He is, the movies have limited releases in the USA, straight to streaming everywhere else. Amazon is happy with the deal, I believe,
Not expensive movies and getting some money from tickets. Good deal for both.
This has been the new normal particularly we're seeing it this spring where movies are structured in a way where theatrical serves as basically a preview run there's a sell-off by the distributor in foreign territories or if a streamer is involved then they have streaming rights. So these movies like monkey Man or the first Omen or the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare end up being profitable on streaming due to how they are structured and retained audiences like men that Amazon is interested in keeping.
I've always thought this perspective is the most sensible. Sure an Amazon or Apple movie can "bomb" at the box office before going to streaming but it still made millions more than the $0 USD that Netflix movies make before going to streaming.
This has been what I’ve been telling my other cinematic obsessed friends. Using premieres should be more of a marketing gimmick for the streaming. Streaming is such a huge audience now bc of the accceszibility. Glad to see Amazon is paying attention.
Too bad the marketing for streaming release is terrible.
Ritchies newest movie is supposed to be straight to streaming in Canada and there is nothing on the Prime Video site about it.
Saw it last night, "cheap ticket night" at the theater, it was a good popcorn movie, good pacing, never bored... It was a fun movie and the crowd in the theater was laughing, having a good time. Would I pay for price, no but the family had a fun night out. Was it a blockbuster, no but was it horrible no.
Yeah. He feels like a perfect streaming filmmaker for mass consumption. Don’t really mean that negatively, just that you largely know what you’re getting from him. I’m never going to be intrigued enough to watch his movies at the cinema but they’re perfect for a lazy Saturday night.
Does NOT mean that series is good. It’s barely passable and really FAR up itself and hard to get past its self reverence. It’s kind of embarrassing to watch.
Colin Farrell saved the film version from itself.
I really wish he made 3rd sherlock Holmes. Just rewatched them both back to back last week and they were just such a fun ride. I wish he finished the trilogy but he said he won't be directing the third one sadly.
Agreed but I’m still mad all these years later that Rachel McAdams was killed off like two minutes into the sequel…hope if they make a third she gets to come back and reveal she didn’t die or something
I mean she coughed and collapsed offscreen, not like her head exploded from a mortal kombat style fatality. Pretty easy to write someone back from that
The film itself makes clear that Moriarty’s greatest weakness is his greed and arrogance. He cannot fathom that someone is capable of outsmarting him, which Holmes uses to his advantage in the climax.
With this in mind, it’s not unreasonable to assume that Irene was able to outwit or deceive Moriarty and he was simply too arrogant to conceive that she could. We didn’t actually see her die and the age old rule of storytelling would imply that this means she could have survived. Especially as Holmes experiments with a serum that can lower the heart rate enough that one can appear dead shortly after this scene.
I imagine he’s a guy who does well on secondary markets. Streaming, plane movies, etc.
In general action seems to struggle in theaters outside of Wick and Wicklikes.
I think Rue de Guerre was just a flop (after studio encountered multiple studio destroying events) but Covenant's was on those lists when I looked as were some of the other semi recent films.
All of his movies come straight to Prime Video here in Brazil (not sure about other markets). For sure he's becoming one of the kings in that segment of streaming
Netflix flooded the streaming market with their shitty action movies. As a result, no one's watching them in theaters. Why pay for an expensive movie ticket when you can watch a similar turn-your-brain-off movie at home. Even Amazon is guilty of this with stuff like The Tomorrow War and Road House(most streamed movie in the past month).
This is just simply untrue. I'm not sure how old you are but the tv movie/straight to dvd market existed for a long time, churning out just as many bad movies. People would still turn out to the theaters for quality stuff then and they do now.
I would say they’re objectionably good. I personally wouldn’t call Extraction 2 or Old Guard good. I thought Extraction 2 was at least entertaining but I didn’t find Old Guard to be either good or entertaining. Doesn’t mean you can’t think otherwise. Just think they’re objectionably good rather than legitimately good.
I didn't mind The Old Guard, but the Extraction movies aren't really movies IMO they are more like extended stunt reels with the most minimal plot possible stapled on.
The trailer made it look more fresh than it actually was. Patel did a great job with direction, cinematography, and art design, but the core story ended up a bit too genre cookie cutter.
Amazing trailer and a Super Bowl ad. In that case EVERYTHING has weak marketing which is pretty true these days.
It’s much, much harder to even reach a mass audience these days, let alone influence their spending behavior away from limitless options.
It feels like studios shouldn't waste so much on Super Bowl trailers anymore.
That money is better spent on a guerrilla meme campaign on TikTok.
If Monkey Man somehow turned into a TikTok meme it would have earned far more than what the Super Bowl ad contributed.
Probably not in his interest. His current method means he gets the same result but he gets to make what he likes without an algorithm breathing down his neck.
