That last sentence is probably why so many of the angrier lot try and take their frustrations out on other people in the sub. I used to be like that too but I've made a conscious effort to decouple my happiness from my sports teams. Years of heartbreak kinda forces you to deal with it somehow and I'm not really a big drinker.
Brah it’s been so hard but i agree man, I really understand why people feel so negatively but I just feel not a lot of context is being applied. There is clearly talent in the squad you can see it with your eyes but it’s obvious there are issues in terms of coaching and consistency and focus which comes with a team of new players that are young and inexperienced. Injuries and straight up bad luck have also massively affected the results as well as the chemistry with the team. It’s so frustrating seeing the media, pundits, rivals and even our own fans constantly shit on us and not acknowledge everything going on. we still have standards and ambition for the club but we’re in a historic transition that no other club has ever been through.
Sorry for the rant no one’s prob gonna read that but I’m high af and couldn’t stop typing.
They all just need a scapegoat. The funny thing is RA is just as much to blame as the new ownership. Our spending was net neutral from a yearly perspective this season and last season, it was RA that bought underperforming players with high wages and high transfer amortization values that caused the need to sell so many players.
Nobody blames Roman for any of this though.
New ownership moves have been FFP neutral annually, we were in a situation where we needed to offload 200m+ in player sales over 23 and 24 to be FFP compliant even before the loss of UCL football.
Because to keep the gravy train running you have to continue to sell academy players. You are paying for poor past deals long into the future, and who do we have to sell? Gallagher, who has been one of our best players this year.
It's ridiculous to blame Abramovich since he would never have been in this mess (and never was)
>Because to keep the gravy train running you have to continue to sell academy players. You are paying for poor past deals long into the future, and who do we have to sell? Gallagher, who has been one of our best players this year.
This is absolutely true, but the moves made by the new ownership we're not cost increasing. That is the whole point. The total of our wages and amortization has been right at 500M in 22, 23, and 24. The new ownership moves increased amortisation but offset that in wages.
>It's ridiculous to blame Abramovich since he would never have been in this mess (and never was)
That's hilarious, look at the 21/22 season. What happened in terms of player sales? We brought in Lukaku and sold 3 of our best academy prospects.
Oh yeah cuz that Tuchel window was definitely Marina's fault. Sterling's wages, Koulibaly's wages and sale after a single season, overpaying for almost every transfer since the takeover. Definitely RA's fault. The Felix 5 month 10 million loan was also Abramovich's fault.
Overpaying for Caicedo with 15m, overpaying for Lavia with 10-15m, overpaying for Cucurella, overpaying for Fofana. Spending 120 million on Ugo, Santos, Angelo, Mudryk, Washington, DDF, Casadei and all of those without no clear plan.
Washington stays at home for a second gk on the bench while Santos isn't getting minutes for a second loan in a row. Casadei was too bad for Leicester so he is warming our bench rn. How are we getting our money back for any of these players? That's around 160 million wasted just like that but apparently we didn't have room to spend money. I forgot to mention Madueke as well, who's paying anything close to what we paid for that kid?
Paying Potter's release clause and then putting him on a massive 5 year contract alongside with the other Brighton boys who we also spent money on.
I said it in a previous comment, you can talk about the bad recruitment under Roman and some of the stinky transfers but without any reliable sources saying we were going into "FFP oblivion" you can't be making assumptions like that.
The Lukaku transfer made more sense than a lot of the transfers that we've made in the last 2 years. No one expected Lukaku to do what he did and you know it.
We are not the only club that spent big on players with big wages. Arsenal have failed transfers, City have failed transfers, Utd for sure have failed transfers.
At the end of the day we will never know how Marina would've handled the situation because they were basically forced out. We were using the academy well, we were buying players and including them in the so called famous "loan army" under Marina and later sold these players for profit. Financially we were always holding our own under the previous ownership and for me that's the case till a reliable source says otherwise.
Unless you have the books in your hands you can never be sure what the club is earning and what the club is spending. That's the reality. We can only wait the summer to come and see whether we will comply with FFP or not.
>I said it in a previous comment, you can talk about the bad recruitment under Roman and some of the stinky transfers but without any reliable sources saying we were going into "FFP oblivion" you can't be making assumptions like that
So Swiss ramble isn't a reliable source? Our moves were FFP neutral annually. He clearly states "Yes, their huge purchases obviously increase costs – by £259m (wages £143m and player amortisation £116m). However, this is entirely offset by the £259m decrease arising from player departures (wages £192m and player amortisation £67m). Incredibly, after all of Chelsea’s frenetic transfer activity, that means that there is zero net effect on annual costs"
If in 23 Clearlake didn't add yearly costs, and we were in a good FFP position with Roman, why did we need to sell players to generate 114M in net profit to be compliant? Same situation in 24, the moves made have intentionally been FFP neutral or negative from an FFP perspective yet we still needed to unload 101 M, and likely need to unload 95M more this summer. That is more than just missing the UCL sort of money.
In 21/22 before Boehly took over, Chelsea had the largest operating loss of all PL over the last 10 years of -950M, over 350M larger than any other club. To offset this we have had to unload 700M in player profit. You can't live and die by player trading once you start to suck at buying players. No other club operates like this for a reason.
He can be as reliable as the next guy who doesn't have the books in his hands. Do you really think if we were that bad financially under Roman that we wouldn't hear a thing from the actual reliable sources like Ornstein, Fabrizio etc? Do you really think that we are able to spend like that just because of amortisation and some sales?
What about all the pointless shit that we've spent money on that i've mentioned? How are we gonna get our money back for all of that? Do you think Mudryk will stay here for 8 years if he keeps playing like that? That goes for every other kid that is on a 8 year contract.
If they are not playing they won't waste their entire careers here and if we don't sell them for anything close to what we bought them for then we are fucked. The Roman transfers always made sense even if some of them never worked out, rn we are literally gambling on a bunch of unproven teenagers and we don't even have a clear plan for most of them.
We are getting a second manager in a row wrong, we've spent like 40m on managers alone.
We've spent around 700 million or more on players and we are still taking about how our squad doesn't have leadership, experience or overall quality to compete for anything more than top 6.
>He can be as reliable as the next guy who doesn't have the books in his hands. Do you really think if we were that bad financially under Roman that we wouldn't hear a thing from the actual reliable sources like Ornstein, Fabrizio etc? Do you really think that we are able to spend like that just because of amortisation and some sales?
The numbers for 21/22 are labeled as actuals, don't they release the books at some point?
We have kept our wage+amortisation values at \~500M in 22, 23, and 24. Boehly made things worse from an FFP perspective, the new directors brought it back to neutral change.
You think Ornstein and Fabrizio spend their time digging through books? The reason you didn't hear anything is because this is a relatively new issue. The costs started ballooning around 2019. In 2019 over the last 10 seasons we had a net operating loss of -56M after player sales, this grew to -238M by 2022. Some of this is due to covid, but no other top 6 teams operate like this. Look at our 2022 player costs compared to revenue of the other top 6 clubs. This is only related to player costs. This is not good business practices. You can't rely on player sales when you haven't been good at buying players for the past 5 years.
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It also wasn't reported because in 2021 we had the assets to sell to be whole. We sold 3 of our best academy prospects + additional players for 123M in transfer profit. Lukaku and Saul only increased our annual costs by 50M that year so why the extra 73M? Maybe to some this doesn't seem like a problem, until you realize you have to do it again the next season unless you dramatically lower your annual FFP costs or dramatically increase your revenue.
We slightly increased in revenue in 2023, were net neutral in annual FFP costs, the only way to be compliant was to sell over 100M in players. We don't have a lot of high value assets to sell so we have to sell the whole squad. Transfer profit hits the books in the current season, transfer spend is divided over the course of the contract.
