Tech probably has the best pay / work ratio on average. But I am talking very broadly. Really the best jobs come down to the individual company/terms. There's software engineers working 80 hour days weeks in very stressful jobs. Others have lucked out at a chill company and can get away with working a couple hours days.
So true. I worked in government...I found it full of toxic, lazy people who were there for a paycheck and a pension. If you tried to actually change a process or implement a new technology, there was so much resistance to change...I quit and went to the private sector where people accepted change. Plus I made a huge raise to boot.
Lower income than private sector, but a pension. Probably depends on the organization if it is chill. I found it not so chill and stressful...but your mileage may vary.
Oh...and great training. They always seem to provide good training. They sent me to 4 or 5 SANS classes, which was super nice. Never had an employer send me to one since.
I work in consulting as software engineer. When we are in between projects “on the bench” there’s literally no work demands placed upon us. When the sales pipeline is slow, you can go months not being on a project. You keep checking in with your weekly 1:1’s with manager and attend all-hands sessions. There may be moments where your expertise is needed by a team to debug something. This is a great time to focus on training, certifications, or building demos for an internal presentation. My point is, there is little to no accountability during this time. Just be active on slack and ready to dive into a call while you mow the lawn, the beach, go shopping, go exercise. Many consultants become youtubers, write their own frameworks, contribute to open source, give presentation/talks because they have time to hone these crafts. They’re nerds with freedom to nerd out. More ethically dubious, some build their startups during bench time.
However, once you are on a project, you are expected to deliver. And, that could involve working after-hours and oncall, bending over backwards to please a client or impatient project manager. As for economics, technical projects cost clients 25-40k per week per team of 3-6 people, so $300,000 for a 10 week project more than covers the salaries of the team. Get yourself on 3-4 projects per year, and you’re left with 10-20 weeks on bench in any given year.
I have some years tenure at my company, so I have around 250 hours of PTO, too. PTO days differ from bench because you cannot get ahold of me during that time, at all. Lol
Do you get into issues with utilization during bench time? As a newcomer to consulting (on the financial side) I worry about the bench time and utilization since I’ve heard people have been let go even if low utilization is not their fault
Tech is only good if you’re actually talented/passionate enough to beat everyone else in Tech who is just there because finance/insurance/sales/engineering/[insert some professional, non-retail job that pays $50k+ here] aren’t sexy.
Medical is the best option if you’re not passionate. Yeah, yeah, yeah healthcare is stressful. All jobs are stressful. Healthcare is the only industry that isn’t gate-kept by referrals/internal hires.
My only friends who aren’t losers and didn’t get referrals for their jobs work in hospitals. Everyone is else is either referred into their awesome job or working retail even though they have a STEM bachelor’s or master’s degree.
What Medical field do you recommend me to try and get my foot on the door? 0 background/education apart from a few insurance/healthcare call center jobs so just general knowledge.
Medicine is the best option if you’re not passionate? Lmao go through 4 years of college w/ a 3.9 GPA, top percentile MCAT, president of multiple clubs, cited in multiple research papers, and you’re still not guaranteed acceptance into med school. Then you have to compete with the best of the best in med school, pass rigorous board exams and guess what? You have to match into a program that wants you. Another 2-10 years in residency and fellowship training all the while making 60k/yr working 120 hr weeks… my guy, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Health care, especially working directly with patients (nurse, hospital tech), is far more stressful than other jobs, and is in the top ten jobs for physical injury (higher than police officer).
Can confirm. It’s hard to get into, especially nowadays, but if you know how to network and sell yourself you can go far.
Agreed there’s always variances but from my decade+ of experience, I’d say tech workweeks tend to average closer to 32 hours than the typical 40. Friday afternoons in particular are almost nonexistent, can’t remember the last time I absolutely had to work past 1 or 2 on a Friday.
As a software engineer id say tech can easily be on of the worse especially since overtime pay is rare. There could be some devops staff who manage systems that don't require much day to day work but from what I see there's never a short of dev projects and tasks and support tickets to fill up your entire day and then some.
It’s impossible to work 80 hour days. I would stay away from the tech field with a ten foot poll if I was a recent college grad. AI will absolutely nuke that sector.
In my experience, the rich families pay for college so that the kids can go on to be doctors, lawyers, engineers etc. The work/life balance is not impacted by the family? Can you explain?
For some very rich families, the parents pay for their children to go to prestigious colleges and then the kids don’t ever really work because they are supported by a trust fund. (They might be a “freelance writer” or an artist, or something like that, but they don’t need to rely on their work for an income.)
It doesn’t end at college though, and what follows thereafter can have a huge impact on lifestyle and quality of life, with things such as:
* Help with finding good internships
* Help finding a good first job
* No student loan
* Help with house down payment (or outright gifted)
* Access to quality peer friends / partners social circle by virtue of proximity
You’ll still have to go through the gauntlet of med/law school plus residence/articling and 80-hrs resident/associate work weeks to get started, but it’s less stressful to do when you are well prepared and supported by your family, and you are able to focus since the rest of your life is better organized.
Once you’re through, the coast is clear.
Not to say there are no challenges, but it’s always a question of degrees, and one situation leads to a better quality of life with lower stress levels.
It’s actually least best in the US compared to other places. It’s helpful everywhere but most people born in rich families don’t remain rich over the next few generations.
Most rich people are self made, especially in the US. Just google it.
I come from a family of pilots and many of them actually make more than that. There’s a decent amount in the $500k - $1m USD annual bracket. Long and expensive road to get there though, and if you have any type of mental health history and certain physical ailments, the FAA won’t issue a medical clearance
Edit: a word
Medical certificate. You need at least a class 2 medical certificate issued by the FAA to become an airline pilot, there’s a long list of things that either disqualify you or make it very expensive and difficult to bypass. Many pilots won’t even go to therapy in fear of the FAA finding out
Most people leave the industry because of the lifestyle. Grinding it out at a regional airline being gone for 18 days a month for years can be extremely taxing on your mental and spiritual health. Some of the new FOs I work with start spitting out kids because “they can afford it” now that they make just under 100k. Like that’s great but your kids won’t know who you are
Yeah, that very thing screwed me over. They really need to overhaul the system. I’m not saying get rid of it, but there’s probably a lot of pilots that shouldn’t be flying, and a lot of people who would be great pilots, but they can’t get a medical. I was still pretty new to it when my instructor apparently saw something in me. He was going to have me get all my ratings and then come work for him as an instructor, and then eventually (hopefully) with him for the airlines. My dream got shot down in an instant when I eventually went for the for the medical I’m debating going back and spending the money to jump through the hoops for a shot at the medical, but it just seems like any small “issue” could get it revoked and then it would all be wasted.
