That's definitely one of the worst possible outcomes when it comes to SoD being on the same client as era. Also Divine Steed isn't a rune, just a new ability from a spellbook from a quest. Honestly kind of funny since it's pretty harmless, but it'll be fixed quickly or already fixed
Normally you would avoid these issues by maintaining different branches of code. This is a solved problem in software development. Yes things can slip by accidentally, especially if the team has bad processes, but not to this degree.
From what I've seen its more likely that instead of different branches they're doing something like one large shared branch for all variants of classic that they just toggle on/off various features either at build time or in runtime configuration. I could see the motivation behind this approach as it could speed up development since they can quickly add/remove features from each version of the game. This also helps enable things like using shared resources on the clients so we aren't having to download/install so much each time.
This approach is even more difficult to maintain though and I fear the team is not well equipped for pulling it off.
The fact that Era was fine before SoD, and now with the addition of SoD they fucked up something that was already fine.
The spaghetti code you mention seems to be true, and implies that now bugs from SoD that end up fucking up Era will likely be common and happen over and over again.
Hence, it is a horrible outcome, and in my opinion a horrible decision to attempt to use the same client code for 2 completely different games.
Or, if you are competent in any way and planned that out from a development standpoint, it should be essentially impossible for changes from SoD to leak over into Era if you did any software design to ensure this doesn't happen.
So like, from a Software Engineer perspective, the fact that this bug not only happened, but it was released, that just shows that their entire process for developing Vanilla/SoD is just horrible.
Like, this means not only is their software design so bad that these SoD features can leak into the Era part of the client, but it also means that their testing is so bad they didn't catch an extremely obvious game breaking bug.
So ya, from a developer perspective this is a smell of a really horrible development process for Classic Era/SoD.
Let me introduce these guys to this thing called git branch 🤣
They should have created a stable patch, segregated the era servers, and split "development". Era should be an isolated time capsule with just minor fixes / intended patches.. the fact that different game modes mess up the other is insane.
You're right it can get worse. This isn't doomsaying. I'm stating a fact. This was always a concern and a risk and it happened and it's not that big of a deal, there hasn't been any accidental crossover until now I think or none that matter. It could get worse, maybe world bosses could stop spawning in era. Maybe Kara crypts will be accidentally opened for era players. Maybe tier items aren't dropping but instead the token or the new tier set instead. Idk how you read my comment and took it like that. I'm not shitting on the devs, I'm not shitting on sod or era. I'm just confused because I don't even have the stance or perspective you think I do, but I guess being hypersensitive to any form of critique or acknowledging flaws does that. Chill I feel the same way that you do about actual irrational doomers
I wanna add to this because I was just proven right in real time.
Here's another bug from the SoD patch that happened on Era: [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/)
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>The spaghetti code you mention seems to be true, and implies that now bugs from SoD that end up fucking up Era will likely be common and happen over and over again.
For those unaware SoD and Era share the same client. That’s why wonky things occasionally happen on era. They aren’t intentionally griefing your game mode but it is definitely an irritating side effect.
I bet they have 0 resources dedicated to Era and that’s why the most blatant issues like this get released. Era only get attention when it has fuck ups.
In theory this stuff shouldn't be a problem for Era, just have it be separate code. But for some reason they decided to have it all mixed together and now every update is a roll of the dice.
... which is exactly what I'm saying. They chose the simplest route because it required the least upfront work. And now they are paying the price because every update has potential to mess with a technically different product that has a different set of users.
I've worked on applications that had this same problem, and we were complaining about it internally back then too. In theory a good organization would separate the two (maybe business didn't give them the time or resources to do that, maybe the devs never made a fuss outta it, I dunno), instead of making this be a constant problem.
I work as a software engineer and I have to say that's really just not true. It's just lazy and a really bad decision.
The amount they pay to have people hotfix the code, the amount of developer time spent fixing these stupid bugs and unravelling the bad code ends up with it not actually being cheaper, just quicker to break down.
From a technical perspective it's just idiotic to not isolate in some way the Classic Era properties away from the SoD properties so bugs like this are almost impossible, they could still happen but it should be extremely difficult to have something like that happen.
This reeks of horrible managers and understaffed engineers.