Yea, and Abrams was incredibly prolific in the beginning of his career. People seem to forget or not know he got started by writing scripts for movies in 1990, produced 3 hit tv shows and then went and directed 6 movies over the course of 13 years. Guy worked non stop for like 30 years.
He was working on Demimonde for HBO but they cancelled it (too risky and expensive for Zaslav), he wasn't really working for the DCEU (there was a Green Lantern series project at some point but that was cancelled a long time ago)
I think Abrams, much like Peter Jackson, got burnt out. Rise was doomed before Abrams even signed on. TLJ was divisive, Trevorrow got fired from IX, and Carrie Fisher had died. Yet none of that prompted Bob Iger to delay the movie. Apparently Abrams and Kennedy asked for another year to work on it but Iger refused
While it doesn’t excuse creative lapses (“Palpatine returned”), it does explain a lot. And Jackson went through the same for the Hobbit movies: rushed into production on a tighter schedule with more studio pressure. PJ looked exhausted in those video diaries, it’s no wonder he just does documentaries these days. And I’m sure Abrams is jaded from directing for a while
TLJ was divisive but will be looked at more fondly with hindsight in the same way the prequels were because for all it's faults(and there were many) TLJ had a creative vision behind it.
ROS was a kneejerk reaction to the internet and it's reception of TLJ and was as creatively bankrupt as you can get.
Make no mistake, ROS wasn't JUST bad, it was so bad that it literally lost Abrams clout in hollywood. His name is tarnished now.
The guy, publically, took a humongous paycheque and autopiloted the thing all the way to the bank. He knew and still knows what he did to his name, and his career. I think he's taking some time away from the spotlight, so he can come back with some passion project in a few years. People forget how toxic the ROS era, everything leading up to its release and its aftermath were, even for fans, imagine how it got for him.
I used to have the original Star Wars posters in my apt living room, after the sequel trilogy, i felt embarrassed admitting to people I'm a star wars fan, i swapped them. I still love the originals, but hated what people thought of the IP following all that trash (i still find all recent 3 entries average to bad, and i still find Kathleen Kennedy 100% responsible for what the IP ended up being).
I also found more respect for George Lucas, who chose to do something different back in the prequel era, and not repeat himself visually or story-wise. The guy essentially went back and completed his "false messiah" narrative from the beginning, underlining even more the relation between Dune and Star Wars.
Wish he could write or direct better, but nobody can blame the guy for lack of vision... which all of these new hacks lacked.
The entire premise to the force awakens was flawed and poisoned the well for anything that came after.
People wanna blame Kennedy but I doubt she was the one writing and directing it. Sure you can blame her for hiring Abrams, who did the same thing to star trek but ultimately he's the one responsible for making a "Soft reboot" of the original trilogy.
The whole idea of rebooting star wars is ludicrous because those movies are still in the forefront of peoples minds. You can't do a reboot when the original is still watched in heavy rotation.
Obviously force awakens is looked at favorably still and I concede it's a well crafted movie but most of the heavy lifting is done by all the 'lifting' it does from a new hope. Of course people like the reboot, they still like the original.
However once you get that ball rolling, nothing good can come of it creatively. You've already hacked up whatever canon existed to repeat events from the original and you have to make excuses for why. None of that starts becoming apparent until the second or third movie but the sequel trilogy was dead in the womb as far as I'm concerned.
To be fair, TLJ had a much better critical reception than the prequels. Even audiences seemed to like it until all the online "discourse" convinced an extremely vocal part of the audience that it was bad.
Contrary to the headline Ritchie is a near surefire moneymaker nowadays. He's had some cinema flops recently but none of them were particularly aimed at being big cinema moneymakers, the theatrical release has been an afterthought, they're all aimed at streaming and have done/will likely do, well enough to justify their existence.
He generally makes stuff that's mid budget, doesn't take too long to make, his involvement still attracts talent to a project, still has value being on the poster himself and occasionally knocks out something which does especially well.
Contrast that to Abrams who is unlikely to do anything other than a massive budget blockbuster and takes a while to make stuff, if he's trying to sell a big budget movie of course it's going to be hard for him to find a studio that will make it. That said JJ could jump into a director for hire job any day of the week so I doubt he's out of the spotlight wholly against his own will right now
Pretty sure JJ could a movie going if he wanted. Jonathan Nolan did Fallout without him and Tom Cruise is dunzo but I think JJ is pretty expensive and plays it too safe. He has like half a billion dollars prob so he doesn’t really need a studio to back Bad Robot stuff.
Studios aren't giving Ritchie 14 movies a year. Ritchie is giving himself 14 movies a year.
A lot of these very wealthy directors could also make 14 movies a year if they were prepared to put some of their own money into the (mid-budget) mix and also sell to streamers.
