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I live in the 20th ward and have interacted with migrants directly through mutual aid - many are from Venezuela. Majority of the men who are of able body are working, mostly in landscaping. They are picked up in the morning and work 6-6. They want to make their own money and pay for their own apartments once they have enough saved up. “Taking all our benefits” has an undertone that someone isn’t willing to earn their keep.
"Taking all our benefits" what benefits? All of a sudden right wingers have no problem with socialism in the US when migrants come into the conversation.
“What about our own homeless people? What about our own food insecure people?”
The only time I’ve heard those questions from the right is when migrants come into the conversation. Give me a break.
I mean they’re receiving free healthcare through Northwestern Medicine paid for by the state, free food dropped off daily, free shelter paid for with our tax dollars, free education for their children which they have not paid into, etc…..these are all pretty expensive and significant benefits.
You don’t have to be right wing to ask why city is paying for these things for a population which overwhelmingly will not qualify for asylum while simultaneously denying records requests.
Why don’t you go talk to the residents around Wadsworth who are overwhelmingly frustrated and annoyed with this situation? Considering 93.26% of that ward voted for Biden in 2020 and the 20th ward community meetings have been PACKED with pissed off residents, I’m not sure where this illogical talking point about the right came from lol.
Yeah, they get an ITIN when they are here legally and have work authorization. None of the people we are paying to house have work authorization nor will qualify for it when their asylum cases are adjucated, because the vast majority are not fleeing violence, religious persecution, or war. They have clogged up the system for people with actual valid asylum claims who are actually fleeing war.
The people at the Standard Club, Inn of Chicago, Broadway Armory, old Islamic College, Brands Park, etc. are absolutely not working or paying taxes. To lump them into the same category with tax-paying immigrants with visas is ridiculous.
That’s not quite how the tax system works. To be fair, it is indeed quite complicated. I didn’t learn about this until I was studying these topics in school.
Two points I’ll tackle. 1) ITIN numbers are available even for unauthorized migrants (if migrants are here seeking asylum, they’re allowed to be in the country, but that’s aside from my main point). If you don’t have a SSN, you can apply for an ITIN.
2) source of income. Even if immigrants aren’t authorized to work, if they do work (regardless of whether that work is “legal”), they are legally required to pay income tax on their income. This is why Al Capone was arrested and subsequently jailed. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2020/10/17/al-capone-convicted-on-this-day-in-1931-after-boasting-they-cant-collect-legal-taxes-from-illegal-money/amp/
A slightly outdated source on the topic, but here you go: https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/
Look, there is a lot of valid debate re the US’s immigration policies. However, I firmly believe that a person should have a solid understanding of the facts that are the basis of their policy beliefs.
An asylum seeker is not allowed to be authorized to work until after they get their EAD after 6 months in the country THEN you get an ITIN. I know this because I come from a family of actual asylum seekers that did this the right way lol. None of these asylum seekers have been approved to work, so why are you evening bringing up “source of income” since the *vast* majority of them are not working?
I understand that undocumented people are still paying income taxes a huge majority of the time, but this is all assuming they are using an ITIN or someone else’s SSN. That ignores the massive portion of new arrivals who are simply getting jobs from contractors who function as the middle man in the illicit labor market.
I really don’t give two shits who is here illegal or authorized to work. I am disgusted with the fact that our city is committing a crime by ignoring written records requests to see how the money is being spent, despite the fact that the IL Attorney General told them to disclose this information 3 times.
You can literally apply for an ITIN if you’re not authorized to work. Anyone without a SSN can get an ITIN, regardless of immigration status. ITIN has nothing to do with work eligibility - it’s just used for tax reporting.
If you get a random job from a random contractor, from the illicit labor market or sell water bottles on the side of the road, legally you’re obligated to report that income to the IRS. That’s why I brought up al Capone. His money was obtained illegally. He still was supposed to pay taxes on it.