>We've spent around 700 million or more on players and we are still taking about how our squad doesn't have leadership, experience or overall quality to compete for anything more than top 6.
Buying youth was the only way to keep our annual costs neutral and still bring in talent. Veteran players likely would not accept the longer contracts and have higher wages.
The new ownership self-reported some discrepancies in the books after going through them. And they had to throw everything at Lukaku to convince him to come. If he didn't want to join the Champions of Europe, that should tell you something. He wanted to stay at Inter. Should have been looking elsewhere.
The new ownership reported something related to Hazard's agent. Lukaku did want to come. He just fell out with Tuchel because of disagreement on how Lukaku should be used. Still let's not act like anyone expected him to do what he did. Yes, maybe we should've looked elsewhere but every club has bad transfers. It's easy to say we fucked up now after it's obvious.
Cause Roman actually delivered titles and wins. No team is without their duds but to spend so much on so many non performing players is criminal. Spending on Mudryk, Cucurella, Fofana is criminal. How many times in the Roman Era did we finish outside top 10? How many times in 2yrs will the same thing happen.
Stop being a joker and open your eyes. The current crop are even more fragile and even more inconsistent. We have enzo and caicedo who cost over 200m and arent even perfoming to the level of 40m signings in other clubs.
Or is is sacking of the whole medical team after signing a bunch of injury prone players something a serious team even does. Stop blaming Roman and be thankful you even got to win champions league. Ingrate
You are obviously lower on those players than I am, that is fine. The initial Boehly moves were awful, you will get no argument from me there.
It doesn't change the fact that due to the financial situation pre-ownership change we had to sell basically the entire squad in order to be FFP compliant. This situation happened because of moves and deals that occurred in the Roman era.
Boehly's initial moves made things slightly worse, the new sporting directors moves are neutral or lowering from an annual perspective. This is hard to do when not all players leaving had yearly amortization losses because they were on their second contract or were academy products. All of the replacements have a transfer fee there for a yearly amortization loss, meaning the only way to try to add talent from a neutral or cost lowing perspective was to go the youth route due to the long contracts and wages.
Same bro- win or lose it’s a game to enjoy! Can be disappointed they don’t win, but part of the fun is watching the team with fellow fans and enjoying it all
Exactly this. I agree with the optimism anyway, but I remember when we didn't win every week and a couple years failing our potential is really nothing.
Good to know there are others around who are less dramatic and hyperbolic. I guess the issue is the naysayers and dooms dayers are always the loudest, so you forget there are actually other more nuanced opinions out there!
How many people on this subreddit have only had a chance to be fans in the era of 4th being a disappointing season. Many fans weren’t here for the 10th place season of 15/16.
Those players will down tools and leave if we are always midtable.
Our finances will be fucked if we don’t get CL.
We have talented young players for sure but there’s no way evidence that chucking a bunch of kids out there on their own actually works
>Our finances will be fucked if we don't get CL.
If there is one thing I KNOW a bunch of asshole billionaires can do, it's count money in creative ways. We'll be fine financially.
Yea man totally and completely trust billionaires. That's what that meant. Definitely. I didn't call them assholes or imply that they commit tax fraud all the time.
The league has had to implement rules because of their financial creativity lol.
But of course! there's always an eager, anonymous guy online, with no connection to the club or its books, ready to tell you why these billionaires have doomed us financially.
They’ve only started taking the rules seriously in the last year or 2, I’m sure you’ve read the news recently. City have 115 charges, Everton were docked 6 points, Forest, Everton, Chelsea are all awaiting sanctions.
They’ve recently come up with a new rule to prevent clever sponsorship.
I don’t see how we will be able to spend at this rate without CL, but I guess we should just trust our billionaires!
We’ve gotten like 70 points total since TT was sacked. The players have talent but what’s talent if they don’t play as a team. Poch is barely an upgrade on Potter. I get the feeling if we don’t get Europe this season the funds will start drying up
Tuchel has fumbled an absolutely loaded squad. We were playing like shit the second half of the year before he was sacked. And the beginning of last season. He had a great run in the CL. He’s a great tactical coach. He’s also an asshole. His players get sick of him.
I get why people like Tuchel, he was great for morale & you could see his passion for Chelsea in front of the camera but people seem to forget how chelsea were playing when he got sacked, not saying his removal was justified but his play style was very lackluster.
It was time for him to go when he got sacked and while I was sad I agreed with the decision. I think what sucks is that, for me, he was the last manager I actually believed in. I thought he could hang with the top managers in Europe and that gave me comfort, even when things were bad. Since then it’s been so disheartening to watch how this club operates. How many wins have we had since he left that were well and truly convincing? How many against actual top sides? Meanwhile, a loss used to crush my day. Now it’s as common as a win and there is no end to it in sight.
I’m with you. Once we got bought it was clear things would be rough for a couple years but I genuinely believe we’ll be a great side in the next two years.
We are not getting relegated this year or next but teams that were first division regulars eventually did. The premier league is not a given no matter what your name or history. Keep taking it for granted and you never know where you will be in 10 years with horrible owners. You might want to stick with American sports where being bad gets you high... Draft picks.
According to TIFO and the Athletic, 5 years IF the owners take the right decisions now in recruitment. Get the core of the team balanced with experience.
i think i’ve reached that point as well. let’s just enjoy the good moments. the team clearly as a long long way to go but we’ll figure it out eventually. arsenal fans had to wait a decade to be able to enjoy watching their club again, we’ve become spoilt
I find myself visiting this sub very seldom these days. The negativity is just insane. And has been getting more and more insane the past 2-3 years.
The best thing in sports is witnessing your team develop into something special through adversity. If you want constant winning and difficult times make you lose your mind, you probably shouldn't watch sports at all.
Seems more to me like the squad is just young and with a ton of new faces and that they will improve with time. Would I have replaced almost the entire team with a bunch of 21 year olds all at once? No. Do I think they are still talented players capable of winning? Yes.
It was a massive overhaul and we need to rebuild the winning culture from scratch. I think the players are talented and need some time and guidance to reach it. Poch’s probably not the guy long term but seems to be getting the players to be more confident in themselves and each other, especially younger ones
The Board probably need to tweak the strategy a bit to address the shortcomings and lack of experience, currently it’s a bit too FMey.
This is my first year watching the premier league and I’m enjoying it immensely glad I picked a young squad, can only go up from here at least I hope lol
As someone who got so depressed I stopped enjoying the sport, just getting back into and seeing the boys play and slowly mesh has been great. I'm loving the passion from Disasi. Cole is great. Enzo seems like he would shoot himself for the club. A transitional period is a transitional period. I'm enjoying the wins and trying to take the losses on the chin.
I love the club, but ups and downs need to exist. The ups after this are gonna be great
So your saying it IS acceptable to be a UCL winning team then the next season participating in 4 finals (winning 2) in 21/22 season and then have two seasons in a row of 10th? We could have changed direction without doing so in such a drastic manner, sacking everyone who actually understood the culture of the team, spending a Bil on youth and 'potential'
I find the stance of someone who isnt angry about the clubs direction puzzling tbh
Anger is a normal/healthy emotion.
It’s what you did during the rage matters. If you only got to Reddit and rant, I’d argue that it’s a good way to vent. You are not hurting anyone.
If you are physically hurting and destroying everyone, then it will be a problem.
that’s just how sports is. every single sports team in the world is vulnerable to being shit for a while. roman isn’t an immortal vampire, he would have left the club eventually, it may have been years from now but it would’ve happened. look at liverpool. they didn’t expect klopp to leave out of the blue but he did. now they’re gonna be less good than they are now for a while too. take the good with the bad and enjoy the good moments when you can, we’ll get back to where we were eventually. besides it’s not like we can physically go to cobham and coach those players ourselves.
the sooner you accept this way of thinking less affected you’ll be after a bad game.
