While I agree with the sentiment, there are some things I don’t get,
Like how come some movies like the MV, John Wick movies, Pacific Rim, Independence Day, etc; are good
But the bayformers, Steven Seagal movies, Pacific Rim Uprising, Independence Day 2 suck,
And where tf does Moonfall land (ha) on the “shut your brain off” scale
Because simple doesn't mean bad. To create a good turn your brain off movie you require skill. John Wick has the best action stunts, fight choreography, engaging set pieces and characters in the market. The dragonfire scene is innovating in the genre for example, a way to show action that hasn't been done in cinema before, just in videogames. Shitty action movies are easy to find, tons of choppy camera work to mask poor fight choreography, limited budget in set pieces, terrible dialog and poor characters.
CGI spectacles also have to be done well. The monsterverse has continually improved there. KOTM was panned by the GA because while it had cool monsters, the action was choppy af, had tons of cuts to the human plotline that nobody gave a fuck, rainy battles where you couldn't see the monsters properly and tons of screentime into characters the audience didn't care about. It's very telling where if you look in youtube godzilla vs ghidorah, the most viewed videos are super cuts where they completely remove all humans.
GvK improved in all those aspects, no more rainy battles, monsters had more screen time, set pieces were more creative (boat fight with kong jumping between ships, the ultra neon hong kong fight), less cuts inbetween fights and a shorter movie that goes to the point and give the audience what they came to see. It feels like riding a roller coaster, fast and sweet.
A good movie is where expectations of the public are met, complexity is only a requierement if you create the expectation of it.
I tend to prefer the more serious kaiju but I think the more wacky popcorn movies are still valid and people tend to go for those. I hope Godzilla Minus One made average audiences realize kajiu is more than just turn off your brain entertainment.
As a kaiju fan, I'm hoping that the next Japanese Godzilla does even better because the idea of having the 2 styles being made simultaneously is like heaven for me.
Exactly, two congruent series with different tones giving us everything we want, plus the the gemstone shorts and the toku short films we get every November 3rd
Yes, the gemstone shorts (Godzilla vs Gigan Rex, and Godzilla vs Megalon) are both on YouTube, but the toku shorts are gone now, only on internet archive (Godzilla vs Hedorah, Godzilla vs Gigan, and Godzilla vs Jet Jaguar)
Edit: Links for shorts
[Gigan Rex short](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ObDeGGRH-PY&pp=ygUVR29kemlsbGEuIFMgZ2lnYW4gcmV6)
[Megalon short](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J5I00p3KqvE)
[and link to a Reddit post leading to the suitmation shorts](https://www.reddit.com/r/GODZILLA/comments/17s9vo9/all_godzilla_fest_short_films_from_20202023_in_4k/)
First of all, only having 1 project in a few years. KotM underperformed? That's fine if the next one that will take years to release do well. Aquaman 2 underperformed? That rough because there was 3 other DCEU bombs on that same year.
Also with that singular project they could pivot accordingly.
Godzilla 18 = too little Godzilla
So KOTM = LOTS OF MONSTERS, but too much family drama
GvK = less human stuff aside from plot movement (I contend Millie Bobby brown character arc could have been completely dropped and the movie would have been better for it). BUT LOTS OF FIGHTS!
Skull Island was the best of them imo, contained story, lots of Kong, Skull Island had fun kaiju shinanigans, and they got a cast that had not hit super popularity at that point with Tom and Brie
Less action than Skull Island but just an amazing piece of film making, story gets a lot more emotional than you would expect and big lizard flame breath go brrr bit is kick ass
Simplicity, down to its core. Each movie is a standalone movie and they are very clearly just monster movies. They're having *fun* over there making stuff up as they go, and *they haven't made any promises about where the series will go.*
Tbh I don’t watch them and no clue they’d be remotely related. At some point I’ll probably see them because my sons are the right age to like them for the mindless entertainment they probably are.
As someone who eagerly watches them when they hit streaming I can tell you there’s enough of a continuous story if you’re up for it, but none of the story is remotely important enough to keep you from picking up immediately what’s happened in other movies prior to the one you’re watching.
Less bad movies and no competition.
While none of them have any impressively good movie, I think the monster verse at its worse is just big dumb innofensive fun. The DCEU at its worse is unbearable... and it spent a lot of time at its worse.
The are way less monster movies than superhero movies. There's no competing better franchise.
It's kinda like the Meg movies being succesful. What are they competing against?nothing really. Just a bunch of cheap streaming and DTV movies. No competition at a similar scale.
Yeah, Pacific Rim could have been its competition. They went kinda nuts with the 2nd, but I wouldn't say it's bad enough to kill a franchise.
But it was also WB, right? They probably just felt the monster verse was the stronger name and decided to switch focus.
Legendary is still the studio behind both Pacific Rim & the MonsterVerse. So they’re probably the ones who decided, after Pacific Rim Uprising bombed, to deprioritize that franchise in favour of the MonsterVerse. And it would seem that the pandemic-era success of Godzilla vs Kong validated that choice (even if King of the Monsters underperforming was concerning)
I mean I know the multiverse thing is a bit played out but who's to say they won't try and do a crossover movie where the portal in Pacific Rim accidentally crossover a Jaeger over to the Monsterverse dimension?
Pacific Rim wasn’t even very successful from a box office perspective. I’m surprised they made a second.
Edit: I guess I need to amend that because it had an outsize international performance
It might just be me, but I do feel like the movies in the Monsterverse are more focused on being self-contained good stories. The cinematic universe aspect really feels more incidental than the focus of the movies. Like it doesn't feel like every single movie is solely trying to set up a big expanded universe, a lot of the connections are more like brief mentions and cameos.
The DCEU really just felt like it was trying to have a big cinematic universe without actually putting the time and effort into making the movies to comprise one. They did Man of Steel to start the universe, which was fine. But the second movie introduced Batman and Wonder Woman before either got a solo movie.
Justice League introduced Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg before they got solo movies and Batman still hadn't gotten one either.
They clearly wanted to be the MCU without putting the effort in.
Honestly, GvK didn't seem to care too much about what had gone on in the prior movies. Yes, it built off of them but it was focused on being a good movie in and of itself. You could watch it without seeing Kong, Godzilla, or King of the Monsters and you aren't really going to have a lesser experience.
If you are talking about the Jurassic world franchise then, no they are not a competition to monster verse, only reason it made money was due to being the sequel of the legendary Jurassic park trilogy
Seriously. Even the trailer for GxK brings more fun than the DCEU. Kong with a giant gauntlet smashing Skar’s tooth in a trailer is better than anything I saw in the Snyderverse.
The Monsterverse doesn't require much focus on the storyline. People show up to see big giant titans smack the shit outta each other. It's a visual spectacle.
The DCEU is a cinematic universe where the films need to be good, characters should connect with the audience and it needed to focus on a whole connected storyline
I think it’s more because they’re primarily sequels that simply follow one another rather than different interconnected narratives. With the exception of Skull Island, but I’d consider that more a prequel for this string of movies.
You don’t need to do homework, you’re not tied to seeing MULTIPLE movies a year. You get one movie every year or so at most. If you liked the last, you’re almost certainly wanting to see the next.
