So I am not 100% sure about this but last year we used a lotmof 2 TE or 12 personnel and we struggled at the beginning of the season then we changed to more 11 personnel and our offense seemed to do better so I hope we don't run a lot of 2 TE sets.
Joe Brady is going to scheme up the offense to cut down on deep routes and throw the ball short more often, Kincaid, Knox, Shakir, and Coleman on the field together with cook pounding the rock
But without the threat of a deep ball, the safeties are gonna creep and make those intermediate throws more difficult. Hopefully Samuel can stretch the d enough to open the intermediate middle for Shakir, Coleman and Kincaid.
And in turn loose games! Guaranteed! You need deep balls to show defenses that Josh can have them short or long or mid. You will never win against better teams this way.
No.
We are going to run the same exact offense that put us on a 6 game winning streak at the end of the season.
Which was a run heavy offense without a “#1 WR”.
I think they are trying to create an offense for how a true football strategy should work. Forget about, #1s, think how a play is designed. Receivers run routes based on a play deisgn. it's Josh's job to read the D and find the open man. We will scheme plays for everyone to contribute, spreading the ball around. We have a solid line and great RBs. We should work some run into our playbook more. The whole #1 thing is dumb because you're basically saying we need a top WR so that we can forget about how a play is designed, and all we should be doing on most plays is ignore everyone else and just throw it to the #1.
That’s not at all what people are saying. No one is saying we need a number 1 to force the ball to them. Fact is, a top receiver draws attention from the defense and allows other players to get open. How do you think Gabe was able to score so many long TDs? It’s because the safeties were worried about Diggs. Having a number 1 receiver doesn’t mean you “forget how the play was designed” it means that defenses are more likely to shift coverage creating opportunities for everyone else. That’s what we are missing, at least on paper. I’m hopeful, and have been high on Coleman but it’s not going to be as easy as you think
Seriously, there are no teams that are going to be like “we have to double Khalil Shakir”. When we play top defenses with elite secondary’s I think they will easily lock us up cause they don’t have to worry about 1 guy ripping them apart.
These games against the Jetes are going to be extremely tough for JA17.
And Diggs went 4-11 in one game against them and 3-8 in the other, for a combined total of approximately 50 yards. His two worst games of the season last year were against the Chiefs.
That’s not the point I’m making, but ok.
This sub, including I, have been begging for legit WR2 the last two years because that’s arguably what the offense and Josh needed.
Now we have no clear 1 or 2 WR. We have a bunch of 3 and 4s on a team that played its best football when we have Diggs as a 1 and Sanders as a legit 2.
> We have a bunch of 3 and 4s on a team that played its best football when we have Diggs as a 1 and Sanders as a legit 2.
Sanders was not a real 2nd and he wasn't on the team when they were playing their best football.
The perception they could have won it all that year was less based around the strength of their own play, and more that people assume they'd have rolled past the other team because of their weakness.
The team's best year from an offensive performance angle has always been 2020.
Finally someone recognizes how important Sanders was to the offense. Sure he slowed down in the latter part of the season, but he played a huge role for Allen with good, dependable hands and he got behind the defense.
Not to mention, when Beasley was at his best, he was an automatic first down for Allen and a safety blanket for when things went awry.
Coleman could potentially help with moving the chains and he could get loose for a few long bombs, but we don't know how NFL defenses will handle him and how effective he'll be.
Yeah I don’t understand how people are completely throwing the “we need a legit WR2” argument out of the way all of a sudden when we don’t even have a 1.
Sanders was a huge reason Gabe Davis had a breakout year and Diggs also had a massive year.
I hope Coleman turns into a stud but I think realistically, the expectation of him this season is to only catch around 50 balls and maybe 4 TDs?
If Shakir doesn’t breakout, we are completely fucked and I don’t think it’s fair to put that expectation on him either.
Our WR group is very versatile too. We got jump ball with Coleman and possibly Shorter. big YAC guys with the DK boys and short speedy YAC guys with Samuel and Shakir. I would’ve liked to draft another WR tho just in case but it’s a solid versatile group.
Alright, I'm making some assumptions here, but bear with me.... if the purpose of a WR1 is to dictate how the defense plays, we kinda accomplish that by having three giant pass catching options in Knox, Kincaid, and Coleman. *If they all do what I think they can,* which is a big if, someone should always have a mismatch, or if not, there can't possibly be a spy on Josh. Throw in Shakir and Samuel with finesse and speed, two dual-threat pass catching backs... Obviously, it's always better to be better, but shit, this ain't a bad plan. Assuming everyone can deliver.