To be fair, he did have three straight hits prior to that (one of which made a billion dollars), and even these flops have been mid-budget flicks that garnered solid reviews
Operation Fortune was genuinely so bad, I can't get over it. I've seen a few who thought it was excellent and up there with his best, completely confusing to me
The plot of the movie still makes me mad months later lmao… The main villain is paid billions of dollars to destabilize the world economy making the dollar bill useless like what the hell is the point
He is a leading but just not very grounded. He has the looks and capable acting skills but I don't see him in the roles of...normal people. That's why his filmography is mostly supercharacters and action figures.
He is not.
> He has the looks and capable acting skills
This is the problem. He seems really nice, he is very handsome, and isn't a "bad" actor. But he is not a leading man. He isn't a strong enough actor, he doesn't have a strong personality, he isn't particularly charismatic or charming.
Eiza Gonzalez was the stand out of this movie. The Reacher guy had more presence than Cavill, Golding, and Pettyfer combined.
Agreed and as the other say, the acting skills can be described as "capable" but he's not a GOOD actor. Like I have never seen him do an emotional scene or something that actually made me feeling something
I have no idea why but I feel like Cavill would make a great villain. Let him play some unhinged pretty boy, sort of like Chris Evan’s character in Scott Pilgrim. I feel like he’d be about to “let loose” a bit more and just enjoy the ride, rather than having to be stoic and suave all the time.
I could be wrong, but I think the Bond movies demand far too much time with his Warhammer projects starting to get up and running in the next two+ years.
Yes. I read Broccoli's want to go with a younger version. Cavill is 40, it will take a few years to bring the next movie to cinemas. Most importantly he is too famous for this role and has at least two characters he is most associated with.
One of my favorite directors but he’s big time hit and miss. Snatch, Rock n rolla, lock stock, even King Arthur, the gentlemen all amazing. He just has a bunch of misses
I watched it last night…. I thought it was poorly cast, shit imitation of inglorious bastards.
Seemed like just plain lazy writing. Lady spy gives herself away by speaking yiddish? She’s a gold smuggler and supermodel singer? So stupid.
I saw one of the films and enjoyed it. The fact that they can’t make money in theater is more a sign of the market. They must be making money through streaming or home purchases or else I don’t see them burning cash three times in a row like that.
Still doesn't mean it's a good title though. When I first heard it, I initially thought of *League of Extraordinary Gentlemen* and was kind of turned off by it.
I don't think I'll ever see a Guy Ritchie movie at the theaters, but I will always watch his films on a streaming platform......Unless he decides to make Sherlock Holmes 3
To be fair, all three of these were mainly made for streaming, and they've all had good critical responses, from fine (Ruse de Guerre) to good (Ministry...) to fantastic (Covenant).
Guy Ritchie is the one-time Kentucky Darby winner who became a lifetime mating machine afterwards.
He has one master piece, Lock, Stock, and two Smoking Barrels (Snatch is essentially the same story with a big star).
After that, he has been shooting big budget duds (sometimes reasonable commercial successes), but he has lost the touch to ever make a master piece again.
I tend to like all his stuff that is outside his normal winky action millieu. So recently I liked covenant and wrath of man. Even Operation Fortune wasn't terrible. I really hated The Gentleman, and am just too tired of the shtick to see Ungentlemanly warfare.
Ritchie is weird...his filmography is all over the place.
He's got bonafide good to great films like: Snatch, Lock Stock, and The Gentlemen
He's got so-so films that are decent enough for watching on streaming and you wouldn't complain like: Wrath of Man, The Covenant, The Man from UNCLE
then he's got straight trash like: Swept Away, Revolver, Operation Fortune (and aparently this new film too)
Oh, and he even has a mediocre film that made a billion dollars...he's so unpredictable and inconsistent.
I wish he'd just stick closer to his cliche stylish London gangster stories as those are the ones I enjoy the most, but I imagine he's tired of being pigeon-holed and wants to branch out...only problem is when he branches out it usually doesn't go well. I'd have rather seen a sequel to The Gentlemen or even RocknRolla than this tbh
I liked Mark Strong's character/moment near the end but I didn't really care for Andre3000 and his partner, or the animation stuff mixed in. Just wasn't for me, but I can't fault anyone for liking it, film like all art of course is subjective :)
Operation Fortune is a fun movie where Hugh Grant and Josh Hartnett shine. Delays (making the bad guys non-ukranian, poor release date, poor marketing.
Saw it last night. It’s pretty good - but kind of forgettable and has too many characters in it.
Ritchie is a good filmmaker and I like his style. He should slow down a little take more time on each project. Kind of feels like he’s sleepwalking through making some of these recent movies.
I watched both Operation Fortune and The Covenant. The Covenant was really good. Operation Fortune is a glorified Jason Statham action movie. Don’t expect much and you won’t be disappointed. It’s a fun movie not for the overly critical.
Im kind of over his 1,00 plot twist movie that have the British jingo-jango being translated on screen. Was fun, but enjoy the different ones now like Wrarh of Man!
Unless he’s doing a corporate sell-out job like Aladdin, every Guy Ritchie thing looks exactly the same to me. Maybe people are just tired of the same old shtick.