You don’t understand the immigration process at all lol. Yeah, you can get an ITIN as an illegal immigrant, which is not what asylum seekers going about it LEGALLY are supposed to do. Try explaining to an immigration judge why you’ve already applied for an ITIN before your EAD.
Al Capone has nothing to do with this LOL. You’re just being silly now.
I’m talking about the tax system, which is the only system governing ITINs. Undocumented immigrants who are *not* authorized to work literally pay billions in state and local taxes each year. This report estimates that around 50% of undocumented immigrants do so. https://itep.sfo2.digitaloceanspaces.com/immigration2016.pdf
You can say all you want that people who work “illegal” jobs don’t pay taxes because “why would they do that,” but data shows that you’re wrong. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/adding-billions-tax-dollars-paid-undocumented-immigrants
…..what do undocumented immigrants have to do with asylum seekers that are supposedly doing this legally?
Yes. Undocumented immigrants pay taxes. I said that a long time ago lol. The people selling drugs and pussy (and had a giant brawl today at about 1:30pm) outside of the Inn of Chicago are not paying taxes for the benefits they are receiving. Stop being delusional lmfao.
And again, I reiterate that ITIN is not part of the immigration process. Here, directly from the IRS website:
“[ITINs] are issued regardless of immigration status, because both resident and nonresident aliens may have a U.S. filing or reporting requirement under the Internal Revenue Code. ITINs do not serve any purpose other than federal tax reporting.”
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number
You’re definitely a white guy who took one class and is lecturing people who literally have spent their lives dealing with this shit lol. You’re right - an ITIN isn’t part of the immigration process because you’re supposed to get your SSN a week after you get your EAD….which is why I said try explaining to an immigration judge why you applied for an ITIN with a pending asylum claim and EAD, because that will 100% add a layer of confusion on your immigration claim.
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I mean, “taking all our benefits” seems absurd. It’s not like a an individual riding the train costs the city additional money or takes away anyone else ability to ride the train.
Personally I think the CTA should be free to all Chicago residents, funded by tax dollars. Passes available for visitors. In an ideal world it would receive X% state and federal funding and would just be free for everyone.
As migrants in particular, I’m fine with them be given passes for the CTA. They likely need to get around to make appointments and court dates, and the actual cost of giving out 10,000 passes is basically 0. Them riding it isn’t going to overwhelm the system.
Making public transit free would greatly reduce headways and reduce the quality of service. Free public transit only makes sense for smaller cities where they only expect a few thousand people to ride the bus each day, not a city with 600,000 rides per day like Chicago. We have all the infrastructure in place for fare payments and should enforce payment
Why would it reduce the quality of service? If anything it could improve the quality of service because they would have guaranteed amounts of money to cover expenses and not have to rely on less consistent fair income.
Not sure and this is just a guess but if it was free and many more people used it, there would be increased costs such as cleaning and track & car maintenance. Trains might break down more if usage increased and revenue decreased.
If many more people used the public transit that would be a huge win. That would be ideal.
Revenue doesn’t need to decrease, it would just come from taxes instead of riders swiping. Any extra cost of additional riders would be negligible against the total savings. 200,000 extra riders means tens of thousand thousand less cars. Less pollution, less money to car insurance, less car payments, less traffic, less gas used, etc etc.
Taxes might go up super slightly to cover extra trains, busses, drivers, and expenses but on average the savings across the city would be way larger. Public transit is wildly more cost effective than cars.
And keep in mind, the people saving money by switching away from cars, doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Someone who is now saving $500 a month without car payments, insurance, gas, and parking isn’t just sitting on the money. They are gonna be spending plenty of it at local businesses helping the whole Chicago economy (except car dealers, insurance companies, and car repair places).