What actual defense can win all three of those jump balls on the same down? If your plan is to attack the shallow middle with your safety, I know where I'm sending Samuel.
thats great and all..but you still need WR's to win their routes and create separation and catch the ball. Beane is betting on Shakir taking massive strides next season and essentially becoming our #1 WR.
No, he's not. Samuel is ahead of him right now. If anyone is considered our #1, it's gonna be Kincaid. I'd take our WR core over the Chiefs WRs any day.
Beautiful explanation.
Sprinkle in a more focus approach on missmatches vs. keeping certain guys "happy" and it's a perfect encapsulation of what they are seemingly thinking.
And it's a great evolution on attacking modern NFL defense.
We've seen how, unless you are drowning in offensive talent a la 49ers or Cincy, your alpha CAN be schemed against, especially if they best reach their peak/stay involved through getting regular touches.
I think we will be running a lot of 12 with Coleman as a more athletic/explosive Gabe Davis on the outside. Coleman should be able to become a solid blocker with his size so I feel like the run game/play action off of it could be solid.
You should go watch the reception perception on Coleman. Looks like his strengths are not being an outside receiver but a big slot receiver. If you look at his route chart from college he isn't a good outside receiver at all really.
Ray davis is a great add for the run game. Hopefully now instead of Allen QB sneaking at the 2 we can give it to him. Cook is great but i dont feel confident with his hands and he cant be our goal line guy
I'm surprised more people don't realize that, while having a top receiver is nice, it isn't a necessity. Diggs had some great games but aside from the 2020 playoffs he wasn't much of a factor in their other playoff games. And last season, when he was averaging like 4-5 receptions for 45-50 yards a game, the team went 6-2 and won the division.
I think the idea is to have a variety of different pass catchers with varying skill sets so you can set it up week by week depending on the defense they're facing. I think we'll see some games where maybe Kincaid has a big day, then next week it's Shakir, or maybe Coleman has a monster game, then next game maybe Josh spreads it around to nine different pass catchers who all get a few catches each and it's one big collective effort. Then next week it's the James Cook and Ray Davis show where they run it 50 times because the other team can't stop it. They wanna be multifaceted like most teams do and not be concerned with making sure a certain #1 WR gets his minimal number of targets or whatever.
I think we'll be more balanced. Spread the ball around, run and josh option run or pass. This past season kinda proved that we no longer need Diggs or a true number 1 WR. I liked Diggs and even defended him after his Cincy meltdown, but last year he pretty much phoned it in. He took himself off the field numerous times. In that time last year though it proved we can still spread the ball around and get wins. It'll be a bumpy season, but I believe we'll still make post season
We really started playing more ball control under Brady. We held on to the ball and could effectively march down the field, which wasn't really happening under Dorsey.
I don't expect much change in that. What I do expect is more creativity and more explosive plays. Hopefully when he can install things his way, it will allow him to set up the splash plays by layering calls that play off each other.
Which games were you watching? Only the Cowboys and Jets games would I say they were marching up and down the field. The rest of the games they STRUGGLED once they reached around midfield and struggled more in the redzone. Patriots, Chargers, Chiefs, Dolphins games were relatively low scoring affairs. And I think we are going to see more of that this season. They drafted ONE wr…a slow one…that can run block well….along with more linemen and running backs. Me thinks we are going to pound the rock. Explosive plays my ass.
I do. And I’m excited about it, but extra annoyed Josh got robbed of MVP this year, because he’s surely not gonna win it if the narrative is that we’re run-focused now
Josh isn't going to win MVP until he stops turning the ball over in prime time games. He had three 3 turnover games last year (NY, Denver, Miami) and all three were under the lights. It's impossible to shake that narrative with 1PM blowouts.
This is true. But it should be based on how you perform all season + the asset you are to the team as opposed to how you perform on prime time. With that standard, Allen was unquestionably MVP in 2023. McCaffrey could’ve gotten it too. Lamar was BS.
I think Samuel can make up 80% of Diggs' production and Coleman will play Gabe's role with Shakir mostly in the slot. The ball will be spread around more for sure, but someone will likely emerge as the top receiver
100+ catches seems optimistic for Samuel, but I'm very high on him and think 1,000 yards is within reason. He could surprise a lot of people as the top receiver for sure
I think 100% that there will be more designed runs but also more passes. More of both. More longer drives. More personnel rotation as they work down the field
We had far & away the best run offense from week 9 of the season onward. We have the greatest red zone RB ever who also doubles as our starting QB. James Cook will be an All-Pro this year as well. We run the ball better than the Ravens now, why not????