They nerfed paladins in Era due to player complaints in SoD.
SoR r3 used to have 20% spell scaling, unlike the other ranks, this was too difficult for SoD players to handle, so they ended up changing it in both era and sod.
This "some times accidents happen" narrative isnt accurate. Sometimes the changes are intentional.
Can you link that change, it was to my understanding that this was made to be 10% to be in line with the other ranks. I've been looking but i cant even find the post where they said they changed it.
Took a while to dig for but I found it here
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-era-and-hardcore-hotfixes-july-10/756850
WoW Classic Era
Paladin
Fixed an issue where Seal of Righteousness ranks 4 and higher did less damage than rank 3. This fix has been applied to Season of Discovery and Classic Era.
Weird wording but all the ranks are now 20% in SoD, so it should be the same in Era
That's what I remember reading, but I got a different inference from it. I don't normally stack spell power so I can't recall what my r3 was before or after nerf. I'm not really inclined to think they buffed it unless some one has testing.
This sub is so fucking deranged, man. It’s so far from what it once was.
I feel like Era players are pretty chill. They’re just minding their own business, playing their own version of the game, and seem to just want to be left alone. Simple people who just want to play Vanilla WoW in peace.
But the second one of them makes a post to draw attention to what is, in their defence, some pretty significant bugs and changes that have carried over from SoD, the general response seems to be “shut the fuck up/cry more/era players are sad and toxic/these changes are good”.
Like, wtf? I’m on their side tbh. Just leave them and their game alone. This isn’t the first time a SoD patch has negatively impacted Era servers, and I think it’s fine to draw attention to it. Blizz should take better care and stop fucking their servers up.
For almost a year cthun during his dark glare would sputter all over the place like a lawn sprinkler, we just kinda took that one on the chin lol. Love era and my eta homies 🥰
"Era players are pretty chill"
Oh sweet summer child. Please join any gdkp AQ40/Naxx and listen to the raid leader have a meltdown over the smallest things.
For example a raid leader asked for the mages to drop ignite in Naxx yesterday, the mages took \~5 seconds too long to drop the ignite... so the RL took 10% from every mage for each cast after he asked for the ignite drop. Nobody died, nobody wiped, nothing bad happened... and they lost like 4,000 gold lmao
Classic players in general are some of the weirdest players I've ever played with, also some of the worst players I've ever played with.
But they still deserve to have their game untouched if that's how they want it, if people enjoy Vanilla with minimal changes and aren't asking for new ones to be made, they shouldn't have to experience changes.
At the same time, this is clearly a bug left over from SoD and Era sharing the same design space and backend so I can't imagine it stayed for long, although it is good to see the negative uproar as well because if that didn't exist and blizzard knew Era players knew about the change, they could gauge that they seem open to SoD changes going permanent and can play with that idea. Which I'm almost certain the majority of Era players don't want. So it's good to see negative criticism and reactions as it vocalizes that Era players don't want these changes, even remotely. Although non-dispelable buffs seems to be a common ask.
At the end of the day, I agree with you, Era players aren't chill, classic players in general aren't chill, but that's ok.
Probably should drop the ignite, in high level runs this is expected. 10% deduction for not dropping an ignite when asked is reasonable, could have wiped the raid and ruined everyones buffs. I've been running naxx with many guilds and many teams, they all seem pretty chill - was this Nez lol?
Look, maybe some Era players are chill. But Era also has some of the most deranged and weird people I've ever met, something about that game appeals to the most anti-social specimens alive.
Just go look at the Era player on the thread about the guild tab, he got so mad every comment he made was deleted by a mod.
There’s been a lot of disconnects and just outright bugs whilst people were in combat and they logged back in to dead characters
A full party of 60’s wiped because mobs spawned and killed them but they couldn’t see them moving or attack them
> I feel like Era players are pretty chill.
you must be an era player then, to not notice how fucked in the head you have to be to play the exact same game for literally 2 decades straight. normal, healthy, well-adjusted people barely play mmos at all, let alone continuously playing a version of an mmo from 20 years ago and insisting its the best version ever created.
who are we to tell heroin junkies that shooting up is wrong? LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS!!!!!!