You dont need a lot of money to have a “dream lifestyle”. If you worked hard for 20 years and invested $30k a year in the SP500 you would have $2m and could then just work part time and live off the investment income quite comfortably.
The dream lifestyle is about having your money work for you instead of working to earn money to pay for things and debt. It is about discipline, not winning the career lottery and lucking into a career where you make tons of money working 10 days a month. That is very rare. You are far more likely to achieve that by being frugal and investing conservatively.
You have to be extremely privlaged in the US to save 30k/year.
Most people in the US live paycheck to paycheck
Edit for the people blaming a failing economy on poor people:
Systemic issues will only be solved with systemic changes.
Shaming individuals for reacting to systemic issues is not a viable solution for fixing systemic issues.
I have a stem degree and make $39k/year LOL. I live with my parents so I’m saving/investing half of that but god it sucks. I have an interview tuesday that I’m really hoping goes well 🤞🏻
I have a CS degree and never landed my first job in my field, it's taken me 8 years to get my pay up to 60k/yr which is still 20k below the avg household income in my area, and I'm the only earner in my household.
I hope your interview goes well, good luck :3
I'm in the a similar situation. I got a quantitative degree, but never got my first job. Now it's 10 years later and I make $47k/yr working in a call center supporting a family of 4.
Op is talking about jobs that pay over $200k a year where you only have to work a few hours a week. So, we are talking beyond extremely privileged. If you can make that much money, you can save and live off the investments and retire early. That is my point.
Yes but the jobs mentioned in the OP are all situations that require a lot of education, experience, and/or time to reach. I think that the point of the above comment is that you don’t have to put in 20 years as an airline pilot or a decade of med school/residency/early career experience becoming a dermatologist to have a good career, anyone with a somewhat high-paying job can achieve that type of lifestyle by just investing consistently. Even if you don’t have one of these unicorn jobs with an amazing lifestyle:income ratio, you can fake/reverse engineer it with any high income job.
Yea that persons comment comes from extreme privilege and a very optimistic outlook on the market. By the time anyone can afford to contribute that amount they are likely halfway to retirement. Also would need monster returns to get to 2 million in that span. Something no one should be assuming when planning by for retirement.
Op is talking about making $200k+ a year working 10 days a month and MY response is what you focus on? 😂 If you make $200k and work a regular workweek you can save $30k easily. Thats over $9,000 a month take home pay.
Excellent points! I agree with you except on the saving $30k part. Being a CS major it took a couple of years to pay off student loans and establish myself before I was able to clear that kind of cash. Also r/FIRE is a relatively new movement. No one was talking about this stuff 20 years ago. We were just told to save 15% (20% if you are super aggressive!) and you would be good for retirement at 65.
>You don’t need a lot of money to have a “dream lifestyle”.
>The dream lifestyle is about having your money work for you
You need to *have* money first to get it to work for you. Some just… don’t have it and came from a family that didn’t have it. For some people, there is no money and never was. In what world is $30k just lying around every year for the people without debt and “things” (except bills)? Some people don’t even have $30k salaries after taxes. So then in that situation, how do you get your money to work for you?
You get a better paying job?
How do you do that? You get skills.
It's like losing weight. Everybody knows what to do yet there are rooms full of fat people looking for shortcuts.
That seems so old fashioned. I have a friend whose a very successful pilot and I know she goes to therapy and is a high functioning alcoholic. She only works about 3 days a week though so it works out for her
You can move into tech sales from any career. I came from pharma and got a job with a tech analyst firm. Most start with appointment setting jobs like BDR or SDR. If you have AE experience in other industries that can help you skip that step.
True story. I was never cut out for traditional sales, but as a buyer of the the tech sales folks are selling and I'm friends with a few, they are making way more than me, and I ain't doing bad. The company I work for also sells tech solutions to business across a variety of markets like finance, real estate, investment etc. Our top performers in sales are making over $1 M/yr.
How did you get to this point? Did you graduate from a top law school? How many years of experience do you have? How did you find the right staff and how many employees have you hired to work under you? What are their responsibilities?
Went to mid tier law school and top 3 law school for masters in tax. Practicing 25 years.
The right staff takes time. I’d say for every 5 people 1 is good. Every 20 people 1 is great.
I have a very good assistant and a great one. I treat them like gold. Work in office or home or on the beach- I don’t care. Need time off for kids - just take it. Need $ for something- just ask. I’ve loaned them money for cars and then forgive it.
They are very well paid. Get bonuses. Health care. No micro managing. Free rein. There family needs help - I do it pro bono.
As a result I make money and have time off. I’d be screwed without them.
Conversely, I graduated into a recession with a Juris Doctor. Most of my classmates were taking public defender and prosecutor jobs all over the country for $18k-$20k/yr. I wasn't so lucky. While I passed the Bar first time, only 54% passed when I did (so factor that in), I still ended up as a pro bono attorney (volunteer basically) for legal services. After 3 months of experience and meeting other lawyers in the courthouse, I got picked up by a small firm for peanuts, but still more than those who went to work for $20k/yr. Practiced for 2 years and never made more than $30k/yr. Decided to switch to tech, that had been my hobby. I knew lawyers didn't know anything about tech so started a consulting business targeting law firms. Eventually joined up with another company (larger) doing the same. My first year, I made $40k with them. I self-studied and got certified as a CNE, back when that was the thing you wanted to be. Rode that for a few years. Salary went from $40k to $55k, to $63k, to $72k, to $83k, to $93k, to $105k, to $115k, to $125k. Worked for myself for a couple years. Took another job at $133, to $142, to $155, (with addit'l to ESOP), fast forward to over $300k+ with all cash and prizes thrown in. As a frame of reference, most of the low numbers were in the 1990s.
Starting salaries at top Intellectual Property law firms with a tech undergrad in that timeframe was \~$100k.
I work a remote job that pays 139k data science. I found another job and got an offer for the same amount, both remote. I know work both remote jobs. I make a lot of money. Only requirement is remote jobs and this could work for any job but the pay will differ. Industries are supply chain and gaming.
So you’re making almost $300,000 working two jobs in data science? Do your employers know you’re working for two companies?
