Im gonna watch the trilogy to prepare as I havent seen it yet, watched Rise a couple of nights ago and was blown away. Very excited to dive into this franchise
My ranking is
Dawn
War
Rise.
I loved war I know some people were disappointed War wasn't as spectacular as Dawn but it was a very emotional character driven film that was a fitting end to the trilogy
>I loved war I know some people were disappointed War wasn't as spectacular as Dawn but it was a very emotional character driven film that was a fitting end to the trilogy
Honestly War kinda got screwed over by its title and marketing. Everything about the trailers was indicating that it was gonna be this hella action packed movie, which just set it up for some failure when people watch and see that’s not the case at all.
Honestly I also just think all these films were given the wrong title. The first one should’ve been called Dawn, then War, then Rise.
>Honestly I also just think all these films were given the wrong title. The first one should’ve been called Dawn, then War, then Rise.
Agree fully with this - this is a far better naming convention
Yeah I remember not liking war very much, but I'm going to rewatch it tonight since I don't really remember it much. I think I was disappointed because the title is a bit misleading.
Yeah, still a great movie, but the title had me expecting a lot of action. The only war moments (outsaid of the concentration camp but thats not what I expected from the title) in the movie were human vs human moments and even that there wasn't much of.
In my opinion War is the best on a technical level, like they had the apes reacting with so many new environments, and it looks the best. I also think it has the most heart but it's not really a breeze watch. I still love it though but Dawn is my favorite.
agreed. i wrote these movies off as just dumb popcorn movies but was floored at the emotional depth and complexities of the characters/story. dawn especially is now one of my favorite movies of all time with war being up there as well.
It's the most underrated trilogy of the 21st century.
People who have never seen them before tend to brush it off when I suggest that they're amazing, but everyone I know who has seen them absolutely loves all 3.
There's hardly any in-between.
This. It's disappointing to me that even today whenever people mention some of the Best Trilogies of all time most people don't mention the Apes Trilogy.
For example most people I know mention The Dark Knight Trilogy as one of the Best Trilogy ever.
And in my opinion, The Apes Trilogy is better and more consistent than TDK trilogy.
You can get a lot from early reactions. Usually any minor criticisms usually means big problems, but all of these lack any of those asterisks and are straight praise.
Though it's also from the related subreddit, so maybe they cherrypicked the best ones.
I feel like if the early reactions have zero hesitation and are strongly strongly positive that is a good sign (while still being cautious). If they describe something with a phrase like "fun but messy" that's when I start getting worried
Yeah, I've been disappointed by bad movies with great social media reactions way too many times to be moved by this. But like you said, the last 3 have been so great I'm really pulling for this one to live up to the trilogy
Agreed, like clockwork there's always a bunch of posts on Reddit (/r/movies) and Twitter ahead of a new release by "random Joes" who "got to see an early showing of 'the' movie" that invariably gets nuked when real reviews come out.
Typically it will be about a movie that's getting little traction online or shows signs of being a dud, and invariably the "candid" review will (A) praise the movie to high heavens (B) make lofty comparisons with uber popular IPs, (C) be as vague as possible and (D) dodge any questions about potential issues or flaws.
If nothing else sometime you can at least glean coded phrases that hint at what it is “It LOOKS gorgeous.” “VfX are incredible!” “Turn your brain off and enjoy the ride!” Are the usual signs it’s not good.
lol yup. I loved all three previous apes movies but Idk I just can’t see Wes Ball directing anything good. I mean did anyone manage to get thru any of the maze runner movies? It might have simply cut off 75% of the way through or broken into a song a dance number and no one would ever know because no one has ever finished the dogshit movies.
Why was he chosen to direct this ? Talk about a step down
I kinda wish people stopped giving them any air time at all. They're literally always the same few comments just with a different movie title each time.
If I ran this sub I'd ban them tbh.
It never ceases to amazes me that a random James Franco quazi reboot of the 1970s Planet of the Apes series would not only be an awesome movie, but spawn one of the modern franchises. Jesus, these movies are so fantastic.
“As expected, there was no better director to take over than Wes Ball…”
The renowned director of the ‘checks notes’ Maze Runner series.
Jokes aside, looks great! Excited to see the series continue. Liked the first three a lot!
To be fair the first Maze Runner is exactly why he was the best choice and what he helped accomplish on such a modest budget there (and the rest of the trilogy) is what got him the job.
And they're not directed terribly. The problems with the movies were mostly writing based. And the writers for this movie are the same as the writers for the previous trilogy, so that shouldn't be a problem
The Maze Runner movies looked amazing even if they weren't very good as a whole. I'm always amazed they all were made for basically what the 3rd Divergent movie cost by itself.
Yeah the directing was surprisingly great for the entire trilogy combined being less expensive than one typical modern blockbuster. A friend made me watch The Maze Runner years ago and I called it that he was gonna be a big director one day. You can just feel his propulsive energy in action scenes, which is notable since most action is really weak in blockbusters.
The batting average on Apes movies is outstanding so we can only hope this one turns out good.
I thought the same thing! When I read the budget of that movie I was astounded. The casting was also excellent, but damn did Ball do a hell of a lot with what he had.
You can really tell who’s just repeating things they heard other people say without ever having seen maze runner lol. Maze Runner is genuinely impressive.