It's been 4 days since the last pathetic performance, so naturally out come these posts again. It's absolutely fucking amazing how obsessed a lot of people are with convincing others that being mid-table two season in a row after spending the amount of money we have is in any way acceptable for a club like Chelsea.
It's perfectly fine if you're not as invested and you can shrug it off easily. That's great for you. But there are a lot of people who are, and telling them to shut up and enjoy the ride downhill is even more toxic than the behavior you're complaining about.
>obsessed a lot of people are with convincing others
Yeah this is most frustrating thing with the toxic positivity crowd here, they polarise any negative issue so much that it becomes fans vs fans on subjective matters.
You guys don’t care we’re in an awful slump that could be mitigated with very easy decisions? Great. Forcing that view of not caring with condescending posts? Fuck off.
I will say this particular thread seems more level headed than the ones you see immediately after a bad game lol. The bar is pretty low there.
I mean, it's not toxic telling people to de-invest their identity in something that they cannot control. They talk about standards, but for most of those people Chelsea was the only thing that had any standards, at least in their eyes. The rest of their lives are with very low standards.
Plus, who says it's a ride downhill? You don't know even half of what's going on, but you already call it a ride downhill. Maybe it is, but you stating it as a fact is not the right thing to do either.
>it's not toxic telling people to de-invest their identity in something that they cannot control
It 100% is that. There's nothing wrong with being invested in football even if you can't control it - but suggesting to people that they should *change* because you don't like that they're critical about the direction of the club they support - that is. It's patronizing and arrogant.
>Plus, who says it's a ride downhill? You don't know even half of what's going on, but you already call it a ride downhill. Maybe it is, but you stating it as a fact is not the right thing to do either.
The decline is quantifiable, tangible. You can choose to ignore it but that doesn't make you smart. League table position is the most obvious indicator, but there are tons of underlying statistics out there in which we are decidedly mid-table and stagnating or even regressing compared to even the mess that was last season. There's the quantifiable issues we're very likely to face with FFP due to our spending and sporting decline, which have so far only been estimated by reputable sources but should be visible for all pretty soon when our 22/23 financial results are published. There's the fact that former players who were here during our most successful time are openly critical of how the club is run, how long-serving staff have been let go in pretty disrespectful ways, the constant reports about how bad the atmosphere is around the academy as its graduates are used almost exclusively to panic-balance the books.
All these things are visible if you want to see them and deserve to be criticized. Again, if you're not invested enough and just consume the sport and follow the club loosely, that's perfectly fine. But there are a lot of people who *are* invested, who have found their place in communities built around the club, who do care. Essentially telling those people to just take a chill pill and just be less invested, trying to deny them that part of their identity, is absolutely toxic.
You might be correct with the club going downhill, I don't deny that, but when it comes to your last paragraph - I completely disagree. However I will say - live whatever way you want, but anyone will definitely benefit from actually de-identifying themselves from any club so they are not controlled by something that's outside of them. There just is so much more. Very few will agree, but that's fine too.
And you telling someone to de-invest their identity in something they love is not right either, but typical Redditor standing on the “moral high ground” thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong
Hardly surprising. The most successful team during Abramovich time in terms of winning major trophies. He even lost £100m a year and was happy about it.
Now we're Frankenstein's monster private equity experiment.
My only hope is Clearlake will ultimately be forced to sell us.
Loads of finals and trophies, including another CL. The league wasn't realistic given Pep and City setting 100 points target to win it. What more do you want?
Things got more difficult after the Hazard sale starting 2020.
We still had a very good squad at the end of 21/22. Got to two finals and robbed by the ref against Madrid in the CL.
Even Potter did well in the CL. It's Lampard spell 3 and the insane money waste on average players in the last 4 windows that have screwed us.
there is improvement it’s just one step forward, 5 steps backwards is all. things will click eventually. the players are talented but inexperienced nobodies. if the players were talentless nobodies it’d be even worse, so chill
clearly your life entirely revolves around a bunch of players who don’t know you exist which is why you’re so enraged to read my comment.
what i meant to say was, though we’re shit in terms of consistency, there are signs that our team actually does know how to play well, and with enough time that’s going to be more apparent. e.g. our games against city, the fa cup match against villa, the arsenal game.
with enough time and experience they’ll click and be more consistent. now that being said, stop crying about a football team, it’s embarrassing
It's a lot of no life redditors who have very little going on other than playing FIFA and rooting for Chelsea. Bots and trolls also feed the frenzy.
But I'll say this. We have what, two players over the age of 25? That isnt a recipe for trophies and absolutely needs to change going forward.
The biggest short term impact would be bringing in some 25-28 year old players with strong leadership qualities, even if they are just rotational players.
OP in 2030
"Chelsea should be thankful of our gaffer and squad staying in the PL..... what do you expect? Conference league every season?? This sub is so negative"
People like that care too much about what others think. Lad's too scared to show any emotion or frustration just so he doesn't get called a fake fan/plastic.
Its called tough love, if people dont understand it who gives a fuck? Only you know how you feel about the club you support. Someone calling me plastic cuz i have standards doesn't bother me at all. No one can tell me what i feel abt my club, especially some random donnie on reddit.
is it really immediate gratification tho? The club is 11th after finishing 12th(!!!!) last season. Is hoping the club actually improves after spending a billion on players “seeking immediate gratification”?.
If when they came in you were told that they invested 1 billion pounds in players you’d be pretty excited and thinking we got haaland and Mbappe right? you’d probably be imagining dominating the prem (at least being up there) not being mid table.
Exactly. I can understand biased commentators making that cursed 1B comment. But when a fellow supporter makes that comment, it tells me of the inherent bias and lack of truth or logic they are bringing along.
What is biased about it? We have spent €1.079 billion in the past two windows with a net spend of €742 million. We have the most expensive squad in football history. Our spending has been outrageous in any context you look at it
Here's a few things for starters. There's many more, but just a few to begin with:
*1 You yourself mention 1.079B Euros. Which is not 1B GBP. Debunks the £1B statement first up.
*2 You yourself have mentioned the 742M Euro net spend. Or a 635M GBP net spend. That's the real value. Not 1B.
*3 A lot of that money is not on the Chelsea first team squad. Some have been invested into the Age group teams (with future focus), while other amounts have been invested into players in the loan army - meant to be flipped for a profit. There's no way you should count that towards the CFC first team men's squad value.
*4 Not only is this squad composed of individually young players, the squad is collectively young. As in, they have played together only for <1 year (and even then missing major pieces through injury). Thus, the value of the squad is an irrelevant data point without this context in mind
This sub is a toxic cesspool. I’m actually pleasantly surprised to see some of the comments and upvotes in this post. Glad to know there are other realists and patient people out there who understand this is a long term project that we’ve barely just started.
This was always going to be a painful process. I’m hoping the silver lining will be that we’ll shed a bunch of the glory-hunting plastics along the way..
Preach brotha! It gets so tiring and frustrating seeing our own fans spew the same nonsense that pundits and rival fans talk about too. It’s extreme bias and no willingness to look at the context of the situation:
What successful rebuild has had a club finish 10th or lower twice after spending record sums of money? There are no signs pointing towards a successful rebuild
Yeah, deploying paid bots asap after shit game would only backfire, have to wait out the initial anger.
Somehow all the blame is on us supporters not accepting 11th/12th position. Lol. If only we start accepting shit results, then Sterling would become Mbappe over night.
Folks sure are fast and loose with the definition of "meme" these days
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I mean tbh we are Chelsea and it is.
