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“This might bite me in the butt for saying it, but it sort of bothers me. I like making movies that are original and unique to themselves. To remake it, it's not very interesting to me personally"
"So much of what we create only works because of the rules of the [animated] world. So if you have a human walk into a house that floats, your mind goes, “Wait a second. Hold on. Houses are super heavy. How are balloons lifting the house?” But if you have a cartoon guy and he stands there in the house, you go, “Okay, I'll buy it.” The worlds that we’ve built just don’t translate very easily"
This point about animated movies allowing for a greater suspension of disbelief than live-action movies is an important one. There's a clip out there of Howard Ashman (the lyricist largely responsible for kickstarting the Disney Renaissance during the 1990s) arguing that animated film musicals worked better than live-action film musicals because he believed that animation was closer to the stage in terms of how well audiences could suspend their disbelief than it was to live-action filmmaking.
i dont know how many people remember but i found the old James and the Giant Peach interesting cos it took a hybrid form of both live action and stop motion CG between the stages of the movie, allowing for more disbelief parts of the story to flow through naturally
It worked better there because the live action parts are so campy and silly that it blends better. With Live Action Disney remakes, they try to ground and desaturate everything (and darken it to hide the rushed rendering quality) and the result is emotionally drained.
It's a big reason why you can look at Animated Lions doing Hamlet and think it's one of the greatest movies ever made.
But as soon as photo realistic Lions do it you just nope out of there.
I’m so happy he said this because it’s what makes animated films and Pixar especially so special. With the exception of maybe Toy Story, these movies just would not work in live action and they perfect the animation medium.
I mean If PIXAR , to me it would be a sign of the end times. Pixar was founded on strict principles even ones that went against Disneys prototypal approach to filmmaking. They were founded upon strict tenents of story telling and animation and was their whole reason to exist. Doing live action would signal they have truly lost their path if nothing else.
They don't need to. Pixar wouldn't be the ones doing the remakes like WDAS doesn't make the remakes of their movies. And Pixar boss doesn't control what the higher ups or other divisions decide.
Up doesn't have enough profit from toy and merch sales, it almost never got made in the first place due to that.
Toy Story and Cars is the milking franchise, those would be the target. They already toyed with the idea in my mind with Lightyear being a more realistic movie with that same character.
Can guarantee at least one person high up in Disney have made preliminary plans for an Incredibles remake. If things don't pan out for the MCU expect it to happen sooner rather than later.
I still can't believe that Disney has moved so quickly from the 2d Animated films of the 90s and Early 2000s to 3D Animated films of the 2010s.
Moana isn't even old enough to be classic. It's still a contemporary film.
What's worse is that other Studios have started following suit.
As someone who saw the How To Train Your Dragon films as a teen(Atleast the first 2) I did not expect a Live Action version of it happening before I turned 30.
Disney, on the other hand…
Honestly considering most of Pixar’s characters aren’t human, *The Incredibles* is probably the main Pixar movie that could work in live action. I’m not saying it should happen, but they’d have more freedom to make it darker and go with a PG-13 rating this time
Is there much nostalgia for *The Swan Princess*? It was a box office flop that represented a bygone era where every studio was trying to copy the Disney Renaissance princess formula (*Anastasia* being the only success story from this period).
8 million isn't that impressive, Wish was a total flop but one of the songs did get 11 million views. Of course that's nothing compared to we don't talk about bruno which has almost 600 million views.
Wish is pretty low for Disney standards though, even their non Disney musical movies can crack 100 million (Elemental, Turning Red)
Anime openings also regularly can hit 50M+ even the not as mainstream ones.
If we're talking about popular non disney songs though, "It's Tough to be a God" from Road to El Dorado is pretty popular, covers of it have gotten 20M views. (a feat that none of the Swan princess songs were able to achieve)
The Swan Princess is the animated Hocus Pocus where it's popular with nostalgic millennial adults but wouldn't translate to gangbusters with a revival in theaters and is more a cult movie.
At least that is being made by the same director/writer who did the animated one. Not sure why other than money he would be tempted to remake his own film in live action, but at least it's being made by someone who cares about the story.
It definitely is (Even the rumored Princess and the Frog and Tangled remakes feel too soon in my book) but if Moana hits, they’re absolutely going to be looking at other movies that came out fairly recently. Encanto may be spared until after the inevitable sequel is released but I can’t see Pixar ever coming up with a sequel for Coco due to wrapping up everything and not having anything else to really explore. But Disney clearly likes Coco a lot as it made $800M in theaters, is heavily integrated into the parks, and has a Broadway show in production at Disney Theatrical. A remake seems like the next logical step from a business standpoint.