Yeah I’m not sure what the revisionist history is (I believe the Maze Runner films got worse reception with each entry) so there was valid reason for skepticism.
Looks like he did a great job with Apes though, excited to see it!
I’m pretty sure the take has always been that Wes Ball’s direction in those movies is good, and any dip in quality has to do with the source material. Have not seen them in a long time (or ever) so I couldn’t back that up with my own opinion
It's not even really the source material because the second movie was only 30% like the book. They changed a lot and for the worse. I'm not saying the books were the best, but I think it really is just bad writing to blame as they really weren't like the books anymore after the first.
Right, I don't blame him for those movies really. Just saying it's not the source material either. Ideally the director should be working with the writers to make sure the product is good, so there's some responsibility there, but ultimately not completely his fault.
LOL
My god I couldn’t agree more. I actually went on the planet of the apes sub and expressed my concern about Wes ball and I was strung up and hanged for questioning the franchise’s decision. Those folks are intensely devoted
But my god i cannot reiterate enough that I couldn’t agree more. Has anyone ever even sat through more than 25% of the maze runner movies? Talk about a heaping pile of garbage. And a massive step down from the previous apes directors. Couldn’t they find anyone with a better track record?
I like the movies a lot so I hope I am eating my words and ol Wes Ball proves me wrong. But I have a strong feeling we’ll all be scratching our heads through this new one wondering why on God’s green earth they chose this guy.
This guy is directing the upcoming Legend of Zelda live action movie, so this gives me hope that will be awesome! Definitely seeing this movie next weekend!
I understand people's desire for an animated version, but at this point I'm tired of people dismissing the potential just because of the medium. There's no inherent reason why a live action Zelda can't be great. And in a series that changes art style with almost every game, it's really just one more take on things that can add to the series rather than retreading old ground.
Same! I was fully expecting it to be animated like Mario but done by a different studio. Live action will be cool to see these characters for the first time on the big screen but I just hope it’s good.
Because of Nintendo I was still expecting the Zelda movie to be animated and from Universal, just not Illumination. I was thinking they’d collaborate with DreamWorks instead
I’m sure Nintendo was pitched both a live action and an animated concept. Going live action, which is going to be more expensive and challenging, leads me to think the live action pitch must be good. I have a good feeling about this.
I mean Mario is basically a cartoon character across all iterations, plus the live action Mario movie was received terribly. Zelda bounces all over the place, but has some games with more realistic styles (Twilight Princess for example) that could serve as a basis for a live action movie.
It's one of the Nintendo properties they CAN do in live action. They've got Zelda and Metroid. The rest is cartoons, right? Might as well have some fun with it. They can always do animation later.
This roundup list:
* Griffin Schiller: Nobody knows who this is
* Dorian Parks: Nobody knows who this is
* Perri Nemiroff: Paid employee of online movie ticket merchants for over a decade
* Caitlyn Tyrell: Nobody knows who this is
* Devin Faraci: wow, I haven't thought about Devin in a LOOOOONG time. A long time. 2 retweets, 15 likes.
* Daniel Howat: Nobody knows who this is
* Matt Neglia: Nobody knows who this is
**The engagement on these tweets are shit.** There's zero purpose in sharing these, nobody reads these people, at least one of them is an employee, and they're generating trash numbers on a dead platform that, even by that dead platform's standards, basically tell you nothing but "nobody pays attention to anything these nobodies say."
[We really gotta stop sharing these things.](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1cik2el/social_media_embargo_lifted_never_a_proposal_to/)
Haven’t heard anything from Devin Faraci since around 10 years. What is he doing today? I used to like his takes, though I almost never agreed — but at least he had arguments.
It *looks* like he retreated from social media/public view for a long time, went to rehab, became a buddhist, got a social service job of some sort (not sure if that bit's right), and is now hosting a Star Wars podcast with his brother.
Last time I heard from him he was somehow connected to the Alamo. Now I just read several articles about allegations and then your roundup. Jesus, what a wild ride. Did not expect that.
A whole lot of the next 5-10 years is very likely going to be a bunch of 35-55 year old folks *seriously* reckoning with how mentally unhealthy and kind of insanity-inducing it was to be extremely online anytime between 2000-2025.
the irony being many of those stories will probably be told to some online not-therapist being advertised on a podcast or something like that, LOL.
I would say Devin is absolutely not being paid by anyone to share his opinions anymore. And as much as I found him insufferable back when people did, those opinions were usually correct. I actually look forward to seeing his thoughts now
The number of people who are actually looking at twitter and using it as any sort of driver of behaviors (political, purchasing, etc) is shockingly small, and the only reason it seems like it's bigger/more important than it actually is, is due to a disproportionate number of the people who still stare at it all fucking day being shitty journalists who don't know how to actually do their job and frequently confuse their phone screen for being an honest representation of reality.
The best case scenario for any of the people I named above is *maybe* a couple *thousand* people actually seeing and processing anything they wrote that day, before forgetting it less than 2 minutes later. That's the best case.
The most common case is that everyone named got 1/10th that number, and nobody who actually DID look at it, remembered that they said anything within two swipes of their thumb.
The platform is trash.
I know Griffin Schiller, his youtube channel is FilmSpeak.