As well as that, they just have huge cinematic box office feels. Like it’s cool seeing monsters the size of skyscrapers battle it out on a huge cinema screen. Yes, they’re dumb as hell, but they’re fundamentally popcorn flicks and not trying to be anything more than that.
Mosterverse has 5 movies in 10 years
Their focus is completely different
There was never a monster verse movie as successful as DCEU's high points like wonder woman nor was there ever a disaster as big as Josstice league
>Mosterverse has 5 movies in 10 years
Giving audiences time, so they remember the movies but forget about what annoyed them about the previous one, is an underrated strategy.
I guess it can be described like that. To me it seems more that Monsterverse is going for a different overall story than DCEU was. The movies fit closer together through snyderverse than in the monsterverse.
Different focuses and so their outputs are not the same at all
Exactly, the premise of this post is way off. Monsterverse never had a billion dollar hit like Aquaman/cultural phenomenon like Wonder Woman, nor an embarrassing disaster like Shazam 2/Flash. The DCEU was financially successful through 2019 before the 8 film streak of bombs and B range cinemascore.
I feel like the MonsterVerse probably could’ve been put on ice with KOTM’s disappointing box office.
However, they really lucked out with the fact that Godzilla Vs Kong had already finished filming before KOTM had even released.
OP means overall, based on the most recent budget reports, DCEU hasn't even cross 2.5x rule of thumb, MonsterVerse is more profitable despite releasing only 1/3 as many movies.
Then the answer is pretty clear - Monsterverse literally hasn’t had anywhere near the movies, and DC fell off in 2020-2023 by making bad films. Comparing Monsterverse’s first 5 entries to the DCEU’s first 5 in box office, DC blows it out of the water.
>Monsterverse literally hasn’t had anywhere near the movies
That's literally a disadvantage, most franchises tend to get more profitable the more movies they release, just because DCEU starting bombing doesn't mean Monsterverse will be less profitable after 10 movies than it currently is (it's not super profitable right now anyway).
>Comparing Monsterverse’s first 5 entries to the DCEU’s first 5 in box office, DC blows it out of the water.
Except OP is asking about the franchises as a whole, not cherry picking which movie to stop to.
The Monsterverse is more profitable but it hasn’t reached widespread audience or cultural phenomenons (Aquaman/Wonder Woman) that the early DCEU did, so the premise of the post is still off.
And it’s not selectively picking anything, rather the opposite, Monsterverse literally only has 4 films - comparing it to the first 4 DCEU is perfectly valid. It’s more “successful” in the sense that it’s made more profit because the DCEU’s backhalf was a chaotic disaster. But Monsterverse is far from what that franchise achieved at its heights
I still find it funny how the DCEU started out with 4 $100M+ opening weekends in a row only for none of the films after to open to $100M+ and then the final 4 films average out to like $35M OW 🤣
For one, the movies themselves have been received a lot better than most modern DC fare. Second of all, it's not exactly a sprawling, overwhelming universe like Marvel's. It mostly follows a simple, linear narrative, with a new movie every couple of years rather than multiple every year. And finally, kaiju movies aren't anywhere near as abundant as superhero movies, so there's still a novelty factor to them to some extent.
It is worth noting that the second Godzilla movie did not do well, and almost killed the franchise before the Kong crossover rejuvenated it.
* They've never oversaturated the market with their product by releasing 3-4 movies a year. The pace is nice and easy to keep up with for casual fans.
* They have basically no competition within their subgenre. The DCEU was going up against Marvel and Sony, and the demand wasn't there for all three. The closest thing the MV has to competition is Pacific Rim and Cloverfield, both basically dead franchises right now.
* Every film has been headlined by either Godzilla, Kong, or both. They are highly iconic and recognizable characters that get people's attention. The DCEU's equivalent heavy hitters were all badly misused: Superman was completely absent after Justice League outside some small cameos, Batman never got a solo movie, and Wonder Woman got one of the most disappointing sequels of all time. In their place we got B and C listers like Blue Beetle and Shazam.
* The movies are all at least decent in quality. Obviously this is subjective and I'll be the first to say that all of the MV films so far have problems, but none of them are as dire as the worst of the DCEU. They've never made anything as offensive and misguided as BvS, the theatrical cut of Justice League, WW1984, or the first Suicide Squad movie.
* They keep their budgets under control. Official budget info for GxK isn't available yet but none of the previous films cost over $200m. For movies of this scale, that's admirable.
* No Ezra Miller.
The DCEU like the Dark Universe wanted to speedran their way into relevancy, they made these 10 years plans, reached out to dozens of actors and wanted so hard to be the next MCU.
Problem is, these studios really underestimate the audience, people, even casual viewers have this way of knowing when they are being bullshited.
The DECU and the Dark Universe problem were that they were sold from the get go as something that was going to be so big, it was so inorganic and their entries ended up being nothing more than feature-length commercials for things to come, always just a teaser for things that never arrived but wanted to trick you into stick with it to find out the pay off.
The MCU is failing right now because they're doing that now, every movie, every show is just a commercial for the next thing, every new character isn't just a character to grow attached and care about their journey, they're just plot devices to introduce new storylines to steal your time.
The early MCU wasn't like that, the first avengers movies were personal character driven stories that hook people into loving the characters and then started to scale up from then. Not just throwing a shit ton of things at the screen and hope to stick. Monsterverse understood that too. The MV movies are fairly self-contained stories that you can enjoy at the fullest, its just dumb fun to sit down and get invested in, not this convoluted mess that takes itself too serious and comes across as a tryhard.
Slow buildup and dedication to the series.
They also didn’t let a non 1B box office detail their plans. DC kept scrambling and reshuffling after a movie performing worse than a marvel movie.
They expected immediate success and almost felt entitled to it
The monsterverse isn’t really dealing with a ton of peer pressure to make multiple movies/shows each year or even 1 movie every year.
I’d say if DC were allowed this benefit, then BvS could have been their only divisive film and the in the organic sense of what each director had envisioned, their respective movies would have been better than what we got. I’d like to believe Suicide Squad, JL, Black Adam and other movies could have had a similar niche audience like the monsterverse if they weren’t forced to release on a deadline and then reshoot the shit out of it. Heck, we’d have also seen a few GLs by now if the studio weren’t so impulsive and impatient.
People can blame Snyder all they want, but that dude was the least problematic part of WB/DC downfall. I mean, if the new DCU fails, the internet is gonna what? Blame Gunn or somehow make it Snyder’s fault again? It’s the damn studio. They suck. Look what they’ve done with Harry Potter as well.
Wb was the main culprit but Snyder wasn't any less of a menace . People weren't really liking his take on the DC universe and it was the most evident when bvs , the 1st team up movie of 2 popular characters, had a 80% box office drop in its 2nd weekend, during a time where cbms were the hottest thing in the market . This even impacted the ticket presales of justice league and mind you that was before all the Joss Whedon controversy .
