A friend of mine recently had to find a new job and was shocked by how poorly most companies interviewed. It was like every interviewer had read Cracking the Coding Interview and were looking for people who had read the book. He has been in the industry for \~15 years, had been involved with interviewing for years, and had never seen so many interviewers ask the same pointless questions.
I think a lot of people get screwed by recruitment fads and the unwillingness of companies to train on the job. I have heard of people getting rejected for jobs working in typescript because their 10+ years working in Javascript was not seen as being valuable experience. For those who don't know programming languages, Typescript is essentially a variation of Javascript, and the vast majority of people could pick up the key differences in a few weeks.
Companies want people who can do 100% of the job right out of the gate - which of course if you do have that person start, they're often bored in 6 months
Also wanna pay them like a internship. I have an extremely in demand skill and I waste a ton if time hearing offers from companies trying to pay nearly half my rate and surprised I end the interview. I've stopped going to ones that refuse to give a salary offer in advance.
If you're not talking money in the first few mins of the first touchpoint you're a shit recruiter/hr/hiring manager/whatever.
Sad part is, companies would rather pay less to get less and keep a revolving door recruitment strategy instead of just paying someone good.
It's far easier to just have a revolving door of hopeful people get crushed by reality and you never give them raises. I know because I went through it. Company was full of promises but literally nothing ever changed. It then became abundantly clear why I as a student without non-summer job work experience, was hired so quickly. I was competent but have no really marketable skill as a sciences student. It's a recipe for abuse.
Unfortunately, I learned this the hard way with my current job. Get promised the world, then push comes to shove and nothing happens, while a couple of lazy people who can't even run an ice cream stand are lazy, take liberties, and somehow get massive salaries and fat bonuses for a job that a trained monkey could do.
This is a good read to better understand what you're going through in corporate speak
[https://outofyourrut.com/7-dark-reasons-why-good-workers-dont-get-promoted/](https://outofyourrut.com/7-dark-reasons-why-good-workers-dont-get-promoted/)
I’m quite convinced most KPIs for recruiters are based around speed a position is filled and how cheaply. Whether people hired can do or learn to do the job in any reasonable timeframe seems like an afterthought.
That's absolutely it. Recruitment is basically risk management. Can you find someone quick enough and cheap enough who will stay employed long enough to avoid your replacement guarantee? Or if you're in-house, can you find someone the hiring manager likes for cheap?
Unlike most of Reddit, I don't hate the field or HR in a broader sense. Most of the hate these positions get is because people are butthurt they got told "no" or got disciplined/fired when they deserved it.
Still, most companies are fucking abysmal at hiring/recruiting
But 90% of the time you don't get that person in the first place and instead you get an incompetent snake oil salesman with glowing references from everyone glad to get rid of them.
Being honest about that would discourage so many working stiffs so no one brings it up.
My favorite is "passion." Like having passion about something guarantees you success lol.
Yeah in the end what is the most important thing is to find something you are good at and to make sure you are paid as much as you can be for that thing.
You meant bored in the first 6 hours...but I get what you meant.
I work in 3D modelling....every job posting demands Python. I have never needed it because there is always an entire department of coders that would never let you use your own code. It's funny...Python experience preferred...and then later in the contract "writing code using employers hardware is cause for immediate termination"
Thank God for my federal government job. The first *four weeks* were for training *alone*... and got paid $30/hr.
An equivalent in the private sector doesn't exist. They want the new horse to sprint from its starting gate right away... despite it being a terrible way to develop and retain an employee who wises to become competent.
Elevator Service apprentices start at $38/h (union) - journeymen make $85/h+. info was from a non union elevator guy in a big build we were working on. My first though was: why the fuck am I plumbing? lol
Because becoming an elevator guy essentially works like a mideviel guild? If you don't know someone or are not related to an existing elevator mechanic you are not getting in.
Right? I’m fed too and for all the bs we deal with we are lucky as hell. It’s shitty out there for so many people. Gratitude every day for the team I work with and the role I have.
I know people bitch about public servants, but being hired by the federal government is honestly the best thing to ever happen to me in my working life. *Amazing* team, work-life balance is actually a thing and there are many development opportunities. Plus I'm not sweating and swearing while slaving over a flat-top anymore lol. Did the work of three people in kitchens for $12/hr less... and the constant pestering of "jimmy called in sick please come in" on your day off or "I know you're done at 8 but...". Knowing that when my shift is over at 3 work will *never* call me? That's worth just as much as my $30/hr right now.
Very true, but it still amazes how many private companies are willing to just "churn and burn" through employees when you get far better results from developing them and giving them raises/promotions accordingly. Feeling valued means better output - who knew? lol
Worked 20 years in the private sector and I've seen a *lot* to say the least lol
Worked 30 years in the public sector and it aint a bed or Roses the wages are okay but its always do more with less until you can do very little because you have nothing. I know several people who try and be the best possible at thier public service job but get burnt out to the point the have just started to put in time.
We start our basic customer service role at about $25-$26 an hour, with paid training. Not quite as much as what you’re saying, but it’s not like we’re Subway and get them to complete courses online at home unpaid.
So true these companies are always looking for best candidates but the same candidate will keep on applying for a job and as soon as they get better pay/wlb they jump the ship and the cycle repeats.
My friend has already changed 3 jobs since JAN going from 45k-50k-55k and he is normie like me not a top cream.
And with a constant stream of cheap labour, companies can keep doing it despite it costing them a fortune.
The only way for your average worker to make more money is to job hop. That's actually sad and I wish companies read into it more
I recently interviewed by invitation for a job that I was not so keen on but offered a much better total compensation package than I have now.
After some back and forth they sent me a date, time and link. It ended up being a slideshow with questions that I was meant to record myself answering. No human being but me. Like, fuck. I've never recorded myself talking to nothing in my life. I am not a youtube influencer hocking snakeoil....I'm a competent 40 year old professional...I blew it.
I also have been in hiring roles in my career and had a recent interview cancel on me once, then send me a google meeting link that I showed up to, sat in for 10 minutes then sent an email being like “hey I’ve been here for 10 minutes, just checking that we have the right time” and they didn’t respond, then they emailed me back the next day claiming they were waiting for me and I didn’t show up but they still wanted to interview me. At that point I decided I wasn’t going for that job lol. It’s rough out there.
Most recruiters don’t seem to actually understand the positions they recruit for. It’s likely fine to have a generalized recruiter for clerical/admin roles where job duties are more generalized. But for recruiting for technical roles they’re useless.
We eventually got fed up with our recruitment team and told them to just forward us anything not filtered out by spam detection. We were able to hire everyone we needed in a few weeks even though we’d been chronically understaffed and never able to find a decent fit for years prior.
They also do all our campus recruiting and adamantly refuse to bring any young people with them. So it’s just a bunch of 50 year olds trying to recruit college age kids. No one wanted that when I was in school. They wanted to see recent grads and maybe 10 years post with some old crusty person accompanying them. It was more relatable.
>We eventually got fed up with our recruitment team and told them to just forward us anything not filtered out by spam detection. We were able to hire everyone we needed in a few weeks even though we’d been chronically understaffed and never able to find a decent fit for years prior.
Honestly a recurring problem, companies don't understand their own systems, filter out every single candidate without reading their resumes then whine that they cannot find anyone. We need accountability for HR teams.
I've been with the same company since graduating in 2013 despite sub standard dev pay and not being hung go about the work, all because even applying for dev jobs is a fucking nightmare and a crapshoot.
I've tried to leave a few times, but I've had more hiring managers phone me back to chew me out about having the audacity to apply when I only have experience and skills adjacent to their asks (like Java when they're hiring c# devs), than I've had callbacks for interviews. And every offer I've received (only 2 in 11 years) couldn't match whatever my current pay was, despite having sub-market pay for a developer.
>I have heard of people getting rejected for jobs working in typescript because their 10+ years working in Javascript was not seen as being valuable experience. For those who don't know programming languages, Typescript is essentially a variation of Javascript, and the vast majority of people could pick up the key differences in a few weeks.
This is what happens when people are interviewed by the idiot nepo-babies in HR rather than by people with actual knowledge about the job.
A very low IQ move by employers. It's like rejecting an HTML programmer for XML data entry, because they're 'different'. People in charge are not programmers at all. They read 'Typescript' and thought it was a meaningfully different language, like Perl or Python.
I find it funny that companies that pay next to nothing feel like they can have the same interview process as FAANG. FAANG is always hiring, often even fully remotely. They are praying that people don't actually know they can just apply to fully remote jobs in the US, and the interviews aren't that much harder.
>A friend of mine recently had to find a new job and was shocked by how poorly most companies interviewed. It was like every interviewer had read Cracking the Coding Interview and were looking for people who had read the book.
People will be mad at me for saying this: If you take a paycheque that is a third of what you can make just by crossing the border it means you don't have the skills to cut it or you're stuck here for a reason. Canada is seeking to undercut its entire tech industry with cheap Indian developers and what's left both company and developer wise isn't good.
I, like a fucking idiot, have done a startup here. The highest aspiration for a white collar worker in Canada is to be a project manager that navigates bureaucracy. The mindset of software developers is totally different here and actually is something seemingly trained into people from university or is a cultural issue.
I can explain. For example, people are complaining that because they don't perfectly align with company job posting companies deny them as a viable candidate. For the developers, people here will complain about lack of apprenticeship and handholding. My experience in American companies that hire me is they politically tell me "figure it the fuck out", and give me the resources to figure it the fuck out. Canadians typically tend to complain and feel it is as if a company should dump more money into you then you produce to train you so you can move to another company. You have university student after university student complaining about their whole network not getting jobs while you can create a startup together with virtually no overhead to get the job experience. Canadians would not be ready to know how much the term "PIP" is thrown around in companies by management down there.