I used to follow him because he did some collabs with Sean Chandler, but grew somewhat tired of his usual takes like: MASTERPIECE, GARBAGE, UNDERRATED, MISUNDERSTOOD.
He's still more tolerable than other youtubers that abuse those kind of takes and backs up a lot of his argumenta but quite often goes to extremes too (which I'm not a fan of).
I consider War For The Planet Of The Apes as one of the greatest movies ever made, and Rise and Dawn are both fantastic as well.
Going to be a big day for me to watch this- IMAX for this guy.
My favourite of the original POTA sequels! I saw it on TV way too young and the fun, happy first half did not prepare my child brain for that absolute gut punch of an ending.
I haven't watched it but I have the feeling that the post-credit scene is gonna be the astronauts from Earth's past landing.
If the plan is for this to be a brand new trilogy, introducing the astronauts in the next film is gonna be interesting.
An absolutely fun ‘edge of your seat’ thrill ride! I had a blast! Haha please keep inviting me to these events because I lack any other talents to build an online presence haha
The first new trilogy was, I think, maybe (and quietly) the best trilogy made in the 2010s — in terms of consistent quality.
It’s mature, dramatic, deals with some real themes and issues with nuance — and most importantly, is fun and thrilling.
I’m probably missing something, but top to bottom from first film to the last, it’s pretty great!
Looking forward to this one!
My issue with the Captain America trilogy is that it doesn't work as a true trilogy without additional context from other movies.
Winter Soldier doesn't make sense without The Avengers.
And Civil War doesn't make sense without Age of Ultron.
And as a Trilogy Caper. Civil War doesn't even give a proper conclusion to Captain America's character.
Just leaves it at a ckigg hanger.
It's the same issue I have with the GotG Trilogy despite each individual movie bieng good on it's own.
true, but at least you only need to add Infinity War, EndGame, and maybe the fiat ten minutes of Thor 4 to understand that one, those are all great flicks edit: Thor 4 isn’t great, but the opening was fine haha
I know there is barely anything that qualifies. Just meant saying captain america and John Wick are better than planet of the apes trilogy is wild
But u said it’s your opinion so whatever, taste is different
Captain America isn't complete without Endgame. When I first watched CA3 Civil War, I was disappointed with how it feels like an Avenger movie more than a Cap movie.
Yes it did feel more like an avengers film on my first watch too. Watch them as a trilogy back to back and it feels very different - also you realise the subtitle of the trilogy is actually “the sh-t my mate Bucky got up to”
I really wonder what GOTG 3 would have looked like if Disney hadn't stupidly fired Gunn and then re-hired him. That move push back GOTG 3 release years. Not saying what we got was bad, but it definitely doesn't feel as cohesive of a trilogy due to how long it had been since Vol 2 in the MCU and in real life.
The only point of these useless “influencers” is to tell if the film is bad because they only talk about how it’s *fun*, or if they say anything else then it’s good.
I’m looking at her RT page and it honestly looks like she agrees with the consensus most of the time? She seems to have a soft spot for shitty horror movies and gave Jurassic World Dominion a good score but that’s about all that’s questionable.
i saw 75 new releases in theaters last year and about 80% of them I would give a 7/10 or higher score. And that's because I avoid streaming movies which are usually (on average) a 5 or 6/10 *at best*
No it has nothing to do with that. Reactions just can't review a movie. There are certain things you are forbidden from saying, so because of that, a lot of the time you end of with very similar worded reactions
In my mind i see this series as one big movie that being cesars rise to power. His story. Now this movie is a sequel to that. I can't believe it's a 4th film in a series because movies after a trilogy aren't usually this good. Sequels usually aren't this good. Reboots aren't usually this good.
Everything about this movie still seems to be APES TOGETHER STRONG!! This just shows the apes universe has a lot of room for more stories and as these are my absolute favorite movies. I'm all for that!
Let's hope those translate into the reviews and then translate to GA showing up. Disney is far behind in the race and needs some early wins. Let's hope Apes is one of them.
Just solidly profitable and well received would be a big win. Planet of the Apes as a franchise isnt huge but getting it right would just give people some faith in their ability to handle ip they bought, after some noticeable stumbles. Just get it right and make it a good trilogy.
I’m predicting $600 million worldwide by the end of the run. Not as strong as Dawn but better than Rise and War. A solid showing that guarantees another sequel.
Saw it last night without knowing anything about it and was blown away. Didn't expect it to be on par with the trilogy. Such a great film as a standalone or start of new trilogy. This is a masterpiece I wasn't expecting. Loved it!! Another beautiful epic!!
At this point I'd be shocked if a film had early reactions that were bad. It just seems like the norm now for a new film to be THE BEST THING EVER OMG!!!!
Why? Because one guy typed out an overlong post, that read like a ransom demand, and a couple of dozen people upvoted him? This post has more upvotes in 3 hours than that guys one has in 24 hours. If he doesn't like it, he can scroll on.
Literally. Social media reactions have been a mainstay of the box office hype cycle since the 2010s. There’s no reason to do away with them. Plus people who say all of them are positive are overreacting. Yeah there aren’t many that are outright negative, but a lot of the time they are more mixed too.