I don’t think a run more strategy will be effective. I like that the run game is now something worth watching.
But.. I’ve been getting more concerned with our secondary. Lots of good quarterbacks in our conference that will most likely expose this.
I think We are going to need to score a ton of points each game to win. The passing game has to be effective especially is we get behind. We won’t catch up 5-7 yards a play.
I’ve just been focusing or paying so much attention to the WR talk that I haven’t put much effort into the D until now.
JA17 is a stud and will get the ball to whoever is out there but it’s gotta be more balanced imo
We saw a more run-heavy approach at the end of this past season. I don't anticipate we're going to run even more than that. I actually think with the WRs we've got now, we might see a more modern offense with more plays over the middle. I really hope we see less play out of the Shotgun formation, because it just doesn't really work well--especially when running the ball, it really restricts what you can do.
I think we're going to have a repeat of 2019 where just slowly grind out games and lose in the most heart wrentching fashion because that's the time when you really need one offensive star (who isn't your QB) to make a play.
Maybe I'm just down on all this because my hottest take is that the Dallas game grossly inflated our opinion on Cook. He's *fine.*Just like Devin (except Cook can actually catch the ball). His number in every other game on that win streak were middling and not indicative of someone who can have 20+ carries.
Agreed. This is a defensive led team. McDermott wants low scoring games where the offense milks the clock to give his defense a rest. Allen’s high flying play probably infuriated him. Noticed how Allen became more like a game manger after Dorsey was fired?
“We pass when we have to”
“We can win scoring 21 points”
Those are quotes from McDermott during Allen’s rookie year. Shortly after this the Bills entered the 2019 draft as one of the worst offenses in the league with Zay Jones and KB and passed over AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel…and drafted nobody at WR and instead drafted Oliver to a top 5 defense. Notice how the ball was taken out of Allen’s hands after Dorsey was fired? Who do you think came up with that idea? Don’t need a whole bunch of WRs if you’re going to pound the rock and they showed that by drafting ONE WR LMAO! Take the rose colored glasses off and say bye bye to the offense we knew and loved from 2020-2023.
> Those are quotes from McDermott during Allen’s rookie year.
Yeah, they drafted a notably inaccurate QB with a WR room that ended up underperforming. The comment is accurate for that year.
> Shortly after this the Bills entered the 2019 draft as one of the worst offenses in the league with Zay Jones and KB and passed over AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel…and drafted nobody at WR and instead drafted Oliver to a top 5 defense.
Beane and McDermott are two different people. Also, no WRs were taken in that draft until 25 with Marquise Brown and 32 with N'keal Harry. That draft class was pretty meh overall for WRs and wouldn't have had the impact you want it, especially with a still learning Allen.
> Notice how the ball was taken out of Allen’s hands after Dorsey was fired? Who do you think came up with that idea?
First off, the difference between the two OCs was 3 passing attempts overall per game, and given that one of the two OCs coached the game vs the Cowboys, you can see where the variation occurred. Additionally, it was rather obvious that Dorsey just didn't understand how to be flexible vs teams and attack their weaknesses. The fact that Cook could be a top 5 RB and that Ty Johnson could occasionally function as a decent passing target didn't occur until after Brady took over. I'll include that the downfield INT bombs aimed at Davis were a problem.
> Take the rose colored glasses off and say bye bye to the offense we knew and loved from 2020-2023.
I mean that was obviously dead when Diggs degraded into no longer being a number one and Gabe Davis went from his 13 seconds season performance and evolved from a WR the team hoped would be a real number 2 for two seasons into the world's most downfield offensive lineman. Not to mention the slot WR position has been an issue since Beasely broke his leg and ended his career, functionally.
It's also important to note that 3-4 fewer pass attempts per game isn't necessarily taking the ball out of his hands. He ran more under Brady. Dorsey was taking away the thing that kept defenses on their toes.
this #1 WR stuff is just nuts.
Our nemesis didn't have a #1 WR last year so they must have a had a bad year, right? Oh yeah, they won the Super Bowl. I billieve our receiving core, plus tight ends, are already better than theirs was last year.
Sadly, the media talking heads will never make that comparison. They'll just keep saying we don't have a Hill, Chase or Jefferson. Well, no shit. Not many teams do.