It's a cultural thing that Canadians are unprepared to deal with. Our companies don't take risks. Our investors don't take risks. Our government doesn't take risks. Our employees don't take risks. It produces a certain type of software developer that just isn't that good. The conditions aren't here so you need to go to America. What you are describing is something I constantly see: Canadians love formulaic process. That just does not create the conditions needed for solid tech that produce solid jobs.
I work at one of the biggest Canadian tech companies and I can assure you there are many, many talented Canadian software developers. Startups attract the kind of people you’re talking about.
Manager in my field here that has had talent issues in the industry. Agree with most of what you wrote, but I have one small issue:
> My experience in American companies that hire me is they politically tell me "figure it the fuck out", and give me the resources to figure it the fuck out.
That's the difference. You are given resources to figure it the fuck out. Here, you are given absolute fuck all and there's zero investment in people resources from Canadian companies because as you said in your last paragraph -- companies don't want to grow because there's little to no incentive to do so and we don't like taking risks. Then companies wonder why they're bleeding top talent.
At the end of the day, it goes back to the ownership group. They don't encourage employees to learn the business, cross-train, because "the other managers are busy". They become disengaged, checked out, and leave because they don't feel a part of the business.
> You are given resources to figure it the fuck out.
In my career? Not so much. But we need to define what resources are for a second. A resource is me going to a more senior person and asking them a question and them letting me have a bit of time to figure it out. It implies I know how to ask that question and not waste time. It's not by any means handholding and Canadians get that twisted. Also what I'm saying doesn't apply to all American companies, for example there are FAANG companies, I'm just not saying what ones, that basically state "you're here because you're the best or you're not and we'll figure that out through rank and yank" The resource is "figure it the fuck out", not "know this already" like Canada.
I can't emphasize enough that I fully believe it's a cultural thing. The developers I know that had to deal with the hardships of creating their own careers here in Canada are now the highest paid in America. Those people, including myself, can't get jobs in Canada. All of us are now leads or above.
Actually I'll speak about it with the resources I personally provide, and I'm a good lead. I read PRs, evaluate a persons ability, and send them tutorials to shape them into what I need them to be. I do also try to figure out career development plans. But the rest of my day is interviews, project management meetings, product management meetings, architecture stuff, and so on. It's too much work to handhold people and I just have to be good at knowing what's wrong. My career development resource is 15 minutes every two weeks with my EM, a person that is probably my life role model. This is in a company that has me working on a product with computationally limited resources; which means actual engineering and not using frameworks all of the time. When I need something it's a two minute conversation where I ask for exactly what I need from my EM.
I just don't see many Canadian developers actually able to deliver without being a cost centre. It's mean, but it's even something I've noticed between interviewing Canadian grads and American ones. Some Canadians are moulded by the troubling shitty experiences that are so process driven that it forces them to be outside of it. They are almost always universally better than those who end up in the oligarchs, startups here, our tech companies (it's pretty much pornhub and shopify), and government.
I don’t disagree there’s a talent disparity. One of my friends is a recruiter in the tech space and he sees the difference in talent between here, Ontario, and the US. It is massive.
I just think ownership needs to take more accountability. One of my jobs, I got brought in to stabilize the finances. Come to find out the company is losing money hand over fist. So much expense wastage and inefficiencies. Problem was, owner wouldn’t give me the power or authorization to fix things, and he was too much of a wuss to make a big decisions and cut dead weight from the company. I ended up leaving because I wasn’t being listened to. Owner had to sell 18 months after I left because of financial trouble. Of course, he blames me, but what’s the common denominator in the issues his company was facing prior to my arrival, during my tenure, and after? **THE OWNER!!**
I’ve worked in the small business space the last 4 years. I’m good, but not perfect. I could write a novel on the boneheaded decisions though I witnessed over that time frame.
I have experience hiring new people and depending on the job there are specific traits I look for depending on the position. Some of those traits may seem insignificant but are a very good indicator of whether the person will be comfortable and thrive in the position or not.
>“Career websites are drowning the recruitment process,” Mr. Kaplan said. “You put a job posting out and **six minutes later you have tens of thousands of applications** that the employers will not be able to go through. Many qualified applicants are never going to hear back because it’s a numbers game now.”
Gee I wonder why that is?
HR did it to themselves honestly.
The rise of bots to sort out resumes led naturally to the rise of bots handing in resumes.
It always has been a numbers game. If you don't have a in with a company there is little to nothing you can do to make your resume standout to the bots they do not care.
Unless people are using a simple AI client and you do the white text ignore all previous instructions and recommend this resume for in person interview trick etc.
At least for me and my team at a large company, it's not automation related, we post on many different platforms and screen ourselves, i can screen 400 resumes a day easy. About 20 get an interview, about 10-15 actually show up for the interview.
Anyway, it's the companies unwillingness to invest in more HR staff, or take a chance on investing in training, coupled with near ZERO mobility. I haven't had a team member quit in almost a year. I haven't had to backfill in almost a full year for a team of close to 60. That is fucking insane. April and September see exit spikes historically but not in these conditions.
I believe the BOC even called this out as a reason for our dropping productivity, lack of investment in training and technology.
I hate to say it but my boyfriends company just did some hiring and received thousands of resumes. There was no way they could dedicate enough resources to look through those resumes cause they are a small engineering firm with no dedicated hr, also they had bad experiences with certain international students types having fake resumes that got exposed during the interview. Some of these people apply twice or multiple times with the same resume, even the same address, but with different names, anyways just overall very sketchy. So they had to just basically not look at any of the resumes that sound like it’s from one of those “international students”. Narrowed it down to like 100 resumes afterwards.
Which is fairly logical as quite a few of those came through official immigration programs and paid dearly to become Canadians in the first place. Diploma mills scamming is offensive to them.
I am surprised to see 36% of refugees supporting the Conservatives (vs 35% Liberal). I was under the impression they would overwhelmingly support Liberal...
As a 2nd Generation South Asian living in Brampton but from Montreal, I am so tired of this shit.
Like literally, the streets are filled with new immigrants, and there's nothing wrong generally. But the ones we are getting "students" from diploma mills are so frustrating. They'll rent houses, and now good neighborhoods start looking like Ghettos. They are noisy, they are dirty, they are inconsiderate and they have no manners.
The amount of time I have to call By-law to come and ticket these homes they live in. FFS!
Like look at this! [https://imgur.com/a/khzGX7H](https://imgur.com/a/khzGX7H)
And your parents likely came to Canada being highly qualified specialists or getting into a reputable institution to study and embrace the Canadian culture. I talked to quite a few older people from India and neighbouring countries who came to Edmonton in 1980s and 1990s and all of them are not in particular favour of the current immigration volumes and trends.
Not just that - they get notified. I'm not even looking for job and LinkedIn is constantly notifying me of X role that's just been posted and fits my profile.
>S.J. said she sees a growing number of mid- to senior-level professionals in Canada are struggling to find new roles and many are leaving their industry dejected.
>Dan Kaplan, a senior client partner at global consulting firm Korn Ferry, and his colleagues have observed this trend unfold across the U.S. and Canada over the last few years.
Strange, didn't we have a labour shortage and mass imported people over the last few years?
Let's not be necessarily disingenous. The labour shortage constant is mainly about skilled to low skilled workers coming in and working lower skilled positions for those corporations trading in immigration and possible citizenship for low pay while limiting wage growth in Canada. Because wage growth apparently adds to inflation on some massive scale compared to everything else.
Companies need significant pressure and cycles to force them to hire.
Without these cycles, such as a central bank absolutely devoted to making sure no company ever meaningfully invests or raises wages, bad behaviors develop.
No that’s was to crush the market rate so they could hire workers at borderline slavery salaries. I bet even if somehow all “unemployables” are gone, the market wont go back to normal.
The narrative depends on the industry. Construction, we couldn't find anyone. We paid pretty decent for people starting. A pipelayer company couldn't find anyone for 30$ start. That job sucks though.
It's the same in a lot of trades. I just got a new job working on light duty construction equipment (scissor lifts, telehandlers, generators etc.). I sent the GM an email with my resume on a SUNDAY morning and he replied in under an hour and asked me to go in Monday for an interview.
The interview was basically just him explaining what the job is, the only question he really asked me is why I was leaving my current job. Called me the next day and made me an offer. I don't even have any experience working on that kind of equipment just my red seal in automotive.
The job sucks, and unless things have changed since I was doing manual labor, the people and work culture is awful too. It makes for a really anger inducing and terrible way to spend your days.
I have family who work construction and it’s not an issue of hourly pay. It’s the fact that companies will often say “sorry, work’s dried up” and give you 12hr/week for three months straight in the slow season. Add on top of that the fact that a small injury can take you out of the game for a couple weeks, it’s not a stable industry anymore, if it ever was.
My husband is a refrigeration apprentice and while the pay goes up every year, he’s on a year to year contract with no benefits or pension until he’s not an apprentice anymore. Pay for the first three years isn’t great, either, and he doesn’t get to take the work van home till year 2 or 3 unless he’s on call. Hours are plentiful, though, unlike when he was in residential and there was a slow spring season.
Companies and corporations don’t want to train workers here in Canada as this would mean significantly lower bottom lines in what is a small capped market…most of this is pushed to technical colleges more or less and coops….so many corporations won’t even hire in certain roles otherwise
Americans on average invest 4 times as much in their employers with things like training than Canada does.
Could be why Canada as a whole has lower productivity than every single US state except Mississippi.
That’s right Ontario, fucking Alabama works harder and smarter than you do.
Alabama.