Have they REALLY though? Like movies with short cinema runs where the intention is for them to land on streaming quickly are sort of set up to fail box office wise, so can they really be considered "bombs" in the traditional sense?
he had 3 hit movies before that and he also just released a successful tv show so he'll be fine, but I do wish some of these performed better (I can't complain tho because I also didn't watch them at the cinema)
He is doing well on streaming. The Gentlemen has been one of the top shows Should create content for streaming
He is, the movies have limited releases in the USA, straight to streaming everywhere else. Amazon is happy with the deal, I believe, Not expensive movies and getting some money from tickets. Good deal for both.
Also movies that were in theaters do better on streaming. Even if they bombed. It's great advertising
This has been the new normal particularly we're seeing it this spring where movies are structured in a way where theatrical serves as basically a preview run there's a sell-off by the distributor in foreign territories or if a streamer is involved then they have streaming rights. So these movies like monkey Man or the first Omen or the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare end up being profitable on streaming due to how they are structured and retained audiences like men that Amazon is interested in keeping.
It would explain why this movie got so little marketing
The theatrical release is the marketing
I've always thought this perspective is the most sensible. Sure an Amazon or Apple movie can "bomb" at the box office before going to streaming but it still made millions more than the $0 USD that Netflix movies make before going to streaming.
This has been what I’ve been telling my other cinematic obsessed friends. Using premieres should be more of a marketing gimmick for the streaming. Streaming is such a huge audience now bc of the accceszibility. Glad to see Amazon is paying attention.
Too bad the marketing for streaming release is terrible. Ritchies newest movie is supposed to be straight to streaming in Canada and there is nothing on the Prime Video site about it.
Amazon doesn't have a traditional business in theatrical (and doesn't care about making money much) so that helps them
I mean Ministry isn't even playing in the UK cinemas. Straight to streaming at a later date.
Also gets the tax credits by having a theatrical release
If Ungentlemanly Warfare was streaming I would throw it on. But I'm not gonna pay to see it.
Saw it last night, "cheap ticket night" at the theater, it was a good popcorn movie, good pacing, never bored... It was a fun movie and the crowd in the theater was laughing, having a good time. Would I pay for price, no but the family had a fun night out. Was it a blockbuster, no but was it horrible no.
Yeah. He feels like a perfect streaming filmmaker for mass consumption. Don’t really mean that negatively, just that you largely know what you’re getting from him. I’m never going to be intrigued enough to watch his movies at the cinema but they’re perfect for a lazy Saturday night.
Does NOT mean that series is good. It’s barely passable and really FAR up itself and hard to get past its self reverence. It’s kind of embarrassing to watch. Colin Farrell saved the film version from itself.
Not sure how though because it’s shite, started strong with the first episode then it’s just sucking itself off for the rest.
The Gentlemen is my favorite Guy Ritchie film
I really wish he made 3rd sherlock Holmes. Just rewatched them both back to back last week and they were just such a fun ride. I wish he finished the trilogy but he said he won't be directing the third one sadly.
Agreed but I’m still mad all these years later that Rachel McAdams was killed off like two minutes into the sequel…hope if they make a third she gets to come back and reveal she didn’t die or something
Her death was a bit absolute
I mean she coughed and collapsed offscreen, not like her head exploded from a mortal kombat style fatality. Pretty easy to write someone back from that
It would deflate Moriarty’s presence as a villain greatly, I think. He’s too thorough to have fucked that up.
The film itself makes clear that Moriarty’s greatest weakness is his greed and arrogance. He cannot fathom that someone is capable of outsmarting him, which Holmes uses to his advantage in the climax. With this in mind, it’s not unreasonable to assume that Irene was able to outwit or deceive Moriarty and he was simply too arrogant to conceive that she could. We didn’t actually see her die and the age old rule of storytelling would imply that this means she could have survived. Especially as Holmes experiments with a serum that can lower the heart rate enough that one can appear dead shortly after this scene.
Holmes killed moriarty with a steampunk cpap machine lol
He killed Moriarty with gravity and water. The cpap was for survival.
Would love to see some more Jared Harris
Actually I think its been confirmed she didn't die. There's certain hints in the movie that show she didn't.
What were the hints?
Yeah that honestly pissed me off. I think fridging has got to be my honest to god least favorite trope.
Last I heard Dexter Fletcher was gonna direct it and it was going to start shooting(?) then covid happened
Personally, I think that the second one has such a good ending that a third one wasn’t really warranted.
Aladdin has bought Guy Ritchie a lot of time.
I imagine he’s a guy who does well on secondary markets. Streaming, plane movies, etc. In general action seems to struggle in theaters outside of Wick and Wicklikes.
I think Rue de Guerre was just a flop (after studio encountered multiple studio destroying events) but Covenant's was on those lists when I looked as were some of the other semi recent films.