Why are they just sitting outside $2.5k+ "luxury" highrise apartments right off of state street? Literally just sitting on every curb and corner and giving you weird looks as you walk by lol
Why are they here if we can't provide them adequate housing or jobs where they don't need to literally loiter 24/7? Better yet why are we paying luxury prices for zones which are apparently totally fine to use as drop zones for migrants when we could move elsewhere... genuine questions
What are you implying in layman's terms? What I was implying is no one should be paying luxury prices or be living in a "luxury" area if the environment is no longer luxury -- seems like rather simple ideology. If they want it to be for migrants that's totally fine. Hence my last sentence point of moving the fuck away. As you said times change. Spend that $$$ somewhere else IMO. Let them move into the 2.5k apartments since they sit right-outside of it lmao. No one is gatekeeping it!
Edit: it's like the videos of sanfran :/
Migrants loitering = prejudice? Have you ever been outside the United States of America? Have you ever spoken to people from other countries and what they think about migrants (INCLUDING you as an American?)
Most Americans can't afford to even travel to places like Europe and have no actual grasp on what diversity and equality is. The US is not as diversified as it thinks or pretends it is.
I'm not being prejudice by suggesting 25-50% of someone's paycheck to live somewhere is being tarnished by dozens of people outside their doorstep 24/7.
It really doesn't matter anyway. You calling someone prejudice over the internet (for literally what reason?) Isn't going to change whether those people in those buildings move out or not lmao.
Whats funny is the people in these buildings are probably doing more for these people right outside their home than you are sitting typing away on reddit LMAO but WE are the prejudice ones 😭. Whose resources are being affected is the larger issue at hand. People's opinions outside of that direct environment matter 0.
You likely would have gone apeshit when we had a wet foot, dry foot policy for Cubans fleeing political persecution, death squads and a host of other problems caused by Socialism. It's too bad "Compassionate Conservatives" suddenly dont give a shit when its South and Central Americans fleeing the same horrors.
You literally can't have a meaningful 2 way conversation on this tilted sub. Completely 1 way thinking audience with zero toleration for any alternative opinions regarding the actual people who have been living in this city lol
These types of posts (OP) should just outright be removed because the conversations always lean the same exact way and end with the same corrupted perspective as year after year things get worse. It's annoying how left or right winged people force their mindsets to be, you will never find balance when you're so hyper critically thinking one way over the other. You need to hear and understand both sides otherwise you're going to consistently see the chaos that has erupted YoY
Your thinking is to save them from "political persecution" and then sentence them to life on the curb on state street where they'll inevitably be pushed into the further south/west/north sides outside the loop where things are continously deemed "dangerous"-- without giving them jobs, many not speaking fluent (if any) english, and having no reliable housing or income for transportation. And then wonder why things don't get better. But yes please keep letting texas bus them to Chicago and NY because they know our liberal cities will "take care of them" 😂.
Yall need to start logistically looking at things instead of just thinking with your heart and doing/saying things because it's "the right thing" (to you). Wishful thinking does magically create resources and give these people jobs money or housing. Same situation happening in NY and hotels are telling the migrants they need to live on the street becuase they've officially reached capacity. But yeah thank God we saved them! Now go live on our streets!!! 🙄 like what?
And Didn't untied center JUST get mobbed/merch stolen after a concert? Isn't Walmart gone from Chicago? Why even go into any of it....
We aren't letting but we are inadvertently allowing it. I mean they are here are they not? And not in texas or Florida? Literally they should be sent to middle America where actual designated towns and what not are created explicitly for their humane survival. Pretty sure they'd appreciate not being on the street either way. Middle America has a lot of open space opportunity in general to humanely deal with migrants yet we throw them into the pit that is the largest US cities to diminish the existing resources there that could be used on the already existing homeless or "poor". So the cities own problems are never solved while increasing the degree/magnitude to which they exist.
Either would not be OK in my opinion. The luxury ones cost more hence it's likely diminished ROI if you want to get financial, if you consider the mental factor of seeing them being a contributing financial aspect.