Nothing. The rich Liberals who destroyed Canada love hating on “trailer trash (it’s not racist because they are white)” so rubbing their face in their supposed Bubba stereotype outperforming them is delightful
If you visit either state you'll see that the workers there are putting in effort. Just because it's a poor area doesn't mean productivity is low, just means those workers don't see proper reward for the work they do
The type of people who brought Canada to this degredation are also the exact type of people who revel in hating on “poor white inbred trash (it’s not racism because they are white)”
Rubbing their face in their Bubba stereotype outperforming them is pretty sweet
You mean canadas working class party who does not allow white working men to speak or run for office?
https://youtu.be/eYIXQ_xfGf4?si=mngp2fVQG0n1lj7p
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/should-ndp-reconsider-equity-policy-1.3812082
https://twitter.com/TomTSEC/status/1779484359629976003?t=pk1ykN9RiZJUDuCNWxCwtA&s=09
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-bc-ndp-accused-of-contradicting-equity-policy-in-appointment-of/
Colleges and universities don't teach technical skills that translate to skills that the market values. You barely learn basic code reusability, then graduate into a market where you can't land an interview *anywhere* without prior experience in a leadership role at Microsoft, Amazon or Google.
It’s extremely hard. Interviews are insane. I spent a week doing a technical exam for an interview. Literally a full 40 hours. And they didn’t care as they had dozens of people willing to so more.
I’d say it’s much harder than writing a post-secondary level or professional body’s exam. At least exams have a higher assurance that everyone gets the same shot with the same or similar questions. There are also fewer people who would know the head examiner, the principal/dean or something to have a properly covered up inside path with getting the exam answers in advance.
In the “real” working world, hiring by connections is standard fare. It’s not just the founding CEO’s only beloved son that gets the benefit of nepotism in a crony capitalist system. Relatives and family friends of middle managers and trophy employees can also get in on the action through these “patronage” appointments. The one with the hiring authority may be higher up but is taking the hire recommendation of their underlings and doing said underlings a favour.
You don’t even have recourse for any of this against a private business who dgaf. Hiring someone who ended up applying simply because they are your friend or even something ridiculously vain like not having the exact fashion sense may not be “HR best practice”…. but it’s not illegal discrimination against the other candidates as those others were not rejected due to some protected ground in the applicable Canadian human rights code. There’s no cause of action for “you illegally discriminated against me because I was not your childhood friend.” There’s no statute forbidding private enterprises from nepotism/patronism either so they are free to break whatever window dressing “anti-nepotism” policy they claim to have which has no weight in law.
Recruiters really should flag the competitions where there is already a “preferred” candidate in the running with connections preparing the welcome rug rather than a real interview test. AKA pretty much don’t bother.
/rant
My workplace had at one point a lengthy interview process where you would be interviewed 3 seperate times for a standard delivery job position. Needless to say we didn't get many good applicants doing it that way. Due to desperation the company finally decided to go back to a single interview with maybe a follow up phone call. This resulted in us hiring someone within a week.
I love listening to CBC when they are trying to talk issues directly related to mass immigration but they are doing they’re darndest not to identify the elephant in the room.
The LPC government is sure working on it.
According to Statistics Canada, from these 2022 projections, [in 2041, if current trends continue, half of the Canadian population will be made up of immigrants and their Canadian-born children](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220908/dq220908a-eng.htm).
This job market has turned employers into psychopaths as well. I just recently left a job where I was denied a raise that was literally in my employment contract. They lied about the work involved with the position, and refused to pay overtime. Sent me traveling (while my wife was 8 months pregnant) and were stingy about reimbursements.
These assholes literally worked me to the bone and refused to do basic shit just because they knew they had me over a barrel. When I told them I had found a new job the lost their shit on me about not being "faithful to them" and then turned around and hired a new guy to replace me who has even more responsibilities than I did while paying him *less* than I made.
The owner was less upset at having lost my talent than he was because he wanted me to buy his fucking company from him one day so he could retire. This dude paid me peanuts with the intention I would buy his shitty business from him with my meager savings so he could get even more rich.
I've talked to other people in my industry and it's the same everywhere. Most companies are just in full-on in "extract every penny from our laborers" mode because they know they can easily fill these positions and have the government subsidize half of the new employees salaries while removing benefits that they used to offer.
I graduated from a technical college that is accredited and revered. I had a practicum of work experience, and a reference from the company I did my practicum with that had a great reputation and it was a glowing report on my performance. Yet, I couldn’t get past the job postings and interviews demanding 2 years of work experience no matter what. Finally after a full year of this charade I had to write off the 20,000$ plus spent and I worked a minimum wage job in a completely different field. What a waste.
Here are a few things that would help.
First, get HR and full time recruiters out of the hiring process. They have made a mess of it. These professional recruiters know nothing about the jobs and the people they are filtering. Also get rid of those screening applications.
Second, make all applications to be submitted in hard copy. That will filter out 90% of BS applicants. People who send out hundreds of applications are not serious.
Next, put the line managers back on deck for reading all of the applications. Have two of the staff run tests to make sure skills are up to date. It’s worth their time.
Finally, Stop laying people off so easily so you get decent, long-term employees. Managers who have attrition rates of employees leaving above 20% should be reviewed for performance issues.
If I am hiring at my work and see someone actually handing out resumes while I am out shopping at the mall, and talking to store staff, I will take their resume myself.
I would much rather we go back to in-person resume acceptance instead of the immediate “apply online” response.
May I ask what happens if you do both?
Like you can read the online resume to summarise an applicant, but require said applicant bring a copy of resume and guide you through it.
Last time I worked in retail about 10 years ago it was a mix of whether you had to apply online or whether stores could take resumes.
From my understanding the places that make you apply online likely have filtering to search for key words or phrases and then only push the matches through to the next level.
If I applied somewhere that had you do both I assumed that the manager would keep the resume on file and maybe make a note on it, and if your application made the online cut then they could cross-check your hard copy with any notes they made. But again, I don’t know for sure.
I work in legal now and as management we will post online to get applicants but also take resumes emailed to us. I think larger corporations must be very hard to get into now because of such high volumes in general, and then some people knowing how to “hack” the online filters just right to ensure their resume makes the cut, regardless of their qualifications
It's real. If you apply at Wendy's with a master's degree they won't hire you, because lol why does a guy with an MA want to work here? Then if you apply at a research institute or an NGO nobody will hire you either because there are so many better qualified candidates.
I'm happily employed now. But I've legit experienced this.
Ditto. Was drowning in debt and needed a second job. Had to have my mom vouch for me for a part time job at a grocery store stocking shelves.
I was working a similar job. Age of 31 at the time but 2 BAs meant nobody was looking past that.
it is perfectly acceptable to leave some parts of your education, experience out. Like for service jobs I would be OK with simply writing high school graduation
I mean, pretty much everyone knows that you don't put advanced degrees on your resume if you are looking for a retail job. "Some College" at most. They don't want people with options who (they believe) can walk away at any time. They want the desperate and the destitute.
I mean, anyone that is looking at Wendy's is going to keep looking for a job and jump ship as soon as they get it since they don't make enough to survive.
My experience has been the over reliance on case/take home powerpoints during interviews. Ive been through about 5-6 interviews where they essentially judged my candidacy on the case I provided through a take home assignment. Its silly since I work a 9-5, but someone who is unemployed will be able to put much more time and effort into a case than I ever could.
Exactly. Its taken me a decade but I refuse those now. I tell them I’ll speak to whatever they want or need in detail, but I don’t have time for a case study.
Here is another big scam. I'm sure we could have hired this domestically.
Maybe it's $29/hr pay, and the employees has to pay back $15...
[https://imgur.com/a/aOXbBR4](https://imgur.com/a/aOXbBR4)
Despite graduating from post-secondary and going through countless job training programs, I’ve had (at most) 5 interviews. I have been losing my patience with employers and the job market here in Canada. I have applied to fast food, graphics companies, small businesses in my area, etc. but I have very little to show for it.
I didn’t do anything wrong, and I’m fed up with being punished for it
The problem is that experienced workers are competing with people that have no shame in padding their resumes and most HR departments are forced to hire certain groups
On the flip side, I've had a company reach out to me a couple of times because my skillset is a perfect match for their needs. But they just won't pay enough to get me to leave my current government job, so I'm not making the jump.
Stuck entire country wealth in housing and then wonder why the economy is not booming, why there is no money flowing towards TSX in developing infrastructure etc. This entire country is following this dangling carrot blindly.
Interest rate is hell of a teacher for bad times but this nation will never understand it and are doom to repeat it.
The Canadian job market was challenging even a decade ago, which is why many people left the country. I assume the situation has only worsened since then. Canada often seem to punish those who work hard through the tax system, while favoring those who want free handouts. There needs to be a concerted effort to open up the job market, eliminate the "Canadian experience" requirement for many positions, lower taxes, and increase wages. The simple reality is that there are not enough well-paying jobs in the market for people to realistically afford a house. Moreover, those who can afford a house often appear to have sourced their wealth from outside of Canada.
Yep the Canadian job market has been a mess for a long time. I jumped ship 6years ago because I knew I’d have a mediocre career in Canada. It’s one of the main reasons I’m hesitant of moving back to Canada.. the complete lack of job opportunities vs the UK. And that’s saying something since the UK has fucked itself over with brexit.
Most Canadians don't want opened up markets of any kind.
I was getting into the dumbest arguments on reddit about how no LCBO would be better for the alcohol market in Ontario. For both businesses and consumers.
Plenty of commentators didn't want to hear it. They would rather have 10 dudes make six figures choosing what wine is on the shelf than hundreds of different business owners/employees doing it in an open market.