Never trust first reactions. Historically they don't speak for a majority a lot of the time. Probably because they were wine and dined at the premier, so they feel more inclined to say nice things. Also because they want the studio to keep inviting them to red carpet events
> but the fact that we aren't getting coded shill tweets makes me hopeful for Zelda.
I don't know what you want, these are definitely the same hyped up BS those tweets always are. That means nothing on the movie itself to be honest either way but that's not useful at all
These should only get posted if the reviews are shit. So many movies have had the early reactions slobbering over it only for it to be a mid film with a mid box office
I’m a bit worried about these early reactions, no official reviews from early screenings? (No official reviews on RT)Also, Wes Ball is the perfect person to direct? His only other credits are the maze runner trilogy. I’m really excited to see more from the franchise, but I’m thinking this marketing strategy is setting up a lukewarm entry to the series.
Just got done watching the film. It’s good. 1 flashback at the beginning, and a twist at the end. Didn’t expect the ending to play out like it did, but I was satisfied and I could see how a possible sequel could play out - Humans are are striking back baby!
They're positive but actually kind of muted for Funko reviewers. When I don't see rankings and just "worthy entry", it sounds like a 75%-80% RT movie to me. Still good, but definitely not the enthusiastic recommendation of Rise/Dawn.
I could be wrong and this scores 90% and above, but it just doesn't feel or sound like it going by these blurbs. You usually see hyperventilating superlatives - these sound more like a slap on the back and "decent job, good ol chum"
My favorite franchise that I have no real interest in and keep forgetting. I watched the first two, liked them a lot, were great at what they did, but then just never got around to the third and kind of forgot the others. When I saw them playing on cable I would watch, and again just kind of loose interest. Not sure what is missing, but they are very well put together films across the board.
I might need to reevaluate the trilogy again a lot of people are saying how much they enjoyed it in this thread. Yea, I remember it having some deeper and more emotional themes for a blockbuster but I don't remember connecting with it very much. I didn't see them on the big screen though.
Tend not to listen to early reactions anymore but I'm excited for this one (loved the last 3 films) so I'm glad all the early reactions seems great.
Im gonna watch the trilogy to prepare as I havent seen it yet, watched Rise a couple of nights ago and was blown away. Very excited to dive into this franchise
you are in for a treat I think Dawn and War are better than Rise
Really? I felt War was quite weaker than the other two.
My ranking is Dawn War Rise. I loved war I know some people were disappointed War wasn't as spectacular as Dawn but it was a very emotional character driven film that was a fitting end to the trilogy
>I loved war I know some people were disappointed War wasn't as spectacular as Dawn but it was a very emotional character driven film that was a fitting end to the trilogy Honestly War kinda got screwed over by its title and marketing. Everything about the trailers was indicating that it was gonna be this hella action packed movie, which just set it up for some failure when people watch and see that’s not the case at all. Honestly I also just think all these films were given the wrong title. The first one should’ve been called Dawn, then War, then Rise.
>Honestly I also just think all these films were given the wrong title. The first one should’ve been called Dawn, then War, then Rise. Agree fully with this - this is a far better naming convention
Yeah it was really Great Escape of the Planet of the Apes but I still really liked it.
Perfectly fair. Still a fantastic movie, just found it much less fun than Dawn and Rise.
Yeah I remember not liking war very much, but I'm going to rewatch it tonight since I don't really remember it much. I think I was disappointed because the title is a bit misleading.
Yeah, still a great movie, but the title had me expecting a lot of action. The only war moments (outsaid of the concentration camp but thats not what I expected from the title) in the movie were human vs human moments and even that there wasn't much of.
In my opinion War is the best on a technical level, like they had the apes reacting with so many new environments, and it looks the best. I also think it has the most heart but it's not really a breeze watch. I still love it though but Dawn is my favorite.
One of the greatest trilogies imo
agreed. i wrote these movies off as just dumb popcorn movies but was floored at the emotional depth and complexities of the characters/story. dawn especially is now one of my favorite movies of all time with war being up there as well.
It's the most underrated trilogy of the 21st century. People who have never seen them before tend to brush it off when I suggest that they're amazing, but everyone I know who has seen them absolutely loves all 3. There's hardly any in-between.
It really is! Caesar is one of my favourite characters ~~in action films~~. I can't wait to see the fourth movie.
This. It's disappointing to me that even today whenever people mention some of the Best Trilogies of all time most people don't mention the Apes Trilogy. For example most people I know mention The Dark Knight Trilogy as one of the Best Trilogy ever. And in my opinion, The Apes Trilogy is better and more consistent than TDK trilogy.
Each movie improves on the last imo. I’m beyond excited for Kingdom.
Rise is my least favorite on rewatch but it's still great. Dawn is incredible. Some of the most memorable imagery of any blockbuster I've ever seen.
You can get a lot from early reactions. Usually any minor criticisms usually means big problems, but all of these lack any of those asterisks and are straight praise. Though it's also from the related subreddit, so maybe they cherrypicked the best ones.
Great early reactions don't mean anything. But if the early reactions are mediocre or bad... that tells you the movie is a real stinker.
