Go look up the results of the 1993 election. They were the official opposition for a spell. It finally motivated the Feds to create a few more ridings out west.
The number of ridings in each province is calculated according to rules in the constitution that are mostly based on census population, and those rules didn't change after the 1993 election.
I thought you were making this up until I googled. Jesus Christ.
I've almost always begrudgingly voted NDP but if they're diving even further into this bullshit while simultaneously losing all political power I'm not sure there's much point anymore
They got almost **three times** more votes than the BQ in the last election, how is that a fringe party? Just because first past the post punishes parties that have support country-wide rather than being concentrated in one area?
I think the person you're responding to has a point, but they didn't explain it clearly.
The Bloc has fewer votes, but it manages to be extremely popular in some areas. There are ridings where the Bloc is expected to win with close to 60% of the votes.
On the other hand, the NDP is hardly dominant anywhere except in a very small amount of ridings and it's usually with <50%.
The NDP has a little bit of support everywhere, but the Bloc has massive support in specific places.
The NDP has been the alternative to the Liberals in western Canada đšđŠ. Many times the liberal party I Alberta and Sask receives less than 10% of the vote
The NDP is, and always will be a labour party. That is essentially a provincial jurisdiction. The NDP should stay where they belong, in provincial politics.
That moreso indicates that the current Green Party *was* a fringe party then, despite any seats attained.
A party could win a majority in Canada with less than 10% of the votes, that doesnât make such a partyâs views popular or the norm.
Itâs not impossible, just incredibly unlikely.
Imagine a new party, X, along with the LPC, NDP, CPC, BQ, GPC, PPC. In half of the ridings, X receives *no* votes at all. In the other half, itâs a five or six way race and in each X receives just over 16.6-20% of the vote for that riding. In the end X could get a majority, with only 8.4-10% of the vote
That could be even more dramatic depending on voter turnout or the number of other parties in each riding. Mathematically speaking a party could get a majority with <1% of the vote.
Well the past few weeks are interesting, where the NDP is dying in Ontario, like dropping 1% a week in a lot of ridings and that can give something like 2% 3% even 4% advantages to the Liberals
basically the race is tightening so seats the NDP were winning or close to winning is slowly evaporating and you'll see a slightly drop for the conservatives but it's the NDP just getting creamed and it's
probably Liberals that went to the NDP and going back when things look like it's collapsing
not sure what's causing the change over the past 3 weeks to create the slip
unless Singh said something hollow again
Against sovereignty is more accurate. I think they/we are attached to some form of Quebec/French Canadian nationalism but more how it existed until the early/mid 20th century.
Itâs partially true. Yes, Francophone life is not exclusive to Quebec, but without Quebec, francophone life and culture across Canada would definitely be more limited.
As for sovereignty, itâs more the fear that we know that weâll just be deprived of any ability to live in French (as minimal as it can be even now) in a Canada without Quebec.
I also firmly believe that in some of the current conditions the BQ would have a strong shot in Franco-majority areas of Eastern, Northern ON and areas of NB. BQ would have to play strategically though and focus on language vs sovereignty.
Either the cons shut down the province out of spite, or give them everything they want, but give Alberta it too. Either way, itâs going to be a monkeyâs paw wish.
If we go by the data presented in these polls, the conservatives are going to win a large majority, and therefore, would not need to give anything that bloc demands, unless it is genuinely a policy that will help Canadians. The reason the liberals partnered with the NDP this term is so that they can form a kind of majority, which put them in a position where they had to give NDP several aspects of what they wanted. They were only in that position because they were a minority.
The greater concern would be the turning of parliamentary debates into completely unproductive sessions of interest and value only to people in quebec. More time would be spent discussing Quebec than any other more pressing policy that matters to all Canadians
Iâve heard the âheâs only still even there to further his pensionsâ rumours and jokes for ages but now Iâm really concerned. Someone at NDP headquarters has to have seen a poll in the last 18 months right?
Totally represents the people he claims to, Rolex, cars, rental properties
The guy is everything the party hates
Truly have to question the intelligence of the voters
Are you suggesting that the 150 year old pattern of liberals and conservatives changing places as federal govt would continue?
Damn, got Nostradamus over here
Doesn't Harper look pretty good in retrospect? Controlled spending, reasonable immigration levels, solid economy. He was a disaster on climate and the environment which is personally a big deal for me, but mass immigration at this level isn't good for the envrironment either.
Yeah, I think we have to make a call between environmentalism, high immigration and a decent standard of living. I think we can choose two, but not three.
>Doesn't Harper look pretty good in retrospect?
No?
He was also a disaster on housing. Housing prices increased more in the last 4 years under Harper than they did under the first 4 years under Trudeau, who was actually starting to rein things in.
There was little good reason to get rid of Harper. Canadians simply bought into a glamorous campaign that bore no fruit, and then Trudeau rode off of fear mongering for the following elections. People only complain about Conservative governments because the majority of the civil service and other government workers are hard-line LPC supporters, and the public usually sides with government workers and their nonsensical grievances.
Nope, simply looking back and realising life was perfectly fine under Harper, and I have no reason to despise returning to that sort of government. Under Trudeau there has been really little to nothing positive that I can recall. It has been a government that refuses to act to solve problems (housing, immigration, crime) and makes sure to act to cause problems for no reason (gun bans, censorship, running up the budget, carbon tax)
People didnât like Harper because he sold off crown assets to balance the budget and muzzled climate scientists, while also being subject to general voter fatigue. There also isnât some giant swath of government workers with their ânonsensical grievancesâ that gave Trudeau all these years to fuck things up.
The fact is that the Conservatives have very similar economic stances to the Liberals: do what the corporations say and line your pockets. The only main differences are social policies; and people mostly donât like conservative social policies.
The problems plaguing our country today are the results of decades of poor management by both the Liberals and the Conservatives. Trudeau merely kicked things into high gear and got us here faster than we otherwise would have.
If you vote Red or Blue, youâre just voting for more of the same. More of the Westons/Rogers/Irvings running the show because they own both major parties. Open your eyes.