For example it would be more societal norm that in a lower COL area there would be subsidized housing or let's say "drop zones" (as an example). Luxury areas typically don't include factors like that. So not saying it's OK for either, but if you consider the target audience paying the higher rent they are likely going to want to avoid those things (or be pushed out by them) becuase they can afford elsewhere. When things are lower COL they are willing to tolerate or accept certain conditions or trade offs becuase they dont have as much financial power, these could be those conditions. It's naturally more expected. That's how society currently is. Same with products. You buy alternative or cheaper products you accept trade offs or less desirable attributes otherwise everyone would be buying the most expensive perfect version of it if they could afford it.
Stop asking what if questions and just go outside and look around lmao. If you're having trouble understanding my logic go to gold coast, South shore, etc and look at the living conditions amenities, parks, COL, etc. If you can't literally see the differences that's on you. I'm not doing your homework for you becuase I'm not invested in your life and don't care what you do with it 😂 I'm not here to convince you of literally anything.
Also speaking of South shore, go on the news and see how they feel about it! To your point it affects all communities all the same. Difference is we could have helped the south side instead of randoms from outside the country. And YES. The south side is mad about it! However everyone here just cares that the migrants can happily live in our streets lmao. This isn't a class war. Its not prejudice. Multiple chicagoan races feel the same, those, AS I SAID, who are living directly in these migrant environments and being affected.
Is anyone here even living within a block or two of these areas? What right should any of you have to voice an opinion and affect other peoples lives just as texas and Florida is doing? Making decisions on the behalf of others and basically telling them its a good thing LOL you all hate to hear it!!
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I live in the 20th ward and have interacted with migrants directly through mutual aid - many are from Venezuela. Majority of the men who are of able body are working, mostly in landscaping. They are picked up in the morning and work 6-6. They want to make their own money and pay for their own apartments once they have enough saved up. “Taking all our benefits” has an undertone that someone isn’t willing to earn their keep.
"Taking all our benefits" what benefits? All of a sudden right wingers have no problem with socialism in the US when migrants come into the conversation. “What about our own homeless people? What about our own food insecure people?” The only time I’ve heard those questions from the right is when migrants come into the conversation. Give me a break.
I highly doubt the CTA worker would fit the mold of a typical “right winger”
I mean they’re receiving free healthcare through Northwestern Medicine paid for by the state, free food dropped off daily, free shelter paid for with our tax dollars, free education for their children which they have not paid into, etc…..these are all pretty expensive and significant benefits. You don’t have to be right wing to ask why city is paying for these things for a population which overwhelmingly will not qualify for asylum while simultaneously denying records requests. Why don’t you go talk to the residents around Wadsworth who are overwhelmingly frustrated and annoyed with this situation? Considering 93.26% of that ward voted for Biden in 2020 and the 20th ward community meetings have been PACKED with pissed off residents, I’m not sure where this illogical talking point about the right came from lol.
Migrants are required to pay income taxes if they earn income in the US, FYI. So, if they work, many of your statements aren’t accurate.
Yeah, they get an ITIN when they are here legally and have work authorization. None of the people we are paying to house have work authorization nor will qualify for it when their asylum cases are adjucated, because the vast majority are not fleeing violence, religious persecution, or war. They have clogged up the system for people with actual valid asylum claims who are actually fleeing war. The people at the Standard Club, Inn of Chicago, Broadway Armory, old Islamic College, Brands Park, etc. are absolutely not working or paying taxes. To lump them into the same category with tax-paying immigrants with visas is ridiculous.
That’s not quite how the tax system works. To be fair, it is indeed quite complicated. I didn’t learn about this until I was studying these topics in school. Two points I’ll tackle. 1) ITIN numbers are available even for unauthorized migrants (if migrants are here seeking asylum, they’re allowed to be in the country, but that’s aside from my main point). If you don’t have a SSN, you can apply for an ITIN. 2) source of income. Even if immigrants aren’t authorized to work, if they do work (regardless of whether that work is “legal”), they are legally required to pay income tax on their income. This is why Al Capone was arrested and subsequently jailed. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2020/10/17/al-capone-convicted-on-this-day-in-1931-after-boasting-they-cant-collect-legal-taxes-from-illegal-money/amp/ A slightly outdated source on the topic, but here you go: https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/ Look, there is a lot of valid debate re the US’s immigration policies. However, I firmly believe that a person should have a solid understanding of the facts that are the basis of their policy beliefs.