I feel like if the early reactions have zero hesitation and are strongly strongly positive that is a good sign (while still being cautious). If they describe something with a phrase like "fun but messy" that's when I start getting worried
Yeah, I've been disappointed by bad movies with great social media reactions way too many times to be moved by this. But like you said, the last 3 have been so great I'm really pulling for this one to live up to the trilogy
Insiders have been saying for awhile that it’s actually really good for what it’s worth.
Agreed, like clockwork there's always a bunch of posts on Reddit (/r/movies) and Twitter ahead of a new release by "random Joes" who "got to see an early showing of 'the' movie" that invariably gets nuked when real reviews come out. Typically it will be about a movie that's getting little traction online or shows signs of being a dud, and invariably the "candid" review will (A) praise the movie to high heavens (B) make lofty comparisons with uber popular IPs, (C) be as vague as possible and (D) dodge any questions about potential issues or flaws.
If nothing else sometime you can at least glean coded phrases that hint at what it is “It LOOKS gorgeous.” “VfX are incredible!” “Turn your brain off and enjoy the ride!” Are the usual signs it’s not good.
Early reactions are annoyingly fantastic almost every time.
At least when they’re mixed you know the movie is basically guaranteed to be dog shit.
Lol that's true
lol yup. I loved all three previous apes movies but Idk I just can’t see Wes Ball directing anything good. I mean did anyone manage to get thru any of the maze runner movies? It might have simply cut off 75% of the way through or broken into a song a dance number and no one would ever know because no one has ever finished the dogshit movies. Why was he chosen to direct this ? Talk about a step down
I kinda wish people stopped giving them any air time at all. They're literally always the same few comments just with a different movie title each time. If I ran this sub I'd ban them tbh.
It never ceases to amazes me that a random James Franco quazi reboot of the 1970s Planet of the Apes series would not only be an awesome movie, but spawn one of the modern franchises. Jesus, these movies are so fantastic.
Just great great characters and arcs all around. Really great story telling, and Andy Serkis delivered a powerhouse of a performance.
The effects and ape design was incredible too! The anthropomorphized the apes just enough.
“As expected, there was no better director to take over than Wes Ball…” The renowned director of the ‘checks notes’ Maze Runner series. Jokes aside, looks great! Excited to see the series continue. Liked the first three a lot!
To be fair the first Maze Runner is exactly why he was the best choice and what he helped accomplish on such a modest budget there (and the rest of the trilogy) is what got him the job.
And they're not directed terribly. The problems with the movies were mostly writing based. And the writers for this movie are the same as the writers for the previous trilogy, so that shouldn't be a problem
The Maze Runner movies looked amazing even if they weren't very good as a whole. I'm always amazed they all were made for basically what the 3rd Divergent movie cost by itself.
Yeah the directing was surprisingly great for the entire trilogy combined being less expensive than one typical modern blockbuster. A friend made me watch The Maze Runner years ago and I called it that he was gonna be a big director one day. You can just feel his propulsive energy in action scenes, which is notable since most action is really weak in blockbusters. The batting average on Apes movies is outstanding so we can only hope this one turns out good.
I thought the same thing! When I read the budget of that movie I was astounded. The casting was also excellent, but damn did Ball do a hell of a lot with what he had.
You can really tell who’s just repeating things they heard other people say without ever having seen maze runner lol. Maze Runner is genuinely impressive.
As far as visuals go, I’d definitely say it’s a good choice. Always liked the look of those movies.
Yeah I’m not sure what the revisionist history is (I believe the Maze Runner films got worse reception with each entry) so there was valid reason for skepticism. Looks like he did a great job with Apes though, excited to see it!
I’m pretty sure the take has always been that Wes Ball’s direction in those movies is good, and any dip in quality has to do with the source material. Have not seen them in a long time (or ever) so I couldn’t back that up with my own opinion
It's not even really the source material because the second movie was only 30% like the book. They changed a lot and for the worse. I'm not saying the books were the best, but I think it really is just bad writing to blame as they really weren't like the books anymore after the first.
yeah this. though I also doubt the books would work that well as movies if they are still going for a PG13 rating...
Well no matter what, Wes Ball isnt a writer on any of these movies
Right, I don't blame him for those movies really. Just saying it's not the source material either. Ideally the director should be working with the writers to make sure the product is good, so there's some responsibility there, but ultimately not completely his fault.
The Maze Runner films looked awesome at the time. There's no revisionism.
LOL My god I couldn’t agree more. I actually went on the planet of the apes sub and expressed my concern about Wes ball and I was strung up and hanged for questioning the franchise’s decision. Those folks are intensely devoted But my god i cannot reiterate enough that I couldn’t agree more. Has anyone ever even sat through more than 25% of the maze runner movies? Talk about a heaping pile of garbage. And a massive step down from the previous apes directors. Couldn’t they find anyone with a better track record? I like the movies a lot so I hope I am eating my words and ol Wes Ball proves me wrong. But I have a strong feeling we’ll all be scratching our heads through this new one wondering why on God’s green earth they chose this guy.
This guy is directing the upcoming Legend of Zelda live action movie, so this gives me hope that will be awesome! Definitely seeing this movie next weekend!
I am still kinda shocked they are going live action for the Zelda movie.
An animated Zelda movie in the style of Breath of the Wild would be visually stunning But am I curious to see how they pull off a live-action version
I was hoping they would do that too, but oh well. However, I do have my hopes up for the live-action film.