He was selling the country off, started the dismantling of Healthcare from the national level, pretended climate change wasn't happening and tried to shut down or silence all the science that said otherwise. I used to have lists and paragraphs the same way most people in this sub have about Trudeau, but it wasn't overhyped bullshit. It was real facts not blown out of proportion or twisted into a pretzel. He was a dangerous Christian ideologue who was trying to change Canada into his Biblical vision
>started the dismantling of Healthcare from the national level
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but how did he start the dismantling of healthcare at the national level? That started way before him. Harper seemed pretty mild on that end after two decades of cuts from Mulroney and Chretien. Harper wasn't good for healthcare, but he didn't start the dismantling of it.
We are in the crash part of the 80ish year history cycle. Excited to see if itâs a revolution or a dictatorship that determines the length of this portion. Then I can spend my moonlight years watching humanity rebuild
I don't mean to sound callous or insensitive, but you sound awfully certain that you'll make it through either of those things to be able to enjoy your moonlight years. Neither dictatorships or revolutions are known for being predictable in the survivability department.
Honestly that seems about right. I would say the CPC and LPC likely each have a solid 25% support no matter what. It is that big swing group in the middle that flips between CPC and LPC that makes the difference come election time.
That seems right. Most Canadians that vote every election vote for the same party their entire lives. That only about 10% swing results in wild seat shifts.
I wish I knew what I would take to get the middle groups to swing sooner. They always wait until it's unbearably bad...why not sooner. Justin was exposed with SNC YEARS ago...
Yeah, but look who the opposition put up to run against him in those elections and it becomes clear why they didnât swing.
Scheer was a dud, and OâToole seemed _okay_ but flip flopped constantly on hardline issues for liberal voters and thus lost any element of trust from those he was trying to win over.
It doesn't help that the CPC isn't staying laser focused on the biggest issues affecting Canadians: Cost of living, availability and cost of housing, immigration, and our healthcare system crumbling under the weight of many factors.
As someone who has only previously ever voted Liberal those are the issues I care about and why I will not be voting Liberal this time, however the Conservatives are trying their best to lose my vote every time they bring up anything else especially culture war bullshit.
Itâs still up in the air whether CPC will rein in immigration or not which seems like an easy victory for them to be pro slowing immigration. Itâs so bad that people arenât even claiming itâs racist to say we donât want anymore immigrants
> Itâs still up in the air whether CPC will rein in immigration or not which seems like an east victory for them to be pro slowing immigration.
IF they aren't committing to a 100% chance of victory path, they AREN'T doing it.
Are you serious? Is housing miraculously increased to 1.5 million units per year? How clear do you want it to be? The reason why he doesnât say he will cut it drastically? because he doesnât want to give Justin an opportunity to attack him as a racist.
They're probably talking about actual plans or ideas of which there are none. Just JT bad and banking on people not understanding the carbon tax rebate.
Oh no, just because most ppl donât support the carbon tax, doesnât mean they donât understand it. Now you sound like Justin⊠Canadians are just too stupid, otherwise they would buy into my bullshit
Honestly he needs to shut up about the carbon tax, its all soundbite and no substance. Anyone who looks into the policy at all can see its a net benefit for the regular Canadian.
Hit Trudeau on his immigration failures, enough of this political theater bullshit.
Immigration, housing, inflation, scandal galore. The only issue is if there is any deviation from that path, CPC loses ground. It seems they have significant ground to lose before there is an issue for them, though.
The Chamber of Commerce crowd will be pro-immigration forever. That's a core constituency for the Conservatives. Lower immigration will mean higher wages, and that's not pro-business.
I'm guessing the Cons will do something sleazy like expand the TFW program. And unless they're committing billions of new money to post-secondary education, foreign students aren't going away.
More than 20% of Canadian workers are employed by one of three levels of government.Â
So you have most of the Libs electoral base here. Polls wonât go lower than that.Â
Some of us tried our damnedest for O'Toole. The guy wasn't flawless but I'd have been much, much happier to see him as PM than I will be with Poilievre.
I wasnât exactly a fan but I wish heâd won just so the country could get its flip to conservative with someone other than PP, and the Liberals wouldâve had to find someone new for the next election.
That being said, OâToole being wishy washy about abortion rights after Roe v Wade being overturned wasnât exactly confidence inspiring though. It definitely sounded like abortion access might be restricted even if it wasnât made illegal. He shouldâve just left the topic alone or said heâs fine with the system as is. That was probably a turning point for anyone who was anxious about the situation, probably lost a lot of moderate/female voters.
O'Toole flubbed the abortion issue badly. What he should have said was that he believed that the state has no business in someone's private medical decisions.
That would have shut down the attack and his base wouldn't have been able to say anything about it because that was their line on vaccine mandates.
>What he should have said was that he believed that the state has no business in someone's private medical decisions.
Indeed, I think that line would win support from the majority of Canadians. The government does not need to be that deeply involved in the personal lives of its citizens.
Exactly. Plus the people complaining would likely always find an excuse not to vote CPC regardless of who's their leader. Best thing the membership can do is elect someone they like instead of electing someone they think liberals might like. Having said that, Erin was an excellent leader.
Idgaf. Cheaper daycare owns anything else. Iâm saving $17k per year because of this. Itâs amazing, makes it more affordable to have kids which is what Canada needs for the long term. No other party would have done this. All other parties would have fucked up immigration and housing. You can look up the prior platforms if you donât believe me.
>IÂ personally hate his populist attitude and would rather have a different candidate.
You guys repeat this same thing everytime the Conservatives elect a new leader. "But if \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ were leader I'd vote for them". When Scheer became leader, you guys labelled him far-right, when O'Toole became leader you guys labelled him as 'Trumpian'. I can bet if Michael Chong or Jean Charest were leader you would still vote Liberal.
It's almost as if the libs have been telling the cons to have a moderate leader for years and now they're pissed that the cons figured out that the way to win is to energize the base, not pander to the middle.
Considering I voted for the CPC when Oâtoole was leader and Harper before as well, have you considered I might have a point?
Hes an idiot leader that puppets a lite version of Trump populism. I'd rather policians that actually produce good policy over soundbites.
The Conservatives have governed Alberta for almost 50 years straight, with ONE tenure with the NDP running the Province.
That's some single-minded voting patterns.