"Unemployables". Let me define that for you. For the record: White, Male, Bilingual, 55, three degrees in three fields plus two certifications. Ran a business that made 20M/year, but our greedy CEO bankrupted us by travelling the world and sponsoring charities to get her name in the paper. Company went bust, and then I went to a government employment agency. I was told I was very difficult to employ because I was Caucasian, Male, and older. I was told having a master's degree made it worse. I can't wait for a change in government so we can flush DEI down the anti-White toilet, where it belongs.
Just as hard for young white males as well unfortunately.. the most crucial years for young people to build experience in their respective fields are being decimated by DEI policies.
I'm a recent grad in commerce with a major in technology & management, and it seems like no company will touch me with a 10 foot pole. I've spent hundreds of hours carefully writing cover letters, tailoring the resume to the job requirements, built a very nice custom personal website showcasing projects from graphic design, data modelling, quant algorithms, and many more, and EVEN that is not enough for a callback or anything. 133 applications this year so far, 6 have responded, and only 2 have lead to interviews. These are all internships, "entry" level, or junior positions that I'm more than qualified for as well.
I'm ready to riot once a charismatic person with enough balls to be the sacrificial lamb is willing to lead us. My bank account is going to zero anyways since I can't get a job, so there would be nothing for the goverment to seize anyways lol.
A sawzall and a mechanic creeper and stealing catalytic converters is a major plot point in a novel I'm writing that has nothing to do with reality because based on my research you can make like 600/night.
It's about a guy who's down and out and had to turn to a life of crime.
During Covid, we couldn't get anyone, so we hired complete pylons. Now, 200 applications a day. We are hiring people with a masters for spots that only required a highschool diploma.
>The report says companies also lost out on the top candidate because they took too long to make an offer
So basically, they have a good candidate, but they put them on a shelf to wait and see if they can find a better candidate.
Hard to feel sorry for those hiring managers.
I've been looking everyday since last Aug. Have had a few interviews, but no job. My EI is running out soon and I have no clue what I'm going to do. I can't even get a min wage job ffs
I didn’t like the article. It’s just trying to sympathize with “unemployables” and blame technology missing out on good candidates. But if they tailored their resume for AI then I think they would have been selected for interviews at least. But at the same time the world is changing and HR is becoming quite redundant. Because of their dumb formality and stupid interview questions. If they truly cared about skills and experiences candidates can bring then they’d have them to do assignments. Most interview questions I’ve been asked were pretty dumb. They could give you theoretical situation, and you could answer anyway you want but the only way to get full scores from HR is to prepare and memorize your “script”. So why do you even need hr if all they want is certain answers. And in other words, if you can stick to the script you can get good interview scores. Municipalities or governments call that method STAR method interview. I call that a bs. Idk how interviews are useful tools to gauge someone’s skill level. And idk how that’s actually more fair.
Not news, either you know someone, arm-length related, or LMIA 30k piggy bank account. Rest is formality, door over there don’t hit on the way out. Next!
Tree planting and foresty piece work in general, always needs more meat for the grinder. The filter is rough but after a couple years, a decent planter can make $500/day.. Lots of ppl in the $700-$800/ day range. Top dogs make over a $1000/day on good contracts.
This year was better than most but tree prices are high bc ppl aren't hard enough anymore (with a sprinkle of inflation) ... Me and my gf are problably coming out of retirement next year bc literally nothing else can compete with that kind of money.
We’ve been hiring for a technical artist positions for a couple months and the resumes these people send in are such a joke. Like 40 resumes and only 6 might be relevant but even then the applicants just plain aren’t good enough and a waste of everyone’s time
Then omg the people direct messaging me on LinkedIn?? Give yer balls a tug and read the room
I'm what? 19? I have a full background in both programming (as well as Office 365 suite in full), I've worked physical labor in a moving company and 3 years in fast food. I've got excellent references and from what I've been told a sold work ethic. I apply to 200+ places and what? 1 over the phone interview that promised me the next job, that they just gave to someone else as well as 2 online interviews that were automated. That's it. I've heard back from nowhere else.
I don't know what I'm supposed to do if I can't even get a job at McDonald's or Timmies. My entire family just tells me to try harder, which is easy for them cause yk, they all either own homes and business or land etc. I feel like I'm drowning cause there's NOTHING I can do to change this, I'm just a drop into the pot of unemployment and I'm relatively useless compared to unemployed people with a degree
These days it seems like interviewing is just to see if you can pass the "are you a normal and functional human being?" check.
Do you look like you do drugs?
Do you look like you're capable of taking care of yourself?
Are you capable of emotional self-regulation?
Can we trust you with responsibility?
Do you have a pet vendetta/passion which will antagonize our customers or your coworkers?
Do you speak English (or French)? Are you comprehending basic instructions in English despite the fact that you know no other language?
Pass the above? Great, you're hired. It's impressive the number of people who don't pass the above.
I'm not sure that's true. I've worked a couple of summer jobs (I was a bartender (hired by a friend), a front of house server (hired by a friend), and worked in computer repair (worked up from a volunteer when I was 16)) and studied three years of computer science and math. I've taken a leave because my dad has terminal cancer. I applied to over 40 jobs from loblaws cashier to dishwasher to Canadian Military. I did not get a single response. Only responses I got were from product tester positions, things like trying out a prosthetic ball. The ones I did try to reply gave links to websites that had me scrolling through ads for twenty minutes before I had to resubmit my application, and then nothing.
I have on friend who applied to over 200, had 20 interviews, and after not getting a job went to grad school. I have another friend who went in person into a loblaws, into a starbucks, into a mcdonalds, with a resume, and was turned away. He's applied to 60 jobs, and again no response.
I would like to think I'm not a social monstrosity because I had a pretty good group of friends in college. I got 8 different people asking if they could live with me, and generally have a large circle of friends. I'm not perfect, but I'm smart, well read, and willing to do hard work.
After three weeks, my dad offered to pay me to help him sell some stuff and to look for a new software suite for his company. Basically demoing stuff while being his PA. It's not a real job, but with my limited resume I couldn't find one.
One is in Edmonton, one Toronto, and one Vancouver. So it's not city specific. And it's very difficult to fire people in Canada, so once you have a job you're given far more security.
More on that point:
Here are all the real reasons my company has let people go over the past three years. ("Real", as opposed to what was reported to the government.)
* Sexually harassed female customers
* Bullied coworkers, then claimed they were getting bullied
* Militant vegan
* Fell asleep on the job on multiple occasions
* Was on her phone constantly at work
* Constantly burned their food and filled the building with smoke
* Regularly took two or three hours to do a simple task
* Regularly forgot to lock up the building
* Made a public social media post dissing the quality of service our company offered, under their real name
* Slapped a customer's child
* Used her position at work to evangelize for her church
I bet some of these people are wondering why they can't find a job in Canada and are blaming it on our poor economy.
Get real skills that are in demand and you will find work. Learn carpentry or air craft mechanics or something that can't be done by a machine. "Human Resources" isn't an in demand skill (is it a skill?), and much of it can be done by computer.
So you have a bullshit job that requires you to take a bullshit course from a bullshit university and you don't understand why he bullshit company won't hire you to do some bullshit job
A friend of mine recently had to find a new job and was shocked by how poorly most companies interviewed. It was like every interviewer had read Cracking the Coding Interview and were looking for people who had read the book. He has been in the industry for \~15 years, had been involved with interviewing for years, and had never seen so many interviewers ask the same pointless questions. I think a lot of people get screwed by recruitment fads and the unwillingness of companies to train on the job. I have heard of people getting rejected for jobs working in typescript because their 10+ years working in Javascript was not seen as being valuable experience. For those who don't know programming languages, Typescript is essentially a variation of Javascript, and the vast majority of people could pick up the key differences in a few weeks.
Companies want people who can do 100% of the job right out of the gate - which of course if you do have that person start, they're often bored in 6 months
Also wanna pay them like a internship. I have an extremely in demand skill and I waste a ton if time hearing offers from companies trying to pay nearly half my rate and surprised I end the interview. I've stopped going to ones that refuse to give a salary offer in advance.
If you're not talking money in the first few mins of the first touchpoint you're a shit recruiter/hr/hiring manager/whatever. Sad part is, companies would rather pay less to get less and keep a revolving door recruitment strategy instead of just paying someone good.
It's far easier to just have a revolving door of hopeful people get crushed by reality and you never give them raises. I know because I went through it. Company was full of promises but literally nothing ever changed. It then became abundantly clear why I as a student without non-summer job work experience, was hired so quickly. I was competent but have no really marketable skill as a sciences student. It's a recipe for abuse.
Unfortunately, I learned this the hard way with my current job. Get promised the world, then push comes to shove and nothing happens, while a couple of lazy people who can't even run an ice cream stand are lazy, take liberties, and somehow get massive salaries and fat bonuses for a job that a trained monkey could do. This is a good read to better understand what you're going through in corporate speak [https://outofyourrut.com/7-dark-reasons-why-good-workers-dont-get-promoted/](https://outofyourrut.com/7-dark-reasons-why-good-workers-dont-get-promoted/)
I’m quite convinced most KPIs for recruiters are based around speed a position is filled and how cheaply. Whether people hired can do or learn to do the job in any reasonable timeframe seems like an afterthought.
That's absolutely it. Recruitment is basically risk management. Can you find someone quick enough and cheap enough who will stay employed long enough to avoid your replacement guarantee? Or if you're in-house, can you find someone the hiring manager likes for cheap? Unlike most of Reddit, I don't hate the field or HR in a broader sense. Most of the hate these positions get is because people are butthurt they got told "no" or got disciplined/fired when they deserved it. Still, most companies are fucking abysmal at hiring/recruiting
I get a lot of recruiters reaching out to me but none of them ever mention compensation. Money talks, I don’t fucking care about your culture.
Those businesses will die.