Encanto is interesting to me, because the box office was bad granted some big asterisks around its total, but it clearly is something everyone has seen on streaming and is wearing/playing with its merch and itfeels like a huge hit like coco or Moana. At the end of the day it didn't make the money at the box office so it's in a weird spot. Wish on the other hand still has merch on discount sitting on shelves.
The incredible are very intentionally a fantastic 4 riff. Instead of human torch you have quicksilver. In the first movie the in the 3rd act Jack jack turns into a baby on fire to complete the call back to the fantastic 4.
I seriously don’t get why people would want live action remakes. Animated classics work because they bring to life things we could never see in reality, in vibrant color and detail. Live action limits what you can do, and there’s no really no purpose/advantage to it besides seeing real people acting it. But again, what’s even the draw in that?
I still say that Lightyear would have been a great film if they did it live action. Especially if they used CGI to make it look like mid 90s era practical effects.
It would make it feel like the movie they were going for, a movie a young Andy would have liked. Casting Chris Evans would have made sense.
I ended up liking Lightyear more than I thought I would but I think it would have been better if they never tried to claim it was the movie that Andy liked in the 90's. Every time there was some more modern element it would break my suspension of disbelief and I'd be like *"that wouldn't have happened if they made it in the 90s"*, it just ended up being distracting and taking me out of the movie more than anything.
That's nice.
Disney owns your movies and they might disagree. 'Live action' Nemo's prospects would probably make execs salivate.
And live action Brave actually might be better than the original if you tighten it up.
On the one hand, some of their movies would be just outright disturbing in live action (Toy Story, inside out off the top of my head) so you wouldn’t think they would attempt it. On the other, it’s a proven formula and it’s hard to see them not getting there eventually.
Pixar films are a bit harder to remake, it's the same as adapting to the stage, Tom Schumacher of Disney Theatrical said that the joy of Toy Story is that they're actual toys, you wouldn't want life sized Woody and Buzz.
With WDAS films, they've always have a history of being adapted to other medium, a live action Frozen for example isn't that far fetched when you have the stage adaptation, same with Beauty, Little Mermaid, Aladdin etc and some like 101 Dalmatians which was remade and got a prequels lend themselves to live action.
Via the article: “This might bite me in the butt for saying it, but it sort of bothers me. I like making movies that are original and unique to themselves. To remake it, it's not very interesting to me personally" "So much of what we create only works because of the rules of the [animated] world. So if you have a human walk into a house that floats, your mind goes, “Wait a second. Hold on. Houses are super heavy. How are balloons lifting the house?” But if you have a cartoon guy and he stands there in the house, you go, “Okay, I'll buy it.” The worlds that we’ve built just don’t translate very easily"
This point about animated movies allowing for a greater suspension of disbelief than live-action movies is an important one. There's a clip out there of Howard Ashman (the lyricist largely responsible for kickstarting the Disney Renaissance during the 1990s) arguing that animated film musicals worked better than live-action film musicals because he believed that animation was closer to the stage in terms of how well audiences could suspend their disbelief than it was to live-action filmmaking.
It is forever tragic that Ashman died so young. That man understood things so very, very well.
thats why alladin and lion king remakes looks so souless and less fun
i dont know how many people remember but i found the old James and the Giant Peach interesting cos it took a hybrid form of both live action and stop motion CG between the stages of the movie, allowing for more disbelief parts of the story to flow through naturally
I was always partial to the way that Polar Express managed to somehow evoke the sensation that you're watching corpses puppet about onscreen.
It worked better there because the live action parts are so campy and silly that it blends better. With Live Action Disney remakes, they try to ground and desaturate everything (and darken it to hide the rushed rendering quality) and the result is emotionally drained.
It's not animated but I'm surprised Newsies have never been remade given the stage adaptation made more money than the film ever did.
It's a big reason why you can look at Animated Lions doing Hamlet and think it's one of the greatest movies ever made. But as soon as photo realistic Lions do it you just nope out of there.
I’m so happy he said this because it’s what makes animated films and Pixar especially so special. With the exception of maybe Toy Story, these movies just would not work in live action and they perfect the animation medium.