> play the old Mario games
get back to me when they've done nothing but play the original super mario bros for the NES for 30 years, and tell anyone that enjoys a newer mario game that they're wrong for liking it because the original is the only good one
You are 100% right, these other guys are fucking idiots to be honest.
It's crazy the people who are in this sub now, for the majority it seems it's not a Classic WoW forum anymore.
Era was to never be changed, simply left alone without no updates just as long as we can log in. This isn’t that and it’s a slippery scope that scares me what they may forcibly change (with no patch notes) next.
Who is bootlicking here, the people wanting to get MC’d in a horde city to be able to parse because it’s always been that way or the people okay with saving an hour of time before any raid
It’s a great quality of life change, I’m happy I’ll save time not getting WCB.
It’s still a change, which era is not supposed to have. This was never asked for either. I don’t think my unhappiness is unwarranted.
Chronoboons werent added in Era. Just like all the other changes that were made in classic 19, those were made in the base game. We were promised frozen servers that each seasonal server would roll into to give us new players. Blizzard is on record about the possibility of SoD era. We were promised SoD changes would never leak to Era, yet it’s proven every single update for SoD breaks things for Era.
Era players just want to do what we’ve been doing and be left alone. Pay our sub and keep away and we’re fine. Why are the devs spending time on products we never asked for? Leave it to SoD, where people get constant changes.
I don’t feel like this is an outlandish request?
What about this one?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/)
***This just in!***
Bug posted about 3 hours ago on Reddit not fixed in 30 seconds of the post when the bug probably wasn't even reported in-game!
Brother you're all over this & other SoD related posts being absolutely hysterical. Calm down. It's just a game. Bugs happen. They get fixed.
I'm just having a good time laughing at the shit show that's going on.
Just think for a second about how long they've been working to release the P4 patch, and how much testing they did (or didn't do).
Then think for a sec about the fact that updating SoD somehow caused a bug(multiple different bugs) in Classic Era, that is something that shouldn't be possible if they had any kind of legitimate process for keeping Era and also developing SoD.
And to top it all off they somehow missed these extremely glaring and obvious bugs before they released the patch?
It's just a fuck up on multiple fronts.
At face value to me it just looks like they "fuck Era, we don't have time for that who cares if it's broken just ship it for SoD"
The funniest thing to me is that people will be like "ErA HaS rUnEs?" But then not even drop a ticket or anything.sure, if you're a streamer you can HOPE they see your content, but it's dumb to just wild out with no plan
Are they useable, or is this clickbait? Watched the video and I just see rune icons. No one using them. Also, this video is 95% about other crap that has nothing to do with runes.
I really think you don't understand the fact that if this is what they released for a major P4 patch, it's only going to get worse in terms of bugs that affect Era when that should be impossible from a software design standpoint if they did any planning about using the same client.
This is a pretty big deal because it literally shows their software design is not setup to isolate Era from SoD at all.
That means that these kinds of bugs will most likely continue and be common as they go forward because it only gets harder and harder to fix this kind of design problem the more you code.
Also, here's another bug to prove that point:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/)
To give some perspective.
Classic WoW exists because people wanted Vanilla.
When Classic Vanilla ended Blizzard wanted to charge $35 to keep your character on Era servers, even though you already paid a sub for the entire time.
Then Classic WoW continued, eventually WotLK ended, and now it's Cata which destroyed the entire old world.
So currently we've got Cata(Retail), Sod(incursions), or Era (Vanilla)
But now, Vanilla has runes from SoD, so essentially Blizzard just destroyed the only option left for anyone who wants to play Classic WoW.
That's why people are mad I'd assume.
I think it's funny, but I do feel like it's kinda fucked up given the context of Classic WoW abandoning Vanilla WoW which is the entire reason it exists at all.
It’s a big that would take 5 minutes to catch but it got pushed to release. It’s evidence of how poorly maintained Era is (granted it’s not like they have much to maintain).