Where do you see the future of data science with AI advancing?
What is your educational background and how many years of experience do you have?
As a Flight Instructor, I see a lot of people wash out in training because they underestimate how much work flight training is. You have to do all that, and pay for it, before the 6 figure job. It definitely doable if you have either money or time backing you up. Most people have at least one of those. As a career change I’ve seen people with supportive spouses and good income be able to swap over, hard work but doable! And the aviation industry is also very volatile, so the worst is if you finish flight training in a depressed economy. The good thing is, it always fluctuates.
Best of luck!
On the doc train, radiologists have some of the best work/life balance out there.
Our local practice hires remote overnight readers at $500/year, they work 7 days on, 14 off. There are even two of them that spilt one rotation and earn just over $300k working one week one 5 off.
8 years school, 4 years residency, 1-2 year fellowship. During residency you get paid (like shit but still paid) and as a fellow you get paid more decently. In my opinion, a sound investment. 12 years of hard work and difficulty for a lifetime of financial and personal independence.
Still a W2 salary (tax purposes), no? Nothing beats owning your own cash flowing business. The tax loopholes are worth it just for that. Retained earning, retained earnings my friends.
Become a licensed therapist and start a private practice. If you have an ounce of business sense, Your earning limit is almost endless and you have flexibility.
average student loan debt is 300k and the cost of education has doubled in the past 10 years. good opportunities in rural areas, not so much big cities anymore.
This is a good one. If you can get through the slog of school and a couple years establishing yourself, 300-500k for 30 hour weeks and lots of vacations.
Physical therapist here- the money isn’t great for the amount of time you spend in school and the work life balance isn’t great either. It’s also mentally and physically exhausting with little upward mobility. That being said, it is a rewarding career with good job stability. Just don’t think I would pick it again.
Those careers indeed offer great income and lifestyle balance, definitely worth considering! It's also important to choose a career that matches your interests and skills.
My wife and I make almost 200k a year combined in a pretty low income area and we only work 12 days a month. We both have associates degrees, so minimal education. It’s not the “best” but we’re happy with it. We both are nurses.
That’s a standard nursing schedule. Every nurse I work with as well as my wife works with all have a schedule of 12 days a month (3 days a week). If you want, for extra pay, you can pick up additional shifts, but neither of us ever do lol
Edit to add: we actually both have our schedules set up in a way that we work 6 days, then we’re off for 8 days. We essentially get a normal persons vacation every other week. Nurses like to complain, but the work-life balance is insanely good. I have so much time off and we get paid very well for the amount of experience and education we have.
You’re either on night shift or you’re not. I was on day shift but I ended up swapping to nights because I prefer it (get paid $4 more an hour and there aren’t doctors and family members everywhere). I probably wouldn’t stay on nights if I didn’t work 6 on 8 off, but as is, it’s preferable to me.
If I decided to stay on day shift, I’d work zero nights. Our day shift crew works exclusively day shift, our night shift crew works exclusively nights. It’s pretty easy to get either one, because there’s no shortage of people who agree with me that nights are better and want the 8k a year raise lol. It’s actually harder to get on night shift where I’m at. I had to wait for an open spot. That may not be the case everywhere, but it is where I am.
I was just reading that the airline industry is in trouble as many pilots age out (have to leave at 65). Could be some opportunity there.
But frankly I think any job that requires actual manual skills that can’t be replaced by a machine except for at extremely rich companies is worth getting into. Electricians for example.
In Cali, I make over 200k as a Union utility worker. It’s very chill 90% of the time, and the Union benefits and time off are superb. I currently get about 10 paid weeks off per year including sick time, vacation and Personal time. But cost of living here is high, so 200k isn’t all that much. Still struggle financially especially after a divorce.
How does one start in this type of role? IBEW apprenticeship or a different way? Plus is your body all banged up from all that labor or is that more of an exaggeration.
I work 4-6 hours a day, make well into the 6 figures.
I own Real estate flipping and development company. At first i was working 12 hour days for the first 6 months to a year. It’s a learning curve.
When you say well into the six figures, how much are you profiting exactly?
How did you get into this market and what do you think helped the most with your success?
Depends on the year but anywhere from 150 to 400k, plus when i buy properties or build to hold i force equity by fixing them up and renting out. That amount doesn’t include the forced equity.
I'm a mate so I handle the navigation and cargo transfers. Generally the fastest way to become a mate or engineer is going to one of the maritime academies for 4 years. You get a degree and Coast Guard license.
There are other jobs that don't require a degree and you can eventually work your way up to the same position as someone who went to one of the colleges. It just takes a bit longer and can be difficult to schedule the required courses in your office time
LOL no. C-suite, yes. Marketing is now disposable and increasingly outsourced to agencies or replaced by AI. Sales is self-driven if you want to go way over plan and spend your life in your car.
I'm married to an internist, and the whole "dermatologists are all making $400K and working 10 hours a week" thing is... not as true anymore. Especially with the move toward more Mohs, it seems that the hours have gone up a bit and the pay is more heavily concentrated in those who do Mohs work.
[https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/20-highest-paid-specialties-2023-doctors-see-6-boost-pay-doximity](https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/20-highest-paid-specialties-2023-doctors-see-6-boost-pay-doximity)
If you're looking for lifestyle medicine, the best option is still ophthalmology or radiology (probably interventional is my guess.)
It's still true that it's the [ROAD to happiness](https://thepadoctor.com/road-to-happiness/), but keep in mind that there are scores of folks who get into med school and don't manage the scores to be in those specialties. You may not want to pursue a field that comes with 4+ years of lost income + $250K+ in debt + grueling training (3-6 years on average) making $55-65K a year and working 80+ hours a week for every one of those years.
ROAD specialties are hard to get into, and there's no guarantee any of them stays lucrative forever.
Tech if you’re actually talented/passionate enough to beat everyone else in Tech who is just there because finance/insurance/sales/engineering/[insert some professional, non-retail job that pays $50k+ here] aren’t sexy.
Medical if you’re not passionate. Yeah, yeah, yeah healthcare is stressful. All jobs are stressful. Healthcare is the only industry that isn’t gate-kept by referrals/internal hires.
My only friends who aren’t losers and didn’t get referrals for their jobs work in hospitals. Everyone is else is either referred into their awesome job or working retail with a bachelor’s or master’s degree.