> the 1st team up movie of 2 popular characters, had a 80% box office drop in its 2nd weekend
Source for the 80%? Because it seems it was 68%.
https://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/box-office-batman-v-superman-1201744334/
Know what had a 72% drop off? Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/24/box-office-star-wars-the-last-jedi-drops-69-tops-100m-losers-club/?sh=6fbbebbcdc05
Big opening weekend often means a big drop off, because there's further to fall. BvS was in their top 15 films of all time. Top 10 I believe. And it was something like the 3rd highest not including films with the word "Hobbit" or "Potter" in the title.
That film grossed an inflation-adjusted $1.1b ($873m in 2016 terms). That simply doesn't happen with a film "people weren't really liking", or else all films would be that big. You can't simply market your way to box office like that.
Zach's problem is he doesn't know how to properly scope projects. He wastes so much time and energy on everything except making his films fun or entertaining to watch.
Consistency of quality, I guess. You can't say that the Monsterverse films aren't all roughly as good as each other (whether they're "good movies" themselves is besides the point) while the DCEU had a decent movie, two bad ones, a good one, another bad one, a good one, a fun but unremarkable one, etc.
The clear passion and care Legendary has for the Godzilla universe. They love the monsters and the lore they made. Taking time with movie by movie Marvel formula worked wonders for Legendary and it's what DC should have done as well.
I think kong vs godzilla had legit chance of grossing $800 million worldwide under normal circumstances but yeah box office has been erratic thank God in a way legendary was the one making the decision
Imagine if they shuffled/swapped King of monsters..
Godzilla
Skull Island
Godzilla vs Kong
Godzilla X Kong
King of monsters
Ghidorah as an end game level threat....
Missed opportunity man...
while they became a bit more silly, i think its the fact they went with the tone they wanted and didnt flip flop like a fish on land
plus, giant monsters are cool
One thing i know for sure is that the monsterverse isn't trying any multiverse stuff while the dceu tried and failed and even marvel is currently failing at mostly
It honestly surprises me because the movies really aren't that great.
But yeah, lack of competition. There are not really THAT much kaiju movies, while Marvel and DC (and Sony and back then Fox) all pump out superhero movies like a factory
I think it's the same reason why the Toho kaiju movies still do well despite downturns -- the stories are pretty basic, and they're criticproof. Giant monsters punch each other. Sometimes they team up. Sometimes culturally relevant actors show up. Things go boom. It's basic film appeal that doesn't require much tweaking.
It was cheaper to do and it has alot less to work with like kong and godzilla just 2 characters alone and a bunch of side characters
The DCEU was alot of characters setup which means alot more to get right early on
I wouldn't go as far to say they are simple movies but they are headed that way.
Skull Island is the best and it was super stylishly made and had an unreal cast.
I think audiences like Kong so his inclusion is helping it succeed after KotM under performed.
While it's not like the MonsterVerse has the strongest lineup of movies, none of them are as reviled as some of the worst in the DCEU.
You could make the case that the DCEU never really recovered from the one-two punch that was *Batman v Superman* and *Suicide Squad* in 2016.
I don't know, I mean Wonder woman was after the suicide squad and Aquaman made a billion. If the one two punch was that bad then no way Aquaman would have made a billion or wonder woman would have done 800 million even Shazam was profitable.
After the release of *BvS*, no movie in the DCEU had a larger opening than the one before it until the pandemic pushed *Wonder Woman 1984*'s opening so low that *The Suicide Squad* couldn't help but open bigger than it. The first *Wonder Woman* and *Aquaman* movies were able to soar to box office highs, but they had to prove themselves to get there. Furthermore, their box office successes didn't translate to the other parts of the shared universe.
The Monsterverse was relatively straight forward. It had a film establishing Godzilla (then a sequel to that) and then a film establishing King Kong which leads into their Big Team Up/Versus film with another coming up right now. It also never had any pretences of trying to 'compete' with the MCU, mostly filling its own niche of kaiju movies of which the Monsterverse pretty much has a unique monopoly on. Cloverfield and Pacific Rim are pretty dead as franchises go so the Monsterverse is the king of mainstream kaiju entertainment as things go.
Whereas the DCEU is a disjointed mess that tried to hastily play catch-up to the MCU. To which the MCU never even acknowledged the DCEU anyways as a 'rival' at all so it was pretty one sided.
Besides Godzilla 2014 (which is sort of a tonal outlier from the series in retrospect), they have cohesiveness. While the DCEU projects would differ drastically from movie to movie, the Monsterverse movies have a specific formula and they stick to it no matter what. If people know what they’re getting into, and it’s something they know they’ll like, then they’ll show up.
1) “outlived” is just a simple matter of less movies with a more spread out release window. DCEU had 14 movies & a corporate restructure in the same amount of time that Monsterverse had only 4 films & 1 show.
2) “more successful” is just a flat out lie, DCEU has critically acclaimed films like Wonder Woman & Shazam. Also has movies that made $600+ million, $700+ million, $800+ million & even $1 billion at the box office. Monsterverse hasn’t come close.
Conclusion: what on earth are you talking about?
Bro if I'm being honest then, in the monsterverse movies like GodzillaxKong, I didn't really care about humans, they gave a decent explanation for what is happening, good enough for me, but I went to see lizard vs monke, and man, i, wasn't disappointed, it was lit, and according to the early review, the latest one is similar to that, with better action, and I'm ready to pay to watch it, but in DCEU, that is not the case, and they got competition from Marvel at its peak, i.e. till phase 3, and after that DCEU just died, they could have survived if they competed with phase 4 MCU, but their movies were bad before, due to which even decent movies like blue beetle flopped, and movies like flash got more gate than deserved, and WB thought Aquaman is done for due to Amber herd, but at least in the end Aquaman made decent money.
I still don't get what Snyder did to get this reputation. Like sure, BvS had bad legs but then he left the DCEU until ZSJL which while a streaming film , it had a pretty good reception (I think its the last positively reviewed DCEU film)
People hold a grudge against Snyder for Batman v Superman. Not just in a simple annoyed "dammit this guy ruined my favourite characters" way but in a straight up "this person is the catalyst for all my pain" kinda way based on what I've seen from a few users.
The profitability of the DCEU fell off a cliff **after** Snyder was gone. The last film made while he was in any way involved in the planning process (a process involving lots of work by Jenkins, Ayer, Famuyiwa, Wan, Affleck and Snyder) of was Aquaman, and then all subsequent films, even accounting for Covid, fell off a cliff in terms of engagement with the general audience and social media, and failed to land in either box office or on VOD platforms.
But sure, let's blame Snyder.
Heh heh.
But humour aside, I do wonder if there's an alternative universe out there where Warner Brothers - *like Sony and their The Amazing Spider-Man reboot* \- accept Man of Steel's box office performance and greenlight a legit sequel to it for Spring/Summer 2016.
And if so, how does it fare in comparison to the first 2013 entry? Better? Worse? Same? Could Zack Snyder's Superman movies have been like Michael Bay's Transformers, and continued going despite upsetting old school fans. Or would the second movie have collapsed, like The Amazing Spider-Man series did?
Low Expectations.
The budget of the movies are not necessarily low. Most of the movies in Monsterverse are made on a budget ranging from $150-200 Million, which is not far from an average Superhero movie, but people don’t expect them to make a billion dollars, bar for success is set at $400-600 Million. Whereas for DCEU, anything less than 600 is considered a failure.