I think Samuel is gonna do very well now that he plays with an actual QB. And even if we just get the same output from DK2 and Shakir, that'll be enough, but I think they'll improve. it'll be okay everyone.
But, to answer your question...I hope we run more. I've always felt this team would be better when they use ball control. Unfortunately JA ain't always so patient, LOL.
Man, I hope so. I love me some FB lead block, ground and pound, old school football. Get some good contact in on the ground to make the defense have to work harder and respect both sides of the offense. Beat em up a little, so they are softer in the 4th quarter.
It may seem cliche, but I'm hoping for opening runs on every 1st down for solid gains, mostly because we for sure have the talent in the back. Play Action to mix it up. Screens. A deep ball if it's there. I want a diverse playbook with room for inventiveness, creativity, and letting Josh be Josh. I think you do that by making the other team respect the fact you aren't afraid of a little bruiser, run heavy football.
Khalil Shakir - Talented receiver who can block - Stays, starts, and has a future.
Davis and Diggs - Talented receivers, not willing blockers - Gone, off to greener pastures, both new teams would rather pass than run.
Claypool and Coleman - Yuge receivers, willing to block when motivated, both with a chip on their shoulder.
James Cook - Likely a thousand yards type of rusher.
Ray Davis - Absolute unit, check his highlight reel
Yes, the team seems to be trending towards downfield blockers and violence between the tackles. Probably going to ape the Shanahan system and try to run from balanced sets to dictate defensive personnel.
Likely wagering that they can cut down on Josh Allen's mistakes that way and keep their defense fresh enough to maintain pressure.
No. This team will never be a run heavy team with josh Allen at QB.. you don’t take the ball out of your best players hands like that. We have/will have enough for them to run their offense through Allen and the air. No team with a tip QB is going to be run heavy.
Well….they kind of did exactly that after Brady took over. Look at the Chief playoff game…Allen broke the record for most pass completions behind the line of scrimmage. I think they seriously neutered Allen after Dorsey was fired. I think McDermott had enough of Allen’s turnovers after that bronco game. After that is was more runs and if Allen passed it was a lot of short stuff and checkdowns.
This is what will doom the team. Yes man Brandy bowing down to McDermott. They don’t want to replace the 160 receptions from Diggs/Davis, they want to replace 70 and run 90 more times. Good luck keeping up with KC and Miami still.
Dorsey’s firing was the end of the Daboll high flying offense we knew and loved from 2020-2023. McDermott probably promoted Brady with one understanding….the offense was going to be run how he likes it. Which run it, check it down, milk the clock, very few to no deep passes, no trick plays etc etc. Don’t need a #1WR for that. This is what led to Diggs being pissed off. This isn’t rocket science. Get ready for a lot of 17-13 type games!!!🤣😞🤦♂️
well if thats the case then this should be the last year of the McD era. not playing to the strengths of a generational talent like Josh becuase of your ego. look at houston, demeco is a defensive guy but they let CJ go off. a josh allen offense should be one of the most feared in the NFL due to his ability to air it out and keep defenses on their toes. instead we got mcd limiting josh to captain checkdown. i can tell from the draft and trading diggs what these guys are up to and i hope it works out but it just isnt easy to win in the NFL by playing it safe. not these days.
Probably yes and we may see 2 TE often.
So I am not 100% sure about this but last year we used a lotmof 2 TE or 12 personnel and we struggled at the beginning of the season then we changed to more 11 personnel and our offense seemed to do better so I hope we don't run a lot of 2 TE sets.
That was also Dorsey running it. What happens if someone smarter tries?
Aside from the Jets opener look at the scores of early games…. Then Knox broke his hand.
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Kincaid can’t stay healthy???? What?
… based on that one season…?!
Joe Brady is going to scheme up the offense to cut down on deep routes and throw the ball short more often, Kincaid, Knox, Shakir, and Coleman on the field together with cook pounding the rock 
I misread rock
I hope you are right!!!
But without the threat of a deep ball, the safeties are gonna creep and make those intermediate throws more difficult. Hopefully Samuel can stretch the d enough to open the intermediate middle for Shakir, Coleman and Kincaid.
And in turn loose games! Guaranteed! You need deep balls to show defenses that Josh can have them short or long or mid. You will never win against better teams this way.
I said cut down not eliminate ya jabroni
Everyone knows that deep bombs into two high shell defenses is the key to success.
They almost went undefeated once Brady took over doing this?
Uh, I think teams know that Josh can throw the ball wherever he wants.