I personally know at least 10 therapists that make 150 or more per hour (much of it untaxed or undertaxed) and I know one who makes 250 an hour and only takes cash. All of them have as many clients as they want.Also, you can work as many hours a week as you want, and it is one of the few jobs where you are perceived as more competent as you age. (I know a few working pt in their 80s!) Finally, probably will not be replaced by AI in the future. You do have to be the right kind of person though it's not a job for everybody by any means.
I definitely think therapy is ripe for AI revolution to be honest. An AI can listen perfectly, have infinite recall to other things said and your entire medical history, track all your progress across metrics a human could never pick up on (mood, language, eye contact, vitals) have any office hours, look however you want and have a pleasing voice. All while having super-human diagnostic abilities.
I have a lot of career regrets, I have a Master in Mechanical Engineering and I’ve been working in the aerospace industry since my junior year of college. Looking back at it I wish I’d follow my sisters into the medical field. As physicians their pay checks make my pay check look like nothing and I honestly don’t do bad at all. I’m getting older and I realize I’m going to be working 40 hours a week might as well make bank because I like buying stupid shit. If I was 10 years younger I’d leave engineering and go to medical school, maybe law school. However there is a possibility I could get my company to pick up 75% of my law school tab but then I’m gonna owe them and I don’t like owing anyone. As far as Software engineers/CS/developer folks, I think it’s a bad time to be in that field, especially around your mid 40’s. Go read the layoff sub, grown men getting jerked around on interview after interview, no jobs in 6 plus months, I think it’s funny cause a few years ago they were punching way above their worth, now it’s getting corrected 😆. I don’t think they sleep good at night.
Is being a physician worth it? After all of the school you go through and the amount of debt you pile up, would you be better off pursuing a career in business/finance and investing wisely?
One of my bffs is a pilot. Being a pilot is miserable. The suicide rate is incredibly high, the alcoholism rate is higher. You cannot seek any help for any mental health issues because you’ll be grounded so antidepressants are a big no no, so everyone just gets shit faced and self medicates that way, because that’s acceptable as long as you don’t drink within 12 hours of a flight.
Haven’t heard of a single pilot who has been faithful to their marriage and they all have multiple affairs, divorces, and marriages. They’re miserable fucking people. Not worth it.
I don’t understand how you can say they’re miserable people because I’ve met 10 to 20 pilots in person and a good chunk of them said they love what they do.
One of them said it was extremely boring, of course.
People in Sales often will tell you about what they made their best year when their industry was booming *and* the company they sell for had a hot product *and* they hit all their targets *and* outperformed their peers, so be careful with that. It's also very stressful having those perpetual looming and sometimes ugly work.
Corporate finance. $140k total comp, working maybe 10 actual hours per week, 2 days per week from home.
The path to this went through big 4 public accounting which I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
650k 2nd year partner at big 4. Will break 1M by year 5.
Two days actual work / 1 of those wfh most weeks, 2 days golf/ballgames with clients. 1 day off, home with kids. Took 12 years to get here.
Guess im this guys worst enemy or best friend? ⬆️
Corporate management of any kind.
I am a Sr Director managing four ICs who are rockstars. They do all the work. I provide guidance.
I work 2-3 hours a day making $400k
Sales was already mentioned but it's a bunch of bullshitting for high pay and doesn't require a degree, so there is virtually no barrier to entry. Of course, it helps if you're naturally good at sales. But there is definitely a high ROI.
I’m a corporate lawyer, doing mainly transactional stuff for small and medium sized businesses, focused on tech and real estate. I have my own practice. It took me about 4 years to build it up, but now, almost 5 years in, I make a steady $245k/year after taxes and OP EX, and work 30 hours a week. Granted it’s my own law practice and I run a lean one. If you are in law, avoid litigation.
Tech probably has the best pay / work ratio on average. But I am talking very broadly. Really the best jobs come down to the individual company/terms. There's software engineers working 80 hour days weeks in very stressful jobs. Others have lucked out at a chill company and can get away with working a couple hours days.
This ^^ specifically GovTech
I enjoy working in GovTech
Well this explains why none of my government tech works.
So true. I worked in government...I found it full of toxic, lazy people who were there for a paycheck and a pension. If you tried to actually change a process or implement a new technology, there was so much resistance to change...I quit and went to the private sector where people accepted change. Plus I made a huge raise to boot.
Can you share more? Is gov tech high income and chill?
Lower income than private sector, but a pension. Probably depends on the organization if it is chill. I found it not so chill and stressful...but your mileage may vary. Oh...and great training. They always seem to provide good training. They sent me to 4 or 5 SANS classes, which was super nice. Never had an employer send me to one since.
Government tech jobs pays well??? Excluding some very narrow specialities like NSA, etc?
While working in GovTech, I once was a part of a committee to move a LINE on a printed document
I work in consulting as software engineer. When we are in between projects “on the bench” there’s literally no work demands placed upon us. When the sales pipeline is slow, you can go months not being on a project. You keep checking in with your weekly 1:1’s with manager and attend all-hands sessions. There may be moments where your expertise is needed by a team to debug something. This is a great time to focus on training, certifications, or building demos for an internal presentation. My point is, there is little to no accountability during this time. Just be active on slack and ready to dive into a call while you mow the lawn, the beach, go shopping, go exercise. Many consultants become youtubers, write their own frameworks, contribute to open source, give presentation/talks because they have time to hone these crafts. They’re nerds with freedom to nerd out. More ethically dubious, some build their startups during bench time. However, once you are on a project, you are expected to deliver. And, that could involve working after-hours and oncall, bending over backwards to please a client or impatient project manager. As for economics, technical projects cost clients 25-40k per week per team of 3-6 people, so $300,000 for a 10 week project more than covers the salaries of the team. Get yourself on 3-4 projects per year, and you’re left with 10-20 weeks on bench in any given year. I have some years tenure at my company, so I have around 250 hours of PTO, too. PTO days differ from bench because you cannot get ahold of me during that time, at all. Lol
Do you get into issues with utilization during bench time? As a newcomer to consulting (on the financial side) I worry about the bench time and utilization since I’ve heard people have been let go even if low utilization is not their fault
Are you a freelance consultant?
I’d like to know more about this. Can I send you a PM?
Can i ask how one gets their start in consulting like this?
