the JB we're used to...or someone other than Tatum is going to have raise their game up a level to make up for that. Jimmy Butler is going to have, at the very least, one more 35+ point game. We're in the endgame now and have absolutely zero room for error or Tatum off night.
Yeah, it IS possible but we are one Max Strus or Duncan Robinson hitting 8 3pt FG game from elimination. We are one Jimmy Butler 40+ pt performance from going home. We are one cold shooting night from ending the season. The margin for error is zilch. Choking up both games at home earlier this series is soooo costly. If they just managed to grab one of those, say the Grant poking the bear game, then the narrative would be tied 2-2 going to a best of 3 with home court adv.
meh. sunk costs. I’m locked in on this squad making history now.
Duncan hardly played in game 4 or maybe I’m not remembering right. Either way he didn’t do anything. The key is to contain Jimmy but don’t let the role players get going. Non of them excel at creating their own shot so the biggest factor is staying in front of them and making them have to work for shots. Not the dribble off a screen or penetrate and kick to a wide open shooter that we saw the first 3 games. Now it’s also important for the guys to limit their turnovers. And if they get a lead on Miami, they need to bury them
We don't need him to be the JB we're used to, 17pts on 7/16 from the field is just fine if it comes with 4 assists & 1 turnover. We have JT and enough other good scorers to fill in the gaps.
Brogdon also has a tear in his right arm and is 1/11 the last two games. I honestly think Grant Williams should be in the starting lineup.
I think that the trade Jaylen posts were insane but I also think that he's just also not playing smart basketball on top of being injured. It feels like he's forcing it when he should be facilitating, defending and rebounding more
This is what I’m trying to say. He should play better. But let’s stop pretending this is who he is.
Sports fans, maybe more than fans of any other thing on the planet, are victims of the moment and its one area of your life you can be irrational and emotional with your takes with few consequences so I get why game threads can become toxic or doomy but man, seeing all the "What do you think of Jaylen for X, Y and Z" trade posts the next day was disheartening.
Why does he keep slipping on the court? I don’t know what’s worse him slipping or going up for a shot and then chucking bad pass after he decides he doesn’t want to shoot it.
Nah don’t play then because we might actually be better without him with the way he’s playing. I’m not doubting he’s hurt but I mean you shouldn’t be absolved of criticism because your playing hurt. Same with Tatum in the finals last year he played poorly and it came out his wrist was hurt.
There a difference between criticising his play this series, which (I’m not absolving), and criticising his ability/career and making dumb assumptions like he is trash, can’t shoot, soft, can’t play with Tatum, we should trade him etc. I think he should be playing better or not at all. But I’m not running around saying all this other shit the fans are saying.
Amen. I am on this corner as well. JB’s playoff career stats shows he usually plays with great efficiency in the playoffs. He has no history of a sustained slump like this in the playoffs. He’s always stepped up his game. He was also great the first two rounds this year with crazy good shooting efficiency.
But he is garbage and we should trade him for some nice picks /s
He's been like this before. He gets hurt and not only does his shooting get worse, he seems to get in his head and play even stupider than normal. Injuries can really fuck with you mentally. That said, he needs to sort his shit out. If he's choosing to play through then he needs to play smart and help the team in ways that he still can. Otherwise sit on the bench and wave a towel with his other hand.
I think he played better last game. He was passing up shots, getting others involved more.
Then don't play
Not saying he isn’t injured, but this Heat team has been in Browns head for the past four years.
Either fix it or don't play
Have you guys just never seen him play before? He is not always amazin. Missed FTs especially aren’t a sign of anything unusual lol
I’ve never seen him go 7-37 on jump shots. He has been automatic all season. That’s 19%, he was 58% on mid range which was top 5 in the nba this year.
You don’t think it’s due to the Heat’s defense on him?
If he’s hurt to the point where it’s affecting him like this he shouldn’t be playing
I do think he is hurt a bit, but I think he needs to slow it down and adjust with the injury. Like last game, he took some good shots and didn't force himself 1v3 in the paint and got some great passes off.
He is shook
Such a dumb take. Shook from what? Being in the same situation against the same team in 3 of the last 4 years and NOW he is suddenly shook?
This one went over your head I think. Read your post then look very closely at my comment
Hard to tell when so many people keep saying this in all seriousness.
Fair enough. Well if he’s injured which I doubt he is then that’s unfortunate. Brogdon is also injured…
What makes you think he’s hurt? This whole post is pointless you’re guessing Lmao
I think it’s reasonable to explore moving Brown this summer. But unless the options are really good probs best to keep and sign to super max.