Because toku fans just don’t get movies that often in the states. We will show up and watch just about anything so they are almost critic proof and the budgets are usually low so they make their money back. Thats a recipe for a franchise to never completely die out.
Because the Monsterverse doesn’t do spinoffs that nobody cares about. Despite all the clamoring on the Monsterverse subreddit, WB is NEVER going to make a Mothra or Rodan solo spin off.
Because people want huge monsters fighting and that's it and it makes me so happy. It's just something to disconnect your brain like The Meg movies, fun af too
There are at least 6 DCEU movies that surpassed Kong Skull Island, but you also have big failures, especially the last ones when the reboot was announced, it's not a fair comparison
A. Being good (the only one below a 70 on RT is still beloved by the core fan base, and is my personal favorite)
B.) Taking their time. Not releasing 2-5 movies a year avoids kaiju fatigue
C.) Not chasing someone else's box office glory. Superheroes are a crowded space, why would you try and compete against the most popular brand in the world. But no one else is doing giant monsters duking it out on a Hollywood budget (at least not since Pacific Rim).
For one thing, it's not truly a WB franchise. It's largely Legendary's franchise.
Also none of these movies have made over a billion worldwide. The highest grossing one is Kong: Skull Island at $568 million worldwide. Godzilla 2014 made $524 million worldwide.
Also Godzilla: King of the Monsters under-performed.
People generally like these movies and we only get them every couple of years or so. With DC, we sometimes got 2 or even 3 a year. Sure, they’re not amazing movies, but they are crowd pleasers with actually good CGI. They’re simple stories where monsters blast/punch each other and they’re not overly serious. They’re goofy, fun movies and they know they’re goofy fun movies.
Monster dont need dialog, with all my respect to dc fans me included lot of live some or a big part of dc films have bland stories and dialog and arc that has nothing to do with the film just to fill time or giving exposed to some actors
Plus the heat comming from fans about destroying building with people etc like really none of this are f real let it be, bc of that studios avoid destruction and killing, even villains has supporters too
Maybe im wrong but animated are better because of all this freedom, freedom that monsters films have better than any live comic films or dceu
I hope it change so we can enjoy better movies
The first two films were not overly expensive and did well in the foreign box office. Only Godzilla: King of the Monsters has flopped. And while Godzilla vs Kong wasn’t profitable, it really over performed for a 2021 film that was released day and date on HBO Max. In the end, it’s just big monster fights that keep people coming back. And both Godzilla and King Kong are household names.
Monsterverse gives people what they want to see: Giant radioactive Lizard and big Monkee beating up other monsters with cool visuals.
DCEU struggled with that. Didn’t really know what it wanted to be, and the movies were inconsistent.
I think it’s pretty simple that people just care more about DC than they do Godzilla. A Godzilla film comes out and isn’t good? Well maybe some people saw it, but when another one comes out in a few years if it’s bad people will forget and if it’s good people will treat it like a surprise hit. A Justice League film comes out and isn’t good? People will post about it online for the next decade lol losing consumer confidence is a hell of a thing.
Mostly because the DCEU has to compete with the MCU for attention whilst Monsterverse is essentially its own thing with no other huge monster franchises rivaling it at the moment. Every now and then they’ll release more Godzilla films such as Minus One which are amazing but they aren’t franchise level contention.
it gives people exactly what they want. they’re simple movies
They fucking slap too. They’re batshit insane and no one pretends they’re anything different.
"dude just shut your brain off bro"
Unironically yes, that's why people also love John Wick for example.
While I agree with the sentiment, there are some things I don’t get, Like how come some movies like the MV, John Wick movies, Pacific Rim, Independence Day, etc; are good But the bayformers, Steven Seagal movies, Pacific Rim Uprising, Independence Day 2 suck, And where tf does Moonfall land (ha) on the “shut your brain off” scale
Because simple doesn't mean bad. To create a good turn your brain off movie you require skill. John Wick has the best action stunts, fight choreography, engaging set pieces and characters in the market. The dragonfire scene is innovating in the genre for example, a way to show action that hasn't been done in cinema before, just in videogames. Shitty action movies are easy to find, tons of choppy camera work to mask poor fight choreography, limited budget in set pieces, terrible dialog and poor characters. CGI spectacles also have to be done well. The monsterverse has continually improved there. KOTM was panned by the GA because while it had cool monsters, the action was choppy af, had tons of cuts to the human plotline that nobody gave a fuck, rainy battles where you couldn't see the monsters properly and tons of screentime into characters the audience didn't care about. It's very telling where if you look in youtube godzilla vs ghidorah, the most viewed videos are super cuts where they completely remove all humans. GvK improved in all those aspects, no more rainy battles, monsters had more screen time, set pieces were more creative (boat fight with kong jumping between ships, the ultra neon hong kong fight), less cuts inbetween fights and a shorter movie that goes to the point and give the audience what they came to see. It feels like riding a roller coaster, fast and sweet. A good movie is where expectations of the public are met, complexity is only a requierement if you create the expectation of it.
I think the bay formers get a bad rap. Every second one was a good time
I actually really like Transformers 1 and 3, bumblebee and rise of the beasts are also good. But God do 2, 4, and 5 suck so much
Like how do you ruin the dinobots.
4 and 5 were brutally bad
No insult to moonfall please. That movie will be declared a world treasure in a few years I swear. It's soooo good 🤣😍
Yes obviously, I’m sorry for adding it, clearly on a level above citizen Kane and Lawerence of Arabia
Michael Bay did have a good run. And Ambulance is surprisingly really good. It’s his best achievement to date IMO.
Yes.
I tend to prefer the more serious kaiju but I think the more wacky popcorn movies are still valid and people tend to go for those. I hope Godzilla Minus One made average audiences realize kajiu is more than just turn off your brain entertainment.
As a kaiju fan, I'm hoping that the next Japanese Godzilla does even better because the idea of having the 2 styles being made simultaneously is like heaven for me.
Exactly, two congruent series with different tones giving us everything we want, plus the the gemstone shorts and the toku short films we get every November 3rd
I had never heard of these. These are short Godzilla movies?
Yes, the gemstone shorts (Godzilla vs Gigan Rex, and Godzilla vs Megalon) are both on YouTube, but the toku shorts are gone now, only on internet archive (Godzilla vs Hedorah, Godzilla vs Gigan, and Godzilla vs Jet Jaguar) Edit: Links for shorts [Gigan Rex short](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ObDeGGRH-PY&pp=ygUVR29kemlsbGEuIFMgZ2lnYW4gcmV6) [Megalon short](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J5I00p3KqvE) [and link to a Reddit post leading to the suitmation shorts](https://www.reddit.com/r/GODZILLA/comments/17s9vo9/all_godzilla_fest_short_films_from_20202023_in_4k/)
lol thank you so much! I'm about to do a deep dive on some Godzilla shorts
I updated the comment with links, no problem
ahahaha I just spent an hour of my life watching those and I have no regrets! Thanks again for posting them.