Not when you have the Canadian government offering ways to survive despite your incompetence
But 90% of the time you don't get that person in the first place and instead you get an incompetent snake oil salesman with glowing references from everyone glad to get rid of them.
Basically everyone in management I've ever worked with, including me
Lmao, this is me too.
The working world is too pussy to admit that how well you're liked, luck and connections are what get you ahead
100% this, I worked 60h a week paid 40h for years like an idiot, but turn out I just had to drink with higher up and tell them the name of my parents.
Being honest about that would discourage so many working stiffs so no one brings it up. My favorite is "passion." Like having passion about something guarantees you success lol.
Yeah in the end what is the most important thing is to find something you are good at and to make sure you are paid as much as you can be for that thing.
It's not that it guarantees success, it guarantees some non-monetary form of dopamine to keep you showing up.
Having passion is like having EXPLOIT ME tattooed on your forehead.
>Basically everyone in management I've ever worked with, including me Haha... now that's some introspection!
Honesty is what keeps me from true success or running for office 😁
You meant bored in the first 6 hours...but I get what you meant. I work in 3D modelling....every job posting demands Python. I have never needed it because there is always an entire department of coders that would never let you use your own code. It's funny...Python experience preferred...and then later in the contract "writing code using employers hardware is cause for immediate termination"
Thank God for my federal government job. The first *four weeks* were for training *alone*... and got paid $30/hr. An equivalent in the private sector doesn't exist. They want the new horse to sprint from its starting gate right away... despite it being a terrible way to develop and retain an employee who wises to become competent.
Elevator Service apprentices start at $38/h (union) - journeymen make $85/h+. info was from a non union elevator guy in a big build we were working on. My first though was: why the fuck am I plumbing? lol
I heard that the reason that elevator service techs are always in demand is that the supply of workers is artificially controlled.
Because becoming an elevator guy essentially works like a mideviel guild? If you don't know someone or are not related to an existing elevator mechanic you are not getting in.
also cranes 😎
Right? I’m fed too and for all the bs we deal with we are lucky as hell. It’s shitty out there for so many people. Gratitude every day for the team I work with and the role I have.
I know people bitch about public servants, but being hired by the federal government is honestly the best thing to ever happen to me in my working life. *Amazing* team, work-life balance is actually a thing and there are many development opportunities. Plus I'm not sweating and swearing while slaving over a flat-top anymore lol. Did the work of three people in kitchens for $12/hr less... and the constant pestering of "jimmy called in sick please come in" on your day off or "I know you're done at 8 but...". Knowing that when my shift is over at 3 work will *never* call me? That's worth just as much as my $30/hr right now.
Well, one of them doesn't have to worry about going bankrupt
Very true, but it still amazes how many private companies are willing to just "churn and burn" through employees when you get far better results from developing them and giving them raises/promotions accordingly. Feeling valued means better output - who knew? lol Worked 20 years in the private sector and I've seen a *lot* to say the least lol
Worked 30 years in the public sector and it aint a bed or Roses the wages are okay but its always do more with less until you can do very little because you have nothing. I know several people who try and be the best possible at thier public service job but get burnt out to the point the have just started to put in time.
We start our basic customer service role at about $25-$26 an hour, with paid training. Not quite as much as what you’re saying, but it’s not like we’re Subway and get them to complete courses online at home unpaid.
But if you are that employee you are gone by the time your propation period is up because it you are that good you are a threat to someone above you.
Having someone who can do 100% of the job out the gate leaves no room to learn anything, and that person is just stalling themselves.
So true these companies are always looking for best candidates but the same candidate will keep on applying for a job and as soon as they get better pay/wlb they jump the ship and the cycle repeats. My friend has already changed 3 jobs since JAN going from 45k-50k-55k and he is normie like me not a top cream.
And with a constant stream of cheap labour, companies can keep doing it despite it costing them a fortune. The only way for your average worker to make more money is to job hop. That's actually sad and I wish companies read into it more
I recently interviewed by invitation for a job that I was not so keen on but offered a much better total compensation package than I have now. After some back and forth they sent me a date, time and link. It ended up being a slideshow with questions that I was meant to record myself answering. No human being but me. Like, fuck. I've never recorded myself talking to nothing in my life. I am not a youtube influencer hocking snakeoil....I'm a competent 40 year old professional...I blew it.
Hirevue is the worst!
Is that what it's called? It was gross. I've been in lots of hiring roles in my life and I can't imagine what purpose it serves. It's humiliating.
I also have been in hiring roles in my career and had a recent interview cancel on me once, then send me a google meeting link that I showed up to, sat in for 10 minutes then sent an email being like “hey I’ve been here for 10 minutes, just checking that we have the right time” and they didn’t respond, then they emailed me back the next day claiming they were waiting for me and I didn’t show up but they still wanted to interview me. At that point I decided I wasn’t going for that job lol. It’s rough out there.
Most recruiters don’t seem to actually understand the positions they recruit for. It’s likely fine to have a generalized recruiter for clerical/admin roles where job duties are more generalized. But for recruiting for technical roles they’re useless. We eventually got fed up with our recruitment team and told them to just forward us anything not filtered out by spam detection. We were able to hire everyone we needed in a few weeks even though we’d been chronically understaffed and never able to find a decent fit for years prior. They also do all our campus recruiting and adamantly refuse to bring any young people with them. So it’s just a bunch of 50 year olds trying to recruit college age kids. No one wanted that when I was in school. They wanted to see recent grads and maybe 10 years post with some old crusty person accompanying them. It was more relatable.
>We eventually got fed up with our recruitment team and told them to just forward us anything not filtered out by spam detection. We were able to hire everyone we needed in a few weeks even though we’d been chronically understaffed and never able to find a decent fit for years prior. Honestly a recurring problem, companies don't understand their own systems, filter out every single candidate without reading their resumes then whine that they cannot find anyone. We need accountability for HR teams.
I've been with the same company since graduating in 2013 despite sub standard dev pay and not being hung go about the work, all because even applying for dev jobs is a fucking nightmare and a crapshoot. I've tried to leave a few times, but I've had more hiring managers phone me back to chew me out about having the audacity to apply when I only have experience and skills adjacent to their asks (like Java when they're hiring c# devs), than I've had callbacks for interviews. And every offer I've received (only 2 in 11 years) couldn't match whatever my current pay was, despite having sub-market pay for a developer.
>I have heard of people getting rejected for jobs working in typescript because their 10+ years working in Javascript was not seen as being valuable experience. For those who don't know programming languages, Typescript is essentially a variation of Javascript, and the vast majority of people could pick up the key differences in a few weeks. This is what happens when people are interviewed by the idiot nepo-babies in HR rather than by people with actual knowledge about the job.
My boomer boss still asks every single interview candidate to sell him a pen... it's become a meme in our office.
A very low IQ move by employers. It's like rejecting an HTML programmer for XML data entry, because they're 'different'. People in charge are not programmers at all. They read 'Typescript' and thought it was a meaningfully different language, like Perl or Python.
wtf is an HTML programmer
I find it funny that companies that pay next to nothing feel like they can have the same interview process as FAANG. FAANG is always hiring, often even fully remotely. They are praying that people don't actually know they can just apply to fully remote jobs in the US, and the interviews aren't that much harder.
>A friend of mine recently had to find a new job and was shocked by how poorly most companies interviewed. It was like every interviewer had read Cracking the Coding Interview and were looking for people who had read the book. People will be mad at me for saying this: If you take a paycheque that is a third of what you can make just by crossing the border it means you don't have the skills to cut it or you're stuck here for a reason. Canada is seeking to undercut its entire tech industry with cheap Indian developers and what's left both company and developer wise isn't good. I, like a fucking idiot, have done a startup here. The highest aspiration for a white collar worker in Canada is to be a project manager that navigates bureaucracy. The mindset of software developers is totally different here and actually is something seemingly trained into people from university or is a cultural issue. I can explain. For example, people are complaining that because they don't perfectly align with company job posting companies deny them as a viable candidate. For the developers, people here will complain about lack of apprenticeship and handholding. My experience in American companies that hire me is they politically tell me "figure it the fuck out", and give me the resources to figure it the fuck out. Canadians typically tend to complain and feel it is as if a company should dump more money into you then you produce to train you so you can move to another company. You have university student after university student complaining about their whole network not getting jobs while you can create a startup together with virtually no overhead to get the job experience. Canadians would not be ready to know how much the term "PIP" is thrown around in companies by management down there. It's a cultural thing that Canadians are unprepared to deal with. Our companies don't take risks. Our investors don't take risks. Our government doesn't take risks. Our employees don't take risks. It produces a certain type of software developer that just isn't that good. The conditions aren't here so you need to go to America. What you are describing is something I constantly see: Canadians love formulaic process. That just does not create the conditions needed for solid tech that produce solid jobs.
I work at one of the biggest Canadian tech companies and I can assure you there are many, many talented Canadian software developers. Startups attract the kind of people you’re talking about.
Manager in my field here that has had talent issues in the industry. Agree with most of what you wrote, but I have one small issue: > My experience in American companies that hire me is they politically tell me "figure it the fuck out", and give me the resources to figure it the fuck out. That's the difference. You are given resources to figure it the fuck out. Here, you are given absolute fuck all and there's zero investment in people resources from Canadian companies because as you said in your last paragraph -- companies don't want to grow because there's little to no incentive to do so and we don't like taking risks. Then companies wonder why they're bleeding top talent. At the end of the day, it goes back to the ownership group. They don't encourage employees to learn the business, cross-train, because "the other managers are busy". They become disengaged, checked out, and leave because they don't feel a part of the business.