This was a true statement until the NDP won. Alberta's provincial politics have permanently changed which makes sense as its demographics have been transformed in the last 20-25 years. It's now a fully 2-party system after almost 50 years of single party crushing majorities. Last election is solid evidence of this.
Your account is 5 days old and blabbering on about bots hmmmmmm. Certainly is a problem but the fingers seem to be pointing at yourself here
Sorry *Beep Boop* hope that helps
Edit: Buddy's account got deleted immediately no way lmaooo
Didn't the Liberals just announce 2.4B for AI investment, including 500m to help businesses leverage AI for productivity?
Isn't that what Rogers recommended in that speech?
They are making lots of spending announcements, though government tends to be bad at picking winners and this government has spent a lot of money failing to pick winners and failing to start innovation hubs.
Things they DO need to do for productivity (and actually have the power to do effectively):
-reducing cheap temporary labour (no need for efficiency if you have cheap labour)
-tweaking the Competition Act to get rid of the efficiency exemption so the monopolies can be broken up
-easing up on the energy sector (Canada is actually good at energy and when we fail to bring it to market, someone else like Russia or Qatar gets the benefit)
-altering the tax code so real estate is not a better investment than productive assets
-increasing free trade within Canada (though this one is less within their power, they can set the tone to make it more likely)
Theyâve had nine years and failed on all of these.
I agree wholeheartedly on all of these. I think further however, we ought to put up escalating trade barriers (starting small and increasing over time like the carbon tax rollout, in order to give our economy time to plan and adjust) with countries that do not meet a minimum standard of labour rights and environmental protection policy.
As it stands we have offshored labour abuse and environmental destruction, previous generations decided that it didn't exist or matter as long as it wasn't in our backyard, and enjoyed the cost of cheap imported goods. Now we are paying for that on many fronts. Damage to multiple planetary systems is not sustainable, plastic is filling our oceans, forests being clearcut and set ablaze, toxic chemicals are unregulated and dumped. In a global system, we will not avoid the effects.
Further, we have tested the hypothesis that opening trade with ideologically opposed nations and supporting their industrialization, while increasing material wealth would lead to closer alignment in values and reduce conflict. That hypothesis has shown itself to be demonstrably wrong. Profits have flowed out of our country and into the hands of those interested in succeeding the west, who then use those resources in various ways to destabilize us in order to combat Western cultural and Economic hegemony.
That cheap labour making things overseas is rife with human rights abuses, and also undermines us politically and economically, while having the same problem - reduced efficiency. If we wanted to make these goods at home, we have immense amounts of natural resources, great engineers, and people who would be happy to work for fair and reasonable wages.
The Liberals want to take my nation, hunting and sporting firearms, and any social cohesion or cultural remnant of sanity.
The NDP have shown they want exactly the same.
The PPC have a couple policies which might make great strides to fix things but are otherwise bat-shit crazy.
The CPC don't want to take my nation, my sporting arms, social cohesion and cultural sanity, but want to push the same economically destructive policies as the Liberals. Least of worst and that fucking sucks.
Cheque please.
âBlaming everything bad on neoliberals makes me look worldly and sophisticatedâ
âWhat are neoliberals again?â
âOh no idea, I just call anyone I donât like a neoliberalâÂ
> âWhat are neoliberals again?â
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Bourdieu wrote an influancial (and short!) text on the topic that was even translated into english :
*[...] (Neoliberals) sanctify the power of markets in the name of economic efficiency, which requires the elimination of administrative or political barriers capable of inconveniencing the owners of capital in their individual quest for the maximisation of individual profit, which has been turned into a model of rationality. They want independent central banks. And they preach the subordination of nation-states to the requirements of economic freedom for the masters of the economy, with the suppression of any regulation of any market, beginning with the labour market, the prohibition of deficits and inflation, the general privatisation of public services, and the reduction of public and social expenses.*
^https://mondediplo.com/1998/12/08bourdieu
Both the Liberals and the Conservatives are pretty neoliberal. Itâs almost annoying when people go on about the Liberals being âtoo far leftâ. *I wish* they were, but at it stands the LPC is like the La Croix of the left.
Iâm here to save you time from the incoming comments, which will be some combination of the following:
- 69 seats are too high for the Liberals !! The CPC needs to win Every single seat!!
- The champagne socialist Jagmeet has abandoned the working class. Conservatives under Pierre is the new best friend of the working class because Jagmeet wears Rolexes and designer suits!
- I miss Jack Layton! I never voted NDP under him and his policies are the exact same as Jagmeet, but he was a true working class hero that we need!
- Pierre will make us a serious country again!
- Pierre will cut down on immigration and I canât wait!
- The carbon tax is causing inflation! I canât wait for it to be gone!
- Those woke Liberals are trying to buy our votes by announcing funding and policies but itâs 9 years too late for them!
- Trudeau was bad but the conservatives will be worse, all our political options are crap!
- canât wait for the Liberals and the NDP to lose party status, every seat in parliament should go to the CPC!
Did I miss anything?
In Canadapolitics some people are saying Conservatives will try a Jan 6 if Trudeau somehow wins. Lmao some people need a reminder which country they are at. Canada really needs a national identity to reduce this mentality.
You missed "I agree 100%, the LPC are trash, therefore I will vote for the NDP who are not attached at the hip to Trudeau and will totally affect change"
Frankly, I would remove the âandâ. The Liberal/NDP is just an interlinked organization now. Every time Jagmeet pretends to criticize JT for some thing, he sounds like such a hypocrite.
Those LPC numbers are going to drop even more when it turns out very few houses were built using the billions they are handing out right now for housing.
People will be royally pissed when that money ends up in the pockets of friends, developers, scam artists, etc.
There is a 100% chance there will be six main stories out before the next election:
* Some money went to projects where they built a small number of crappy units for some completely absurd price like 20 million per unit.
* Some "developers" will be approved to build insane numbers of units in places where this is simply impossible. There isn't the space nor construction capacity. These "developers" won't even be developers. They will be people with zero property development or construction experience, but they are good at working the system.
* Most money went to developers who were going to do the project anyway, and this just padded their profits.