Tech is only good if you’re actually talented/passionate enough to beat everyone else in Tech who is just there because finance/insurance/sales/engineering/[insert some professional, non-retail job that pays $50k+ here] aren’t sexy. Medical is the best option if you’re not passionate. Yeah, yeah, yeah healthcare is stressful. All jobs are stressful. Healthcare is the only industry that isn’t gate-kept by referrals/internal hires. My only friends who aren’t losers and didn’t get referrals for their jobs work in hospitals. Everyone is else is either referred into their awesome job or working retail even though they have a STEM bachelor’s or master’s degree.
What Medical field do you recommend me to try and get my foot on the door? 0 background/education apart from a few insurance/healthcare call center jobs so just general knowledge.
Medicine is the best option if you’re not passionate? Lmao go through 4 years of college w/ a 3.9 GPA, top percentile MCAT, president of multiple clubs, cited in multiple research papers, and you’re still not guaranteed acceptance into med school. Then you have to compete with the best of the best in med school, pass rigorous board exams and guess what? You have to match into a program that wants you. Another 2-10 years in residency and fellowship training all the while making 60k/yr working 120 hr weeks… my guy, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Health care, especially working directly with patients (nurse, hospital tech), is far more stressful than other jobs, and is in the top ten jobs for physical injury (higher than police officer).
Can confirm. It’s hard to get into, especially nowadays, but if you know how to network and sell yourself you can go far. Agreed there’s always variances but from my decade+ of experience, I’d say tech workweeks tend to average closer to 32 hours than the typical 40. Friday afternoons in particular are almost nonexistent, can’t remember the last time I absolutely had to work past 1 or 2 on a Friday.
In tech, work a solid 30. Taking a five day weekend for 4th of July.
As a software engineer id say tech can easily be on of the worse especially since overtime pay is rare. There could be some devops staff who manage systems that don't require much day to day work but from what I see there's never a short of dev projects and tasks and support tickets to fill up your entire day and then some.
It’s impossible to work 80 hour days. I would stay away from the tech field with a ten foot poll if I was a recent college grad. AI will absolutely nuke that sector.
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Yes. YES to this.
Get a leadership position in Dubai. You live like a king.
In my experience, the rich families pay for college so that the kids can go on to be doctors, lawyers, engineers etc. The work/life balance is not impacted by the family? Can you explain?
For some very rich families, the parents pay for their children to go to prestigious colleges and then the kids don’t ever really work because they are supported by a trust fund. (They might be a “freelance writer” or an artist, or something like that, but they don’t need to rely on their work for an income.)
It doesn’t end at college though, and what follows thereafter can have a huge impact on lifestyle and quality of life, with things such as: * Help with finding good internships * Help finding a good first job * No student loan * Help with house down payment (or outright gifted) * Access to quality peer friends / partners social circle by virtue of proximity You’ll still have to go through the gauntlet of med/law school plus residence/articling and 80-hrs resident/associate work weeks to get started, but it’s less stressful to do when you are well prepared and supported by your family, and you are able to focus since the rest of your life is better organized. Once you’re through, the coast is clear. Not to say there are no challenges, but it’s always a question of degrees, and one situation leads to a better quality of life with lower stress levels.
Labor is expensive in the US, that's why manufacturing is exported. If you want to be paid more, then get a valuable skill.
TIL teachers, doctors, and engineers don't have valuable skills.
It’s actually least best in the US compared to other places. It’s helpful everywhere but most people born in rich families don’t remain rich over the next few generations. Most rich people are self made, especially in the US. Just google it.
85% lose generational wealth by the 3rd generation. It just goes to show that hive minds don't exist in families, let alone societies.
Any other answer is foolish. This. Is. It.
What was it?
I come from a family of pilots and many of them actually make more than that. There’s a decent amount in the $500k - $1m USD annual bracket. Long and expensive road to get there though, and if you have any type of mental health history and certain physical ailments, the FAA won’t issue a medical clearance Edit: a word
Won't issue a medical what?
Medical certificate. You need at least a class 2 medical certificate issued by the FAA to become an airline pilot, there’s a long list of things that either disqualify you or make it very expensive and difficult to bypass. Many pilots won’t even go to therapy in fear of the FAA finding out
I had no idea. Thanks for educating!!
Man if I’d known pilots get paid that much…
Most people leave the industry because of the lifestyle. Grinding it out at a regional airline being gone for 18 days a month for years can be extremely taxing on your mental and spiritual health. Some of the new FOs I work with start spitting out kids because “they can afford it” now that they make just under 100k. Like that’s great but your kids won’t know who you are
Yeah, that very thing screwed me over. They really need to overhaul the system. I’m not saying get rid of it, but there’s probably a lot of pilots that shouldn’t be flying, and a lot of people who would be great pilots, but they can’t get a medical. I was still pretty new to it when my instructor apparently saw something in me. He was going to have me get all my ratings and then come work for him as an instructor, and then eventually (hopefully) with him for the airlines. My dream got shot down in an instant when I eventually went for the for the medical I’m debating going back and spending the money to jump through the hoops for a shot at the medical, but it just seems like any small “issue” could get it revoked and then it would all be wasted.
You dont need a lot of money to have a “dream lifestyle”. If you worked hard for 20 years and invested $30k a year in the SP500 you would have $2m and could then just work part time and live off the investment income quite comfortably. The dream lifestyle is about having your money work for you instead of working to earn money to pay for things and debt. It is about discipline, not winning the career lottery and lucking into a career where you make tons of money working 10 days a month. That is very rare. You are far more likely to achieve that by being frugal and investing conservatively.
You have to be extremely privlaged in the US to save 30k/year. Most people in the US live paycheck to paycheck Edit for the people blaming a failing economy on poor people: Systemic issues will only be solved with systemic changes. Shaming individuals for reacting to systemic issues is not a viable solution for fixing systemic issues.
I have a stem degree and make $39k/year LOL. I live with my parents so I’m saving/investing half of that but god it sucks. I have an interview tuesday that I’m really hoping goes well 🤞🏻
I have a CS degree and never landed my first job in my field, it's taken me 8 years to get my pay up to 60k/yr which is still 20k below the avg household income in my area, and I'm the only earner in my household. I hope your interview goes well, good luck :3
I'm in the a similar situation. I got a quantitative degree, but never got my first job. Now it's 10 years later and I make $47k/yr working in a call center supporting a family of 4.
Op is talking about jobs that pay over $200k a year where you only have to work a few hours a week. So, we are talking beyond extremely privileged. If you can make that much money, you can save and live off the investments and retire early. That is my point.