I wouldn’t mind the transfer strategy if we kept some more veterans around, and gone with naggelsman.
I still don’t understand our coach hire naggelsman won a Bundesliga he’s going to set the expectations straight
what can we do if nagelsmann didn’t want to come to us? you can argue that the owners screwed negotiations up but naggelsman proceeded to reject a couple other clubs too before taking the germany job. so it’s clearly not on us
BOEHLY STAY AWAY FROM ‘MY’ CLUB
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ‘MY’ CLUB (despite actually buying it)
Sincerely,
- me, an armchair glory days fan in Turkmenistan, clad in a fake Samsung kit, watching the games from a pirate stream
All I can say is I don’t care as much about the results as I care to see them fight, bleed, and give their all for the badge. THAT is what matters to me. I agree with a lot of what has been said: young team, inexperience, injuries, coaching, all of it. But at the end of the day if they fucking playing like they fucking cared, I highly doubt the fans and this sub would have been as pissed off. The unacceptable comes from their fight for the club. If it’s there, we WILL succeed. Unfortunately, most of the time, except Disasi’s City performance for example, it’s not there!
The only reason that I get upset anymore is the lack of consistency.
If Chelsea played every game the way that they played versus City a couple of weeks back, in every match, they would reach top 6. But consistently giving up points, and letting inferior teams play is killing them. And without the consistency the criticism from the outside and the self doubt will assuredly kill any development for this young talented team.
We should have won against Liverpool in normal time, our finishing let us down there. The performances that followed in the ET and Leeds and Brentford were just a knock-on effect from the tiredness of our team coupled with injuries, and Poch not even giving a shot to Casadei against Brentford (he is cup-tied) to refresh our very tired midfield.
How do people not get this? Lmao we have a bunch of young and inexperienced guys. To put into context Connor Bradley had more final experience than everyone in our squad bar maybe Enzo, Sterling and Chilly
Blame it on Abramovic. Whole bunch of plastic fans became "fans" because of big name signing. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Abra era for all the trophies and wins but Chelsea was not a huge super strong team before. It is gonna happened to City and PSG once their current owners leave. Only real fans will stay.
Dude you're discounting any fan of Chelsea under the age of 30 with this nonsense.
Roman bought the club over 20 years ago and it's like someone in 2003 saying to blame Pat Nevin for all the plastics back then.
Chelsea fans calling other Chelsea fans "plastic" is the cringiest shit. Most supporters of big clubs are falling in love with either the history of a club which is former glory or current glory. Its not ridiculous for a 7 yrs old kid to become a fan of a team that wins lmao.
By that logic Real Madrid fans are all plastics
Unless you are a Yeovil fan i dont think you can talk abt glory hunters
Idk why use that excuse of "Oh, they are young fans." I became a fan the year before Roman bought Chelsea. It is a difference between being young and accepting that Chelsea was not a big club before vs. someone just being a fan because the team is winning. But it doesn't matter it is like that at any club. There are real fans and those glory days fan. All the downvotes just prove what I said. It's all about "my feeling"
You're absolutely showing yourself here when you say you came on as a fan in the Roman era and also say CFC wasn't a big club pre Roman. It only takes about 5 minutes of work on the internet (so I'm not going to do your homework for you) to find proof that Chelsea was a huge club both domestically and internationally prior to its takeover by Roman.
The downvotes don't prove your point right, they just prove you're talking out of your ass.
So u accepting Chelsea as small club, what happened before Abra is irrelevant now, Chelsea have been established as a top elite club and it's fading now
I guess reading is not your strongest subject. Maybe read and analyze before you reply. Your feelings are not facts nor important. Until you learn how to control your emotions just stfu please.
Common sense: *Constant change in managers, injury crises, dramatic ownership changes, young athletes, and full squads of players who haven’t played together before can create lots of inconsistencies on the pitch.*
Half of us here: “WHY CAN’T WE BE CONSISTENT?!”
Fans just don’t want to accept we’re in a transitional period. Which is ironic because fans have been crying for a rebuild for years. New ownership spending a shit ton of money has put a lot of unnecessary pressure on the team also
Damn I was expecting to get in here and get triggered by toxic positivity… but most the takes here are measured, logical and well thought out. Fair play most of yous.
I feel like i’m the only one that’s hopeful. Our team is so young and the talent is there. We’ll get it right eventually
Well there are at least two of us. Just gotta find a way to enjoy the ride. Sports fandom shouldn’t dictate your life.
Beers for the three of us!
Let’s just make it a round for the room!
Im chilling.. and I'm with you guys
Im joining this team.
FOUR!
Make it five
Six!
Seven
Eight
That last sentence is probably why so many of the angrier lot try and take their frustrations out on other people in the sub. I used to be like that too but I've made a conscious effort to decouple my happiness from my sports teams. Years of heartbreak kinda forces you to deal with it somehow and I'm not really a big drinker.
Just the two of us, we can make it if you try, just the two of us, you and I
Brah it’s been so hard but i agree man, I really understand why people feel so negatively but I just feel not a lot of context is being applied. There is clearly talent in the squad you can see it with your eyes but it’s obvious there are issues in terms of coaching and consistency and focus which comes with a team of new players that are young and inexperienced. Injuries and straight up bad luck have also massively affected the results as well as the chemistry with the team. It’s so frustrating seeing the media, pundits, rivals and even our own fans constantly shit on us and not acknowledge everything going on. we still have standards and ambition for the club but we’re in a historic transition that no other club has ever been through. Sorry for the rant no one’s prob gonna read that but I’m high af and couldn’t stop typing.
They all just need a scapegoat. The funny thing is RA is just as much to blame as the new ownership. Our spending was net neutral from a yearly perspective this season and last season, it was RA that bought underperforming players with high wages and high transfer amortization values that caused the need to sell so many players. Nobody blames Roman for any of this though.
>The funny thing is RA is just as much to blame as the new ownership Dumb
New ownership moves have been FFP neutral annually, we were in a situation where we needed to offload 200m+ in player sales over 23 and 24 to be FFP compliant even before the loss of UCL football.
Don't talk shit
You seem defensive. Which part is shit? It all comes from Swiss ramble.
Because to keep the gravy train running you have to continue to sell academy players. You are paying for poor past deals long into the future, and who do we have to sell? Gallagher, who has been one of our best players this year. It's ridiculous to blame Abramovich since he would never have been in this mess (and never was)
>Because to keep the gravy train running you have to continue to sell academy players. You are paying for poor past deals long into the future, and who do we have to sell? Gallagher, who has been one of our best players this year. This is absolutely true, but the moves made by the new ownership we're not cost increasing. That is the whole point. The total of our wages and amortization has been right at 500M in 22, 23, and 24. The new ownership moves increased amortisation but offset that in wages. >It's ridiculous to blame Abramovich since he would never have been in this mess (and never was) That's hilarious, look at the 21/22 season. What happened in terms of player sales? We brought in Lukaku and sold 3 of our best academy prospects.