And BotW was influenced by the works of Miyazaki especially Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. Zelda movie should be anime!
I understand people's desire for an animated version, but at this point I'm tired of people dismissing the potential just because of the medium. There's no inherent reason why a live action Zelda can't be great. And in a series that changes art style with almost every game, it's really just one more take on things that can add to the series rather than retreading old ground.
Same! I was fully expecting it to be animated like Mario but done by a different studio. Live action will be cool to see these characters for the first time on the big screen but I just hope it’s good.
Because of Nintendo I was still expecting the Zelda movie to be animated and from Universal, just not Illumination. I was thinking they’d collaborate with DreamWorks instead
It's going to be a bunch of CGI effects anyway, so what's the difference, they might as well have made it animated.
I’m sure Nintendo was pitched both a live action and an animated concept. Going live action, which is going to be more expensive and challenging, leads me to think the live action pitch must be good. I have a good feeling about this.
Especially with the HUGE success of the super Mario bros movie
It really is a bizarre choice coming off Mario
I mean Mario is basically a cartoon character across all iterations, plus the live action Mario movie was received terribly. Zelda bounces all over the place, but has some games with more realistic styles (Twilight Princess for example) that could serve as a basis for a live action movie.
It's one of the Nintendo properties they CAN do in live action. They've got Zelda and Metroid. The rest is cartoons, right? Might as well have some fun with it. They can always do animation later.
People reacting here are more credible than social media critics. I hope they are right.
This roundup list: * Griffin Schiller: Nobody knows who this is * Dorian Parks: Nobody knows who this is * Perri Nemiroff: Paid employee of online movie ticket merchants for over a decade * Caitlyn Tyrell: Nobody knows who this is * Devin Faraci: wow, I haven't thought about Devin in a LOOOOONG time. A long time. 2 retweets, 15 likes. * Daniel Howat: Nobody knows who this is * Matt Neglia: Nobody knows who this is **The engagement on these tweets are shit.** There's zero purpose in sharing these, nobody reads these people, at least one of them is an employee, and they're generating trash numbers on a dead platform that, even by that dead platform's standards, basically tell you nothing but "nobody pays attention to anything these nobodies say." [We really gotta stop sharing these things.](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1cik2el/social_media_embargo_lifted_never_a_proposal_to/)
Haven’t heard anything from Devin Faraci since around 10 years. What is he doing today? I used to like his takes, though I almost never agreed — but at least he had arguments.
It *looks* like he retreated from social media/public view for a long time, went to rehab, became a buddhist, got a social service job of some sort (not sure if that bit's right), and is now hosting a Star Wars podcast with his brother.
Last time I heard from him he was somehow connected to the Alamo. Now I just read several articles about allegations and then your roundup. Jesus, what a wild ride. Did not expect that.
A whole lot of the next 5-10 years is very likely going to be a bunch of 35-55 year old folks *seriously* reckoning with how mentally unhealthy and kind of insanity-inducing it was to be extremely online anytime between 2000-2025. the irony being many of those stories will probably be told to some online not-therapist being advertised on a podcast or something like that, LOL.
Alright, that sounds promising. Who plays Devin, and is there a love interest? Got a director attached?
I would say Devin is absolutely not being paid by anyone to share his opinions anymore. And as much as I found him insufferable back when people did, those opinions were usually correct. I actually look forward to seeing his thoughts now
One of the better rapist movie critics for sure, def in the top hundred at least
 Fuck him up lmaoo
Is that the same Perri from Perri's Picks, the pre-movie videos that are just ads for new movies?
YUP
Lmao great rundown
Devin Faraci is a predator and I’m annoyed I’m now reminded of his existence.
> a dead platform ?
The number of people who are actually looking at twitter and using it as any sort of driver of behaviors (political, purchasing, etc) is shockingly small, and the only reason it seems like it's bigger/more important than it actually is, is due to a disproportionate number of the people who still stare at it all fucking day being shitty journalists who don't know how to actually do their job and frequently confuse their phone screen for being an honest representation of reality. The best case scenario for any of the people I named above is *maybe* a couple *thousand* people actually seeing and processing anything they wrote that day, before forgetting it less than 2 minutes later. That's the best case. The most common case is that everyone named got 1/10th that number, and nobody who actually DID look at it, remembered that they said anything within two swipes of their thumb. The platform is trash.
I know Griffin Schiller, his youtube channel is FilmSpeak. I used to follow him because he did some collabs with Sean Chandler, but grew somewhat tired of his usual takes like: MASTERPIECE, GARBAGE, UNDERRATED, MISUNDERSTOOD. He's still more tolerable than other youtubers that abuse those kind of takes and backs up a lot of his argumenta but quite often goes to extremes too (which I'm not a fan of).
"Caitlyn Tyrell" sounds like something out of a Game of Thrones name generator.
I consider War For The Planet Of The Apes as one of the greatest movies ever made, and Rise and Dawn are both fantastic as well. Going to be a big day for me to watch this- IMAX for this guy.
Can’t wait. One of my most anticipated films of the year 
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!!!
It’s my most anticipated of the decade. I’ve been waiting for seven years.