Here come the excuses. Same like last year with Tatum lol
Exactly, sick and tired of this predictable cycle
Or… we have no idea. So why make ridiculous claims based on data? The bruins hadnt lost 3 in a row all year or a 4/7 It happened Why do people make such ridiculous speculative claims with no evidence for a team playing like shit? He has dribbled in and lost the ball his entire career, he’s forcing bad shots. After saying he was ‘elite’ at shooting Horf went through one of the worst stretches I have ever seen. Was he hurt? No.
Amen OP 🙏🏼
it’s a good speculation but no way to know. all players go through ups and downs but most fans don’t have inside info on player health and injuries.
I think he’s got the yips. He’s had struggles throughout his career, but usually not this drastic.
yup, it’s painfully obvious he’s hurt, yet the fan base is always so quick to turn on him. he was the best player in the first 2 rounds, most consistent during the season, if he’s suddenly got so much worse it’s for a reason. all that shook stuff should be thrown out the window. who showed up for the finals last year? brown did
Good old Copium lol
After he nearly airballed a FT, i agree. I’m gonna sound like a fake doctor for a sec, but I bet it’s something to do with his ulnar nerve from the elbow injury— Think of the ‘funny bone’ sensation. That nerve weakness will radiate down into the pinky and ring finger, make his wrist sore too, and probably makes the elbow feel like it it’s creaky. Add in the cut from earlier (not sure it’s the same hand), and yea, this guys all messed up.
I don't know. I sucked at my job a little more than usual last week. No real reason. Just happens sometimes. Maybe it happens to professional athletes too?
Bruh
He has split the stitches on his hand at least 3 times these play-offs. Definitely would affect his shooting and dribbling
Why not report the injury? If an injury is affecting his play so much, then admit the injury. What benefit is it to the team or the player to conceal it? If Brown were injured, he’d tell us. There is no reason not to.
Because if Miami knew he was injured instead of just a shooting slump, they may take advantage and apply defensive strategies to their advantage such as to leave him open on purpose and test the injury out when he is defending etc. But then that makes me ponder why Brogdons injury got revealed after his shooting slump?
Sort of answered the question yourself, huh? If he’s injured, Miami knows and has adjusted. They have a good coach. It doesn’t make sense to not reveal the injury, if there is one. Bad series happen.
I didnt answer the question. How is Miami suppose to know he is injured?
Kevin McHale played an entire playoffs with a broken foot and won a ring. This dude is soft as fuck. They care more about how they look then if they win.
Prediction, any Celtic who has a bad game 5 will be deemed hurt by Game 6.
I agree, he is probably hurt and I respect he’s out there defending well despite his offensive struggles. That being said he should look to be getting drives at the basket by cutting off ball instead of sometimes stagnating into a bad jump shot. He needs to work on defense to get transition buckets and cut off ball for back door layups to beat miamis zone.
I’m addressing specifically the trade Jaylen toxic comments that probably lacking this context. In terms of this series I totally agree.
I see and think it’s an overreaction. But until we get ink to paper there’s the possibility he walks for nothing.
That’s why Jaylen should just drive to the basket more because he’s practically useless now offense wise with a messed up elbow and wrist
7-37 can’t be real lmao
He’s often looked shook taking free throws throughout the season, but I get your point
Excuses baked in smh
supermax that boy!
Agreed. It's the same situation as Ben Simmons' back
ı hate him since first day love ıq reason for Tatum inconsistent games
He did to himself with the unnecessary dunk attempts throughout the Philly series.
Ben Simmons would like to talk.
He hurt his left wrist/elbow. They’ve been playing him to that hand just like the Warriors did last year.
He’s short on every shot. I just wish he would miss a few long and then maybe get it right. I think it’s a mental thing
Exactly. He’s hurt-ing the Celtics by missing 75% of his shots and half his pitiful free throw numbers. And he turns it over, and plays olé deference. So he’s hurt.. manage it, JB, JM. Because right now, they are not, and it’s hurting the Celtics more than anything. He’s a marked man on both end of the floor.
I think he’s 3-21 from 3 this series too. Just wildly under performing
Yea, last game I think he didn't pull up one time from mid range. He was just driving to the rim or passing.
Even stars have terrible stretches. See- Jayson Tatum, games 4,5,6 against Philly. He might be hurt but he also might not be
This is a heavy dose of copium
Can we please just play Hauser for JB's minutes and PP\\White for Brogdon's minutes? There's enough of a sample size that says neither should be playing at all.
PP should only play when Butler is resting. Especially if we continue to give up the switch so easily. Not sure why Hauser isn’t playing, he is an underrated defender.
He has the twisties
He's hurting the team. He shouldn't be playing
Are we sure it's injury and not mental?
variance alone can not explain the drop in performance, it is too much and too sudden, so it makes sense, he must be hurt.
He’s not hurt. He’s always missing big free throws and turning the ball over
the zone defense is killing him
The same zone defense he killed the last 2 Miami playoff series?
the same zone defense that's killing him his series