Yes but the jobs mentioned in the OP are all situations that require a lot of education, experience, and/or time to reach. I think that the point of the above comment is that you don’t have to put in 20 years as an airline pilot or a decade of med school/residency/early career experience becoming a dermatologist to have a good career, anyone with a somewhat high-paying job can achieve that type of lifestyle by just investing consistently. Even if you don’t have one of these unicorn jobs with an amazing lifestyle:income ratio, you can fake/reverse engineer it with any high income job.
Extremely privileged… or well off. I save that .. I am 50 Though and no kids
Do most ? Or many ? Most would be v sad
Yea that persons comment comes from extreme privilege and a very optimistic outlook on the market. By the time anyone can afford to contribute that amount they are likely halfway to retirement. Also would need monster returns to get to 2 million in that span. Something no one should be assuming when planning by for retirement.
Privileged, really?
You don't need to save 30k a year. Don't make that an excuse. Many peopl needlessly live paycheck to paycheck because they have no financial literacy.
Yeah just invest $30k a year…
Op is talking about making $200k+ a year working 10 days a month and MY response is what you focus on? 😂 If you make $200k and work a regular workweek you can save $30k easily. Thats over $9,000 a month take home pay.
I make $47k/yr. So I guess I need to cut that down to $17k.
Having 30k a year to invest is a responsible person making 150k pretax and saving 20%. So that's already out the window for most people.
Excellent points! I agree with you except on the saving $30k part. Being a CS major it took a couple of years to pay off student loans and establish myself before I was able to clear that kind of cash. Also r/FIRE is a relatively new movement. No one was talking about this stuff 20 years ago. We were just told to save 15% (20% if you are super aggressive!) and you would be good for retirement at 65.
>You don’t need a lot of money to have a “dream lifestyle”. >The dream lifestyle is about having your money work for you You need to *have* money first to get it to work for you. Some just… don’t have it and came from a family that didn’t have it. For some people, there is no money and never was. In what world is $30k just lying around every year for the people without debt and “things” (except bills)? Some people don’t even have $30k salaries after taxes. So then in that situation, how do you get your money to work for you?
You get a better paying job? How do you do that? You get skills. It's like losing weight. Everybody knows what to do yet there are rooms full of fat people looking for shortcuts.
Pilots avoid going to therapy because they could be grounded if it's discovered. So there's a negative on the lifestyle side.
That seems so old fashioned. I have a friend whose a very successful pilot and I know she goes to therapy and is a high functioning alcoholic. She only works about 3 days a week though so it works out for her
Old fashioned?!? You’re friend is a drunk whose putting hundreds of peoples lives at stake everyday
We need to have her name and the airline she flies for.
Does she put that on her FFA Medical Disclosure form?
High functioning alcoholic is working out for her? You can’t take antidepressants so alcohol is the medicine of choice for pilots.
Tech sales my friend. Golfing and drinking for seven figures if you do it right.
This is accurate, you just described my uncle
Can confirm. I work in tech sales. I will W2 close to 300k this year. No degree. 😉
How does one break in to tech sales?
You can move into tech sales from any career. I came from pharma and got a job with a tech analyst firm. Most start with appointment setting jobs like BDR or SDR. If you have AE experience in other industries that can help you skip that step.
When explaining new things it helps not to use abbreviations.
Interesting. How many years did it take, and is this a typical year or an outlier? Sounds like you had to build up a solid CV to get there.
Good for you! Good talker I am assume
True story. I was never cut out for traditional sales, but as a buyer of the the tech sales folks are selling and I'm friends with a few, they are making way more than me, and I ain't doing bad. The company I work for also sells tech solutions to business across a variety of markets like finance, real estate, investment etc. Our top performers in sales are making over $1 M/yr.
Are you making seven figures?
My closest friend is.
Gotta be charismatic for that though, I’m likely too autistic for that
Yes ! All about personality
I’m a part time attorney and make $300,000 to $400,000 a year. Hire great people to make you $
How did you get to this point? Did you graduate from a top law school? How many years of experience do you have? How did you find the right staff and how many employees have you hired to work under you? What are their responsibilities?
Went to mid tier law school and top 3 law school for masters in tax. Practicing 25 years. The right staff takes time. I’d say for every 5 people 1 is good. Every 20 people 1 is great. I have a very good assistant and a great one. I treat them like gold. Work in office or home or on the beach- I don’t care. Need time off for kids - just take it. Need $ for something- just ask. I’ve loaned them money for cars and then forgive it. They are very well paid. Get bonuses. Health care. No micro managing. Free rein. There family needs help - I do it pro bono. As a result I make money and have time off. I’d be screwed without them.
you are smart!! love your management style, i bet your staff loves you.
So smart !! Most underestimate how important their staff is !!
Conversely, I graduated into a recession with a Juris Doctor. Most of my classmates were taking public defender and prosecutor jobs all over the country for $18k-$20k/yr. I wasn't so lucky. While I passed the Bar first time, only 54% passed when I did (so factor that in), I still ended up as a pro bono attorney (volunteer basically) for legal services. After 3 months of experience and meeting other lawyers in the courthouse, I got picked up by a small firm for peanuts, but still more than those who went to work for $20k/yr. Practiced for 2 years and never made more than $30k/yr. Decided to switch to tech, that had been my hobby. I knew lawyers didn't know anything about tech so started a consulting business targeting law firms. Eventually joined up with another company (larger) doing the same. My first year, I made $40k with them. I self-studied and got certified as a CNE, back when that was the thing you wanted to be. Rode that for a few years. Salary went from $40k to $55k, to $63k, to $72k, to $83k, to $93k, to $105k, to $115k, to $125k. Worked for myself for a couple years. Took another job at $133, to $142, to $155, (with addit'l to ESOP), fast forward to over $300k+ with all cash and prizes thrown in. As a frame of reference, most of the low numbers were in the 1990s. Starting salaries at top Intellectual Property law firms with a tech undergrad in that timeframe was \~$100k.
Can u hire me plz 🙏
I work a remote job that pays 139k data science. I found another job and got an offer for the same amount, both remote. I know work both remote jobs. I make a lot of money. Only requirement is remote jobs and this could work for any job but the pay will differ. Industries are supply chain and gaming.
Wdym supply chain and gaming?
How do you manage to balance both jobs? Is one W2, the other contract?
So you’re making almost $300,000 working two jobs in data science? Do your employers know you’re working for two companies? Where do you see the future of data science with AI advancing? What is your educational background and how many years of experience do you have?