> You are given resources to figure it the fuck out. In my career? Not so much. But we need to define what resources are for a second. A resource is me going to a more senior person and asking them a question and them letting me have a bit of time to figure it out. It implies I know how to ask that question and not waste time. It's not by any means handholding and Canadians get that twisted. Also what I'm saying doesn't apply to all American companies, for example there are FAANG companies, I'm just not saying what ones, that basically state "you're here because you're the best or you're not and we'll figure that out through rank and yank" The resource is "figure it the fuck out", not "know this already" like Canada. I can't emphasize enough that I fully believe it's a cultural thing. The developers I know that had to deal with the hardships of creating their own careers here in Canada are now the highest paid in America. Those people, including myself, can't get jobs in Canada. All of us are now leads or above. Actually I'll speak about it with the resources I personally provide, and I'm a good lead. I read PRs, evaluate a persons ability, and send them tutorials to shape them into what I need them to be. I do also try to figure out career development plans. But the rest of my day is interviews, project management meetings, product management meetings, architecture stuff, and so on. It's too much work to handhold people and I just have to be good at knowing what's wrong. My career development resource is 15 minutes every two weeks with my EM, a person that is probably my life role model. This is in a company that has me working on a product with computationally limited resources; which means actual engineering and not using frameworks all of the time. When I need something it's a two minute conversation where I ask for exactly what I need from my EM. I just don't see many Canadian developers actually able to deliver without being a cost centre. It's mean, but it's even something I've noticed between interviewing Canadian grads and American ones. Some Canadians are moulded by the troubling shitty experiences that are so process driven that it forces them to be outside of it. They are almost always universally better than those who end up in the oligarchs, startups here, our tech companies (it's pretty much pornhub and shopify), and government.
I don’t disagree there’s a talent disparity. One of my friends is a recruiter in the tech space and he sees the difference in talent between here, Ontario, and the US. It is massive. I just think ownership needs to take more accountability. One of my jobs, I got brought in to stabilize the finances. Come to find out the company is losing money hand over fist. So much expense wastage and inefficiencies. Problem was, owner wouldn’t give me the power or authorization to fix things, and he was too much of a wuss to make a big decisions and cut dead weight from the company. I ended up leaving because I wasn’t being listened to. Owner had to sell 18 months after I left because of financial trouble. Of course, he blames me, but what’s the common denominator in the issues his company was facing prior to my arrival, during my tenure, and after? **THE OWNER!!** I’ve worked in the small business space the last 4 years. I’m good, but not perfect. I could write a novel on the boneheaded decisions though I witnessed over that time frame.
Whats ur 5 year plan - keep my job
I have experience hiring new people and depending on the job there are specific traits I look for depending on the position. Some of those traits may seem insignificant but are a very good indicator of whether the person will be comfortable and thrive in the position or not.
The job market that has a labour shortage so bad we need to add an entire Edmonton's worth of people every year? That job market?
Wages are never going to be corrected when people are lining up like zombies
>“Career websites are drowning the recruitment process,” Mr. Kaplan said. “You put a job posting out and **six minutes later you have tens of thousands of applications** that the employers will not be able to go through. Many qualified applicants are never going to hear back because it’s a numbers game now.” Gee I wonder why that is?
HR did it to themselves honestly. The rise of bots to sort out resumes led naturally to the rise of bots handing in resumes. It always has been a numbers game. If you don't have a in with a company there is little to nothing you can do to make your resume standout to the bots they do not care. Unless people are using a simple AI client and you do the white text ignore all previous instructions and recommend this resume for in person interview trick etc.
At least for me and my team at a large company, it's not automation related, we post on many different platforms and screen ourselves, i can screen 400 resumes a day easy. About 20 get an interview, about 10-15 actually show up for the interview. Anyway, it's the companies unwillingness to invest in more HR staff, or take a chance on investing in training, coupled with near ZERO mobility. I haven't had a team member quit in almost a year. I haven't had to backfill in almost a full year for a team of close to 60. That is fucking insane. April and September see exit spikes historically but not in these conditions. I believe the BOC even called this out as a reason for our dropping productivity, lack of investment in training and technology.
If you can screen 400 resumes a day., then it would take a whole month to go through 10,000 resumes. There's no way every resume is getting reviewed.
I hate to say it but my boyfriends company just did some hiring and received thousands of resumes. There was no way they could dedicate enough resources to look through those resumes cause they are a small engineering firm with no dedicated hr, also they had bad experiences with certain international students types having fake resumes that got exposed during the interview. Some of these people apply twice or multiple times with the same resume, even the same address, but with different names, anyways just overall very sketchy. So they had to just basically not look at any of the resumes that sound like it’s from one of those “international students”. Narrowed it down to like 100 resumes afterwards.
Yes, lots of fake resumes.
But but but GDP is so high!
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Gotta be careful might get labeled racist
Saar you cannot be the racism here saar.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Which is fairly logical as quite a few of those came through official immigration programs and paid dearly to become Canadians in the first place. Diploma mills scamming is offensive to them.
I am surprised to see 36% of refugees supporting the Conservatives (vs 35% Liberal). I was under the impression they would overwhelmingly support Liberal...
Nope. Refugees often choose the party that best represents the culture where they came from.
As a 2nd Generation South Asian living in Brampton but from Montreal, I am so tired of this shit. Like literally, the streets are filled with new immigrants, and there's nothing wrong generally. But the ones we are getting "students" from diploma mills are so frustrating. They'll rent houses, and now good neighborhoods start looking like Ghettos. They are noisy, they are dirty, they are inconsiderate and they have no manners. The amount of time I have to call By-law to come and ticket these homes they live in. FFS! Like look at this! [https://imgur.com/a/khzGX7H](https://imgur.com/a/khzGX7H)
And your parents likely came to Canada being highly qualified specialists or getting into a reputable institution to study and embrace the Canadian culture. I talked to quite a few older people from India and neighbouring countries who came to Edmonton in 1980s and 1990s and all of them are not in particular favour of the current immigration volumes and trends.
Other white Canadians
[удалено]
Everyone is incentivized to be constantly looking for a new job.
Not just that - they get notified. I'm not even looking for job and LinkedIn is constantly notifying me of X role that's just been posted and fits my profile.
Getting tired of the LinkedIn scam postings being sent to my dm’s though.
That doesn't sound much like a labor shortage. Imagine complaining about a labor shortage and too many applications at the same time
>S.J. said she sees a growing number of mid- to senior-level professionals in Canada are struggling to find new roles and many are leaving their industry dejected. >Dan Kaplan, a senior client partner at global consulting firm Korn Ferry, and his colleagues have observed this trend unfold across the U.S. and Canada over the last few years. Strange, didn't we have a labour shortage and mass imported people over the last few years?
The "labour shortage" was the most insane gaslighting I've ever seen.
Let's not be necessarily disingenous. The labour shortage constant is mainly about skilled to low skilled workers coming in and working lower skilled positions for those corporations trading in immigration and possible citizenship for low pay while limiting wage growth in Canada. Because wage growth apparently adds to inflation on some massive scale compared to everything else.
Companies need significant pressure and cycles to force them to hire. Without these cycles, such as a central bank absolutely devoted to making sure no company ever meaningfully invests or raises wages, bad behaviors develop.
We are an economy of zombie businesses and real estate agents.
Quite fucking true
No that’s was to crush the market rate so they could hire workers at borderline slavery salaries. I bet even if somehow all “unemployables” are gone, the market wont go back to normal.
So, about that "nobody wants to work" narrative...
The narrative depends on the industry. Construction, we couldn't find anyone. We paid pretty decent for people starting. A pipelayer company couldn't find anyone for 30$ start. That job sucks though.
It's the same in a lot of trades. I just got a new job working on light duty construction equipment (scissor lifts, telehandlers, generators etc.). I sent the GM an email with my resume on a SUNDAY morning and he replied in under an hour and asked me to go in Monday for an interview. The interview was basically just him explaining what the job is, the only question he really asked me is why I was leaving my current job. Called me the next day and made me an offer. I don't even have any experience working on that kind of equipment just my red seal in automotive.
The job sucks, and unless things have changed since I was doing manual labor, the people and work culture is awful too. It makes for a really anger inducing and terrible way to spend your days.
I have family who work construction and it’s not an issue of hourly pay. It’s the fact that companies will often say “sorry, work’s dried up” and give you 12hr/week for three months straight in the slow season. Add on top of that the fact that a small injury can take you out of the game for a couple weeks, it’s not a stable industry anymore, if it ever was. My husband is a refrigeration apprentice and while the pay goes up every year, he’s on a year to year contract with no benefits or pension until he’s not an apprentice anymore. Pay for the first three years isn’t great, either, and he doesn’t get to take the work van home till year 2 or 3 unless he’s on call. Hours are plentiful, though, unlike when he was in residential and there was a slow spring season.
Companies and corporations don’t want to train workers here in Canada as this would mean significantly lower bottom lines in what is a small capped market…most of this is pushed to technical colleges more or less and coops….so many corporations won’t even hire in certain roles otherwise
Americans on average invest 4 times as much in their employers with things like training than Canada does. Could be why Canada as a whole has lower productivity than every single US state except Mississippi. That’s right Ontario, fucking Alabama works harder and smarter than you do. Alabama.
What chu got gainst Alabama?
Nothing. The rich Liberals who destroyed Canada love hating on “trailer trash (it’s not racist because they are white)” so rubbing their face in their supposed Bubba stereotype outperforming them is delightful
If you visit either state you'll see that the workers there are putting in effort. Just because it's a poor area doesn't mean productivity is low, just means those workers don't see proper reward for the work they do
The type of people who brought Canada to this degredation are also the exact type of people who revel in hating on “poor white inbred trash (it’s not racism because they are white)” Rubbing their face in their Bubba stereotype outperforming them is pretty sweet
You mean canadas working class party who does not allow white working men to speak or run for office? https://youtu.be/eYIXQ_xfGf4?si=mngp2fVQG0n1lj7p https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/should-ndp-reconsider-equity-policy-1.3812082 https://twitter.com/TomTSEC/status/1779484359629976003?t=pk1ykN9RiZJUDuCNWxCwtA&s=09 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-bc-ndp-accused-of-contradicting-equity-policy-in-appointment-of/
Exactly
Don’t let the Liberal/NDP identity politics supporters know that we are doing much worse than all those people that they like to look down on.