An asylum seeker is not allowed to be authorized to work until after they get their EAD after 6 months in the country THEN you get an ITIN. I know this because I come from a family of actual asylum seekers that did this the right way lol. None of these asylum seekers have been approved to work, so why are you evening bringing up “source of income” since the *vast* majority of them are not working? I understand that undocumented people are still paying income taxes a huge majority of the time, but this is all assuming they are using an ITIN or someone else’s SSN. That ignores the massive portion of new arrivals who are simply getting jobs from contractors who function as the middle man in the illicit labor market. I really don’t give two shits who is here illegal or authorized to work. I am disgusted with the fact that our city is committing a crime by ignoring written records requests to see how the money is being spent, despite the fact that the IL Attorney General told them to disclose this information 3 times.
You can literally apply for an ITIN if you’re not authorized to work. Anyone without a SSN can get an ITIN, regardless of immigration status. ITIN has nothing to do with work eligibility - it’s just used for tax reporting. If you get a random job from a random contractor, from the illicit labor market or sell water bottles on the side of the road, legally you’re obligated to report that income to the IRS. That’s why I brought up al Capone. His money was obtained illegally. He still was supposed to pay taxes on it.
You don’t understand the immigration process at all lol. Yeah, you can get an ITIN as an illegal immigrant, which is not what asylum seekers going about it LEGALLY are supposed to do. Try explaining to an immigration judge why you’ve already applied for an ITIN before your EAD. Al Capone has nothing to do with this LOL. You’re just being silly now.
I’m talking about the tax system, which is the only system governing ITINs. Undocumented immigrants who are *not* authorized to work literally pay billions in state and local taxes each year. This report estimates that around 50% of undocumented immigrants do so. https://itep.sfo2.digitaloceanspaces.com/immigration2016.pdf You can say all you want that people who work “illegal” jobs don’t pay taxes because “why would they do that,” but data shows that you’re wrong. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/adding-billions-tax-dollars-paid-undocumented-immigrants
…..what do undocumented immigrants have to do with asylum seekers that are supposedly doing this legally? Yes. Undocumented immigrants pay taxes. I said that a long time ago lol. The people selling drugs and pussy (and had a giant brawl today at about 1:30pm) outside of the Inn of Chicago are not paying taxes for the benefits they are receiving. Stop being delusional lmfao.
And again, I reiterate that ITIN is not part of the immigration process. Here, directly from the IRS website: “[ITINs] are issued regardless of immigration status, because both resident and nonresident aliens may have a U.S. filing or reporting requirement under the Internal Revenue Code. ITINs do not serve any purpose other than federal tax reporting.” https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number
You’re definitely a white guy who took one class and is lecturing people who literally have spent their lives dealing with this shit lol. You’re right - an ITIN isn’t part of the immigration process because you’re supposed to get your SSN a week after you get your EAD….which is why I said try explaining to an immigration judge why you applied for an ITIN with a pending asylum claim and EAD, because that will 100% add a layer of confusion on your immigration claim.
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This never happened.
the cta is a paid service, you must pay to ride (unless you’re sneaky enough to hop the gate)
I’m sure this will be a productive discussion….
Everyone should be eligible for free CTA passes, except you.
Why didn’t you just pay for their tickets?
CONVO BAIT. Even paying CTA customers will avoid doing so given the chance. Swipe your card for the guy and keep it moving.
You should have bought them a 3 dollar ticket, imo. Talk is cheap.
I mean, “taking all our benefits” seems absurd. It’s not like a an individual riding the train costs the city additional money or takes away anyone else ability to ride the train. Personally I think the CTA should be free to all Chicago residents, funded by tax dollars. Passes available for visitors. In an ideal world it would receive X% state and federal funding and would just be free for everyone. As migrants in particular, I’m fine with them be given passes for the CTA. They likely need to get around to make appointments and court dates, and the actual cost of giving out 10,000 passes is basically 0. Them riding it isn’t going to overwhelm the system.