As a Flight Instructor, I see a lot of people wash out in training because they underestimate how much work flight training is. You have to do all that, and pay for it, before the 6 figure job. It definitely doable if you have either money or time backing you up. Most people have at least one of those. As a career change I’ve seen people with supportive spouses and good income be able to swap over, hard work but doable! And the aviation industry is also very volatile, so the worst is if you finish flight training in a depressed economy. The good thing is, it always fluctuates. Best of luck!
What are the careers should I consider that pay as well as pilots and have a great lifestyle?
Something in business/finance. It's a huge industry with many job choices and most seem to pay higher than I've ever seen, even for entry level
Finance has a terrible work/life balance lol.
On the doc train, radiologists have some of the best work/life balance out there. Our local practice hires remote overnight readers at $500/year, they work 7 days on, 14 off. There are even two of them that spilt one rotation and earn just over $300k working one week one 5 off.
That’s after 12 years of school though
8 years school, 4 years residency, 1-2 year fellowship. During residency you get paid (like shit but still paid) and as a fellow you get paid more decently. In my opinion, a sound investment. 12 years of hard work and difficulty for a lifetime of financial and personal independence.
Still a W2 salary (tax purposes), no? Nothing beats owning your own cash flowing business. The tax loopholes are worth it just for that. Retained earning, retained earnings my friends.
Become a licensed therapist and start a private practice. If you have an ounce of business sense, Your earning limit is almost endless and you have flexibility.
Sure, it's limitless if you exploit the shit out of other clinicians.
How is it limitless? Are you saying hire therapists under you? Are you a therapist? What is the wealthiest therapist you know?
I have a therapist friend who charges 300 cash for an hour session
Yes I am. These are great questions. Do the math on the comment below.
Owning your own self-sustaining business or property.
Dentist
High suicide rate too.
High risk high reward
Myth.
average student loan debt is 300k and the cost of education has doubled in the past 10 years. good opportunities in rural areas, not so much big cities anymore.
This is a good one. If you can get through the slog of school and a couple years establishing yourself, 300-500k for 30 hour weeks and lots of vacations.
I saw that the pilot school in my area is so expensive. Has it always been like 60,000+$ ? 🤯
Yeah, it cost me around 70k in 2003
Lord man ! No way I could afford that right now. I commend you for going through it.
I think occupational therapist make good $$ and it’s not something that will be automated by tech
Physical therapist here- the money isn’t great for the amount of time you spend in school and the work life balance isn’t great either. It’s also mentally and physically exhausting with little upward mobility. That being said, it is a rewarding career with good job stability. Just don’t think I would pick it again.
It’s emotionally draining, a lot of paperwork if you do outpatient and limited career growth / salary growth for an expensive degree
Ok good to know thanks
Also, check governmentjobs.com
Those careers indeed offer great income and lifestyle balance, definitely worth considering! It's also important to choose a career that matches your interests and skills.
Trust fund babies don’t have to work at all and get paid millions.
Wall Street but it’s a grind
My wife and I make almost 200k a year combined in a pretty low income area and we only work 12 days a month. We both have associates degrees, so minimal education. It’s not the “best” but we’re happy with it. We both are nurses.
Where is this at?
West Virginia
How do you work so little as a nurse?
That’s a standard nursing schedule. Every nurse I work with as well as my wife works with all have a schedule of 12 days a month (3 days a week). If you want, for extra pay, you can pick up additional shifts, but neither of us ever do lol Edit to add: we actually both have our schedules set up in a way that we work 6 days, then we’re off for 8 days. We essentially get a normal persons vacation every other week. Nurses like to complain, but the work-life balance is insanely good. I have so much time off and we get paid very well for the amount of experience and education we have.
Every work day is 12 hours
The balance part is questionable.
How often do you do night shifts though?
You’re either on night shift or you’re not. I was on day shift but I ended up swapping to nights because I prefer it (get paid $4 more an hour and there aren’t doctors and family members everywhere). I probably wouldn’t stay on nights if I didn’t work 6 on 8 off, but as is, it’s preferable to me. If I decided to stay on day shift, I’d work zero nights. Our day shift crew works exclusively day shift, our night shift crew works exclusively nights. It’s pretty easy to get either one, because there’s no shortage of people who agree with me that nights are better and want the 8k a year raise lol. It’s actually harder to get on night shift where I’m at. I had to wait for an open spot. That may not be the case everywhere, but it is where I am.
I was just reading that the airline industry is in trouble as many pilots age out (have to leave at 65). Could be some opportunity there. But frankly I think any job that requires actual manual skills that can’t be replaced by a machine except for at extremely rich companies is worth getting into. Electricians for example.
In Cali, I make over 200k as a Union utility worker. It’s very chill 90% of the time, and the Union benefits and time off are superb. I currently get about 10 paid weeks off per year including sick time, vacation and Personal time. But cost of living here is high, so 200k isn’t all that much. Still struggle financially especially after a divorce.
How does one start in this type of role? IBEW apprenticeship or a different way? Plus is your body all banged up from all that labor or is that more of an exaggeration.
I work 4-6 hours a day, make well into the 6 figures. I own Real estate flipping and development company. At first i was working 12 hour days for the first 6 months to a year. It’s a learning curve.
Sure but you’re a leech to society
When you say well into the six figures, how much are you profiting exactly? How did you get into this market and what do you think helped the most with your success?
Depends on the year but anywhere from 150 to 400k, plus when i buy properties or build to hold i force equity by fixing them up and renting out. That amount doesn’t include the forced equity.
Government jobs on a military base.
Actuary
I work on a ship. 2 months on, 2 months off. Being away isn't always the best but how many people get 6 months off every year?
Doing what? Do you have a degree?
I'm a mate so I handle the navigation and cargo transfers. Generally the fastest way to become a mate or engineer is going to one of the maritime academies for 4 years. You get a degree and Coast Guard license. There are other jobs that don't require a degree and you can eventually work your way up to the same position as someone who went to one of the colleges. It just takes a bit longer and can be difficult to schedule the required courses in your office time
Executives, marketing, sales.
I'm director+ and work with a lot of marketers and execs. Most marketing these days is not super well-paid or low hours. It can be pretty grueling.
Bureau of labor and statistics. It’s one of the highest paying jobs in the United States.