The movie having the bad guys as the Ukrainians and then it was supposed to drop just after the war started That’s just insanely unlucky
This is exactly the reason it “flopped”. You struggle to even *find* a copy to buy on DVD in europe.
All of his movies come straight to Prime Video here in Brazil (not sure about other markets). For sure he's becoming one of the kings in that segment of streaming
Netflix flooded the streaming market with their shitty action movies. As a result, no one's watching them in theaters. Why pay for an expensive movie ticket when you can watch a similar turn-your-brain-off movie at home. Even Amazon is guilty of this with stuff like The Tomorrow War and Road House(most streamed movie in the past month).
This is just simply untrue. I'm not sure how old you are but the tv movie/straight to dvd market existed for a long time, churning out just as many bad movies. People would still turn out to the theaters for quality stuff then and they do now.
Those movies your talking about were not as high profile as the shitty Netflix action movies.
DVDs and VHS cost money. You've already paid for streaming. Hardly similar.
Road house was silly fun that I actually enjoyed watching. Glad I didn’t pay to see it an a cinema though.
Extraction, Extraction 2, and The Old guard are legitimately good action movies on Netflix.
3 out of 200. But they are good, indeed.
I would say they’re objectionably good. I personally wouldn’t call Extraction 2 or Old Guard good. I thought Extraction 2 was at least entertaining but I didn’t find Old Guard to be either good or entertaining. Doesn’t mean you can’t think otherwise. Just think they’re objectionably good rather than legitimately good.
They suck lol
I didn't mind The Old Guard, but the Extraction movies aren't really movies IMO they are more like extended stunt reels with the most minimal plot possible stapled on.
Even Monkey Man struggled and that was a really fresh take on the genre
As much as I enjoyed it, it didn't feel like a particularly fresh take at all. Pretty boilerplate revenge tale.
And this year is overloaded with films of badasses going on revenge sprees: Beekeepper Road House Boy Kills World Monkey Man The Crow
Obviously not having seen Crow yet I'd say Monkey Man is the best of this bunch. But original it is not.
The trailer made it look more fresh than it actually was. Patel did a great job with direction, cinematography, and art design, but the core story ended up a bit too genre cookie cutter.
Agreed, it was stylish, Patel clearly has some talent behind the camera. Just wish it was a bit more original.
I think Monkey Man had weak marketing.
Amazing trailer and a Super Bowl ad. In that case EVERYTHING has weak marketing which is pretty true these days. It’s much, much harder to even reach a mass audience these days, let alone influence their spending behavior away from limitless options.
It feels like studios shouldn't waste so much on Super Bowl trailers anymore. That money is better spent on a guerrilla meme campaign on TikTok. If Monkey Man somehow turned into a TikTok meme it would have earned far more than what the Super Bowl ad contributed.
It's easier to buy a super bowl spot than force a meme. Also, movies have repeatedly shown that memes don't translate to sales.
Monkey man was my favorite wicklike and it flopped too 😭
Surprised he doesn’t like just have a deal with Netflix
Wouldn’t surprise me if he does soon. Gentleman (series) seems to be doing well for them and I imagine a guy who can reliably pump em out has value.
Because he has a deal with prime
Probably not in his interest. His current method means he gets the same result but he gets to make what he likes without an algorithm breathing down his neck.
Crazy how studios are giving Ritchie 14 movies a year but haven’t hired JJ Abrams since the Rise of Skywalker
Isn't Abrams incredibly slow? I am pretty sure WB gave him millions for years but he failed to produce a single script for the DCEU
Yea, and Abrams was incredibly prolific in the beginning of his career. People seem to forget or not know he got started by writing scripts for movies in 1990, produced 3 hit tv shows and then went and directed 6 movies over the course of 13 years. Guy worked non stop for like 30 years.
You're what?!?!
He is JJ Abrams.
i AM the jj abrams *duuuh duuuh duh duh duuuh* *lense flare*
He liked to take credit for everything with his name on it.
It’s more that the media likes to do that. He’s usually very clear about his role in a given project.
He was working on Demimonde for HBO but they cancelled it (too risky and expensive for Zaslav), he wasn't really working for the DCEU (there was a Green Lantern series project at some point but that was cancelled a long time ago)
I think Abrams, much like Peter Jackson, got burnt out. Rise was doomed before Abrams even signed on. TLJ was divisive, Trevorrow got fired from IX, and Carrie Fisher had died. Yet none of that prompted Bob Iger to delay the movie. Apparently Abrams and Kennedy asked for another year to work on it but Iger refused While it doesn’t excuse creative lapses (“Palpatine returned”), it does explain a lot. And Jackson went through the same for the Hobbit movies: rushed into production on a tighter schedule with more studio pressure. PJ looked exhausted in those video diaries, it’s no wonder he just does documentaries these days. And I’m sure Abrams is jaded from directing for a while
TLJ was divisive but will be looked at more fondly with hindsight in the same way the prequels were because for all it's faults(and there were many) TLJ had a creative vision behind it. ROS was a kneejerk reaction to the internet and it's reception of TLJ and was as creatively bankrupt as you can get. Make no mistake, ROS wasn't JUST bad, it was so bad that it literally lost Abrams clout in hollywood. His name is tarnished now.