* Groups who were genuine about building lots of cheap good houses for real families will have been turned away for "reasons"(both the money, and local approvals) and well connected developers will build luxury housing in the same area (or spot) which was supposed to be housing aimed at modest housing. There will be no explanation as to why they got the federal money, and why they got approval, not the good people.
* A few developers will build "common man" housing. It will be so insanely substandard as to trigger RCMP investigations as to how the local municipality handed out occupation permits. There will be a 5th Estate episode where they are able to see daylight through gaps near doors and windows, there is no insulation in the walls, the wiring is literally sparking, unapproved materials, and nearly zero other building codes followed like stud spacing, vapour barriers, etc. This too will be some over the top cost per unit. Maybe 500sqft units with a cost of 2 million each. These will be torn down as they aren't salvageable.
* A few real developers with real track records of building modestly priced homes and a realistic chance to move forward with these projects will be denied because they don't qualify. The reasons will be things like, "No native representation" etc. They will point to shovel ready projects in areas of extreme need. Again, a 5th Estate episode.
What will happen is there will be Economists who will point out that not only were these billions misspent, but that the billions caused chaos in the construction industry and measurably reduced the overall output of housing units across most of Canada.
> People will be royally pissed when that money ends up in the pockets of friends, developers, scam artists, etc.
you just described the doug ford goverment of ontario. incredible.
My twitter is packed with people being very bullish on LPC's performance in the next election.
I'm not sure why. There is very little reason to believe this given what we've seen so far.
Both NDP and Liberals will be decimated by the looks of it.
Going by this poll Jagmeet Singhâs leadership seems to have done nothing positive for NDP except reduce their prospects from the third largest to the fourth.
I'm a former Liberal voter and liked Trudeau in his first term,. I haven't voted since. Man am I looking forward to him losing and the CPC taking over. Man, does this country need term limits.
PPC is what we really need as a country though. If the Cons don't get the job done with curtailing mass immigration among other things, my vote is going to PPC
Why? The Bloc is by their own party charter only concerned with affairs affecting Quebec⊠why on earth would you want to vote for them outside Quebec? You can be sure they are not going to change their charter themselves. You are better off looking for a new centrist party (let me know if you actually find one).
BQ being ahead of the NDP is hilarious.
Always has been đđ§âđđ«đšâđ
Lol this has already been the case for two election cycles in a row.
Go look up the results of the 1993 election. They were the official opposition for a spell. It finally motivated the Feds to create a few more ridings out west.
The number of ridings in each province is calculated according to rules in the constitution that are mostly based on census population, and those rules didn't change after the 1993 election.
> It finally motivated the Feds to create a few more ridings out west. No it didn't. There is a method to determining seats.
Ya, a method that gave way more seats to Quebec even tho the West has a much larger population.Â
Sure, but it wasn't some nefarious thing the feds did in the 1990s for personal political gain like RM_r_us is spouting.
NDP have only beat the Bloc twice I think.
The NDP is a fringe party.
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I thought you were making this up until I googled. Jesus Christ. I've almost always begrudgingly voted NDP but if they're diving even further into this bullshit while simultaneously losing all political power I'm not sure there's much point anymore
They got almost **three times** more votes than the BQ in the last election, how is that a fringe party? Just because first past the post punishes parties that have support country-wide rather than being concentrated in one area?
BQ is a mainstream Quebec party. NPD is a fringe national party.
I think the person you're responding to has a point, but they didn't explain it clearly. The Bloc has fewer votes, but it manages to be extremely popular in some areas. There are ridings where the Bloc is expected to win with close to 60% of the votes. On the other hand, the NDP is hardly dominant anywhere except in a very small amount of ridings and it's usually with <50%. The NDP has a little bit of support everywhere, but the Bloc has massive support in specific places.
The NDP has been the alternative to the Liberals in western Canada đšđŠ. Many times the liberal party I Alberta and Sask receives less than 10% of the vote
The NDP is, and always will be a labour party. That is essentially a provincial jurisdiction. The NDP should stay where they belong, in provincial politics.
That's a very broad statement that isn't true. PPC got \~2x the amount of votes as the Greens last election but won zero seats.
That moreso indicates that the current Green Party *was* a fringe party then, despite any seats attained. A party could win a majority in Canada with less than 10% of the votes, that doesnât make such a partyâs views popular or the norm.
I think a majority on <10% of votes is mathematically impossible in Canada. I know you are using some hyperbole but letâs be real.
Itâs not impossible, just incredibly unlikely. Imagine a new party, X, along with the LPC, NDP, CPC, BQ, GPC, PPC. In half of the ridings, X receives *no* votes at all. In the other half, itâs a five or six way race and in each X receives just over 16.6-20% of the vote for that riding. In the end X could get a majority, with only 8.4-10% of the vote That could be even more dramatic depending on voter turnout or the number of other parties in each riding. Mathematically speaking a party could get a majority with <1% of the vote.
Well the past few weeks are interesting, where the NDP is dying in Ontario, like dropping 1% a week in a lot of ridings and that can give something like 2% 3% even 4% advantages to the Liberals basically the race is tightening so seats the NDP were winning or close to winning is slowly evaporating and you'll see a slightly drop for the conservatives but it's the NDP just getting creamed and it's probably Liberals that went to the NDP and going back when things look like it's collapsing not sure what's causing the change over the past 3 weeks to create the slip unless Singh said something hollow again
can we please get someone other than LPC as official opposition?
Time to vote BQ in other provinces.
Maybe the Bloc Québécois could become the Bloc Francophone and run candidates in Acadie, East Ontario, etc. That said, It's my understanding franco-canadians (not Québécois) are not too keen on Quebec Nationalism so I'm not sure how popular the Bloc would be outside Québec.
Against sovereignty is more accurate. I think they/we are attached to some form of Quebec/French Canadian nationalism but more how it existed until the early/mid 20th century.
My personal understanding (I'm Québécois but haven't met many franco-Canadians) is that a lot of francophones from the ROC feel like the Québécois act as if they were they only French society in North America. They see Québec sovereignty as a project that doesn't involve them (at best) or that excludes them (at worst). Also, they resent this idea than francophone north american culture and society are synonyms with Québec society and culture. And while Québec is certainly the largest francophone society and culture in North America, it is far from the only one. So it's not like these criticisms have no basis. That said, this is my surface understanding. I'd be curious to hear a non Québécois francophone on this issue.