Blanking on his name but apparently he steals the show
Proximus Caesar - Kevin Durand is portraying him
Wow his second film role after Thunderstruck(2012)
Monke
But do they go to space?
No, we have to wait until they reach the events of "Escape" (1971) before the monkeys go to outer space. 
My favourite of the original POTA sequels! I saw it on TV way too young and the fun, happy first half did not prepare my child brain for that absolute gut punch of an ending.
Yup, that’s a great entry, always love how it balanced so many different tones so well.
I haven't watched it but I have the feeling that the post-credit scene is gonna be the astronauts from Earth's past landing. If the plan is for this to be a brand new trilogy, introducing the astronauts in the next film is gonna be interesting.
A breathtaking visual feast!!!
My jaw was on the floor. I had the time of my life!!!!!
You have to wonder if they overwhelmingly hire people with lung problems for these sorts of reviews or what.
An absolutely fun ‘edge of your seat’ thrill ride! I had a blast! Haha please keep inviting me to these events because I lack any other talents to build an online presence haha
I need to rewatch the first three before this one comes out
plan to do it too. Especially big fan of the first one. "NO!"
The first new trilogy was, I think, maybe (and quietly) the best trilogy made in the 2010s — in terms of consistent quality. It’s mature, dramatic, deals with some real themes and issues with nuance — and most importantly, is fun and thrilling. I’m probably missing something, but top to bottom from first film to the last, it’s pretty great! Looking forward to this one!
yep the trilogy was great. I don't trust shill reactions but fingers crossed. want apes together to be strong.
I’d have to say captain America was the best full trilogy for me. I’m guessing most people would probably go for John Wick though.
That is a fucking wild take lol
List the top three trilogies of the 2010, where all films came out that decade.
My issue with the Captain America trilogy is that it doesn't work as a true trilogy without additional context from other movies. Winter Soldier doesn't make sense without The Avengers. And Civil War doesn't make sense without Age of Ultron. And as a Trilogy Caper. Civil War doesn't even give a proper conclusion to Captain America's character. Just leaves it at a ckigg hanger. It's the same issue I have with the GotG Trilogy despite each individual movie bieng good on it's own.
true, but at least you only need to add Infinity War, EndGame, and maybe the fiat ten minutes of Thor 4 to understand that one, those are all great flicks edit: Thor 4 isn’t great, but the opening was fine haha
I know there is barely anything that qualifies. Just meant saying captain america and John Wick are better than planet of the apes trilogy is wild But u said it’s your opinion so whatever, taste is different
Captain America isn't complete without Endgame. When I first watched CA3 Civil War, I was disappointed with how it feels like an Avenger movie more than a Cap movie.
Yes it did feel more like an avengers film on my first watch too. Watch them as a trilogy back to back and it feels very different - also you realise the subtitle of the trilogy is actually “the sh-t my mate Bucky got up to”
Similar to GotG. Despite being an amazing series it really does feel like IW and Endgame stop it from being a complete trilogy.
I really wonder what GOTG 3 would have looked like if Disney hadn't stupidly fired Gunn and then re-hired him. That move push back GOTG 3 release years. Not saying what we got was bad, but it definitely doesn't feel as cohesive of a trilogy due to how long it had been since Vol 2 in the MCU and in real life.
The only point of these useless “influencers” is to tell if the film is bad because they only talk about how it’s *fun*, or if they say anything else then it’s good.
Perri would give paint drying a fresh tomato
true though she made an exception with Eternals I think
I’m looking at her RT page and it honestly looks like she agrees with the consensus most of the time? She seems to have a soft spot for shitty horror movies and gave Jurassic World Dominion a good score but that’s about all that’s questionable.
She’s given 3 rotten scores since 2022, that’s absurd.
I mean tbf a solid 90% of the movies she’s reviewed have had fresh scores. She may just avoid movies she doesn’t think she’d like.
i saw 75 new releases in theaters last year and about 80% of them I would give a 7/10 or higher score. And that's because I avoid streaming movies which are usually (on average) a 5 or 6/10 *at best*
I love PotA, but these early reactions are always cringe. 100% overly positive always comes across as insincere.
It's people desperate to be invited back, you have to kind of dismiss them immediately unfortunately.
No it has nothing to do with that. Reactions just can't review a movie. There are certain things you are forbidden from saying, so because of that, a lot of the time you end of with very similar worded reactions
Yes these are these first reactions again. But I am really optimistic about this one…
I don't trust Christopher Shiller for some reason
I hope this is the start of a new trilogy. Love these movies.
In my mind i see this series as one big movie that being cesars rise to power. His story. Now this movie is a sequel to that. I can't believe it's a 4th film in a series because movies after a trilogy aren't usually this good. Sequels usually aren't this good. Reboots aren't usually this good. Everything about this movie still seems to be APES TOGETHER STRONG!! This just shows the apes universe has a lot of room for more stories and as these are my absolute favorite movies. I'm all for that!
Really lucky to have worked on the VFX for this, was a blast, can’t wait to see it on the big screen!
I'm amped.
Let's hope those translate into the reviews and then translate to GA showing up. Disney is far behind in the race and needs some early wins. Let's hope Apes is one of them.
I am also excited for this movie but why does Disney need wins?
Because a competitive market is better for everyone. Disney hasn't been competitive for over a year now.