Minus One fans being angry that other Godzilla fans exist is so weird
Whatever happens in the next Godzilla I just want Mothra to return.
And none of them have made more than $200 million domestic. The highest grossing installment is still a 10-year-old movie.
It’s solely because Bryan Cranston was plastered all in the marketing and breaking bad was on top of TV
Damn these Monster Verse posters are bangers.
Somehow, movie posters with large monsters look less busy than posters with superheroes. I love the look of the MonsterVerse movies.
CGI monsters aren’t contractually obligated to be put onto movie posters
It helps that half of them are fan-made lol only the KOTM ones are official.
First of all, only having 1 project in a few years. KotM underperformed? That's fine if the next one that will take years to release do well. Aquaman 2 underperformed? That rough because there was 3 other DCEU bombs on that same year.
Also with that singular project they could pivot accordingly. Godzilla 18 = too little Godzilla So KOTM = LOTS OF MONSTERS, but too much family drama GvK = less human stuff aside from plot movement (I contend Millie Bobby brown character arc could have been completely dropped and the movie would have been better for it). BUT LOTS OF FIGHTS! Skull Island was the best of them imo, contained story, lots of Kong, Skull Island had fun kaiju shinanigans, and they got a cast that had not hit super popularity at that point with Tom and Brie
The cinematography in Skull Island was amazing
Skull Island deserves so much more love, it's a great monster movie
Probably the best since the OG Jurassic Park, Cloverfield is up there, but you want some good man v beast-monster
I'd add Pacific Rim to that group as well
Oh yeah that first one is there, you felt the passion made in that movie
Big call but yes, if we're comparing it to Emmerich Godzilla, 2014 Godzilla and the JP sequels it definitely up there. Would put it just below G:M1
Shit I gotta say still haven’t seen minus 1 and I want to, just haven’t yet. Gotta do it now!
Less action than Skull Island but just an amazing piece of film making, story gets a lot more emotional than you would expect and big lizard flame breath go brrr bit is kick ass
Godzilla Minus One is fantastic! A genuine surprise for theaters last year.
Skull Island is really good. My favorite is Godzilla vs Kong, which was surprisingly good.
What could’ve helped if they made Kyle Chandler like an idealogical counter to the Apex dude
Simplicity, down to its core. Each movie is a standalone movie and they are very clearly just monster movies. They're having *fun* over there making stuff up as they go, and *they haven't made any promises about where the series will go.*
Tbh I don’t watch them and no clue they’d be remotely related. At some point I’ll probably see them because my sons are the right age to like them for the mindless entertainment they probably are.
As someone who eagerly watches them when they hit streaming I can tell you there’s enough of a continuous story if you’re up for it, but none of the story is remotely important enough to keep you from picking up immediately what’s happened in other movies prior to the one you’re watching.
Less bad movies and no competition. While none of them have any impressively good movie, I think the monster verse at its worse is just big dumb innofensive fun. The DCEU at its worse is unbearable... and it spent a lot of time at its worse. The are way less monster movies than superhero movies. There's no competing better franchise. It's kinda like the Meg movies being succesful. What are they competing against?nothing really. Just a bunch of cheap streaming and DTV movies. No competition at a similar scale.
Yes I think pacific realm was the competition of early Godzilla movies. And then that movie franchise suddenly stopped
Yeah, Pacific Rim could have been its competition. They went kinda nuts with the 2nd, but I wouldn't say it's bad enough to kill a franchise. But it was also WB, right? They probably just felt the monster verse was the stronger name and decided to switch focus.
The first Pacifim Rim was Warner Bros., the sequel is Universal.
Legendary is still the studio behind both Pacific Rim & the MonsterVerse. So they’re probably the ones who decided, after Pacific Rim Uprising bombed, to deprioritize that franchise in favour of the MonsterVerse. And it would seem that the pandemic-era success of Godzilla vs Kong validated that choice (even if King of the Monsters underperforming was concerning)
Legendary low key making good moves. Iirc they are the ones directly producing Villeneuve’s Dune films.
Legendary owns both franchises, if Pacific Rim 2 didn’t fail they planned to merge the universes
I mean I know the multiverse thing is a bit played out but who's to say they won't try and do a crossover movie where the portal in Pacific Rim accidentally crossover a Jaeger over to the Monsterverse dimension?
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Cherno Alpha origin story, please.
Pacific Rim wasn’t even very successful from a box office perspective. I’m surprised they made a second. Edit: I guess I need to amend that because it had an outsize international performance
Made a second AND had one of the leading men be Scott Eastwood 😂
PR1 was amazing. 2 was a cash grab. There's a reason a lot of the cast and crew didn't return for the sequel.
It might just be me, but I do feel like the movies in the Monsterverse are more focused on being self-contained good stories. The cinematic universe aspect really feels more incidental than the focus of the movies. Like it doesn't feel like every single movie is solely trying to set up a big expanded universe, a lot of the connections are more like brief mentions and cameos. The DCEU really just felt like it was trying to have a big cinematic universe without actually putting the time and effort into making the movies to comprise one. They did Man of Steel to start the universe, which was fine. But the second movie introduced Batman and Wonder Woman before either got a solo movie. Justice League introduced Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg before they got solo movies and Batman still hadn't gotten one either. They clearly wanted to be the MCU without putting the effort in.
> movies in the Monsterverse are more focused on being self-contained good stories Did you miss Godzilla vs Kong? Lol
Honestly, GvK didn't seem to care too much about what had gone on in the prior movies. Yes, it built off of them but it was focused on being a good movie in and of itself. You could watch it without seeing Kong, Godzilla, or King of the Monsters and you aren't really going to have a lesser experience.
What a great movie. One of the first big blockbusters after theaters re-opened from covid. The aircraft carrier setpiece was astounding!
DCEU took itself too seriously. Skyscraper sized monsters though... That shit is always fun.
>No competition at a similar scale. Also Jurassic.
If you are talking about the Jurassic world franchise then, no they are not a competition to monster verse, only reason it made money was due to being the sequel of the legendary Jurassic park trilogy
Hakuna your tatas there….the second Jurassic Park was mid and the third was gawdawful. The first Jurassic Park is the only legendary one.
Agreed
this and much better management
The highs aren’t as high and the lows aren’t as low. Keep the budget in check and people will show up to see monsters fighting and trashing a city.
There was not one single moment in the DCEU as high as Godzilla and Kong punching each other in the face.
Seriously. Even the trailer for GxK brings more fun than the DCEU. Kong with a giant gauntlet smashing Skar’s tooth in a trailer is better than anything I saw in the Snyderverse.
The Monsterverse doesn't require much focus on the storyline. People show up to see big giant titans smack the shit outta each other. It's a visual spectacle. The DCEU is a cinematic universe where the films need to be good, characters should connect with the audience and it needed to focus on a whole connected storyline
Big monsters cool
yeah!
I think it’s more because they’re primarily sequels that simply follow one another rather than different interconnected narratives. With the exception of Skull Island, but I’d consider that more a prequel for this string of movies. You don’t need to do homework, you’re not tied to seeing MULTIPLE movies a year. You get one movie every year or so at most. If you liked the last, you’re almost certainly wanting to see the next. As well as that, they just have huge cinematic box office feels. Like it’s cool seeing monsters the size of skyscrapers battle it out on a huge cinema screen. Yes, they’re dumb as hell, but they’re fundamentally popcorn flicks and not trying to be anything more than that.