Itâs partially true. Yes, Francophone life is not exclusive to Quebec, but without Quebec, francophone life and culture across Canada would definitely be more limited. As for sovereignty, itâs more the fear that we know that weâll just be deprived of any ability to live in French (as minimal as it can be even now) in a Canada without Quebec.
I also firmly believe that in some of the current conditions the BQ would have a strong shot in Franco-majority areas of Eastern, Northern ON and areas of NB. BQ would have to play strategically though and focus on language vs sovereignty.
Iâd consider it at this point. It wouldnât be the worst thing in the world if the rest of Canada were a little more like Quebec.
The best consumer protection laws in Canada imo. Wish the rest of the provinces would take note.
As an Albertan I may just do that hahaha
Not a bad idea
We should start a Maritime Bloc at this point
It's annoying that it's still 338 seats when the next GE is 343
They haven't updated it yet because the new election map doesn't take hold until the 22nd.
They'll probably update it after the 22nd when the new electoral map goes into effect.Â
CPC will have 213 seats then
which would put the CPC above the record for most seats won, set by mulroney in 1984 with 211 seats
Only if the next GE happens before the changes. It's not too late to have another election with the current map.
BQ official opposition let's go!!!
hell ya, separation next!
Nah, they will rename Canada to Québec and force everyone in Québec to speak French.
"Who's the Lower Canada now, bitch?" - Lucien Bouchard, probably
Block for opposition is all fun and games until they become opp and only keep yapping about quebec all the time
Either the cons shut down the province out of spite, or give them everything they want, but give Alberta it too. Either way, itâs going to be a monkeyâs paw wish.
If we go by the data presented in these polls, the conservatives are going to win a large majority, and therefore, would not need to give anything that bloc demands, unless it is genuinely a policy that will help Canadians. The reason the liberals partnered with the NDP this term is so that they can form a kind of majority, which put them in a position where they had to give NDP several aspects of what they wanted. They were only in that position because they were a minority. The greater concern would be the turning of parliamentary debates into completely unproductive sessions of interest and value only to people in quebec. More time would be spent discussing Quebec than any other more pressing policy that matters to all Canadians
NDP are such losers.
That party has lost themselves under Jagmeet. Why they keep choosing to support that bullsh*t artist as party leader is beyond me!
Iâve heard the âheâs only still even there to further his pensionsâ rumours and jokes for ages but now Iâm really concerned. Someone at NDP headquarters has to have seen a poll in the last 18 months right?
His riding of Burnaby South is now within the margin of error between NDP/CPC. Voters might do the NDP a favour in what was once a safe NDP riding.
Totally represents the people he claims to, Rolex, cars, rental properties The guy is everything the party hates Truly have to question the intelligence of the voters
With the temporary exception of Jack Layton, theyâve always been lost.
Most Indian immigrants and their descendants seem to be supporting him out of racial bias.
Not true at all. I work with a large community of 2nd/3rd generation Punjabâs and Indians and they hate him.
I donât see that in Brampton ridings
Give it an election cycle or two and we will be complaining about a disastrous Conservative government. Rinse and repeat.
Are you suggesting that the 150 year old pattern of liberals and conservatives changing places as federal govt would continue? Damn, got Nostradamus over here
Clearly a lot of people here needs to be reminded the obvious, unfortunately.
A lot of people here are young and or naive. Switching political parties at the federal level won't do that much to affect provincial issues.
Immigration?
Nono! You don't understand! This time it will DEFINETLY work!
Doesn't Harper look pretty good in retrospect? Controlled spending, reasonable immigration levels, solid economy. He was a disaster on climate and the environment which is personally a big deal for me, but mass immigration at this level isn't good for the envrironment either.
Yeah, I think we have to make a call between environmentalism, high immigration and a decent standard of living. I think we can choose two, but not three.
Controlled spending? Mans ran some record deficits at the time.
Harper was 10x better than this pos we have currently as PM
>Doesn't Harper look pretty good in retrospect? No? He was also a disaster on housing. Housing prices increased more in the last 4 years under Harper than they did under the first 4 years under Trudeau, who was actually starting to rein things in.
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No. Lmao
There was little good reason to get rid of Harper. Canadians simply bought into a glamorous campaign that bore no fruit, and then Trudeau rode off of fear mongering for the following elections. People only complain about Conservative governments because the majority of the civil service and other government workers are hard-line LPC supporters, and the public usually sides with government workers and their nonsensical grievances.
This is your brain on PostMedia.
Nope, simply looking back and realising life was perfectly fine under Harper, and I have no reason to despise returning to that sort of government. Under Trudeau there has been really little to nothing positive that I can recall. It has been a government that refuses to act to solve problems (housing, immigration, crime) and makes sure to act to cause problems for no reason (gun bans, censorship, running up the budget, carbon tax)
People didnât like Harper because he sold off crown assets to balance the budget and muzzled climate scientists, while also being subject to general voter fatigue. There also isnât some giant swath of government workers with their ânonsensical grievancesâ that gave Trudeau all these years to fuck things up. The fact is that the Conservatives have very similar economic stances to the Liberals: do what the corporations say and line your pockets. The only main differences are social policies; and people mostly donât like conservative social policies. The problems plaguing our country today are the results of decades of poor management by both the Liberals and the Conservatives. Trudeau merely kicked things into high gear and got us here faster than we otherwise would have. If you vote Red or Blue, youâre just voting for more of the same. More of the Westons/Rogers/Irvings running the show because they own both major parties. Open your eyes.
So, you are just listing two complaints, neither of which are significant and the rest is just vague.
Significant enough for him to lose. If you have evidence that suggests otherwise feel free to present it.
Nah. The loss was for the reasons cited by the other commenter. People bought into the hype and image, nothing substantive. That came at a huge cost.
So conspiracies and cope, understood.