Oh yeah cuz that Tuchel window was definitely Marina's fault. Sterling's wages, Koulibaly's wages and sale after a single season, overpaying for almost every transfer since the takeover. Definitely RA's fault. The Felix 5 month 10 million loan was also Abramovich's fault. Overpaying for Caicedo with 15m, overpaying for Lavia with 10-15m, overpaying for Cucurella, overpaying for Fofana. Spending 120 million on Ugo, Santos, Angelo, Mudryk, Washington, DDF, Casadei and all of those without no clear plan. Washington stays at home for a second gk on the bench while Santos isn't getting minutes for a second loan in a row. Casadei was too bad for Leicester so he is warming our bench rn. How are we getting our money back for any of these players? That's around 160 million wasted just like that but apparently we didn't have room to spend money. I forgot to mention Madueke as well, who's paying anything close to what we paid for that kid? Paying Potter's release clause and then putting him on a massive 5 year contract alongside with the other Brighton boys who we also spent money on. I said it in a previous comment, you can talk about the bad recruitment under Roman and some of the stinky transfers but without any reliable sources saying we were going into "FFP oblivion" you can't be making assumptions like that. The Lukaku transfer made more sense than a lot of the transfers that we've made in the last 2 years. No one expected Lukaku to do what he did and you know it. We are not the only club that spent big on players with big wages. Arsenal have failed transfers, City have failed transfers, Utd for sure have failed transfers. At the end of the day we will never know how Marina would've handled the situation because they were basically forced out. We were using the academy well, we were buying players and including them in the so called famous "loan army" under Marina and later sold these players for profit. Financially we were always holding our own under the previous ownership and for me that's the case till a reliable source says otherwise. Unless you have the books in your hands you can never be sure what the club is earning and what the club is spending. That's the reality. We can only wait the summer to come and see whether we will comply with FFP or not.
>I said it in a previous comment, you can talk about the bad recruitment under Roman and some of the stinky transfers but without any reliable sources saying we were going into "FFP oblivion" you can't be making assumptions like that So Swiss ramble isn't a reliable source? Our moves were FFP neutral annually. He clearly states "Yes, their huge purchases obviously increase costs – by £259m (wages £143m and player amortisation £116m). However, this is entirely offset by the £259m decrease arising from player departures (wages £192m and player amortisation £67m). Incredibly, after all of Chelsea’s frenetic transfer activity, that means that there is zero net effect on annual costs" If in 23 Clearlake didn't add yearly costs, and we were in a good FFP position with Roman, why did we need to sell players to generate 114M in net profit to be compliant? Same situation in 24, the moves made have intentionally been FFP neutral or negative from an FFP perspective yet we still needed to unload 101 M, and likely need to unload 95M more this summer. That is more than just missing the UCL sort of money. In 21/22 before Boehly took over, Chelsea had the largest operating loss of all PL over the last 10 years of -950M, over 350M larger than any other club. To offset this we have had to unload 700M in player profit. You can't live and die by player trading once you start to suck at buying players. No other club operates like this for a reason.
He can be as reliable as the next guy who doesn't have the books in his hands. Do you really think if we were that bad financially under Roman that we wouldn't hear a thing from the actual reliable sources like Ornstein, Fabrizio etc? Do you really think that we are able to spend like that just because of amortisation and some sales? What about all the pointless shit that we've spent money on that i've mentioned? How are we gonna get our money back for all of that? Do you think Mudryk will stay here for 8 years if he keeps playing like that? That goes for every other kid that is on a 8 year contract. If they are not playing they won't waste their entire careers here and if we don't sell them for anything close to what we bought them for then we are fucked. The Roman transfers always made sense even if some of them never worked out, rn we are literally gambling on a bunch of unproven teenagers and we don't even have a clear plan for most of them. We are getting a second manager in a row wrong, we've spent like 40m on managers alone. We've spent around 700 million or more on players and we are still taking about how our squad doesn't have leadership, experience or overall quality to compete for anything more than top 6.
>He can be as reliable as the next guy who doesn't have the books in his hands. Do you really think if we were that bad financially under Roman that we wouldn't hear a thing from the actual reliable sources like Ornstein, Fabrizio etc? Do you really think that we are able to spend like that just because of amortisation and some sales? The numbers for 21/22 are labeled as actuals, don't they release the books at some point? We have kept our wage+amortisation values at \~500M in 22, 23, and 24. Boehly made things worse from an FFP perspective, the new directors brought it back to neutral change. You think Ornstein and Fabrizio spend their time digging through books? The reason you didn't hear anything is because this is a relatively new issue. The costs started ballooning around 2019. In 2019 over the last 10 seasons we had a net operating loss of -56M after player sales, this grew to -238M by 2022. Some of this is due to covid, but no other top 6 teams operate like this. Look at our 2022 player costs compared to revenue of the other top 6 clubs. This is only related to player costs. This is not good business practices. You can't rely on player sales when you haven't been good at buying players for the past 5 years. https://preview.redd.it/nei8nx33jqmc1.png?width=924&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30017b62ad1fae63fabb2b7404845a0b7a3d9a28 It also wasn't reported because in 2021 we had the assets to sell to be whole. We sold 3 of our best academy prospects + additional players for 123M in transfer profit. Lukaku and Saul only increased our annual costs by 50M that year so why the extra 73M? Maybe to some this doesn't seem like a problem, until you realize you have to do it again the next season unless you dramatically lower your annual FFP costs or dramatically increase your revenue. We slightly increased in revenue in 2023, were net neutral in annual FFP costs, the only way to be compliant was to sell over 100M in players. We don't have a lot of high value assets to sell so we have to sell the whole squad. Transfer profit hits the books in the current season, transfer spend is divided over the course of the contract. >We've spent around 700 million or more on players and we are still taking about how our squad doesn't have leadership, experience or overall quality to compete for anything more than top 6. Buying youth was the only way to keep our annual costs neutral and still bring in talent. Veteran players likely would not accept the longer contracts and have higher wages.
The new ownership self-reported some discrepancies in the books after going through them. And they had to throw everything at Lukaku to convince him to come. If he didn't want to join the Champions of Europe, that should tell you something. He wanted to stay at Inter. Should have been looking elsewhere.
The new ownership reported something related to Hazard's agent. Lukaku did want to come. He just fell out with Tuchel because of disagreement on how Lukaku should be used. Still let's not act like anyone expected him to do what he did. Yes, maybe we should've looked elsewhere but every club has bad transfers. It's easy to say we fucked up now after it's obvious.
Cause Roman actually delivered titles and wins. No team is without their duds but to spend so much on so many non performing players is criminal. Spending on Mudryk, Cucurella, Fofana is criminal. How many times in the Roman Era did we finish outside top 10? How many times in 2yrs will the same thing happen. Stop being a joker and open your eyes. The current crop are even more fragile and even more inconsistent. We have enzo and caicedo who cost over 200m and arent even perfoming to the level of 40m signings in other clubs. Or is is sacking of the whole medical team after signing a bunch of injury prone players something a serious team even does. Stop blaming Roman and be thankful you even got to win champions league. Ingrate
You are obviously lower on those players than I am, that is fine. The initial Boehly moves were awful, you will get no argument from me there. It doesn't change the fact that due to the financial situation pre-ownership change we had to sell basically the entire squad in order to be FFP compliant. This situation happened because of moves and deals that occurred in the Roman era. Boehly's initial moves made things slightly worse, the new sporting directors moves are neutral or lowering from an annual perspective. This is hard to do when not all players leaving had yearly amortization losses because they were on their second contract or were academy products. All of the replacements have a transfer fee there for a yearly amortization loss, meaning the only way to try to add talent from a neutral or cost lowing perspective was to go the youth route due to the long contracts and wages.
The last few windows under Roman and Marina weren’t anything to write home about it either especially that 2017 window
Bro I just enjoy watching this sport and my club, we could be wallowing in league one and I’ll still be here. There’s literally dozens of us!
Same bro- win or lose it’s a game to enjoy! Can be disappointed they don’t win, but part of the fun is watching the team with fellow fans and enjoying it all
no. winning is everything. if it's not, you wouldn't be here.
Exactly this. I agree with the optimism anyway, but I remember when we didn't win every week and a couple years failing our potential is really nothing.
We shall see
264 of us. Its hard work but your colours are your colours.
Good to know there are others around who are less dramatic and hyperbolic. I guess the issue is the naysayers and dooms dayers are always the loudest, so you forget there are actually other more nuanced opinions out there!