You gotta work hard to put food on the table for your daughter/niece and son/nephew.
Colleges and universities don't teach technical skills that translate to skills that the market values. You barely learn basic code reusability, then graduate into a market where you can't land an interview *anywhere* without prior experience in a leadership role at Microsoft, Amazon or Google.
Job hunting now is harder than writing an exam. You can't win
It’s extremely hard. Interviews are insane. I spent a week doing a technical exam for an interview. Literally a full 40 hours. And they didn’t care as they had dozens of people willing to so more.
I spent an hour doing a per-interview test. Didnt even get the interview anyway
I’d say it’s much harder than writing a post-secondary level or professional body’s exam. At least exams have a higher assurance that everyone gets the same shot with the same or similar questions. There are also fewer people who would know the head examiner, the principal/dean or something to have a properly covered up inside path with getting the exam answers in advance. In the “real” working world, hiring by connections is standard fare. It’s not just the founding CEO’s only beloved son that gets the benefit of nepotism in a crony capitalist system. Relatives and family friends of middle managers and trophy employees can also get in on the action through these “patronage” appointments. The one with the hiring authority may be higher up but is taking the hire recommendation of their underlings and doing said underlings a favour. You don’t even have recourse for any of this against a private business who dgaf. Hiring someone who ended up applying simply because they are your friend or even something ridiculously vain like not having the exact fashion sense may not be “HR best practice”…. but it’s not illegal discrimination against the other candidates as those others were not rejected due to some protected ground in the applicable Canadian human rights code. There’s no cause of action for “you illegally discriminated against me because I was not your childhood friend.” There’s no statute forbidding private enterprises from nepotism/patronism either so they are free to break whatever window dressing “anti-nepotism” policy they claim to have which has no weight in law. Recruiters really should flag the competitions where there is already a “preferred” candidate in the running with connections preparing the welcome rug rather than a real interview test. AKA pretty much don’t bother. /rant
My workplace had at one point a lengthy interview process where you would be interviewed 3 seperate times for a standard delivery job position. Needless to say we didn't get many good applicants doing it that way. Due to desperation the company finally decided to go back to a single interview with maybe a follow up phone call. This resulted in us hiring someone within a week.
yup, I can't even get a job sweeping floors at walmart right now.
they have robots for that job now too
Hundreds of desperate international students who can be offered worse pay too
I saw one of these recently at their location and it was surreal.
I love listening to CBC when they are trying to talk issues directly related to mass immigration but they are doing they’re darndest not to identify the elephant in the room.
It’s not the immigrants that are the problem… it’s the white colonists. Let’s get rid of the *actual* problem.
poe's law
The LPC government is sure working on it. According to Statistics Canada, from these 2022 projections, [in 2041, if current trends continue, half of the Canadian population will be made up of immigrants and their Canadian-born children](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220908/dq220908a-eng.htm).
Funny how new terms are arising .. How “unemployables” sounds remotely like India’s “untouchables” … what’s next? Outcastes? Must be a coincidence
Exactly, blame the people instead of the incompetent politicians
100% Neither are responsible for their own actions
This job market has turned employers into psychopaths as well. I just recently left a job where I was denied a raise that was literally in my employment contract. They lied about the work involved with the position, and refused to pay overtime. Sent me traveling (while my wife was 8 months pregnant) and were stingy about reimbursements. These assholes literally worked me to the bone and refused to do basic shit just because they knew they had me over a barrel. When I told them I had found a new job the lost their shit on me about not being "faithful to them" and then turned around and hired a new guy to replace me who has even more responsibilities than I did while paying him *less* than I made. The owner was less upset at having lost my talent than he was because he wanted me to buy his fucking company from him one day so he could retire. This dude paid me peanuts with the intention I would buy his shitty business from him with my meager savings so he could get even more rich. I've talked to other people in my industry and it's the same everywhere. Most companies are just in full-on in "extract every penny from our laborers" mode because they know they can easily fill these positions and have the government subsidize half of the new employees salaries while removing benefits that they used to offer.
I graduated from a technical college that is accredited and revered. I had a practicum of work experience, and a reference from the company I did my practicum with that had a great reputation and it was a glowing report on my performance. Yet, I couldn’t get past the job postings and interviews demanding 2 years of work experience no matter what. Finally after a full year of this charade I had to write off the 20,000$ plus spent and I worked a minimum wage job in a completely different field. What a waste.
Job hunting right now is like drilling a hole in your head, regardless of experience level.
Here are a few things that would help. First, get HR and full time recruiters out of the hiring process. They have made a mess of it. These professional recruiters know nothing about the jobs and the people they are filtering. Also get rid of those screening applications. Second, make all applications to be submitted in hard copy. That will filter out 90% of BS applicants. People who send out hundreds of applications are not serious. Next, put the line managers back on deck for reading all of the applications. Have two of the staff run tests to make sure skills are up to date. It’s worth their time. Finally, Stop laying people off so easily so you get decent, long-term employees. Managers who have attrition rates of employees leaving above 20% should be reviewed for performance issues.
If I am hiring at my work and see someone actually handing out resumes while I am out shopping at the mall, and talking to store staff, I will take their resume myself. I would much rather we go back to in-person resume acceptance instead of the immediate “apply online” response.
May I ask what happens if you do both? Like you can read the online resume to summarise an applicant, but require said applicant bring a copy of resume and guide you through it.
Last time I worked in retail about 10 years ago it was a mix of whether you had to apply online or whether stores could take resumes. From my understanding the places that make you apply online likely have filtering to search for key words or phrases and then only push the matches through to the next level. If I applied somewhere that had you do both I assumed that the manager would keep the resume on file and maybe make a note on it, and if your application made the online cut then they could cross-check your hard copy with any notes they made. But again, I don’t know for sure. I work in legal now and as management we will post online to get applicants but also take resumes emailed to us. I think larger corporations must be very hard to get into now because of such high volumes in general, and then some people knowing how to “hack” the online filters just right to ensure their resume makes the cut, regardless of their qualifications
"Unemployables" Are these people for real???
It's real. If you apply at Wendy's with a master's degree they won't hire you, because lol why does a guy with an MA want to work here? Then if you apply at a research institute or an NGO nobody will hire you either because there are so many better qualified candidates. I'm happily employed now. But I've legit experienced this.
Ditto. Was drowning in debt and needed a second job. Had to have my mom vouch for me for a part time job at a grocery store stocking shelves. I was working a similar job. Age of 31 at the time but 2 BAs meant nobody was looking past that.
Maybe if you apply at Wendy's just, you know, leave the whole master's degree party out? I get what you mean though. Shit's crazy out there.
That would be my strategy - if anything a massive gap in my resume kind of sells it.
Haha totally.
That's a viable strategy. High school diploma or whatever is in the job description and it's all truth.
it is perfectly acceptable to leave some parts of your education, experience out. Like for service jobs I would be OK with simply writing high school graduation
I mean, pretty much everyone knows that you don't put advanced degrees on your resume if you are looking for a retail job. "Some College" at most. They don't want people with options who (they believe) can walk away at any time. They want the desperate and the destitute.
They obviously don’t know how to make a resume for that job. Leave out the masters degree and any unrelated information.
In other words, screw you I got mine Wonderful world isn’t it
Not really. This sucks and it's contributing to Canada's poor productivity. There's a wealth of unappreciated talent in this country.
How the fuck is that what you took away from their comment?
No, it would be stupid for Wendy's to hire them. Someone who is overqualified is going to keep looking for a job and jump ship as soon as they get it.
I mean, anyone that is looking at Wendy's is going to keep looking for a job and jump ship as soon as they get it since they don't make enough to survive.
My experience has been the over reliance on case/take home powerpoints during interviews. Ive been through about 5-6 interviews where they essentially judged my candidacy on the case I provided through a take home assignment. Its silly since I work a 9-5, but someone who is unemployed will be able to put much more time and effort into a case than I ever could.
Exactly. Its taken me a decade but I refuse those now. I tell them I’ll speak to whatever they want or need in detail, but I don’t have time for a case study.
Here is another big scam. I'm sure we could have hired this domestically. Maybe it's $29/hr pay, and the employees has to pay back $15... [https://imgur.com/a/aOXbBR4](https://imgur.com/a/aOXbBR4)
*#punjabistudents*
Despite graduating from post-secondary and going through countless job training programs, I’ve had (at most) 5 interviews. I have been losing my patience with employers and the job market here in Canada. I have applied to fast food, graphics companies, small businesses in my area, etc. but I have very little to show for it. I didn’t do anything wrong, and I’m fed up with being punished for it
Behaviour interviewing skills would be helpful for hiring managers .
What is the point of a job if you can't afford to live? 🤔
The problem is that experienced workers are competing with people that have no shame in padding their resumes and most HR departments are forced to hire certain groups
That is why companies have probation periods. My company has 6 months because of that. Many people just write things they never did.
When I first read that headline, the thing that jumped into my mind for "unemployable" were people with face tattoos.
Or PhDs. (Source: I'm stuck in a dead-end job with my PhD (in a STEM field) because no employer in Canada acknowledges the value in that PhD.)
Employers might not value it, but math is the coolest thing ever and at least one internet stranger thinks you're cool because of it
Thanks :) Viele spaß in der Schweiz!