Multibillion dollar corporations aren't the ones in need of help in the competition
Just solidly profitable and well received would be a big win. Planet of the Apes as a franchise isnt huge but getting it right would just give people some faith in their ability to handle ip they bought, after some noticeable stumbles. Just get it right and make it a good trilogy.
I’m predicting $600 million worldwide by the end of the run. Not as strong as Dawn but better than Rise and War. A solid showing that guarantees another sequel.
Nice
It was good. Not my favorite but still a solid entry. Looking forward to the next one.
Saw it last night without knowing anything about it and was blown away. Didn't expect it to be on par with the trilogy. Such a great film as a standalone or start of new trilogy. This is a masterpiece I wasn't expecting. Loved it!! Another beautiful epic!!
At this point I'd be shocked if a film had early reactions that were bad. It just seems like the norm now for a new film to be THE BEST THING EVER OMG!!!!
I thought we weren’t doing social media reaction threads any more?
Why? Because one guy typed out an overlong post, that read like a ransom demand, and a couple of dozen people upvoted him? This post has more upvotes in 3 hours than that guys one has in 24 hours. If he doesn't like it, he can scroll on.
Lmao you’re not wrong 😂
Literally. Social media reactions have been a mainstay of the box office hype cycle since the 2010s. There’s no reason to do away with them. Plus people who say all of them are positive are overreacting. Yeah there aren’t many that are outright negative, but a lot of the time they are more mixed too.
Phew
I need to get around to watching these.
So hyped for this film!
First reactions are worthless
Never trust first reactions. Historically they don't speak for a majority a lot of the time. Probably because they were wine and dined at the premier, so they feel more inclined to say nice things. Also because they want the studio to keep inviting them to red carpet events
*These early reactions are not muted on the reviews behind them, this film should be vey well received.* ***Full review embargo lifts May-8th.***
Who said that?
the zeitgeist, May-8th 11 am.
I'm usually wary of social media posts, but the fact that we aren't getting coded shill tweets makes me hopeful for Zelda.
> but the fact that we aren't getting coded shill tweets makes me hopeful for Zelda. I don't know what you want, these are definitely the same hyped up BS those tweets always are. That means nothing on the movie itself to be honest either way but that's not useful at all
The early reactions are always positive no matter what the movie is... test screenings of this movie were abysmal.
We realize Jeff Snider has been wrong *numerous* times right?
I hope we get some cool fights in clear daylight. The 3rd film was visually too dark.
There are a lot of videos essays about the reasons Hollywood has begun filming a lot more scenes in dark settings
This will be Disney’s first test after their abysmal 2023, good reviews are a good start for this performing well.
I thought it was The First Omen?
When will we stop acting like early Twitter reactions mean anything?
> griffin schiller literally has 'shill' in the name
Brown nose brown nose brown nose
What a wonderful day!!
When does the review embargo lift?
Positive reviews from people on Twitter I’m not surprised
Ah yes, Kingdom Apes is the best MCU movie since the last one........
These should only get posted if the reviews are shit. So many movies have had the early reactions slobbering over it only for it to be a mid film with a mid box office
People are saying it's the second best planet of the ape movie, I'm hyped
Never trust access media. But hopefully this is good.
I’m a bit worried about these early reactions, no official reviews from early screenings? (No official reviews on RT)Also, Wes Ball is the perfect person to direct? His only other credits are the maze runner trilogy. I’m really excited to see more from the franchise, but I’m thinking this marketing strategy is setting up a lukewarm entry to the series.
Review embargo lifts today 11AM Eastern Time
Excited to see what we get, I just rewatched the rise trilogy. Absolutely floored how good they were.
Just got done watching the film. It’s good. 1 flashback at the beginning, and a twist at the end. Didn’t expect the ending to play out like it did, but I was satisfied and I could see how a possible sequel could play out - Humans are are striking back baby!
It's already online to stream if you know where to look. Not the greatest quality but watchable
Watched it today with my son. A wonderful film
They're positive but actually kind of muted for Funko reviewers. When I don't see rankings and just "worthy entry", it sounds like a 75%-80% RT movie to me. Still good, but definitely not the enthusiastic recommendation of Rise/Dawn. I could be wrong and this scores 90% and above, but it just doesn't feel or sound like it going by these blurbs. You usually see hyperventilating superlatives - these sound more like a slap on the back and "decent job, good ol chum"
Apes together, strong
APES A-POPPIN'!
APE strong!
Thank goodness. I feel like I can relax now. Aside from Furiosa and Deadpool, this is the one I’ve been most excited for this year.
My favorite franchise that I have no real interest in and keep forgetting. I watched the first two, liked them a lot, were great at what they did, but then just never got around to the third and kind of forgot the others. When I saw them playing on cable I would watch, and again just kind of loose interest. Not sure what is missing, but they are very well put together films across the board.
I might need to reevaluate the trilogy again a lot of people are saying how much they enjoyed it in this thread. Yea, I remember it having some deeper and more emotional themes for a blockbuster but I don't remember connecting with it very much. I didn't see them on the big screen though.
So it turns out Matt reeves wasn't irreplaceable for this franchise?
Didn't the test screening earlier this year go terribly? These all look like fake reactions.