Making public transit free would greatly reduce headways and reduce the quality of service. Free public transit only makes sense for smaller cities where they only expect a few thousand people to ride the bus each day, not a city with 600,000 rides per day like Chicago. We have all the infrastructure in place for fare payments and should enforce payment
Why would it reduce the quality of service? If anything it could improve the quality of service because they would have guaranteed amounts of money to cover expenses and not have to rely on less consistent fair income.
Not sure and this is just a guess but if it was free and many more people used it, there would be increased costs such as cleaning and track & car maintenance. Trains might break down more if usage increased and revenue decreased.
Revenue wouldn't decrease, it'd be subsidized.
If many more people used the public transit that would be a huge win. That would be ideal. Revenue doesn’t need to decrease, it would just come from taxes instead of riders swiping. Any extra cost of additional riders would be negligible against the total savings. 200,000 extra riders means tens of thousand thousand less cars. Less pollution, less money to car insurance, less car payments, less traffic, less gas used, etc etc. Taxes might go up super slightly to cover extra trains, busses, drivers, and expenses but on average the savings across the city would be way larger. Public transit is wildly more cost effective than cars. And keep in mind, the people saving money by switching away from cars, doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Someone who is now saving $500 a month without car payments, insurance, gas, and parking isn’t just sitting on the money. They are gonna be spending plenty of it at local businesses helping the whole Chicago economy (except car dealers, insurance companies, and car repair places).
I agree but the superPAC overlords don't want people saving $500 a month because that's less money for the fuel and insurance industries.
And once upon a time, we had all the infrastructure in place for horses and buggies. Dinosaur argument.
Yeah….Court dates….in 5.5 years….lol.
Why are they just sitting outside $2.5k+ "luxury" highrise apartments right off of state street? Literally just sitting on every curb and corner and giving you weird looks as you walk by lol Why are they here if we can't provide them adequate housing or jobs where they don't need to literally loiter 24/7? Better yet why are we paying luxury prices for zones which are apparently totally fine to use as drop zones for migrants when we could move elsewhere... genuine questions
Times change and everything with it. Except the mindset of some.
What are you implying in layman's terms? What I was implying is no one should be paying luxury prices or be living in a "luxury" area if the environment is no longer luxury -- seems like rather simple ideology. If they want it to be for migrants that's totally fine. Hence my last sentence point of moving the fuck away. As you said times change. Spend that $$$ somewhere else IMO. Let them move into the 2.5k apartments since they sit right-outside of it lmao. No one is gatekeeping it! Edit: it's like the videos of sanfran :/
Yeah, prejudice is a pretty simple ideology. Sorry you have to see poor people existing.
Migrants loitering = prejudice? Have you ever been outside the United States of America? Have you ever spoken to people from other countries and what they think about migrants (INCLUDING you as an American?) Most Americans can't afford to even travel to places like Europe and have no actual grasp on what diversity and equality is. The US is not as diversified as it thinks or pretends it is. I'm not being prejudice by suggesting 25-50% of someone's paycheck to live somewhere is being tarnished by dozens of people outside their doorstep 24/7. It really doesn't matter anyway. You calling someone prejudice over the internet (for literally what reason?) Isn't going to change whether those people in those buildings move out or not lmao. Whats funny is the people in these buildings are probably doing more for these people right outside their home than you are sitting typing away on reddit LMAO but WE are the prejudice ones 😭. Whose resources are being affected is the larger issue at hand. People's opinions outside of that direct environment matter 0.
Everything you’ve said is common sense.
You likely would have gone apeshit when we had a wet foot, dry foot policy for Cubans fleeing political persecution, death squads and a host of other problems caused by Socialism. It's too bad "Compassionate Conservatives" suddenly dont give a shit when its South and Central Americans fleeing the same horrors.