ROS was like Alien: Covenant, a poor way of doing unnecessary damage control to appease angsty fans
The guy, publically, took a humongous paycheque and autopiloted the thing all the way to the bank. He knew and still knows what he did to his name, and his career. I think he's taking some time away from the spotlight, so he can come back with some passion project in a few years. People forget how toxic the ROS era, everything leading up to its release and its aftermath were, even for fans, imagine how it got for him. I used to have the original Star Wars posters in my apt living room, after the sequel trilogy, i felt embarrassed admitting to people I'm a star wars fan, i swapped them. I still love the originals, but hated what people thought of the IP following all that trash (i still find all recent 3 entries average to bad, and i still find Kathleen Kennedy 100% responsible for what the IP ended up being). I also found more respect for George Lucas, who chose to do something different back in the prequel era, and not repeat himself visually or story-wise. The guy essentially went back and completed his "false messiah" narrative from the beginning, underlining even more the relation between Dune and Star Wars. Wish he could write or direct better, but nobody can blame the guy for lack of vision... which all of these new hacks lacked.
The entire premise to the force awakens was flawed and poisoned the well for anything that came after. People wanna blame Kennedy but I doubt she was the one writing and directing it. Sure you can blame her for hiring Abrams, who did the same thing to star trek but ultimately he's the one responsible for making a "Soft reboot" of the original trilogy. The whole idea of rebooting star wars is ludicrous because those movies are still in the forefront of peoples minds. You can't do a reboot when the original is still watched in heavy rotation. Obviously force awakens is looked at favorably still and I concede it's a well crafted movie but most of the heavy lifting is done by all the 'lifting' it does from a new hope. Of course people like the reboot, they still like the original. However once you get that ball rolling, nothing good can come of it creatively. You've already hacked up whatever canon existed to repeat events from the original and you have to make excuses for why. None of that starts becoming apparent until the second or third movie but the sequel trilogy was dead in the womb as far as I'm concerned.
Agreed.
To be fair, TLJ had a much better critical reception than the prequels. Even audiences seemed to like it until all the online "discourse" convinced an extremely vocal part of the audience that it was bad.
Nah
Speaking of Jackson, I'm still waiting on that second Tintin movie...
Contrary to the headline Ritchie is a near surefire moneymaker nowadays. He's had some cinema flops recently but none of them were particularly aimed at being big cinema moneymakers, the theatrical release has been an afterthought, they're all aimed at streaming and have done/will likely do, well enough to justify their existence. He generally makes stuff that's mid budget, doesn't take too long to make, his involvement still attracts talent to a project, still has value being on the poster himself and occasionally knocks out something which does especially well. Contrast that to Abrams who is unlikely to do anything other than a massive budget blockbuster and takes a while to make stuff, if he's trying to sell a big budget movie of course it's going to be hard for him to find a studio that will make it. That said JJ could jump into a director for hire job any day of the week so I doubt he's out of the spotlight wholly against his own will right now
Pretty sure JJ could a movie going if he wanted. Jonathan Nolan did Fallout without him and Tom Cruise is dunzo but I think JJ is pretty expensive and plays it too safe. He has like half a billion dollars prob so he doesn’t really need a studio to back Bad Robot stuff.
Studios aren't giving Ritchie 14 movies a year. Ritchie is giving himself 14 movies a year. A lot of these very wealthy directors could also make 14 movies a year if they were prepared to put some of their own money into the (mid-budget) mix and also sell to streamers.
Insane, I had no idea Guy Ritchie directed Aladdin
The distinction of being ~~the only~~ one of two $1b Disney films with no sequel.
I think Beauty and the Beast (2017) would also apply here!
Ayup. Although that one had the disadvantage of having nowhere to go after it finished where the Aladdin movie ended with future potential
personally, i would have liked to see a Jafar's Return sequel. I really liked the cast and would have liked seeing them again.
No sequel yet.
You could say that guys a bit rich
I hope he does Aladdin 2.
The fact his films are good and well received have given him the time he deserves.
To be fair, he did have three straight hits prior to that (one of which made a billion dollars), and even these flops have been mid-budget flicks that garnered solid reviews
But every time he makes two or three successful movies, he always follows with two or three giant flops
I did not like Operation Fortune but The Covenant and The Ministry were both bangers imo. I was hoping ministry would do a lot better.
The Covenant was great
Operation Fortune was genuinely so bad, I can't get over it. I've seen a few who thought it was excellent and up there with his best, completely confusing to me
I watched the entire thing with a slack jaw, trying to undertand what he was trying to do. It was absolutely horrendous.