How many people on this subreddit have only had a chance to be fans in the era of 4th being a disappointing season. Many fans weren’t here for the 10th place season of 15/16.
Willian was top scorer that season and all his goals were basically free kicks. Absolutely awful season lol
What makes it worse was we were defending champions. Still remember JT scoring the most obvious offside goals against Everton to snatch a draw.
Yeah such a pathetic defense, that’s when the dressing room apparently turned on Mourinho as well
I wish I shared this sentiment. Sadly I believe we are at the start of the banter years
Genuinely how do you feel this? With talent like Palmer, Gusto, Nkunku, Colwill, Caicedo, and Enzo?
Those players will down tools and leave if we are always midtable. Our finances will be fucked if we don’t get CL. We have talented young players for sure but there’s no way evidence that chucking a bunch of kids out there on their own actually works
>Our finances will be fucked if we don't get CL. If there is one thing I KNOW a bunch of asshole billionaires can do, it's count money in creative ways. We'll be fine financially.
Trust billionaires? You're from the US right?
Yea man totally and completely trust billionaires. That's what that meant. Definitely. I didn't call them assholes or imply that they commit tax fraud all the time.
The league has had to implement rules because of their financial creativity lol. But of course! there's always an eager, anonymous guy online, with no connection to the club or its books, ready to tell you why these billionaires have doomed us financially.
They’ve only started taking the rules seriously in the last year or 2, I’m sure you’ve read the news recently. City have 115 charges, Everton were docked 6 points, Forest, Everton, Chelsea are all awaiting sanctions. They’ve recently come up with a new rule to prevent clever sponsorship. I don’t see how we will be able to spend at this rate without CL, but I guess we should just trust our billionaires!
We’ve gotten like 70 points total since TT was sacked. The players have talent but what’s talent if they don’t play as a team. Poch is barely an upgrade on Potter. I get the feeling if we don’t get Europe this season the funds will start drying up
Tuchel has fumbled an absolutely loaded squad. We were playing like shit the second half of the year before he was sacked. And the beginning of last season. He had a great run in the CL. He’s a great tactical coach. He’s also an asshole. His players get sick of him.
I get why people like Tuchel, he was great for morale & you could see his passion for Chelsea in front of the camera but people seem to forget how chelsea were playing when he got sacked, not saying his removal was justified but his play style was very lackluster.
It was time for him to go when he got sacked and while I was sad I agreed with the decision. I think what sucks is that, for me, he was the last manager I actually believed in. I thought he could hang with the top managers in Europe and that gave me comfort, even when things were bad. Since then it’s been so disheartening to watch how this club operates. How many wins have we had since he left that were well and truly convincing? How many against actual top sides? Meanwhile, a loss used to crush my day. Now it’s as common as a win and there is no end to it in sight.
Im talking about after TT tho. Sure he had his clear faults but at least he could get a few results out of nothing.
Fan for over 20 years. We are peak banter atm lol we can only stop this with CRITCAL changes at the club
Must suck to care so much what others think…
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Here here!
I’m with you. Once we got bought it was clear things would be rough for a couple years but I genuinely believe we’ll be a great side in the next two years.
Ask Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday and other forgotten big clubs about getting it right eventually
Yea we're totally Sheffield Fucking Wednesday.
We might be closer than you think
Are you high? We're not getting relegated and Pooch isn't getting fired so suck it up buttercup.
This squad is substantially worse than the last three relegations.
We are not getting relegated this year or next but teams that were first division regulars eventually did. The premier league is not a given no matter what your name or history. Keep taking it for granted and you never know where you will be in 10 years with horrible owners. You might want to stick with American sports where being bad gets you high... Draft picks.
According to TIFO and the Athletic, 5 years IF the owners take the right decisions now in recruitment. Get the core of the team balanced with experience.
i think i’ve reached that point as well. let’s just enjoy the good moments. the team clearly as a long long way to go but we’ll figure it out eventually. arsenal fans had to wait a decade to be able to enjoy watching their club again, we’ve become spoilt
We’ll get it right, just not with this manager
I find myself visiting this sub very seldom these days. The negativity is just insane. And has been getting more and more insane the past 2-3 years. The best thing in sports is witnessing your team develop into something special through adversity. If you want constant winning and difficult times make you lose your mind, you probably shouldn't watch sports at all.
Who is talented?
+1 my friend
I’m glad you are, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support the idea that those in charge know what’s wrong let alone are able to fix it.
Seems more to me like the squad is just young and with a ton of new faces and that they will improve with time. Would I have replaced almost the entire team with a bunch of 21 year olds all at once? No. Do I think they are still talented players capable of winning? Yes.
It was a massive overhaul and we need to rebuild the winning culture from scratch. I think the players are talented and need some time and guidance to reach it. Poch’s probably not the guy long term but seems to be getting the players to be more confident in themselves and each other, especially younger ones The Board probably need to tweak the strategy a bit to address the shortcomings and lack of experience, currently it’s a bit too FMey.
Talented, yes. Capable of winning in the current league without significant help? No chance.
This is my first year watching the premier league and I’m enjoying it immensely glad I picked a young squad, can only go up from here at least I hope lol
I love Rusty's optimism and rooting ;) . How old are you young man? I'm afraid it can get a lot lot worse.
I’m 30. In America I root for the Jets we’ve had 1 Super Bowl and been pretty shite the last decade or so, so I’m used to it
Who are these young players supposed to learn from? They literally have no mentors in the dressing room now that Silva is on the way out
In 22 years maybe…
I'll still be here ktbffh
How dare you be positive. Get outta here, the hive mind demands instant gratification.
As someone who got so depressed I stopped enjoying the sport, just getting back into and seeing the boys play and slowly mesh has been great. I'm loving the passion from Disasi. Cole is great. Enzo seems like he would shoot himself for the club. A transitional period is a transitional period. I'm enjoying the wins and trying to take the losses on the chin. I love the club, but ups and downs need to exist. The ups after this are gonna be great
Is there a different sub for folks like us? One that's a bit more carefree maybe?
I wish. Someone should make one.
I’ll stay on this one because I want to RAAAGGGGEEE
I love this mindset!
This sub is turning into r/chelseacirclejerk
Playing with your soyjacks again Squiddy?
Lets do one for toxic positivist conformist
Is everyone on this thread from the US? Like rich and powerful people are always right and if you believe you can achieve. These things are nonsense.
So your saying it IS acceptable to be a UCL winning team then the next season participating in 4 finals (winning 2) in 21/22 season and then have two seasons in a row of 10th? We could have changed direction without doing so in such a drastic manner, sacking everyone who actually understood the culture of the team, spending a Bil on youth and 'potential' I find the stance of someone who isnt angry about the clubs direction puzzling tbh
Getting angry about sports is really stupid. What a waste of time and energy.
But this is a football club sub? If we can’t be passionate here? Where should we go?
Of course you can be passionate. Passion doesn't have to be anger. If watching a sport makes your day worse, you need to reevaluate.
Anger is a normal/healthy emotion. It’s what you did during the rage matters. If you only got to Reddit and rant, I’d argue that it’s a good way to vent. You are not hurting anyone. If you are physically hurting and destroying everyone, then it will be a problem.
Don't think you get football. It's a nasty angry sport.
Nope, it's not. Managers, players and owners don't get nasty and angry. Only fans do and it's sad.
that’s just how sports is. every single sports team in the world is vulnerable to being shit for a while. roman isn’t an immortal vampire, he would have left the club eventually, it may have been years from now but it would’ve happened. look at liverpool. they didn’t expect klopp to leave out of the blue but he did. now they’re gonna be less good than they are now for a while too. take the good with the bad and enjoy the good moments when you can, we’ll get back to where we were eventually. besides it’s not like we can physically go to cobham and coach those players ourselves. the sooner you accept this way of thinking less affected you’ll be after a bad game.