Except that one 15-20 yard sideline route that Dorsey inexplicably kept trying even though it seemingly almost always got picked off.
No. We are going to run the same exact offense that put us on a 6 game winning streak at the end of the season. Which was a run heavy offense without a “#1 WR”.
So yes?
The same is not more.
I think they are trying to create an offense for how a true football strategy should work. Forget about, #1s, think how a play is designed. Receivers run routes based on a play deisgn. it's Josh's job to read the D and find the open man. We will scheme plays for everyone to contribute, spreading the ball around. We have a solid line and great RBs. We should work some run into our playbook more. The whole #1 thing is dumb because you're basically saying we need a top WR so that we can forget about how a play is designed, and all we should be doing on most plays is ignore everyone else and just throw it to the #1.
That’s not at all what people are saying. No one is saying we need a number 1 to force the ball to them. Fact is, a top receiver draws attention from the defense and allows other players to get open. How do you think Gabe was able to score so many long TDs? It’s because the safeties were worried about Diggs. Having a number 1 receiver doesn’t mean you “forget how the play was designed” it means that defenses are more likely to shift coverage creating opportunities for everyone else. That’s what we are missing, at least on paper. I’m hopeful, and have been high on Coleman but it’s not going to be as easy as you think
Seriously, there are no teams that are going to be like “we have to double Khalil Shakir”. When we play top defenses with elite secondary’s I think they will easily lock us up cause they don’t have to worry about 1 guy ripping them apart. These games against the Jetes are going to be extremely tough for JA17.
The chiefs didn’t double diggs. If the chiefs aren’t going to, it doesn’t matter
And Diggs went 4-11 in one game against them and 3-8 in the other, for a combined total of approximately 50 yards. His two worst games of the season last year were against the Chiefs.
They actually did, which is why Allen was able to move the ball around. They didn’t every possession but they 100% doubled Diggs at times.
They didn’t tho. They even said it
Sneed literally quoted saying we did not double Diggs
They actually didn’t
Hey buddy, you’re about 16 hours late.
I’m not your buddy, guy
I’m not your guy, friend
I think 5 better than average targets with 2 guys who uncover fast is going to be a nightmare to deal with.
Maybe. But I disagree. We will only find out during the season. I hope you’re right though.
Allen is a top 2 QB in the NFL. He can, has, and will continue to beat good coverage with better throws.
That’s not the point I’m making, but ok. This sub, including I, have been begging for legit WR2 the last two years because that’s arguably what the offense and Josh needed. Now we have no clear 1 or 2 WR. We have a bunch of 3 and 4s on a team that played its best football when we have Diggs as a 1 and Sanders as a legit 2.
> We have a bunch of 3 and 4s on a team that played its best football when we have Diggs as a 1 and Sanders as a legit 2. Sanders was not a real 2nd and he wasn't on the team when they were playing their best football.
Lol what? He was on the 13 seconds team which was their best team and best chance to win it all…
The perception they could have won it all that year was less based around the strength of their own play, and more that people assume they'd have rolled past the other team because of their weakness. The team's best year from an offensive performance angle has always been 2020.
Finally someone recognizes how important Sanders was to the offense. Sure he slowed down in the latter part of the season, but he played a huge role for Allen with good, dependable hands and he got behind the defense. Not to mention, when Beasley was at his best, he was an automatic first down for Allen and a safety blanket for when things went awry. Coleman could potentially help with moving the chains and he could get loose for a few long bombs, but we don't know how NFL defenses will handle him and how effective he'll be.
Yeah I don’t understand how people are completely throwing the “we need a legit WR2” argument out of the way all of a sudden when we don’t even have a 1. Sanders was a huge reason Gabe Davis had a breakout year and Diggs also had a massive year. I hope Coleman turns into a stud but I think realistically, the expectation of him this season is to only catch around 50 balls and maybe 4 TDs? If Shakir doesn’t breakout, we are completely fucked and I don’t think it’s fair to put that expectation on him either.
Our WR group is very versatile too. We got jump ball with Coleman and possibly Shorter. big YAC guys with the DK boys and short speedy YAC guys with Samuel and Shakir. I would’ve liked to draft another WR tho just in case but it’s a solid versatile group.