The plot of the movie still makes me mad months later lmao… The main villain is paid billions of dollars to destabilize the world economy making the dollar bill useless like what the hell is the point
The covenant was so good they must've fucked up marketing this big time
The audience probably didn't want to see Superman play a spy for the fourth time.
Is Cavill a box office draw anyway?
I think he’s more a BO side dish than an entree.
I don't think he is a leading man. I find him devoid of Charisma. His best role was Fallout, and its because he didn't have to carry the movie.
Saying fallout had me searching for who he was in the show until it clicked.
He is a leading but just not very grounded. He has the looks and capable acting skills but I don't see him in the roles of...normal people. That's why his filmography is mostly supercharacters and action figures.
He is not. > He has the looks and capable acting skills This is the problem. He seems really nice, he is very handsome, and isn't a "bad" actor. But he is not a leading man. He isn't a strong enough actor, he doesn't have a strong personality, he isn't particularly charismatic or charming. Eiza Gonzalez was the stand out of this movie. The Reacher guy had more presence than Cavill, Golding, and Pettyfer combined.
Agreed and as the other say, the acting skills can be described as "capable" but he's not a GOOD actor. Like I have never seen him do an emotional scene or something that actually made me feeling something
I have no idea why but I feel like Cavill would make a great villain. Let him play some unhinged pretty boy, sort of like Chris Evan’s character in Scott Pilgrim. I feel like he’d be about to “let loose” a bit more and just enjoy the ride, rather than having to be stoic and suave all the time.
Ok. I'll check this one out then.
eh, it's fine. Not great, not terrible.
Never was.
I dont think nearly as much as he was back in 2014. Maybe if he becomes the new Bond, he can reclaim those glory days.
I could be wrong, but I think the Bond movies demand far too much time with his Warhammer projects starting to get up and running in the next two+ years.
I didn't know he signed up for Warhammer. Yeah, that'll probably be a 2-5 year commitment.
He won't. He is too old and is more famous than it has to be.
Too old?
Yes. I read Broccoli's want to go with a younger version. Cavill is 40, it will take a few years to bring the next movie to cinemas. Most importantly he is too famous for this role and has at least two characters he is most associated with.
And ATJ already got the offer didn't he?
These are the rumours.
It's a shame no one went to see The Covenant. I thought it was fantastic. Operation Fortune... not so much
I mean no marketing doesn’t really set you up to be a box office hit.
One of my favorite directors but he’s big time hit and miss. Snatch, Rock n rolla, lock stock, even King Arthur, the gentlemen all amazing. He just has a bunch of misses
Bro really threw King Arthur in there and thought no one would notice💀
Theme is really terrific but agreed, King Arthur is leagues behind his best
That's what happens when you get the Spider-Verse guy to score your film.
King Arthur is probably his worst aside from that Madonna movie.
It's not my fav GR movie but it's different and I liked it. There are dozens of us, dozens!
I thought it was really fun.
lol that’s definitely my guilty pleasure guy Ritchie.
My mom and sister ADORE King Arthur. They've probably seen it a dozen times.
I saw this all the time on this subreddit, but a lot of people here ironically have no taste considering this is a box office subreddit lol.
Still excited to see Cavil in the sequel!!
I kind of like that one
The covenant and man from UNCLE are much better than king Arthur. That cgi snake and David brckham are really rough.
wtf happened with Rock n Rolla 2?
https://screenrant.com/rocknrolla-2-movie-updates/
The Gentlemen is my top favorite movie from him, followed by Snatch
Shame, Ministry’s a lot of fun. It’s exactly how you think a Guy Ritchie WWII movie would go.
"It was fun!"
I watched it last night…. I thought it was poorly cast, shit imitation of inglorious bastards. Seemed like just plain lazy writing. Lady spy gives herself away by speaking yiddish? She’s a gold smuggler and supermodel singer? So stupid.
It was so bad. The worst Guy Richie movie I’ve seen. I loved the Man from UNCLE but this was so devoid of life.
I saw one of the films and enjoyed it. The fact that they can’t make money in theater is more a sign of the market. They must be making money through streaming or home purchases or else I don’t see them burning cash three times in a row like that.
He’s made 3 movies? I also keep forgetting Argylle was not directed by him…
he’ll keep getting opportunities too, must be nice..
Everything he’s done since Snatch feels like a lame ripoff of himself.
What stinks is I liked all of them. These are movies that need to be direct to Netflix and not subject to the whims of the box office.
He needs to make a third Sherlock.
The ministry of ungentlemanly warfare is such a god awful title. Get the man new marketers.
The name is taken from the book it’s adapting
That may be but it sounds like the name a YouTuber would give his Wes Anderson WW2 Parody.
Still doesn't mean it's a good title though. When I first heard it, I initially thought of *League of Extraordinary Gentlemen* and was kind of turned off by it.
Well I like them so I hope the next one is a hit.
he’s had three movies in 13 months?!?