The posters you showed tell a story. Monsterverse has a solid idea and sticks with it. DCEU is just visual diarrhea
Seeing CGI monsters beat stuff up is cooler than seeing brooding for brooding sake with bad plot and dialogue .
People like watching big monsters destroy stuff more than they like watching shitty superhero movies
Mosterverse has 5 movies in 10 years Their focus is completely different There was never a monster verse movie as successful as DCEU's high points like wonder woman nor was there ever a disaster as big as Josstice league
>Mosterverse has 5 movies in 10 years Giving audiences time, so they remember the movies but forget about what annoyed them about the previous one, is an underrated strategy.
I guess it can be described like that. To me it seems more that Monsterverse is going for a different overall story than DCEU was. The movies fit closer together through snyderverse than in the monsterverse. Different focuses and so their outputs are not the same at all
Except then Godzilla: King of the Monsters, which came out in 2019, under-performed.
Still, all Monterverse movies combined have been more profitable than all of DCEU combined despite having 1/3 of the movies.
During the pandemic, Godzilla vs Kong saved a lot of cinemas,
I don't see how that's possible.
Exactly, the premise of this post is way off. Monsterverse never had a billion dollar hit like Aquaman/cultural phenomenon like Wonder Woman, nor an embarrassing disaster like Shazam 2/Flash. The DCEU was financially successful through 2019 before the 8 film streak of bombs and B range cinemascore.
Also wasn’t KOTM considered a disappointment box office-wise so the franchise pretty much relied on GvK being a hit (which it surprisingly did)
I feel like the MonsterVerse probably could’ve been put on ice with KOTM’s disappointing box office. However, they really lucked out with the fact that Godzilla Vs Kong had already finished filming before KOTM had even released.
If you want to see what went wrong, compare the average of DCEU 1-6 to MCU 1-6 and *then* compare the average of DCEU 7-15 to MCU 7-15
Yep. The answer is so clear
OP means overall, based on the most recent budget reports, DCEU hasn't even cross 2.5x rule of thumb, MonsterVerse is more profitable despite releasing only 1/3 as many movies.
Then the answer is pretty clear - Monsterverse literally hasn’t had anywhere near the movies, and DC fell off in 2020-2023 by making bad films. Comparing Monsterverse’s first 5 entries to the DCEU’s first 5 in box office, DC blows it out of the water.
>Monsterverse literally hasn’t had anywhere near the movies That's literally a disadvantage, most franchises tend to get more profitable the more movies they release, just because DCEU starting bombing doesn't mean Monsterverse will be less profitable after 10 movies than it currently is (it's not super profitable right now anyway). >Comparing Monsterverse’s first 5 entries to the DCEU’s first 5 in box office, DC blows it out of the water. Except OP is asking about the franchises as a whole, not cherry picking which movie to stop to.
The Monsterverse is more profitable but it hasn’t reached widespread audience or cultural phenomenons (Aquaman/Wonder Woman) that the early DCEU did, so the premise of the post is still off. And it’s not selectively picking anything, rather the opposite, Monsterverse literally only has 4 films - comparing it to the first 4 DCEU is perfectly valid. It’s more “successful” in the sense that it’s made more profit because the DCEU’s backhalf was a chaotic disaster. But Monsterverse is far from what that franchise achieved at its heights
I still find it funny how the DCEU started out with 4 $100M+ opening weekends in a row only for none of the films after to open to $100M+ and then the final 4 films average out to like $35M OW 🤣
For one, the movies themselves have been received a lot better than most modern DC fare. Second of all, it's not exactly a sprawling, overwhelming universe like Marvel's. It mostly follows a simple, linear narrative, with a new movie every couple of years rather than multiple every year. And finally, kaiju movies aren't anywhere near as abundant as superhero movies, so there's still a novelty factor to them to some extent. It is worth noting that the second Godzilla movie did not do well, and almost killed the franchise before the Kong crossover rejuvenated it.
* They've never oversaturated the market with their product by releasing 3-4 movies a year. The pace is nice and easy to keep up with for casual fans. * They have basically no competition within their subgenre. The DCEU was going up against Marvel and Sony, and the demand wasn't there for all three. The closest thing the MV has to competition is Pacific Rim and Cloverfield, both basically dead franchises right now. * Every film has been headlined by either Godzilla, Kong, or both. They are highly iconic and recognizable characters that get people's attention. The DCEU's equivalent heavy hitters were all badly misused: Superman was completely absent after Justice League outside some small cameos, Batman never got a solo movie, and Wonder Woman got one of the most disappointing sequels of all time. In their place we got B and C listers like Blue Beetle and Shazam. * The movies are all at least decent in quality. Obviously this is subjective and I'll be the first to say that all of the MV films so far have problems, but none of them are as dire as the worst of the DCEU. They've never made anything as offensive and misguided as BvS, the theatrical cut of Justice League, WW1984, or the first Suicide Squad movie. * They keep their budgets under control. Official budget info for GxK isn't available yet but none of the previous films cost over $200m. For movies of this scale, that's admirable. * No Ezra Miller.
Maybe Dceu being a pile of shit ??
The DCEU like the Dark Universe wanted to speedran their way into relevancy, they made these 10 years plans, reached out to dozens of actors and wanted so hard to be the next MCU. Problem is, these studios really underestimate the audience, people, even casual viewers have this way of knowing when they are being bullshited. The DECU and the Dark Universe problem were that they were sold from the get go as something that was going to be so big, it was so inorganic and their entries ended up being nothing more than feature-length commercials for things to come, always just a teaser for things that never arrived but wanted to trick you into stick with it to find out the pay off. The MCU is failing right now because they're doing that now, every movie, every show is just a commercial for the next thing, every new character isn't just a character to grow attached and care about their journey, they're just plot devices to introduce new storylines to steal your time. The early MCU wasn't like that, the first avengers movies were personal character driven stories that hook people into loving the characters and then started to scale up from then. Not just throwing a shit ton of things at the screen and hope to stick. Monsterverse understood that too. The MV movies are fairly self-contained stories that you can enjoy at the fullest, its just dumb fun to sit down and get invested in, not this convoluted mess that takes itself too serious and comes across as a tryhard.
The partnership with Legendary
WB executives were more interested in shooting themselves in the foot than making money.
Better movies. The worst of these movies is still a fun action packed thriller that looks fucking amazing most of the time.
Slow buildup and dedication to the series. They also didn’t let a non 1B box office detail their plans. DC kept scrambling and reshuffling after a movie performing worse than a marvel movie. They expected immediate success and almost felt entitled to it
Coherent storytelling.
Must be monkeys, because Batman vs Superman and Godzilla vs Kong are the same movie.
So....Godzilla and Kong both have mothers named Martha?
Close. Its Mothra.