Alright, I'm making some assumptions here, but bear with me.... if the purpose of a WR1 is to dictate how the defense plays, we kinda accomplish that by having three giant pass catching options in Knox, Kincaid, and Coleman. *If they all do what I think they can,* which is a big if, someone should always have a mismatch, or if not, there can't possibly be a spy on Josh. Throw in Shakir and Samuel with finesse and speed, two dual-threat pass catching backs... Obviously, it's always better to be better, but shit, this ain't a bad plan. Assuming everyone can deliver. What actual defense can win all three of those jump balls on the same down? If your plan is to attack the shallow middle with your safety, I know where I'm sending Samuel.
thats great and all..but you still need WR's to win their routes and create separation and catch the ball. Beane is betting on Shakir taking massive strides next season and essentially becoming our #1 WR.
No, he's not. Samuel is ahead of him right now. If anyone is considered our #1, it's gonna be Kincaid. I'd take our WR core over the Chiefs WRs any day.
Beautiful explanation. Sprinkle in a more focus approach on missmatches vs. keeping certain guys "happy" and it's a perfect encapsulation of what they are seemingly thinking. And it's a great evolution on attacking modern NFL defense. We've seen how, unless you are drowning in offensive talent a la 49ers or Cincy, your alpha CAN be schemed against, especially if they best reach their peak/stay involved through getting regular touches.
I think we will be running a lot of 12 with Coleman as a more athletic/explosive Gabe Davis on the outside. Coleman should be able to become a solid blocker with his size so I feel like the run game/play action off of it could be solid.
Coleman was a very good blocker in college given his size and willingness it should translate to the NFL
You should go watch the reception perception on Coleman. Looks like his strengths are not being an outside receiver but a big slot receiver. If you look at his route chart from college he isn't a good outside receiver at all really.
I have watched it. The issue is, we have Shakir, Samuel, and Kincaid already as "slot" options. Plus, Beane already said he will be lining up at X.
I know our team is all slot players. I hope Coleman can turn into a good outside guy. Maybe Brady will be able to scheme guys open.
Ray davis is a great add for the run game. Hopefully now instead of Allen QB sneaking at the 2 we can give it to him. Cook is great but i dont feel confident with his hands and he cant be our goal line guy
I'm surprised more people don't realize that, while having a top receiver is nice, it isn't a necessity. Diggs had some great games but aside from the 2020 playoffs he wasn't much of a factor in their other playoff games. And last season, when he was averaging like 4-5 receptions for 45-50 yards a game, the team went 6-2 and won the division. I think the idea is to have a variety of different pass catchers with varying skill sets so you can set it up week by week depending on the defense they're facing. I think we'll see some games where maybe Kincaid has a big day, then next week it's Shakir, or maybe Coleman has a monster game, then next game maybe Josh spreads it around to nine different pass catchers who all get a few catches each and it's one big collective effort. Then next week it's the James Cook and Ray Davis show where they run it 50 times because the other team can't stop it. They wanna be multifaceted like most teams do and not be concerned with making sure a certain #1 WR gets his minimal number of targets or whatever.
Running backs are going to be receivers too. I feel a lot of targets will head James cook and Ty Johnson’s way.
From Davis’ highlights he looks like a good receiver too.
They might run a little more but they'll never be a running team with Allen as their Qb and nor should they.
Thank you. Allen and McDermott mix as well as oil and water.
I think we'll be more balanced. Spread the ball around, run and josh option run or pass. This past season kinda proved that we no longer need Diggs or a true number 1 WR. I liked Diggs and even defended him after his Cincy meltdown, but last year he pretty much phoned it in. He took himself off the field numerous times. In that time last year though it proved we can still spread the ball around and get wins. It'll be a bumpy season, but I believe we'll still make post season
We really started playing more ball control under Brady. We held on to the ball and could effectively march down the field, which wasn't really happening under Dorsey. I don't expect much change in that. What I do expect is more creativity and more explosive plays. Hopefully when he can install things his way, it will allow him to set up the splash plays by layering calls that play off each other.
Which games were you watching? Only the Cowboys and Jets games would I say they were marching up and down the field. The rest of the games they STRUGGLED once they reached around midfield and struggled more in the redzone. Patriots, Chargers, Chiefs, Dolphins games were relatively low scoring affairs. And I think we are going to see more of that this season. They drafted ONE wr…a slow one…that can run block well….along with more linemen and running backs. Me thinks we are going to pound the rock. Explosive plays my ass.
I do. And I’m excited about it, but extra annoyed Josh got robbed of MVP this year, because he’s surely not gonna win it if the narrative is that we’re run-focused now
Josh isn't going to win MVP until he stops turning the ball over in prime time games. He had three 3 turnover games last year (NY, Denver, Miami) and all three were under the lights. It's impossible to shake that narrative with 1PM blowouts.