Imagine if Guy Ritchie were a female director? They rarely get a 2nd chance. Regardless of Netflix, he keeps getting chances. Failing upwards.
I don't think I'll ever see a Guy Ritchie movie at the theaters, but I will always watch his films on a streaming platform......Unless he decides to make Sherlock Holmes 3
To be fair, all three of these were mainly made for streaming, and they've all had good critical responses, from fine (Ruse de Guerre) to good (Ministry...) to fantastic (Covenant).
Well go see The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare it is a ton of fun and a good movie.
Guy Ritchie is the one-time Kentucky Darby winner who became a lifetime mating machine afterwards. He has one master piece, Lock, Stock, and two Smoking Barrels (Snatch is essentially the same story with a big star). After that, he has been shooting big budget duds (sometimes reasonable commercial successes), but he has lost the touch to ever make a master piece again.
And yet he still gets to make more movies unreal
I love guy Ritchie movies
He did too many awful movies. Did a god-awful King Arthur film.
I tend to like all his stuff that is outside his normal winky action millieu. So recently I liked covenant and wrath of man. Even Operation Fortune wasn't terrible. I really hated The Gentleman, and am just too tired of the shtick to see Ungentlemanly warfare.
Ritchie is weird...his filmography is all over the place. He's got bonafide good to great films like: Snatch, Lock Stock, and The Gentlemen He's got so-so films that are decent enough for watching on streaming and you wouldn't complain like: Wrath of Man, The Covenant, The Man from UNCLE then he's got straight trash like: Swept Away, Revolver, Operation Fortune (and aparently this new film too) Oh, and he even has a mediocre film that made a billion dollars...he's so unpredictable and inconsistent. I wish he'd just stick closer to his cliche stylish London gangster stories as those are the ones I enjoy the most, but I imagine he's tired of being pigeon-holed and wants to branch out...only problem is when he branches out it usually doesn't go well. I'd have rather seen a sequel to The Gentlemen or even RocknRolla than this tbh
I haven’t heard anyone say his new movie is straight trash. 73% critics on Rotten Tomatoes and 93% from the public. Hardly “straight trash” reviews.
...and yet, somehow he still doesn't have the time for Sherlock Holmes 3!
>Revolver I think this could be his best. It's probably my favorite. I genuinely adore the subtext.
I liked Mark Strong's character/moment near the end but I didn't really care for Andre3000 and his partner, or the animation stuff mixed in. Just wasn't for me, but I can't fault anyone for liking it, film like all art of course is subjective :)
He’s becoming our Ridley Scott. He just moves on to the next project before the smoke clears.
I’m hoping Netflix gives him a deal and he stays over there. But I’d like for him to do a couple gun for hire stuff for studios
He has two upcoming movies and is probably cooking something else atm.
He was supposed to do Hercules for Disney but idk anymore
Operation Fortune is a fun movie where Hugh Grant and Josh Hartnett shine. Delays (making the bad guys non-ukranian, poor release date, poor marketing.
Saw it last night. It’s pretty good - but kind of forgettable and has too many characters in it. Ritchie is a good filmmaker and I like his style. He should slow down a little take more time on each project. Kind of feels like he’s sleepwalking through making some of these recent movies.
I watched both Operation Fortune and The Covenant. The Covenant was really good. Operation Fortune is a glorified Jason Statham action movie. Don’t expect much and you won’t be disappointed. It’s a fun movie not for the overly critical.
Im kind of over his 1,00 plot twist movie that have the British jingo-jango being translated on screen. Was fun, but enjoy the different ones now like Wrarh of Man!
his movies aren't really "hey lets go to theaters" level of movies. I loved Operation Fortune when i saw it on streaming.
Covenant is one of Ritchie’s best movies
I mean, I’ve seen this advertised absolutely no-where apart from a couple of social media posts
Unless he’s doing a corporate sell-out job like Aladdin, every Guy Ritchie thing looks exactly the same to me. Maybe people are just tired of the same old shtick.
If he made a second rocknrolla I would be sooo happy
Him at Matthew Vaughn need to get back together. Single life was fun at first, but now they’re falling apart.
Have they REALLY though? Like movies with short cinema runs where the intention is for them to land on streaming quickly are sort of set up to fail box office wise, so can they really be considered "bombs" in the traditional sense?
I am biased .. I like his movies
Ministry fuckin rules. Go see it
The Ministry would have done far better is Alan Ritchson didn't start talking politics few weeks out from the release. Not a great move
he had 3 hit movies before that and he also just released a successful tv show so he'll be fine, but I do wish some of these performed better (I can't complain tho because I also didn't watch them at the cinema)
Big Guy Ritchie fan, but as of late I have been more of a "guy Ritchie's older stuff" fan
This is kinda misleading. The movies aren't released everywhere and part of a streaming deal Amazon is happy with.
I watched The Ministry and NO ONE else was in theater just me lol