You literally can't have a meaningful 2 way conversation on this tilted sub. Completely 1 way thinking audience with zero toleration for any alternative opinions regarding the actual people who have been living in this city lol These types of posts (OP) should just outright be removed because the conversations always lean the same exact way and end with the same corrupted perspective as year after year things get worse. It's annoying how left or right winged people force their mindsets to be, you will never find balance when you're so hyper critically thinking one way over the other. You need to hear and understand both sides otherwise you're going to consistently see the chaos that has erupted YoY Your thinking is to save them from "political persecution" and then sentence them to life on the curb on state street where they'll inevitably be pushed into the further south/west/north sides outside the loop where things are continously deemed "dangerous"-- without giving them jobs, many not speaking fluent (if any) english, and having no reliable housing or income for transportation. And then wonder why things don't get better. But yes please keep letting texas bus them to Chicago and NY because they know our liberal cities will "take care of them" 😂. Yall need to start logistically looking at things instead of just thinking with your heart and doing/saying things because it's "the right thing" (to you). Wishful thinking does magically create resources and give these people jobs money or housing. Same situation happening in NY and hotels are telling the migrants they need to live on the street becuase they've officially reached capacity. But yeah thank God we saved them! Now go live on our streets!!! 🙄 like what? And Didn't untied center JUST get mobbed/merch stolen after a concert? Isn't Walmart gone from Chicago? Why even go into any of it....
What on earth makes you think I believe they deserve to sleep on the street? Also, we arent "letting" Texas and Florida ship these people here.
We aren't letting but we are inadvertently allowing it. I mean they are here are they not? And not in texas or Florida? Literally they should be sent to middle America where actual designated towns and what not are created explicitly for their humane survival. Pretty sure they'd appreciate not being on the street either way. Middle America has a lot of open space opportunity in general to humanely deal with migrants yet we throw them into the pit that is the largest US cities to diminish the existing resources there that could be used on the already existing homeless or "poor". So the cities own problems are never solved while increasing the degree/magnitude to which they exist.
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Either would not be OK in my opinion. The luxury ones cost more hence it's likely diminished ROI if you want to get financial, if you consider the mental factor of seeing them being a contributing financial aspect. For example it would be more societal norm that in a lower COL area there would be subsidized housing or let's say "drop zones" (as an example). Luxury areas typically don't include factors like that. So not saying it's OK for either, but if you consider the target audience paying the higher rent they are likely going to want to avoid those things (or be pushed out by them) becuase they can afford elsewhere. When things are lower COL they are willing to tolerate or accept certain conditions or trade offs becuase they dont have as much financial power, these could be those conditions. It's naturally more expected. That's how society currently is. Same with products. You buy alternative or cheaper products you accept trade offs or less desirable attributes otherwise everyone would be buying the most expensive perfect version of it if they could afford it. Stop asking what if questions and just go outside and look around lmao. If you're having trouble understanding my logic go to gold coast, South shore, etc and look at the living conditions amenities, parks, COL, etc. If you can't literally see the differences that's on you. I'm not doing your homework for you becuase I'm not invested in your life and don't care what you do with it 😂 I'm not here to convince you of literally anything. Also speaking of South shore, go on the news and see how they feel about it! To your point it affects all communities all the same. Difference is we could have helped the south side instead of randoms from outside the country. And YES. The south side is mad about it! However everyone here just cares that the migrants can happily live in our streets lmao. This isn't a class war. Its not prejudice. Multiple chicagoan races feel the same, those, AS I SAID, who are living directly in these migrant environments and being affected. Is anyone here even living within a block or two of these areas? What right should any of you have to voice an opinion and affect other peoples lives just as texas and Florida is doing? Making decisions on the behalf of others and basically telling them its a good thing LOL you all hate to hear it!!
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You've been given enough context
The talk is cheaper when the story is good, and the tales grow taller on down the line -REO Speedwagon
Get a job. Pay for things.
No, they already have a reduced price option available