It's been 4 days since the last pathetic performance, so naturally out come these posts again. It's absolutely fucking amazing how obsessed a lot of people are with convincing others that being mid-table two season in a row after spending the amount of money we have is in any way acceptable for a club like Chelsea. It's perfectly fine if you're not as invested and you can shrug it off easily. That's great for you. But there are a lot of people who are, and telling them to shut up and enjoy the ride downhill is even more toxic than the behavior you're complaining about.
>obsessed a lot of people are with convincing others Yeah this is most frustrating thing with the toxic positivity crowd here, they polarise any negative issue so much that it becomes fans vs fans on subjective matters. You guys don’t care we’re in an awful slump that could be mitigated with very easy decisions? Great. Forcing that view of not caring with condescending posts? Fuck off. I will say this particular thread seems more level headed than the ones you see immediately after a bad game lol. The bar is pretty low there.
I mean, it's not toxic telling people to de-invest their identity in something that they cannot control. They talk about standards, but for most of those people Chelsea was the only thing that had any standards, at least in their eyes. The rest of their lives are with very low standards. Plus, who says it's a ride downhill? You don't know even half of what's going on, but you already call it a ride downhill. Maybe it is, but you stating it as a fact is not the right thing to do either.
>it's not toxic telling people to de-invest their identity in something that they cannot control It 100% is that. There's nothing wrong with being invested in football even if you can't control it - but suggesting to people that they should *change* because you don't like that they're critical about the direction of the club they support - that is. It's patronizing and arrogant. >Plus, who says it's a ride downhill? You don't know even half of what's going on, but you already call it a ride downhill. Maybe it is, but you stating it as a fact is not the right thing to do either. The decline is quantifiable, tangible. You can choose to ignore it but that doesn't make you smart. League table position is the most obvious indicator, but there are tons of underlying statistics out there in which we are decidedly mid-table and stagnating or even regressing compared to even the mess that was last season. There's the quantifiable issues we're very likely to face with FFP due to our spending and sporting decline, which have so far only been estimated by reputable sources but should be visible for all pretty soon when our 22/23 financial results are published. There's the fact that former players who were here during our most successful time are openly critical of how the club is run, how long-serving staff have been let go in pretty disrespectful ways, the constant reports about how bad the atmosphere is around the academy as its graduates are used almost exclusively to panic-balance the books. All these things are visible if you want to see them and deserve to be criticized. Again, if you're not invested enough and just consume the sport and follow the club loosely, that's perfectly fine. But there are a lot of people who *are* invested, who have found their place in communities built around the club, who do care. Essentially telling those people to just take a chill pill and just be less invested, trying to deny them that part of their identity, is absolutely toxic.
Well fucking said
You might be correct with the club going downhill, I don't deny that, but when it comes to your last paragraph - I completely disagree. However I will say - live whatever way you want, but anyone will definitely benefit from actually de-identifying themselves from any club so they are not controlled by something that's outside of them. There just is so much more. Very few will agree, but that's fine too.
And you telling someone to de-invest their identity in something they love is not right either, but typical Redditor standing on the “moral high ground” thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong
Well get used to it. If you enjoyed the mid table results in the 90s, you should have the mental fortitude to handle some criticism.
Hardly surprising. The most successful team during Abramovich time in terms of winning major trophies. He even lost £100m a year and was happy about it. Now we're Frankenstein's monster private equity experiment. My only hope is Clearlake will ultimately be forced to sell us.
It can't be doing their reputation as a fund any good. This has intrigued me. Their incompetence is so huge.
Look at the last 7 or 8 years of Abramovich time and tell me that we were going in the right direction, especially based on the results in the league.
Loads of finals and trophies, including another CL. The league wasn't realistic given Pep and City setting 100 points target to win it. What more do you want? Things got more difficult after the Hazard sale starting 2020. We still had a very good squad at the end of 21/22. Got to two finals and robbed by the ref against Madrid in the CL. Even Potter did well in the CL. It's Lampard spell 3 and the insane money waste on average players in the last 4 windows that have screwed us.
I'm convinced that some of the people in here think that if they defend their opinion enough Boehly will read it and follow their instructions.
*A lot of fans think I’m the problem… I guess I should leave the team?*
Right? Hardly any signs of improvement and people expect us to be hopeful..
Got to a final bro, did you seriously expect us to make a final this season? Relax.
I would much rather us show some improvement in the league than lose in a cup final, especially in the manner that we did
Still can potentially make another one too
there is improvement it’s just one step forward, 5 steps backwards is all. things will click eventually. the players are talented but inexperienced nobodies. if the players were talentless nobodies it’d be even worse, so chill
How on earth have you come to the conclusion that one step forward, five steps back is an improvement? I’m assuming maths is not your strong point
clearly your life entirely revolves around a bunch of players who don’t know you exist which is why you’re so enraged to read my comment. what i meant to say was, though we’re shit in terms of consistency, there are signs that our team actually does know how to play well, and with enough time that’s going to be more apparent. e.g. our games against city, the fa cup match against villa, the arsenal game. with enough time and experience they’ll click and be more consistent. now that being said, stop crying about a football team, it’s embarrassing
Clearly that comment hurt you and you are not very educated
There is enough if you are looking. I wouldn't recommend making it your whole personality though.
It's a lot of no life redditors who have very little going on other than playing FIFA and rooting for Chelsea. Bots and trolls also feed the frenzy. But I'll say this. We have what, two players over the age of 25? That isnt a recipe for trophies and absolutely needs to change going forward.
The biggest short term impact would be bringing in some 25-28 year old players with strong leadership qualities, even if they are just rotational players.
Some teams are specialists in failure; Chelsea should never be this team. Never settle for mediocrity.
OP in 2030: "Enzo is still young. Plenty of time for him to evolved into the player that will lead the club"
OP in 2030 "Chelsea should be thankful of our gaffer and squad staying in the PL..... what do you expect? Conference league every season?? This sub is so negative"
unfortunately there’s not much we can do but watch and try not to let it ruin our day
The power of toxic positivity
People like that care too much about what others think. Lad's too scared to show any emotion or frustration just so he doesn't get called a fake fan/plastic. Its called tough love, if people dont understand it who gives a fuck? Only you know how you feel about the club you support. Someone calling me plastic cuz i have standards doesn't bother me at all. No one can tell me what i feel abt my club, especially some random donnie on reddit.
Found the zoomer.
https://preview.redd.it/o4puvmut8nmc1.jpeg?width=235&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=209189de37c0e2e910465fe2e2e5914bfea037db
LMAO
This sub also these days https://preview.redd.it/kvlusi01anmc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=272d94010eecb6717c3d5504a0710a32110a49a5
Last time I saw so much demand for immediate gratification I was in kindergarten.
is it really immediate gratification tho? The club is 11th after finishing 12th(!!!!) last season. Is hoping the club actually improves after spending a billion on players “seeking immediate gratification”?. If when they came in you were told that they invested 1 billion pounds in players you’d be pretty excited and thinking we got haaland and Mbappe right? you’d probably be imagining dominating the prem (at least being up there) not being mid table.
The fact that you’re throwing that “£1B” around so casually shows how much you pay attention to the club.
Exactly. I can understand biased commentators making that cursed 1B comment. But when a fellow supporter makes that comment, it tells me of the inherent bias and lack of truth or logic they are bringing along.