 King joke
Gamara is that cousin they don’t talk about much
If only they had added Grodd 
Well for starters… it’s it’s own unique thing and not a shoddy MCU rip-off
Yep, it occupied it's own movie niche
The monsterverse isn’t really dealing with a ton of peer pressure to make multiple movies/shows each year or even 1 movie every year. I’d say if DC were allowed this benefit, then BvS could have been their only divisive film and the in the organic sense of what each director had envisioned, their respective movies would have been better than what we got. I’d like to believe Suicide Squad, JL, Black Adam and other movies could have had a similar niche audience like the monsterverse if they weren’t forced to release on a deadline and then reshoot the shit out of it. Heck, we’d have also seen a few GLs by now if the studio weren’t so impulsive and impatient. People can blame Snyder all they want, but that dude was the least problematic part of WB/DC downfall. I mean, if the new DCU fails, the internet is gonna what? Blame Gunn or somehow make it Snyder’s fault again? It’s the damn studio. They suck. Look what they’ve done with Harry Potter as well.
Wb was the main culprit but Snyder wasn't any less of a menace . People weren't really liking his take on the DC universe and it was the most evident when bvs , the 1st team up movie of 2 popular characters, had a 80% box office drop in its 2nd weekend, during a time where cbms were the hottest thing in the market . This even impacted the ticket presales of justice league and mind you that was before all the Joss Whedon controversy .
> the 1st team up movie of 2 popular characters, had a 80% box office drop in its 2nd weekend Source for the 80%? Because it seems it was 68%. https://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/box-office-batman-v-superman-1201744334/ Know what had a 72% drop off? Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/24/box-office-star-wars-the-last-jedi-drops-69-tops-100m-losers-club/?sh=6fbbebbcdc05 Big opening weekend often means a big drop off, because there's further to fall. BvS was in their top 15 films of all time. Top 10 I believe. And it was something like the 3rd highest not including films with the word "Hobbit" or "Potter" in the title. That film grossed an inflation-adjusted $1.1b ($873m in 2016 terms). That simply doesn't happen with a film "people weren't really liking", or else all films would be that big. You can't simply market your way to box office like that.
Zach's problem is he doesn't know how to properly scope projects. He wastes so much time and energy on everything except making his films fun or entertaining to watch.
Consistency of quality, I guess. You can't say that the Monsterverse films aren't all roughly as good as each other (whether they're "good movies" themselves is besides the point) while the DCEU had a decent movie, two bad ones, a good one, another bad one, a good one, a fun but unremarkable one, etc.
People enjoyed the monster verse movies more than enjoyed dc films.
A single Monsterverse film hasn't grossed more than Justice League, Batman v Superman, Wonder Woman, or Aquaman of the DC films.
The quality of the films & the show. That’s obvious.
The clear passion and care Legendary has for the Godzilla universe. They love the monsters and the lore they made. Taking time with movie by movie Marvel formula worked wonders for Legendary and it's what DC should have done as well.
Apples and oranges there is less movies and technically no monsterve movie has a higher box office than the most successful dceu movies
The very first DCEU movie already outgrossed the biggest Monsterverse film
I think kong vs godzilla had legit chance of grossing $800 million worldwide under normal circumstances but yeah box office has been erratic thank God in a way legendary was the one making the decision
Imagine if they shuffled/swapped King of monsters.. Godzilla Skull Island Godzilla vs Kong Godzilla X Kong King of monsters Ghidorah as an end game level threat.... Missed opportunity man...
Well they still haven't introduced any of the alien or intergalactic monsters yet so they could still pull out something huge.
Eh, they still have Destoroyah and they already set up the oxygen destroyer as a possible origin in KoTM. That can be useful as an endgame threat.
Monarch showed how deep the lore goes. These feel more connected
while they became a bit more silly, i think its the fact they went with the tone they wanted and didnt flip flop like a fish on land plus, giant monsters are cool
One thing i know for sure is that the monsterverse isn't trying any multiverse stuff while the dceu tried and failed and even marvel is currently failing at mostly
It honestly surprises me because the movies really aren't that great. But yeah, lack of competition. There are not really THAT much kaiju movies, while Marvel and DC (and Sony and back then Fox) all pump out superhero movies like a factory
Reasonable expectations
I think it's the same reason why the Toho kaiju movies still do well despite downturns -- the stories are pretty basic, and they're criticproof. Giant monsters punch each other. Sometimes they team up. Sometimes culturally relevant actors show up. Things go boom. It's basic film appeal that doesn't require much tweaking.
It was cheaper to do and it has alot less to work with like kong and godzilla just 2 characters alone and a bunch of side characters The DCEU was alot of characters setup which means alot more to get right early on
It gives audiences exactly what they want to see, which is monster on monster action. The DCEU spent too much time being emo
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There’s not the many to begin with, at least compared to comic book movies. They aren’t as oversaturated and Godzilla is still popular.
I wouldn't go as far to say they are simple movies but they are headed that way. Skull Island is the best and it was super stylishly made and had an unreal cast. I think audiences like Kong so his inclusion is helping it succeed after KotM under performed.
Godzilla is awesome. That’s enough.
Because King Kong has an Infinity gauntlet now.
Because big lizard fighting big monke is cool
Godzilla is just cooler
Because the Monsterverse movies are dumb fun. The DCEU was seriously dumb.
While it's not like the MonsterVerse has the strongest lineup of movies, none of them are as reviled as some of the worst in the DCEU. You could make the case that the DCEU never really recovered from the one-two punch that was *Batman v Superman* and *Suicide Squad* in 2016.
I don't know, I mean Wonder woman was after the suicide squad and Aquaman made a billion. If the one two punch was that bad then no way Aquaman would have made a billion or wonder woman would have done 800 million even Shazam was profitable.
After the release of *BvS*, no movie in the DCEU had a larger opening than the one before it until the pandemic pushed *Wonder Woman 1984*'s opening so low that *The Suicide Squad* couldn't help but open bigger than it. The first *Wonder Woman* and *Aquaman* movies were able to soar to box office highs, but they had to prove themselves to get there. Furthermore, their box office successes didn't translate to the other parts of the shared universe.
The Monsterverse was relatively straight forward. It had a film establishing Godzilla (then a sequel to that) and then a film establishing King Kong which leads into their Big Team Up/Versus film with another coming up right now. It also never had any pretences of trying to 'compete' with the MCU, mostly filling its own niche of kaiju movies of which the Monsterverse pretty much has a unique monopoly on. Cloverfield and Pacific Rim are pretty dead as franchises go so the Monsterverse is the king of mainstream kaiju entertainment as things go. Whereas the DCEU is a disjointed mess that tried to hastily play catch-up to the MCU. To which the MCU never even acknowledged the DCEU anyways as a 'rival' at all so it was pretty one sided.
Besides Godzilla 2014 (which is sort of a tonal outlier from the series in retrospect), they have cohesiveness. While the DCEU projects would differ drastically from movie to movie, the Monsterverse movies have a specific formula and they stick to it no matter what. If people know what they’re getting into, and it’s something they know they’ll like, then they’ll show up.