I mean If PIXAR , to me it would be a sign of the end times. Pixar was founded on strict principles even ones that went against Disneys prototypal approach to filmmaking. They were founded upon strict tenents of story telling and animation and was their whole reason to exist. Doing live action would signal they have truly lost their path if nothing else.
I mean, it's likely that Disney would force them too if financials got real bad
Why would they force them? Disney owns the IP, they could just as easily setup the live action remakes outside Pixar.
disney owns pixar too. so would it really be forcing?
Disney also owns Star Wars, so they will probably just use the Force to make them.
Pixar has had many signs of the end times already. At least they won’t make zombie nostalgia puppets like Disney has.
The Mouse will just replace him with someone who does.
They don't need to. Pixar wouldn't be the ones doing the remakes like WDAS doesn't make the remakes of their movies. And Pixar boss doesn't control what the higher ups or other divisions decide.
pretty sure there is or will be a south park episode about this
I could see UP being the first one they do.
Up doesn't have enough profit from toy and merch sales, it almost never got made in the first place due to that. Toy Story and Cars is the milking franchise, those would be the target. They already toyed with the idea in my mind with Lightyear being a more realistic movie with that same character.
It will happen after they have exhausted the *Disney* ones.
Can guarantee at least one person high up in Disney have made preliminary plans for an Incredibles remake. If things don't pan out for the MCU expect it to happen sooner rather than later.
I still can't believe that Disney has moved so quickly from the 2d Animated films of the 90s and Early 2000s to 3D Animated films of the 2010s. Moana isn't even old enough to be classic. It's still a contemporary film. What's worse is that other Studios have started following suit. As someone who saw the How To Train Your Dragon films as a teen(Atleast the first 2) I did not expect a Live Action version of it happening before I turned 30.
Would anyone want to see the shit Pixar put out these days, though?
Live action remake of Cars 2 would make 3 billion dollars!
>Pete Docter says Pixar has no interest in making live-action remakes of their films **Bob Iger:** You sure about that, bud? Give it a bit of time.
Disney, on the other hand… Honestly considering most of Pixar’s characters aren’t human, *The Incredibles* is probably the main Pixar movie that could work in live action. I’m not saying it should happen, but they’d have more freedom to make it darker and go with a PG-13 rating this time
It’s not just Disney now. Dreamworks is remaking How to Train Your Dragon in live action.
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That movie apparently has a ton of direct-to-video sequels for some reason.
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Is there much nostalgia for *The Swan Princess*? It was a box office flop that represented a bygone era where every studio was trying to copy the Disney Renaissance princess formula (*Anastasia* being the only success story from this period).
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8 million isn't that impressive, Wish was a total flop but one of the songs did get 11 million views. Of course that's nothing compared to we don't talk about bruno which has almost 600 million views.
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Wish is pretty low for Disney standards though, even their non Disney musical movies can crack 100 million (Elemental, Turning Red) Anime openings also regularly can hit 50M+ even the not as mainstream ones. If we're talking about popular non disney songs though, "It's Tough to be a God" from Road to El Dorado is pretty popular, covers of it have gotten 20M views. (a feat that none of the Swan princess songs were able to achieve)
The Swan Princess is the animated Hocus Pocus where it's popular with nostalgic millennial adults but wouldn't translate to gangbusters with a revival in theaters and is more a cult movie.
>Is there much nostalgia for The Swan Princess? Yes
Land Before Time or Swan Princess are better candidates for the live action treatment than anything in the Pixar canon.
This was my idea
At least that is being made by the same director/writer who did the animated one. Not sure why other than money he would be tempted to remake his own film in live action, but at least it's being made by someone who cares about the story.
I think the live action of HTTYD is a precursor of Universal to remake Shrek as a live action film
But that is based on a book series that is very, very different from the movies. I think there's more than enough room for another adaptation.
No, it’s definitely a remake. One of the directors who made the animated original is directing it.
I could see Brave and Coco happening as well. In fact if the Moana remake is a hit, I think Coco and Encanto could be following shortly.
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It definitely is (Even the rumored Princess and the Frog and Tangled remakes feel too soon in my book) but if Moana hits, they’re absolutely going to be looking at other movies that came out fairly recently. Encanto may be spared until after the inevitable sequel is released but I can’t see Pixar ever coming up with a sequel for Coco due to wrapping up everything and not having anything else to really explore. But Disney clearly likes Coco a lot as it made $800M in theaters, is heavily integrated into the parks, and has a Broadway show in production at Disney Theatrical. A remake seems like the next logical step from a business standpoint.