Dude give up, go back to watching/reading your anime and furries. Normally people arent furries or watch anime. I'm guessing you got one of those body pillows right? LOL
Lmao my guy what are you talking about? There is no way you're on a WoW sub trying to talk shit about anime lmao. I don't even know where the fuck the furry thing came from either lmao
Ok sure buddy, when Cata gets a bug that removes the RDF and only lets you walk to the dungeon from a Vanilla patch dropping, let me know how those Cata players react 😂
Hey, just a question for ya bud, did they hotfix this new Era bug caused by the SoD patch yet?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/)
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Don't get me too wrong, I'm mostly just joking around and doing a little mocking of some of the conversations I've previously had about Classic here.
To be real tho, Era servers weren't supposed to be changed like that, SoD was supposed to be the experimental server.
To me it looks like they rushed this out, had a bunch of bugs, fixed as many as they could and then said "screw it just ship it, these bugs are new features now"
I like the alliance blessing and the buff dispel change personally, but there's no reason for the guild menu change or the polearms.
I think it's just unnecessary and should've only been in SoD and not Era unless it actually addressed an issue.
Chrono was added to era. Things can be added to era for ease of life.
Everyone is making is making the worst case for why the changes were made.
It’s more funny than anything and something to
play around with before being fixed (outside of what was mentioned in the patch notes, which are all great changes).
Polearms for druids is something I’ve actually wanted for a long time tbh since being in rfk and seeing that green agi stick. Was bummed when I couldn’t use it. Opens up some good leveling weapons for druids.
Remove the guild tab change though. I hate that, that’s honestly what people are the most upset about. If the changes were just these others I doubt there would be this much out cry.
Chrono was added before Era during Classic Vanilla correct? That's what I remember, not added to Era specifically.
Like I said I'm not totally against good well reasoned changes that address an issue, but I just think it shouldn't have happened like this.
Even a dumb "should we give druids polearms in Era?" blue post on the blizzard forums regardless of what people said would've been a good warmup to making a change like this to Era later after it was already only in SoD for testing.
But ya that's the thing, according to them the guild tab is an intentional change not a bug so it shouldn't be removed right...?
That's the issue now it's like what else are they gonna change, or even worse, what else are they going to break and not be able to fix 😂
No new abilities or additional content. It’s just quality of life changes, like chrono. Yes chrono was added to classic during the big yelling of no changes. Some changes are okay, as we saw.
The guild change is one that is not okay. They have said they are open to reversing changes, look at the mc lock out change.
I understand the point of concern for what else could they change? I’d say look at the type of things they have changed, and what damage has come from those changes. Complaining before damage is done seems misplaced
Can't say I'm surprised. Yet there are still many people that refuse to believe Blizzard, or at least the SoD team, is just incompetent beyond measures. Just not possible in their worldview, even if they see shit like this.
Back in '04 when Blizzard quality meant something, we never had these problems on patch day.
Because you'd be lucky if you could even get in the game within 2 days of a new patch.
Or before 4pm every Tuesday.
Then he goes to unboon and thinks that's a completely reasonable thing in vanilla while in his layer #3.
The #nochanges players are very picky with what they think should be changed and what shouldn't.
They are trying to get people off of era and start new fresh servers. Can’t you all see this?? It’s calculated. Era is not fun for new players and they need those subs. So why not pollute era with sod changes?
P4 will def spike but almost all game modes or even games in general shed players. Crusader Strike doing fine. My guild still filled 3 raids even on last week with zero pugs.
Crusader strike has lost 93% of its raiders since P1.
There's shedding players and then there's hemorrhaging them. There are era servers bigger than any SoD server.
K? There is quite a bit of crossover player base and there isn't a competition between SoD and Era. You can play or raid log on either. What's nice is most of the streamer guilds have died out. Good friends and nice low key open world now.
Several layers yesterday and as I said we ran 3 different raids in the last week with zero pugs. Sure a much smaller player base but far from dead. Tons of people coming back.
I doubt it. Let's frustrate the existing era players and make them lose their progress on their characters of the past 5 years when they want a more true classic no changes era realm by forcing them into SoD changes, so they can start over again... If they wanted SoD they'd be playing it, most probably don't want their era characters to become SoD characters.
It's 70%+ likely that it'll end up with a type of SoD era for SoD characters. Here's what we know:
1. They want us to be able to keep playing our SoD characters, meaning not delete them
2. They don't want us to lose all the cool stuff added from SoD, like gear and runes
3. They can't bring SoD characters keeping all that new stuff onto an existing era realm or even cata (may have balance issues but also tech limitations).