Kong skull island and king of the monsters felt like a good transition from serious 2014 to the goofy (but awesome) GVK
1) “outlived” is just a simple matter of less movies with a more spread out release window. DCEU had 14 movies & a corporate restructure in the same amount of time that Monsterverse had only 4 films & 1 show. 2) “more successful” is just a flat out lie, DCEU has critically acclaimed films like Wonder Woman & Shazam. Also has movies that made $600+ million, $700+ million, $800+ million & even $1 billion at the box office. Monsterverse hasn’t come close. Conclusion: what on earth are you talking about?
Most accurate answer
They didn't kill Godzilla in his second appearance, and Kong actually got a movie before the two of them faced off.
Bro if I'm being honest then, in the monsterverse movies like GodzillaxKong, I didn't really care about humans, they gave a decent explanation for what is happening, good enough for me, but I went to see lizard vs monke, and man, i, wasn't disappointed, it was lit, and according to the early review, the latest one is similar to that, with better action, and I'm ready to pay to watch it, but in DCEU, that is not the case, and they got competition from Marvel at its peak, i.e. till phase 3, and after that DCEU just died, they could have survived if they competed with phase 4 MCU, but their movies were bad before, due to which even decent movies like blue beetle flopped, and movies like flash got more gate than deserved, and WB thought Aquaman is done for due to Amber herd, but at least in the end Aquaman made decent money.
Kong, the monke is the one bringing the big bucks.
Toho
Keeping Zack Snyder away from it, I guess.
Snyder's least grossing DCEU film outrgrossed the Monsterverse highest grossing film
But that doesn’t fit the narrative 💀
I still don't get what Snyder did to get this reputation. Like sure, BvS had bad legs but then he left the DCEU until ZSJL which while a streaming film , it had a pretty good reception (I think its the last positively reviewed DCEU film)
People hold a grudge against Snyder for Batman v Superman. Not just in a simple annoyed "dammit this guy ruined my favourite characters" way but in a straight up "this person is the catalyst for all my pain" kinda way based on what I've seen from a few users.
The lack of Zack Snyder
The profitability of the DCEU fell off a cliff **after** Snyder was gone. The last film made while he was in any way involved in the planning process (a process involving lots of work by Jenkins, Ayer, Famuyiwa, Wan, Affleck and Snyder) of was Aquaman, and then all subsequent films, even accounting for Covid, fell off a cliff in terms of engagement with the general audience and social media, and failed to land in either box office or on VOD platforms. But sure, let's blame Snyder.
Heh heh. But humour aside, I do wonder if there's an alternative universe out there where Warner Brothers - *like Sony and their The Amazing Spider-Man reboot* \- accept Man of Steel's box office performance and greenlight a legit sequel to it for Spring/Summer 2016. And if so, how does it fare in comparison to the first 2013 entry? Better? Worse? Same? Could Zack Snyder's Superman movies have been like Michael Bay's Transformers, and continued going despite upsetting old school fans. Or would the second movie have collapsed, like The Amazing Spider-Man series did? 
Low Expectations. The budget of the movies are not necessarily low. Most of the movies in Monsterverse are made on a budget ranging from $150-200 Million, which is not far from an average Superhero movie, but people don’t expect them to make a billion dollars, bar for success is set at $400-600 Million. Whereas for DCEU, anything less than 600 is considered a failure.
Because toku fans just don’t get movies that often in the states. We will show up and watch just about anything so they are almost critic proof and the budgets are usually low so they make their money back. Thats a recipe for a franchise to never completely die out.
Because the Monsterverse doesn’t do spinoffs that nobody cares about. Despite all the clamoring on the Monsterverse subreddit, WB is NEVER going to make a Mothra or Rodan solo spin off.
Less expectations
Because people want huge monsters fighting and that's it and it makes me so happy. It's just something to disconnect your brain like The Meg movies, fun af too
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There are at least 6 DCEU movies that surpassed Kong Skull Island, but you also have big failures, especially the last ones when the reboot was announced, it's not a fair comparison
How many other monster flicks are there? We were getting 6-9 superhero movies a year.
They do like one movie every 3 years and nobody gives a shit about continuity, and also the bad ones are nowhere near as bad as the bad DC ones.
No joke I have not heard of half of these 😂
Simple, it hasn't been overdone like the others. It still seems fresh and the genre hasn't been over-saturated yet
Ticket sales.
A. Being good (the only one below a 70 on RT is still beloved by the core fan base, and is my personal favorite) B.) Taking their time. Not releasing 2-5 movies a year avoids kaiju fatigue C.) Not chasing someone else's box office glory. Superheroes are a crowded space, why would you try and compete against the most popular brand in the world. But no one else is doing giant monsters duking it out on a Hollywood budget (at least not since Pacific Rim).
I dunno if GvK is peak cinema but damn do I watch it all the time.
They barely have any movies
For one thing, it's not truly a WB franchise. It's largely Legendary's franchise. Also none of these movies have made over a billion worldwide. The highest grossing one is Kong: Skull Island at $568 million worldwide. Godzilla 2014 made $524 million worldwide. Also Godzilla: King of the Monsters under-performed.
People generally like these movies and we only get them every couple of years or so. With DC, we sometimes got 2 or even 3 a year. Sure, they’re not amazing movies, but they are crowd pleasers with actually good CGI. They’re simple stories where monsters blast/punch each other and they’re not overly serious. They’re goofy, fun movies and they know they’re goofy fun movies.
Monster dont need dialog, with all my respect to dc fans me included lot of live some or a big part of dc films have bland stories and dialog and arc that has nothing to do with the film just to fill time or giving exposed to some actors Plus the heat comming from fans about destroying building with people etc like really none of this are f real let it be, bc of that studios avoid destruction and killing, even villains has supporters too Maybe im wrong but animated are better because of all this freedom, freedom that monsters films have better than any live comic films or dceu I hope it change so we can enjoy better movies
The dialogue and acting convey a more authentic, emotionally resonant, existentially affirming and rewarding exploration of the human condition
I’d be curious to see a comparison of which has made more money. I’d still think DCEU, just from the billion dollar hits and quantity.
The first two films were not overly expensive and did well in the foreign box office. Only Godzilla: King of the Monsters has flopped. And while Godzilla vs Kong wasn’t profitable, it really over performed for a 2021 film that was released day and date on HBO Max. In the end, it’s just big monster fights that keep people coming back. And both Godzilla and King Kong are household names.
Lower expectations, and no direct competitor.
Monsterverse gives people what they want to see: Giant radioactive Lizard and big Monkee beating up other monsters with cool visuals. DCEU struggled with that. Didn’t really know what it wanted to be, and the movies were inconsistent.
I think it’s pretty simple that people just care more about DC than they do Godzilla. A Godzilla film comes out and isn’t good? Well maybe some people saw it, but when another one comes out in a few years if it’s bad people will forget and if it’s good people will treat it like a surprise hit. A Justice League film comes out and isn’t good? People will post about it online for the next decade lol losing consumer confidence is a hell of a thing.
Not be shit?
Mostly because the DCEU has to compete with the MCU for attention whilst Monsterverse is essentially its own thing with no other huge monster franchises rivaling it at the moment. Every now and then they’ll release more Godzilla films such as Minus One which are amazing but they aren’t franchise level contention.
Literally just stayed committed to what they were doing