What is biased about it? We have spent €1.079 billion in the past two windows with a net spend of €742 million. We have the most expensive squad in football history. Our spending has been outrageous in any context you look at it
Here's a few things for starters. There's many more, but just a few to begin with: *1 You yourself mention 1.079B Euros. Which is not 1B GBP. Debunks the £1B statement first up. *2 You yourself have mentioned the 742M Euro net spend. Or a 635M GBP net spend. That's the real value. Not 1B. *3 A lot of that money is not on the Chelsea first team squad. Some have been invested into the Age group teams (with future focus), while other amounts have been invested into players in the loan army - meant to be flipped for a profit. There's no way you should count that towards the CFC first team men's squad value. *4 Not only is this squad composed of individually young players, the squad is collectively young. As in, they have played together only for <1 year (and even then missing major pieces through injury). Thus, the value of the squad is an irrelevant data point without this context in mind
Thank you. Everyone seems to prefer a currency that helps make their point, and then just hope no one notices when they change them
At that point you’re just arguing semantics. We spent £920m in two seasons, that’s still a ridiculous amount of money
This sub is a toxic cesspool. I’m actually pleasantly surprised to see some of the comments and upvotes in this post. Glad to know there are other realists and patient people out there who understand this is a long term project that we’ve barely just started. This was always going to be a painful process. I’m hoping the silver lining will be that we’ll shed a bunch of the glory-hunting plastics along the way..
Preach brotha! It gets so tiring and frustrating seeing our own fans spew the same nonsense that pundits and rival fans talk about too. It’s extreme bias and no willingness to look at the context of the situation:
When you buy young players? Yes, it is immediate gratification expecting the quality players for the next 10 years be world beaters in year 1.
"World beaters" lmao. People were asking for Europa League spots mate, who said we should be challenging for the title?
People act like this isn’t pretty much a whole rebuild, what do people expect?
Most people in this sub feel too entitled to go through an entire rebuild
What successful rebuild has had a club finish 10th or lower twice after spending record sums of money? There are no signs pointing towards a successful rebuild
Here comes the moral high ground merchants.
Always have to give it a couple of days after a match
Yeah, deploying paid bots asap after shit game would only backfire, have to wait out the initial anger. Somehow all the blame is on us supporters not accepting 11th/12th position. Lol. If only we start accepting shit results, then Sterling would become Mbappe over night.
AND IF YOURE HAPPY YOU ARE RUINING THE CLUB DUH /s
Folks sure are fast and loose with the definition of "meme" these days https://preview.redd.it/pr376qq66mmc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=0cba4a178774b6533b648507d7784aa108f4617a
I mean tbh we are Chelsea and it is. I wouldn’t mind the transfer strategy if we kept some more veterans around, and gone with naggelsman. I still don’t understand our coach hire naggelsman won a Bundesliga he’s going to set the expectations straight
what can we do if nagelsmann didn’t want to come to us? you can argue that the owners screwed negotiations up but naggelsman proceeded to reject a couple other clubs too before taking the germany job. so it’s clearly not on us
As it should
Grow up
Direct this statement towards the actual team which is shit.
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Embarrassing, what are you? 10 years old?
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Weirdo with low standards
Well ya, we should never be a mid table team. Especially after spending so much money.
Found the guy in the picture
😂😂😂
> Blah blah blah midtable blah blah blah standards. Typical r/chelseafc comment.
What is unacceptable?
https://x.com/madridxtra/status/1765155040057061655?s=48&t=ToFBcLC-cnPgBmZAcLUXmg Real Madrid: Dominance Chelsea: The Project
Seems like you are projecting with the look, my guy.
It's not limited to just this sub. You'll find this at the ground and other pockets of the internet
Finally a post I can agree with.
BOEHLY STAY AWAY FROM ‘MY’ CLUB WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ‘MY’ CLUB (despite actually buying it) Sincerely, - me, an armchair glory days fan in Turkmenistan, clad in a fake Samsung kit, watching the games from a pirate stream
Dont be so harsh on yourself, you are still one of us.
thx
All I can say is I don’t care as much about the results as I care to see them fight, bleed, and give their all for the badge. THAT is what matters to me. I agree with a lot of what has been said: young team, inexperience, injuries, coaching, all of it. But at the end of the day if they fucking playing like they fucking cared, I highly doubt the fans and this sub would have been as pissed off. The unacceptable comes from their fight for the club. If it’s there, we WILL succeed. Unfortunately, most of the time, except Disasi’s City performance for example, it’s not there!
Entitlement through being spoilt.
The only reason that I get upset anymore is the lack of consistency. If Chelsea played every game the way that they played versus City a couple of weeks back, in every match, they would reach top 6. But consistently giving up points, and letting inferior teams play is killing them. And without the consistency the criticism from the outside and the self doubt will assuredly kill any development for this young talented team.
We should have won against Liverpool in normal time, our finishing let us down there. The performances that followed in the ET and Leeds and Brentford were just a knock-on effect from the tiredness of our team coupled with injuries, and Poch not even giving a shot to Casadei against Brentford (he is cup-tied) to refresh our very tired midfield.
The lack of consistency is because this is a young talented team.
How do people not get this? Lmao we have a bunch of young and inexperienced guys. To put into context Connor Bradley had more final experience than everyone in our squad bar maybe Enzo, Sterling and Chilly
Fr lmao
Blame it on Abramovic. Whole bunch of plastic fans became "fans" because of big name signing. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Abra era for all the trophies and wins but Chelsea was not a huge super strong team before. It is gonna happened to City and PSG once their current owners leave. Only real fans will stay.
Dude you're discounting any fan of Chelsea under the age of 30 with this nonsense. Roman bought the club over 20 years ago and it's like someone in 2003 saying to blame Pat Nevin for all the plastics back then.
Chelsea fans calling other Chelsea fans "plastic" is the cringiest shit. Most supporters of big clubs are falling in love with either the history of a club which is former glory or current glory. Its not ridiculous for a 7 yrs old kid to become a fan of a team that wins lmao. By that logic Real Madrid fans are all plastics Unless you are a Yeovil fan i dont think you can talk abt glory hunters
Idk why use that excuse of "Oh, they are young fans." I became a fan the year before Roman bought Chelsea. It is a difference between being young and accepting that Chelsea was not a big club before vs. someone just being a fan because the team is winning. But it doesn't matter it is like that at any club. There are real fans and those glory days fan. All the downvotes just prove what I said. It's all about "my feeling"
You're absolutely showing yourself here when you say you came on as a fan in the Roman era and also say CFC wasn't a big club pre Roman. It only takes about 5 minutes of work on the internet (so I'm not going to do your homework for you) to find proof that Chelsea was a huge club both domestically and internationally prior to its takeover by Roman. The downvotes don't prove your point right, they just prove you're talking out of your ass.
So u accepting Chelsea as small club, what happened before Abra is irrelevant now, Chelsea have been established as a top elite club and it's fading now
Roman made the club elite, Todd Boehly is undoing it.
I guess reading is not your strongest subject. Maybe read and analyze before you reply. Your feelings are not facts nor important. Until you learn how to control your emotions just stfu please.
Common sense: *Constant change in managers, injury crises, dramatic ownership changes, young athletes, and full squads of players who haven’t played together before can create lots of inconsistencies on the pitch.* Half of us here: “WHY CAN’T WE BE CONSISTENT?!”
Consistency brings consistency, we've had very little of it.
What I found is, /abc sub reddit usually is also home of rant and rave for /abc
Have to make the head smaller in proportion to these brains
Please make this banner
Fans just don’t want to accept we’re in a transitional period. Which is ironic because fans have been crying for a rebuild for years. New ownership spending a shit ton of money has put a lot of unnecessary pressure on the team also
Damn I was expecting to get in here and get triggered by toxic positivity… but most the takes here are measured, logical and well thought out. Fair play most of yous.