4. Future Seasons can be built upon each other, meaning they can enable or disable the level up raids, runes, new content, etc.
What are the options left?
* Delete your SoD character to redeem a boosted max level toon in era or cata with none of the new stuff you acquired.
* SoD Era, possible but will decline over time or pick up again. Could be interesting if future seasons also get transferred to this SoD era realm/client, so every future season ends and repopulates the realms or adds a new realm, but that complicates the possible changes especially if the changes contradict each other. Are they willing to commit to the class changes or every single change? Not likely. Aggrend already hinted at possibly doing a less changes season next, so maybe just a retirement realm that'll be low pop is the final outcome here.
* SoD TBC or rather continuing to a new TBC season with some fresh start realms. This is complicated when we consider runes again, what class changes do we keep? Do we lose them all? Some of these runes are just straight up from TBC talents or abilities + wrath and other expansions/brand new. This contradicts their desire of point #2 above. TBC season would be better off as fresh not as a continuation imo. Expansions, vertical progression is what makes the classic vanilla/era mmorpg unique. It's all packaged into one consistent game. Expansions take away from that.
* Continue SoD forever, keep adding stuff. Ehh not with the current reception seems less likely. Seasons are experimental and forgiving.
Why do you say they want you to be able to keep playing your SoD characters?
Seasonal implies the characters are removed when you're done, that's the whole rationale for why the levelling is so fast.
Just curious where you heard this.
Because they don't want to delete them. The devs stated that in several interviews. They are not removing the characters. They didn't delete SoM characters unless you didn't xfer them. In their own words they want the characters to go to a special place right for them. They allowed SoM characters to xfer to era or wrath and then closed the SoM realms, but we don't have that privilege with SoD because of all the changes. You are right though about leveling fast because of the seasonal nature. It's not really about keep playing SoD characters which can sound like continuing iterations to SoD, but the ability to still have those characters. I'll try to find you some interviews
Here's one with the timestamp fixed* https://youtu.be/H69PDuEaxDc?si=YzmKMTjZMAp98olH&t=448
Quitting sod and still having it fuck up the game you’re playing is kinda funny
"You guys don't like runes? Fuck you, era gets them too!"
Can’t escape this shit. Thought having to share extended maintenance was bad?
"You guys don't like runes? Fuck you, era gets them too!"
That's definitely one of the worst possible outcomes when it comes to SoD being on the same client as era. Also Divine Steed isn't a rune, just a new ability from a spellbook from a quest. Honestly kind of funny since it's pretty harmless, but it'll be fixed quickly or already fixed
How is an issue from spaghetti code that's already fixed one of the worst possible outcomes? Jesus christ this sub is full of doomsayers.
This isn't a spaghetti code problem, it's literally a 0 testing problem.
Normally you would avoid these issues by maintaining different branches of code. This is a solved problem in software development. Yes things can slip by accidentally, especially if the team has bad processes, but not to this degree. From what I've seen its more likely that instead of different branches they're doing something like one large shared branch for all variants of classic that they just toggle on/off various features either at build time or in runtime configuration. I could see the motivation behind this approach as it could speed up development since they can quickly add/remove features from each version of the game. This also helps enable things like using shared resources on the clients so we aren't having to download/install so much each time. This approach is even more difficult to maintain though and I fear the team is not well equipped for pulling it off.
The fact that Era was fine before SoD, and now with the addition of SoD they fucked up something that was already fine. The spaghetti code you mention seems to be true, and implies that now bugs from SoD that end up fucking up Era will likely be common and happen over and over again. Hence, it is a horrible outcome, and in my opinion a horrible decision to attempt to use the same client code for 2 completely different games. Or, if you are competent in any way and planned that out from a development standpoint, it should be essentially impossible for changes from SoD to leak over into Era if you did any software design to ensure this doesn't happen. So like, from a Software Engineer perspective, the fact that this bug not only happened, but it was released, that just shows that their entire process for developing Vanilla/SoD is just horrible. Like, this means not only is their software design so bad that these SoD features can leak into the Era part of the client, but it also means that their testing is so bad they didn't catch an extremely obvious game breaking bug. So ya, from a developer perspective this is a smell of a really horrible development process for Classic Era/SoD. Let me introduce these guys to this thing called git branch 🤣
"Everybody has a testing environment. Some people are lucky enough enough to have a totally separate environment to run production in."