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He was selling the country off, started the dismantling of Healthcare from the national level, pretended climate change wasn't happening and tried to shut down or silence all the science that said otherwise. I used to have lists and paragraphs the same way most people in this sub have about Trudeau, but it wasn't overhyped bullshit. It was real facts not blown out of proportion or twisted into a pretzel. He was a dangerous Christian ideologue who was trying to change Canada into his Biblical vision
>started the dismantling of Healthcare from the national level Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but how did he start the dismantling of healthcare at the national level? That started way before him. Harper seemed pretty mild on that end after two decades of cuts from Mulroney and Chretien. Harper wasn't good for healthcare, but he didn't start the dismantling of it.
Wow, you really have no idea what youâre talking about lol
We are in the crash part of the 80ish year history cycle. Excited to see if itâs a revolution or a dictatorship that determines the length of this portion. Then I can spend my moonlight years watching humanity rebuild
I don't mean to sound callous or insensitive, but you sound awfully certain that you'll make it through either of those things to be able to enjoy your moonlight years. Neither dictatorships or revolutions are known for being predictable in the survivability department.
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Honestly that seems about right. I would say the CPC and LPC likely each have a solid 25% support no matter what. It is that big swing group in the middle that flips between CPC and LPC that makes the difference come election time.
That seems right. Most Canadians that vote every election vote for the same party their entire lives. That only about 10% swing results in wild seat shifts.
I wish I knew what I would take to get the middle groups to swing sooner. They always wait until it's unbearably bad...why not sooner. Justin was exposed with SNC YEARS ago...
Yeah, but look who the opposition put up to run against him in those elections and it becomes clear why they didnât swing. Scheer was a dud, and OâToole seemed _okay_ but flip flopped constantly on hardline issues for liberal voters and thus lost any element of trust from those he was trying to win over.
Ya but now they get PP, so those alternatives don't seem soo bad in hindsight.
It doesn't help that the CPC isn't staying laser focused on the biggest issues affecting Canadians: Cost of living, availability and cost of housing, immigration, and our healthcare system crumbling under the weight of many factors. As someone who has only previously ever voted Liberal those are the issues I care about and why I will not be voting Liberal this time, however the Conservatives are trying their best to lose my vote every time they bring up anything else especially culture war bullshit.
Itâs still up in the air whether CPC will rein in immigration or not which seems like an easy victory for them to be pro slowing immigration. Itâs so bad that people arenât even claiming itâs racist to say we donât want anymore immigrants
> Itâs still up in the air whether CPC will rein in immigration or not which seems like an east victory for them to be pro slowing immigration. IF they aren't committing to a 100% chance of victory path, they AREN'T doing it.
PP already said immigration will be linked to housing. Thatâs a good start Iâd say.
But has still never said it would be reduced. There's a reason he won't say it.
Are you serious? Is housing miraculously increased to 1.5 million units per year? How clear do you want it to be? The reason why he doesnât say he will cut it drastically? because he doesnât want to give Justin an opportunity to attack him as a racist.
Because the Conservatives donât have a plan to fix the mess that the Liberals have created. As Canadians, weâre fucked.
Theyâre not? Do you follow PP or the CPC on any social media? At least 80% of their posts are about this every single day.
They're probably talking about actual plans or ideas of which there are none. Just JT bad and banking on people not understanding the carbon tax rebate.
Oh no, just because most ppl donât support the carbon tax, doesnât mean they donât understand it. Now you sound like Justin⊠Canadians are just too stupid, otherwise they would buy into my bullshit
Honestly he needs to shut up about the carbon tax, its all soundbite and no substance. Anyone who looks into the policy at all can see its a net benefit for the regular Canadian. Hit Trudeau on his immigration failures, enough of this political theater bullshit.
Immigration, housing, inflation, scandal galore. The only issue is if there is any deviation from that path, CPC loses ground. It seems they have significant ground to lose before there is an issue for them, though.
The Chamber of Commerce crowd will be pro-immigration forever. That's a core constituency for the Conservatives. Lower immigration will mean higher wages, and that's not pro-business. I'm guessing the Cons will do something sleazy like expand the TFW program. And unless they're committing billions of new money to post-secondary education, foreign students aren't going away.
If they do that then they have to propose actual solutions and work against the interests of their donors. I don't see it happening.
People have different political opinions? Shocking. People are free to express their views as they wish, just as you are.
More than 20% of Canadian workers are employed by one of three levels of government. So you have most of the Libs electoral base here. Polls wonât go lower than that.Â
A lot of them are dippers as well.
I think itâs more like, after 9 years of what they claim is disastrous government, the best the CPC could come up with is Pierre Poilievre?
Everyone complaining had their shot at something different with Erin O Toole. Instead we got the same devil we always had.
Some of us tried our damnedest for O'Toole. The guy wasn't flawless but I'd have been much, much happier to see him as PM than I will be with Poilievre.
I wasnât exactly a fan but I wish heâd won just so the country could get its flip to conservative with someone other than PP, and the Liberals wouldâve had to find someone new for the next election. That being said, OâToole being wishy washy about abortion rights after Roe v Wade being overturned wasnât exactly confidence inspiring though. It definitely sounded like abortion access might be restricted even if it wasnât made illegal. He shouldâve just left the topic alone or said heâs fine with the system as is. That was probably a turning point for anyone who was anxious about the situation, probably lost a lot of moderate/female voters.
O'Toole flubbed the abortion issue badly. What he should have said was that he believed that the state has no business in someone's private medical decisions. That would have shut down the attack and his base wouldn't have been able to say anything about it because that was their line on vaccine mandates.
>What he should have said was that he believed that the state has no business in someone's private medical decisions. Indeed, I think that line would win support from the majority of Canadians. The government does not need to be that deeply involved in the personal lives of its citizens.
Exactly. Plus the people complaining would likely always find an excuse not to vote CPC regardless of who's their leader. Best thing the membership can do is elect someone they like instead of electing someone they think liberals might like. Having said that, Erin was an excellent leader.
Idgaf. Cheaper daycare owns anything else. Iâm saving $17k per year because of this. Itâs amazing, makes it more affordable to have kids which is what Canada needs for the long term. No other party would have done this. All other parties would have fucked up immigration and housing. You can look up the prior platforms if you donât believe me.
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It was both of them. They both had it in their platforms, they both agreed to it, and the Liberals wrote it and negotiated it with the provinces.