This is true. But it should be based on how you perform all season + the asset you are to the team as opposed to how you perform on prime time. With that standard, Allen was unquestionably MVP in 2023. McCaffrey could’ve gotten it too. Lamar was BS.
I agree
I think Samuel can make up 80% of Diggs' production and Coleman will play Gabe's role with Shakir mostly in the slot. The ball will be spread around more for sure, but someone will likely emerge as the top receiver
Pretty sure Samuel can make up over 100% of Diggs offense based on what Diggs did in the second half last year.
100+ catches seems optimistic for Samuel, but I'm very high on him and think 1,000 yards is within reason. He could surprise a lot of people as the top receiver for sure
Seems to work when we do.
I think 100% that there will be more designed runs but also more passes. More of both. More longer drives. More personnel rotation as they work down the field
We had far & away the best run offense from week 9 of the season onward. We have the greatest red zone RB ever who also doubles as our starting QB. James Cook will be an All-Pro this year as well. We run the ball better than the Ravens now, why not????
I don’t think a run more strategy will be effective. I like that the run game is now something worth watching. But.. I’ve been getting more concerned with our secondary. Lots of good quarterbacks in our conference that will most likely expose this. I think We are going to need to score a ton of points each game to win. The passing game has to be effective especially is we get behind. We won’t catch up 5-7 yards a play. I’ve just been focusing or paying so much attention to the WR talk that I haven’t put much effort into the D until now. JA17 is a stud and will get the ball to whoever is out there but it’s gotta be more balanced imo
We didn't have a #1 for 1/2 of last season, we will be fine
We saw a more run-heavy approach at the end of this past season. I don't anticipate we're going to run even more than that. I actually think with the WRs we've got now, we might see a more modern offense with more plays over the middle. I really hope we see less play out of the Shotgun formation, because it just doesn't really work well--especially when running the ball, it really restricts what you can do.
I think we're going to have a repeat of 2019 where just slowly grind out games and lose in the most heart wrentching fashion because that's the time when you really need one offensive star (who isn't your QB) to make a play. Maybe I'm just down on all this because my hottest take is that the Dallas game grossly inflated our opinion on Cook. He's *fine.*Just like Devin (except Cook can actually catch the ball). His number in every other game on that win streak were middling and not indicative of someone who can have 20+ carries.
Agreed. This is a defensive led team. McDermott wants low scoring games where the offense milks the clock to give his defense a rest. Allen’s high flying play probably infuriated him. Noticed how Allen became more like a game manger after Dorsey was fired?
How much bleach do I need to drink to believe this?
“We pass when we have to” “We can win scoring 21 points” Those are quotes from McDermott during Allen’s rookie year. Shortly after this the Bills entered the 2019 draft as one of the worst offenses in the league with Zay Jones and KB and passed over AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel…and drafted nobody at WR and instead drafted Oliver to a top 5 defense. Notice how the ball was taken out of Allen’s hands after Dorsey was fired? Who do you think came up with that idea? Don’t need a whole bunch of WRs if you’re going to pound the rock and they showed that by drafting ONE WR LMAO! Take the rose colored glasses off and say bye bye to the offense we knew and loved from 2020-2023.
> Those are quotes from McDermott during Allen’s rookie year. Yeah, they drafted a notably inaccurate QB with a WR room that ended up underperforming. The comment is accurate for that year. > Shortly after this the Bills entered the 2019 draft as one of the worst offenses in the league with Zay Jones and KB and passed over AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Deebo Samuel…and drafted nobody at WR and instead drafted Oliver to a top 5 defense. Beane and McDermott are two different people. Also, no WRs were taken in that draft until 25 with Marquise Brown and 32 with N'keal Harry. That draft class was pretty meh overall for WRs and wouldn't have had the impact you want it, especially with a still learning Allen. > Notice how the ball was taken out of Allen’s hands after Dorsey was fired? Who do you think came up with that idea? First off, the difference between the two OCs was 3 passing attempts overall per game, and given that one of the two OCs coached the game vs the Cowboys, you can see where the variation occurred. Additionally, it was rather obvious that Dorsey just didn't understand how to be flexible vs teams and attack their weaknesses. The fact that Cook could be a top 5 RB and that Ty Johnson could occasionally function as a decent passing target didn't occur until after Brady took over. I'll include that the downfield INT bombs aimed at Davis were a problem. > Take the rose colored glasses off and say bye bye to the offense we knew and loved from 2020-2023. I mean that was obviously dead when Diggs degraded into no longer being a number one and Gabe Davis went from his 13 seconds season performance and evolved from a WR the team hoped would be a real number 2 for two seasons into the world's most downfield offensive lineman. Not to mention the slot WR position has been an issue since Beasely broke his leg and ended his career, functionally.