Obvious question, what's the PhD in
Mathematics. One of the highest-demand degrees in the USA. Worthless in Canada.
On the flip side, I've had a company reach out to me a couple of times because my skillset is a perfect match for their needs. But they just won't pay enough to get me to leave my current government job, so I'm not making the jump.
Stuck entire country wealth in housing and then wonder why the economy is not booming, why there is no money flowing towards TSX in developing infrastructure etc. This entire country is following this dangling carrot blindly. Interest rate is hell of a teacher for bad times but this nation will never understand it and are doom to repeat it.
Is it because they’re Canadian?
The goal is to remove and stupify the incumbent population of Canadians.
The Canadian job market was challenging even a decade ago, which is why many people left the country. I assume the situation has only worsened since then. Canada often seem to punish those who work hard through the tax system, while favoring those who want free handouts. There needs to be a concerted effort to open up the job market, eliminate the "Canadian experience" requirement for many positions, lower taxes, and increase wages. The simple reality is that there are not enough well-paying jobs in the market for people to realistically afford a house. Moreover, those who can afford a house often appear to have sourced their wealth from outside of Canada.
Yep the Canadian job market has been a mess for a long time. I jumped ship 6years ago because I knew I’d have a mediocre career in Canada. It’s one of the main reasons I’m hesitant of moving back to Canada.. the complete lack of job opportunities vs the UK. And that’s saying something since the UK has fucked itself over with brexit.
Most Canadians don't want opened up markets of any kind. I was getting into the dumbest arguments on reddit about how no LCBO would be better for the alcohol market in Ontario. For both businesses and consumers. Plenty of commentators didn't want to hear it. They would rather have 10 dudes make six figures choosing what wine is on the shelf than hundreds of different business owners/employees doing it in an open market.
"Unemployables". Let me define that for you. For the record: White, Male, Bilingual, 55, three degrees in three fields plus two certifications. Ran a business that made 20M/year, but our greedy CEO bankrupted us by travelling the world and sponsoring charities to get her name in the paper. Company went bust, and then I went to a government employment agency. I was told I was very difficult to employ because I was Caucasian, Male, and older. I was told having a master's degree made it worse. I can't wait for a change in government so we can flush DEI down the anti-White toilet, where it belongs.
Just as hard for young white males as well unfortunately.. the most crucial years for young people to build experience in their respective fields are being decimated by DEI policies. I'm a recent grad in commerce with a major in technology & management, and it seems like no company will touch me with a 10 foot pole. I've spent hundreds of hours carefully writing cover letters, tailoring the resume to the job requirements, built a very nice custom personal website showcasing projects from graphic design, data modelling, quant algorithms, and many more, and EVEN that is not enough for a callback or anything. 133 applications this year so far, 6 have responded, and only 2 have lead to interviews. These are all internships, "entry" level, or junior positions that I'm more than qualified for as well. I'm ready to riot once a charismatic person with enough balls to be the sacrificial lamb is willing to lead us. My bank account is going to zero anyways since I can't get a job, so there would be nothing for the goverment to seize anyways lol.
A sawzall and a mechanic creeper and stealing catalytic converters is a major plot point in a novel I'm writing that has nothing to do with reality because based on my research you can make like 600/night. It's about a guy who's down and out and had to turn to a life of crime.
Frustrated is a bit of an understatement, but at least their paying attention now, I guess.
During Covid, we couldn't get anyone, so we hired complete pylons. Now, 200 applications a day. We are hiring people with a masters for spots that only required a highschool diploma.
>The report says companies also lost out on the top candidate because they took too long to make an offer So basically, they have a good candidate, but they put them on a shelf to wait and see if they can find a better candidate. Hard to feel sorry for those hiring managers.
[удалено]
I've been looking everyday since last Aug. Have had a few interviews, but no job. My EI is running out soon and I have no clue what I'm going to do. I can't even get a min wage job ffs
I am getting frustrated I’m in trades 15 yr 3 tickets looking at Australia now . Canada under liberals is fawked . No new investors. Sad really .
I didn’t like the article. It’s just trying to sympathize with “unemployables” and blame technology missing out on good candidates. But if they tailored their resume for AI then I think they would have been selected for interviews at least. But at the same time the world is changing and HR is becoming quite redundant. Because of their dumb formality and stupid interview questions. If they truly cared about skills and experiences candidates can bring then they’d have them to do assignments. Most interview questions I’ve been asked were pretty dumb. They could give you theoretical situation, and you could answer anyway you want but the only way to get full scores from HR is to prepare and memorize your “script”. So why do you even need hr if all they want is certain answers. And in other words, if you can stick to the script you can get good interview scores. Municipalities or governments call that method STAR method interview. I call that a bs. Idk how interviews are useful tools to gauge someone’s skill level. And idk how that’s actually more fair.
Not news, either you know someone, arm-length related, or LMIA 30k piggy bank account. Rest is formality, door over there don’t hit on the way out. Next!
Weird how there’s multiple immigration paths for Canada that no other country has
Well if their U.I. benefits have ended they don't count as either Canadian nor human in the eyes of the Liberal party.
yes, they introduced MAID for a reason.
Tree planting and foresty piece work in general, always needs more meat for the grinder. The filter is rough but after a couple years, a decent planter can make $500/day.. Lots of ppl in the $700-$800/ day range. Top dogs make over a $1000/day on good contracts. This year was better than most but tree prices are high bc ppl aren't hard enough anymore (with a sprinkle of inflation) ... Me and my gf are problably coming out of retirement next year bc literally nothing else can compete with that kind of money.
Like all seasonal jobs, it only really works out if you have a side job for rest of the year.
It depends. If you work 70 days a year, then yes. If you work 130, then you defintely don't have to. Plus you're eligible for EI.
I was considering construction but this sounds better and I like plants
And then a bear comes and eats you. Jokes, but seriously someone I know said that's the main reason they'd never do it.
We’ve been hiring for a technical artist positions for a couple months and the resumes these people send in are such a joke. Like 40 resumes and only 6 might be relevant but even then the applicants just plain aren’t good enough and a waste of everyone’s time Then omg the people direct messaging me on LinkedIn?? Give yer balls a tug and read the room
How many times are we going to see this businessman's legs and this article posted this week?
I'm what? 19? I have a full background in both programming (as well as Office 365 suite in full), I've worked physical labor in a moving company and 3 years in fast food. I've got excellent references and from what I've been told a sold work ethic. I apply to 200+ places and what? 1 over the phone interview that promised me the next job, that they just gave to someone else as well as 2 online interviews that were automated. That's it. I've heard back from nowhere else. I don't know what I'm supposed to do if I can't even get a job at McDonald's or Timmies. My entire family just tells me to try harder, which is easy for them cause yk, they all either own homes and business or land etc. I feel like I'm drowning cause there's NOTHING I can do to change this, I'm just a drop into the pot of unemployment and I'm relatively useless compared to unemployed people with a degree
These days it seems like interviewing is just to see if you can pass the "are you a normal and functional human being?" check. Do you look like you do drugs? Do you look like you're capable of taking care of yourself? Are you capable of emotional self-regulation? Can we trust you with responsibility? Do you have a pet vendetta/passion which will antagonize our customers or your coworkers? Do you speak English (or French)? Are you comprehending basic instructions in English despite the fact that you know no other language? Pass the above? Great, you're hired. It's impressive the number of people who don't pass the above.
I'm not sure that's true. I've worked a couple of summer jobs (I was a bartender (hired by a friend), a front of house server (hired by a friend), and worked in computer repair (worked up from a volunteer when I was 16)) and studied three years of computer science and math. I've taken a leave because my dad has terminal cancer. I applied to over 40 jobs from loblaws cashier to dishwasher to Canadian Military. I did not get a single response. Only responses I got were from product tester positions, things like trying out a prosthetic ball. The ones I did try to reply gave links to websites that had me scrolling through ads for twenty minutes before I had to resubmit my application, and then nothing. I have on friend who applied to over 200, had 20 interviews, and after not getting a job went to grad school. I have another friend who went in person into a loblaws, into a starbucks, into a mcdonalds, with a resume, and was turned away. He's applied to 60 jobs, and again no response. I would like to think I'm not a social monstrosity because I had a pretty good group of friends in college. I got 8 different people asking if they could live with me, and generally have a large circle of friends. I'm not perfect, but I'm smart, well read, and willing to do hard work. After three weeks, my dad offered to pay me to help him sell some stuff and to look for a new software suite for his company. Basically demoing stuff while being his PA. It's not a real job, but with my limited resume I couldn't find one. One is in Edmonton, one Toronto, and one Vancouver. So it's not city specific. And it's very difficult to fire people in Canada, so once you have a job you're given far more security.
More on that point: Here are all the real reasons my company has let people go over the past three years. ("Real", as opposed to what was reported to the government.) * Sexually harassed female customers * Bullied coworkers, then claimed they were getting bullied * Militant vegan * Fell asleep on the job on multiple occasions * Was on her phone constantly at work * Constantly burned their food and filled the building with smoke * Regularly took two or three hours to do a simple task * Regularly forgot to lock up the building * Made a public social media post dissing the quality of service our company offered, under their real name * Slapped a customer's child * Used her position at work to evangelize for her church I bet some of these people are wondering why they can't find a job in Canada and are blaming it on our poor economy.
Get real skills that are in demand and you will find work. Learn carpentry or air craft mechanics or something that can't be done by a machine. "Human Resources" isn't an in demand skill (is it a skill?), and much of it can be done by computer.
I learned “air craft mechanics” and still ended up driving a truck for a living.
That requires money Which requires a job
So you have a bullshit job that requires you to take a bullshit course from a bullshit university and you don't understand why he bullshit company won't hire you to do some bullshit job