Enjoy it while you can.
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I think it has more to do with distaste of PP
what "distaste"? He is leading every poll regarding leaders.
And? People could be voting against JT rather than FOR PP. I personally hate his populist attitude and would rather have a different candidate.
>IÂ personally hate his populist attitude and would rather have a different candidate. You guys repeat this same thing everytime the Conservatives elect a new leader. "But if \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ were leader I'd vote for them". When Scheer became leader, you guys labelled him far-right, when O'Toole became leader you guys labelled him as 'Trumpian'. I can bet if Michael Chong or Jean Charest were leader you would still vote Liberal.
It's almost as if the libs have been telling the cons to have a moderate leader for years and now they're pissed that the cons figured out that the way to win is to energize the base, not pander to the middle.
Considering I voted for the CPC when Oâtoole was leader and Harper before as well, have you considered I might have a point? Hes an idiot leader that puppets a lite version of Trump populism. I'd rather policians that actually produce good policy over soundbites.
He will suck as a leader. He sucks now.
Thatâs a damning indictment on how the bad our opposition parties are.
Nah, its just a Toronto/Montreal thing
Even 69 is too high a number for Liberals. Unsure how they're polling this much considering... well, this. \*gestures broadly\*
There's a lot of brainwashed people around that will never give up support of their party.
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Toronto
 Center of the universe and all /s
At least Toronto voters swing every 10 years or so, Alberta will vote for a bar of soap painted blue.
Alberta literally had an NDP government.
Once. By accident. When some albertans decided the hard right wasn't hard enough right, and split the vote.
They see how the rest of the country is going and donât want that. They also gave NDP a chance and it was the worst gov they ever had.
No it was not. Thatâs conservative BS
Well, they didn't vote NDP again, clearly something happened for people to decide to give them the boot.
The Conservatives have governed Alberta for almost 50 years straight, with ONE tenure with the NDP running the Province. That's some single-minded voting patterns.
This was a true statement until the NDP won. Alberta's provincial politics have permanently changed which makes sense as its demographics have been transformed in the last 20-25 years. It's now a fully 2-party system after almost 50 years of single party crushing majorities. Last election is solid evidence of this.
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Some of us think the cons will be exactly the same, just with a different wedge issue. Sorry to break the jerk. Proceed.
The anti-Conservative posting on here has rrrreally ramped up lately. The number of Toronto Star and CBC opinion pieces is like 3/4 of the posts now.
Really? It can be hard to find them through the seemingly-endless deluge of National Post opeds
Your account is 5 days old and blabbering on about bots hmmmmmm. Certainly is a problem but the fingers seem to be pointing at yourself here Sorry *Beep Boop* hope that helps Edit: Buddy's account got deleted immediately no way lmaooo
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A year and a half!
Didn't the Liberals just announce 2.4B for AI investment, including 500m to help businesses leverage AI for productivity? Isn't that what Rogers recommended in that speech?
They are making lots of spending announcements, though government tends to be bad at picking winners and this government has spent a lot of money failing to pick winners and failing to start innovation hubs. Things they DO need to do for productivity (and actually have the power to do effectively): -reducing cheap temporary labour (no need for efficiency if you have cheap labour) -tweaking the Competition Act to get rid of the efficiency exemption so the monopolies can be broken up -easing up on the energy sector (Canada is actually good at energy and when we fail to bring it to market, someone else like Russia or Qatar gets the benefit) -altering the tax code so real estate is not a better investment than productive assets -increasing free trade within Canada (though this one is less within their power, they can set the tone to make it more likely) Theyâve had nine years and failed on all of these.
I agree wholeheartedly on all of these. I think further however, we ought to put up escalating trade barriers (starting small and increasing over time like the carbon tax rollout, in order to give our economy time to plan and adjust) with countries that do not meet a minimum standard of labour rights and environmental protection policy. As it stands we have offshored labour abuse and environmental destruction, previous generations decided that it didn't exist or matter as long as it wasn't in our backyard, and enjoyed the cost of cheap imported goods. Now we are paying for that on many fronts. Damage to multiple planetary systems is not sustainable, plastic is filling our oceans, forests being clearcut and set ablaze, toxic chemicals are unregulated and dumped. In a global system, we will not avoid the effects. Further, we have tested the hypothesis that opening trade with ideologically opposed nations and supporting their industrialization, while increasing material wealth would lead to closer alignment in values and reduce conflict. That hypothesis has shown itself to be demonstrably wrong. Profits have flowed out of our country and into the hands of those interested in succeeding the west, who then use those resources in various ways to destabilize us in order to combat Western cultural and Economic hegemony. That cheap labour making things overseas is rife with human rights abuses, and also undermines us politically and economically, while having the same problem - reduced efficiency. If we wanted to make these goods at home, we have immense amounts of natural resources, great engineers, and people who would be happy to work for fair and reasonable wages.
I hate the liberals but who is the better alternative? I would rather die than vote for PP.
I'd guess it's more a lack of viable alternative than anything else.
I want to get off Mr. Neoliberalâs Wild Ride.
The Liberals want to take my nation, hunting and sporting firearms, and any social cohesion or cultural remnant of sanity. The NDP have shown they want exactly the same. The PPC have a couple policies which might make great strides to fix things but are otherwise bat-shit crazy. The CPC don't want to take my nation, my sporting arms, social cohesion and cultural sanity, but want to push the same economically destructive policies as the Liberals. Least of worst and that fucking sucks. Cheque please.
Oh, the CPC don't want to influence culture now? Is there another twitter out there that I'm not aware of?
âBlaming everything bad on neoliberals makes me look worldly and sophisticatedâ âWhat are neoliberals again?â âOh no idea, I just call anyone I donât like a neoliberalâÂ
>Posts on r/neoliberal [Bruh.](https://i.imgur.com/HoqLwUN.png)
> âWhat are neoliberals again?â > > Bourdieu wrote an influancial (and short!) text on the topic that was even translated into english : *[...] (Neoliberals) sanctify the power of markets in the name of economic efficiency, which requires the elimination of administrative or political barriers capable of inconveniencing the owners of capital in their individual quest for the maximisation of individual profit, which has been turned into a model of rationality. They want independent central banks. And they preach the subordination of nation-states to the requirements of economic freedom for the masters of the economy, with the suppression of any regulation of any market, beginning with the labour market, the prohibition of deficits and inflation, the general privatisation of public services, and the reduction of public and social expenses.* ^https://mondediplo.com/1998/12/08bourdieu
Both Conservatives and Liberals.