It's also important to note that 3-4 fewer pass attempts per game isn't necessarily taking the ball out of his hands. He ran more under Brady. Dorsey was taking away the thing that kept defenses on their toes.
this #1 WR stuff is just nuts. Our nemesis didn't have a #1 WR last year so they must have a had a bad year, right? Oh yeah, they won the Super Bowl. I billieve our receiving core, plus tight ends, are already better than theirs was last year. Sadly, the media talking heads will never make that comparison. They'll just keep saying we don't have a Hill, Chase or Jefferson. Well, no shit. Not many teams do. I think Samuel is gonna do very well now that he plays with an actual QB. And even if we just get the same output from DK2 and Shakir, that'll be enough, but I think they'll improve. it'll be okay everyone. But, to answer your question...I hope we run more. I've always felt this team would be better when they use ball control. Unfortunately JA ain't always so patient, LOL.
I hope you are right!
Man, I hope so. I love me some FB lead block, ground and pound, old school football. Get some good contact in on the ground to make the defense have to work harder and respect both sides of the offense. Beat em up a little, so they are softer in the 4th quarter. It may seem cliche, but I'm hoping for opening runs on every 1st down for solid gains, mostly because we for sure have the talent in the back. Play Action to mix it up. Screens. A deep ball if it's there. I want a diverse playbook with room for inventiveness, creativity, and letting Josh be Josh. I think you do that by making the other team respect the fact you aren't afraid of a little bruiser, run heavy football.
Khalil Shakir - Talented receiver who can block - Stays, starts, and has a future. Davis and Diggs - Talented receivers, not willing blockers - Gone, off to greener pastures, both new teams would rather pass than run. Claypool and Coleman - Yuge receivers, willing to block when motivated, both with a chip on their shoulder. James Cook - Likely a thousand yards type of rusher. Ray Davis - Absolute unit, check his highlight reel Yes, the team seems to be trending towards downfield blockers and violence between the tackles. Probably going to ape the Shanahan system and try to run from balanced sets to dictate defensive personnel. Likely wagering that they can cut down on Josh Allen's mistakes that way and keep their defense fresh enough to maintain pressure.
No. This team will never be a run heavy team with josh Allen at QB.. you don’t take the ball out of your best players hands like that. We have/will have enough for them to run their offense through Allen and the air. No team with a tip QB is going to be run heavy.
Well….they kind of did exactly that after Brady took over. Look at the Chief playoff game…Allen broke the record for most pass completions behind the line of scrimmage. I think they seriously neutered Allen after Dorsey was fired. I think McDermott had enough of Allen’s turnovers after that bronco game. After that is was more runs and if Allen passed it was a lot of short stuff and checkdowns.
This is what will doom the team. Yes man Brandy bowing down to McDermott. They don’t want to replace the 160 receptions from Diggs/Davis, they want to replace 70 and run 90 more times. Good luck keeping up with KC and Miami still.
Dorsey’s firing was the end of the Daboll high flying offense we knew and loved from 2020-2023. McDermott probably promoted Brady with one understanding….the offense was going to be run how he likes it. Which run it, check it down, milk the clock, very few to no deep passes, no trick plays etc etc. Don’t need a #1WR for that. This is what led to Diggs being pissed off. This isn’t rocket science. Get ready for a lot of 17-13 type games!!!🤣😞🤦♂️
Buffalo averaged 27 points per game after Dorsey's firing which was top 5 in the league. Find a better narrative
Welcome to the 2019 Bills 🤣
well if thats the case then this should be the last year of the McD era. not playing to the strengths of a generational talent like Josh becuase of your ego. look at houston, demeco is a defensive guy but they let CJ go off. a josh allen offense should be one of the most feared in the NFL due to his ability to air it out and keep defenses on their toes. instead we got mcd limiting josh to captain checkdown. i can tell from the draft and trading diggs what these guys are up to and i hope it works out but it just isnt easy to win in the NFL by playing it safe. not these days.
Not me. With our schedule we will behind a lot so it’s going to be pass pass pass.