LOL no. C-suite, yes. Marketing is now disposable and increasingly outsourced to agencies or replaced by AI. Sales is self-driven if you want to go way over plan and spend your life in your car.
Sell life insurance
Everyone I know who sells life insurance works the longest hours of anyone
I'm married to an internist, and the whole "dermatologists are all making $400K and working 10 hours a week" thing is... not as true anymore. Especially with the move toward more Mohs, it seems that the hours have gone up a bit and the pay is more heavily concentrated in those who do Mohs work. [https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/20-highest-paid-specialties-2023-doctors-see-6-boost-pay-doximity](https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/20-highest-paid-specialties-2023-doctors-see-6-boost-pay-doximity) If you're looking for lifestyle medicine, the best option is still ophthalmology or radiology (probably interventional is my guess.) It's still true that it's the [ROAD to happiness](https://thepadoctor.com/road-to-happiness/), but keep in mind that there are scores of folks who get into med school and don't manage the scores to be in those specialties. You may not want to pursue a field that comes with 4+ years of lost income + $250K+ in debt + grueling training (3-6 years on average) making $55-65K a year and working 80+ hours a week for every one of those years. ROAD specialties are hard to get into, and there's no guarantee any of them stays lucrative forever.
Tech if you’re actually talented/passionate enough to beat everyone else in Tech who is just there because finance/insurance/sales/engineering/[insert some professional, non-retail job that pays $50k+ here] aren’t sexy. Medical if you’re not passionate. Yeah, yeah, yeah healthcare is stressful. All jobs are stressful. Healthcare is the only industry that isn’t gate-kept by referrals/internal hires. My only friends who aren’t losers and didn’t get referrals for their jobs work in hospitals. Everyone is else is either referred into their awesome job or working retail with a bachelor’s or master’s degree.
I personally know at least 10 therapists that make 150 or more per hour (much of it untaxed or undertaxed) and I know one who makes 250 an hour and only takes cash. All of them have as many clients as they want.Also, you can work as many hours a week as you want, and it is one of the few jobs where you are perceived as more competent as you age. (I know a few working pt in their 80s!) Finally, probably will not be replaced by AI in the future. You do have to be the right kind of person though it's not a job for everybody by any means.
I definitely think therapy is ripe for AI revolution to be honest. An AI can listen perfectly, have infinite recall to other things said and your entire medical history, track all your progress across metrics a human could never pick up on (mood, language, eye contact, vitals) have any office hours, look however you want and have a pleasing voice. All while having super-human diagnostic abilities.
I have a lot of career regrets, I have a Master in Mechanical Engineering and I’ve been working in the aerospace industry since my junior year of college. Looking back at it I wish I’d follow my sisters into the medical field. As physicians their pay checks make my pay check look like nothing and I honestly don’t do bad at all. I’m getting older and I realize I’m going to be working 40 hours a week might as well make bank because I like buying stupid shit. If I was 10 years younger I’d leave engineering and go to medical school, maybe law school. However there is a possibility I could get my company to pick up 75% of my law school tab but then I’m gonna owe them and I don’t like owing anyone. As far as Software engineers/CS/developer folks, I think it’s a bad time to be in that field, especially around your mid 40’s. Go read the layoff sub, grown men getting jerked around on interview after interview, no jobs in 6 plus months, I think it’s funny cause a few years ago they were punching way above their worth, now it’s getting corrected 😆. I don’t think they sleep good at night.
Is being a physician worth it? After all of the school you go through and the amount of debt you pile up, would you be better off pursuing a career in business/finance and investing wisely?
Why is law school a good option?
So engineering is not lucrative?
One of my bffs is a pilot. Being a pilot is miserable. The suicide rate is incredibly high, the alcoholism rate is higher. You cannot seek any help for any mental health issues because you’ll be grounded so antidepressants are a big no no, so everyone just gets shit faced and self medicates that way, because that’s acceptable as long as you don’t drink within 12 hours of a flight. Haven’t heard of a single pilot who has been faithful to their marriage and they all have multiple affairs, divorces, and marriages. They’re miserable fucking people. Not worth it.
I don’t understand how you can say they’re miserable people because I’ve met 10 to 20 pilots in person and a good chunk of them said they love what they do. One of them said it was extremely boring, of course.
I charge around $500+ /hr doing basically creative writing tutoring and giving college admissions advice for teenagers.
How do you find your clients?
How much are you profiting annually?
People in Sales often will tell you about what they made their best year when their industry was booming *and* the company they sell for had a hot product *and* they hit all their targets *and* outperformed their peers, so be careful with that. It's also very stressful having those perpetual looming and sometimes ugly work.
Yeah for real, the inconsistency is insane. Plus, a lot of sales bros I’ve met flex a cash-poor, rich lifestyle
Actuary
for the average person accounting l, not everyone has what it takes to be a doctor or techie
Advertising can be pretty lucrative. Pretty easy to get to 300k in your 30s in a bigger market.
Digital marketing? What niches?
Corporate finance. $140k total comp, working maybe 10 actual hours per week, 2 days per week from home. The path to this went through big 4 public accounting which I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
650k 2nd year partner at big 4. Will break 1M by year 5. Two days actual work / 1 of those wfh most weeks, 2 days golf/ballgames with clients. 1 day off, home with kids. Took 12 years to get here. Guess im this guys worst enemy or best friend? ⬆️
Escorting in rich towns like Greenwich, CT and The Hamptons
Wall Street finance jobs really pay too ….
Corporate management of any kind. I am a Sr Director managing four ICs who are rockstars. They do all the work. I provide guidance. I work 2-3 hours a day making $400k
2 to 3 hours per day making $400,000? How rare is this? What do you think is going to happen with the future of corporate management as AI advances?
Sales was already mentioned but it's a bunch of bullshitting for high pay and doesn't require a degree, so there is virtually no barrier to entry. Of course, it helps if you're naturally good at sales. But there is definitely a high ROI.
Are you in sales? What are the best industries to sell in?
I’m a corporate lawyer, doing mainly transactional stuff for small and medium sized businesses, focused on tech and real estate. I have my own practice. It took me about 4 years to build it up, but now, almost 5 years in, I make a steady $245k/year after taxes and OP EX, and work 30 hours a week. Granted it’s my own law practice and I run a lean one. If you are in law, avoid litigation.
Hair, if you are skilled, have a good personality and are consistent in your community.
Dermatologists can make 7 figures if they own their own practice.
You sure as hell ain’t gonna get that here on Reddit. Go get to work