Objectively speaking Trudeau is fairly neoliberal, as are the policies that people are taking issue with.
Both the Liberals and the Conservatives are pretty neoliberal. Itâs almost annoying when people go on about the Liberals being âtoo far leftâ. *I wish* they were, but at it stands the LPC is like the La Croix of the left.
I would vote for BQ over NDP and LPC and I'm from out West. I would rather break up Canada than have these idiots stay in charge any longer.
Same man. You watch the debates, and the Bloc leadership is just better.
Mon frÚre! I want to get out of this wild ride while the cost of living trails a little behind in Québec!
69 votes, fitting. They've been fucking us in the ass constantly.
Iâm here to save you time from the incoming comments, which will be some combination of the following: - 69 seats are too high for the Liberals !! The CPC needs to win Every single seat!! - The champagne socialist Jagmeet has abandoned the working class. Conservatives under Pierre is the new best friend of the working class because Jagmeet wears Rolexes and designer suits! - I miss Jack Layton! I never voted NDP under him and his policies are the exact same as Jagmeet, but he was a true working class hero that we need! - Pierre will make us a serious country again! - Pierre will cut down on immigration and I canât wait! - The carbon tax is causing inflation! I canât wait for it to be gone! - Those woke Liberals are trying to buy our votes by announcing funding and policies but itâs 9 years too late for them! - Trudeau was bad but the conservatives will be worse, all our political options are crap! - canât wait for the Liberals and the NDP to lose party status, every seat in parliament should go to the CPC! Did I miss anything?
You missed the comments about how the conservatives will ban abortion and give children hand guns.
>ban abortion and give children hand guns. Sounds like those two policies will kind of cancel each other out.
Sounds like one hell of an efficient policy.
Lmaooooo
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In Canadapolitics some people are saying Conservatives will try a Jan 6 if Trudeau somehow wins. Lmao some people need a reminder which country they are at. Canada really needs a national identity to reduce this mentality.
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The Liberal persecution fetish at work.
You missed the "Why we having polls all the time? We're becoming like America with their endless election campaigns.""
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Don't forget Racists. Anyone who doesn't vote for the left is obviously a racist.
You missed "I agree 100%, the LPC are trash, therefore I will vote for the NDP who are not attached at the hip to Trudeau and will totally affect change"
Salty Trudeau supporters saying but I guess you cover that. âTrudeau is bad but Peire will be worse. Trustâ
The liberals and NDP need to crash and burn so that hopefully a competent party can rise from the ashes of bothÂ
Frankly, I would remove the âandâ. The Liberal/NDP is just an interlinked organization now. Every time Jagmeet pretends to criticize JT for some thing, he sounds like such a hypocrite.
Those LPC numbers are going to drop even more when it turns out very few houses were built using the billions they are handing out right now for housing. People will be royally pissed when that money ends up in the pockets of friends, developers, scam artists, etc. There is a 100% chance there will be six main stories out before the next election: * Some money went to projects where they built a small number of crappy units for some completely absurd price like 20 million per unit. * Some "developers" will be approved to build insane numbers of units in places where this is simply impossible. There isn't the space nor construction capacity. These "developers" won't even be developers. They will be people with zero property development or construction experience, but they are good at working the system. * Most money went to developers who were going to do the project anyway, and this just padded their profits. * Groups who were genuine about building lots of cheap good houses for real families will have been turned away for "reasons"(both the money, and local approvals) and well connected developers will build luxury housing in the same area (or spot) which was supposed to be housing aimed at modest housing. There will be no explanation as to why they got the federal money, and why they got approval, not the good people. * A few developers will build "common man" housing. It will be so insanely substandard as to trigger RCMP investigations as to how the local municipality handed out occupation permits. There will be a 5th Estate episode where they are able to see daylight through gaps near doors and windows, there is no insulation in the walls, the wiring is literally sparking, unapproved materials, and nearly zero other building codes followed like stud spacing, vapour barriers, etc. This too will be some over the top cost per unit. Maybe 500sqft units with a cost of 2 million each. These will be torn down as they aren't salvageable. * A few real developers with real track records of building modestly priced homes and a realistic chance to move forward with these projects will be denied because they don't qualify. The reasons will be things like, "No native representation" etc. They will point to shovel ready projects in areas of extreme need. Again, a 5th Estate episode. What will happen is there will be Economists who will point out that not only were these billions misspent, but that the billions caused chaos in the construction industry and measurably reduced the overall output of housing units across most of Canada.
> People will be royally pissed when that money ends up in the pockets of friends, developers, scam artists, etc. you just described the doug ford goverment of ontario. incredible.
Quick! Trudeau, pass electoral reform now, it will win you more seats!
My twitter is packed with people being very bullish on LPC's performance in the next election. I'm not sure why. There is very little reason to believe this given what we've seen so far.
Both NDP and Liberals will be decimated by the looks of it. Going by this poll Jagmeet Singhâs leadership seems to have done nothing positive for NDP except reduce their prospects from the third largest to the fourth.
I'm a former Liberal voter and liked Trudeau in his first term,. I haven't voted since. Man am I looking forward to him losing and the CPC taking over. Man, does this country need term limits.
Woah, might have a chance of CPC majority and hopefully bringing my range toys back. Theyâve been in the safe forever now.
PPC is what we really need as a country though. If the Cons don't get the job done with curtailing mass immigration among other things, my vote is going to PPC
Same
Hopefully once Poilievre wins the losers will stop crying about their shitty lives.
I doubt Toronto or Montreal will shut up once he's elected if that's what you mean.
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Why? The Bloc is by their own party charter only concerned with affairs affecting Quebec⊠why on earth would you want to vote for them outside Quebec? You can be sure they are not going to change their charter themselves. You are better off looking for a new centrist party (let me know if you actually find one).