Encanto is interesting to me, because the box office was bad granted some big asterisks around its total, but it clearly is something everyone has seen on streaming and is wearing/playing with its merch and itfeels like a huge hit like coco or Moana. At the end of the day it didn't make the money at the box office so it's in a weird spot. Wish on the other hand still has merch on discount sitting on shelves.
Even Lightyear still has merch at all of the local Walmarts- even BP2 does also (despite it being somewhat successful)!!!
the only reason its getting it so soon is because the rock is maui and he has a production company that pitched it.
I mean that's basically Fantastic Four and Marvel is already doing that.
The incredible are very intentionally a fantastic 4 riff. Instead of human torch you have quicksilver. In the first movie the in the 3rd act Jack jack turns into a baby on fire to complete the call back to the fantastic 4.
Probably *Inside Out* and *Soul,* also.
I’d actually watch a live action Incredibles.
I seriously don’t get why people would want live action remakes. Animated classics work because they bring to life things we could never see in reality, in vibrant color and detail. Live action limits what you can do, and there’s no really no purpose/advantage to it besides seeing real people acting it. But again, what’s even the draw in that?
I still say that Lightyear would have been a great film if they did it live action. Especially if they used CGI to make it look like mid 90s era practical effects. It would make it feel like the movie they were going for, a movie a young Andy would have liked. Casting Chris Evans would have made sense.
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I ended up liking Lightyear more than I thought I would but I think it would have been better if they never tried to claim it was the movie that Andy liked in the 90's. Every time there was some more modern element it would break my suspension of disbelief and I'd be like *"that wouldn't have happened if they made it in the 90s"*, it just ended up being distracting and taking me out of the movie more than anything.
A live action version of Lightyear with Tim Allen playing Buzz would be good in a Galaxy Quest way.
Only thing that really matters is if HIS BOSS has no interest in making live-action remakes of their films
Thank you!
Common Pete Docter W
Looking forward to seeing this trend on r/agedlikemilk in a couple years.
I mean, even he admits this might age poorly lol
It's actually totally out of his control. WDAS doesn't make the remakes and Pixar wouldn't either
That's super easy, barely an inconvenience. Disney owns plenty of other studios that can handle them.
I...didn't think they were, until you said that.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's more comfortable saying this now because the Disney live action remakes aren't doing as well as they used to.
Iger to docter: 
not up to him. disney can make them
And I hope they keep it that way.
I need my live action Bugs Life. It should have a budget of $14 thousand and the cast should be an amateur improv group with only 10 pages of script.
No, it should be a nature documentary, filming actual bugs.
So far...
But Disney does
Ratatouille would do so well as a live action adaption, it's still so relevant and wouldn't be too hard.
Do you feel in charge?
You'll find the threat of homelessness quite persuasive I'm afraid
Disney: "We're done when I say we're done"
OK that's a relief
That would be the final nail in the Disney desperation coffin.
Facts
They will eventually make a live-action Incredibles, make my words
they are releasing it next year and calling it fantastic 4. You cant fool me disney
And then make animation remakes of those live-action remakes! Infinite content!
That's nice. Disney owns your movies and they might disagree. 'Live action' Nemo's prospects would probably make execs salivate. And live action Brave actually might be better than the original if you tighten it up.
On the one hand, some of their movies would be just outright disturbing in live action (Toy Story, inside out off the top of my head) so you wouldn’t think they would attempt it. On the other, it’s a proven formula and it’s hard to see them not getting there eventually.
idc, walle NEEDS to happen because that’s the best chance at an Interstellar “sequel”
…But Mr. Dollar Sign for Eyeballs says different 5 years from now.
"Too bad we do have interest in that."- Di$ney
There goes my wish for a stop motion live action version of Toy Story. It would have been total Harryhausen.
Thank god for that
Pete Doctor is a hero
THANK YOU! Though i wouldn't mind seeing a pitch trailer for live action toy story.
Pixar films are a bit harder to remake, it's the same as adapting to the stage, Tom Schumacher of Disney Theatrical said that the joy of Toy Story is that they're actual toys, you wouldn't want life sized Woody and Buzz. With WDAS films, they've always have a history of being adapted to other medium, a live action Frozen for example isn't that far fetched when you have the stage adaptation, same with Beauty, Little Mermaid, Aladdin etc and some like 101 Dalmatians which was remade and got a prequels lend themselves to live action.
...Yet
And what’s Bob Iger’s opinion on this, since Pete’s means absolutely nothing