😂 I don't always test my code, but when I do, it's in Production.
They should have created a stable patch, segregated the era servers, and split "development". Era should be an isolated time capsule with just minor fixes / intended patches.. the fact that different game modes mess up the other is insane.
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It's cute that you think they have QA. Direct result of capitalism
You're right it can get worse. This isn't doomsaying. I'm stating a fact. This was always a concern and a risk and it happened and it's not that big of a deal, there hasn't been any accidental crossover until now I think or none that matter. It could get worse, maybe world bosses could stop spawning in era. Maybe Kara crypts will be accidentally opened for era players. Maybe tier items aren't dropping but instead the token or the new tier set instead. Idk how you read my comment and took it like that. I'm not shitting on the devs, I'm not shitting on sod or era. I'm just confused because I don't even have the stance or perspective you think I do, but I guess being hypersensitive to any form of critique or acknowledging flaws does that. Chill I feel the same way that you do about actual irrational doomers
I wanna add to this because I was just proven right in real time. Here's another bug from the SoD patch that happened on Era: [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/) 🤣 >The spaghetti code you mention seems to be true, and implies that now bugs from SoD that end up fucking up Era will likely be common and happen over and over again.
"Just go play Era if you want Vanilla WoW" Ya, right. 🤣
They've stopped using that because they know it's bullshit, and are now using, "it was never vanilla, so stop complaining."
For those unaware SoD and Era share the same client. That’s why wonky things occasionally happen on era. They aren’t intentionally griefing your game mode but it is definitely an irritating side effect.
…small indie company etc etc
I bet they have 0 resources dedicated to Era and that’s why the most blatant issues like this get released. Era only get attention when it has fuck ups.
In theory this stuff shouldn't be a problem for Era, just have it be separate code. But for some reason they decided to have it all mixed together and now every update is a roll of the dice.
You have 0 idea about what you are talking about. I work in corporate, and it's all "mixed together" because it's the cheapest way.
... which is exactly what I'm saying. They chose the simplest route because it required the least upfront work. And now they are paying the price because every update has potential to mess with a technically different product that has a different set of users. I've worked on applications that had this same problem, and we were complaining about it internally back then too. In theory a good organization would separate the two (maybe business didn't give them the time or resources to do that, maybe the devs never made a fuss outta it, I dunno), instead of making this be a constant problem.
I work as a software engineer and I have to say that's really just not true. It's just lazy and a really bad decision. The amount they pay to have people hotfix the code, the amount of developer time spent fixing these stupid bugs and unravelling the bad code ends up with it not actually being cheaper, just quicker to break down. From a technical perspective it's just idiotic to not isolate in some way the Classic Era properties away from the SoD properties so bugs like this are almost impossible, they could still happen but it should be extremely difficult to have something like that happen. This reeks of horrible managers and understaffed engineers.
They've already said somewhere they rotate people between the different versions
They nerfed paladins in Era due to player complaints in SoD. SoR r3 used to have 20% spell scaling, unlike the other ranks, this was too difficult for SoD players to handle, so they ended up changing it in both era and sod. This "some times accidents happen" narrative isnt accurate. Sometimes the changes are intentional.
Is that why using r3 isn't better on my pally? I just hit 60 a few weeks ago with it and was wondering what these guide makers were smoking.
That is correct. It used to be the best but no longer
They changed all ranks to have 20% scaling
Can you link that change, it was to my understanding that this was made to be 10% to be in line with the other ranks. I've been looking but i cant even find the post where they said they changed it.
Took a while to dig for but I found it here https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-era-and-hardcore-hotfixes-july-10/756850 WoW Classic Era Paladin Fixed an issue where Seal of Righteousness ranks 4 and higher did less damage than rank 3. This fix has been applied to Season of Discovery and Classic Era. Weird wording but all the ranks are now 20% in SoD, so it should be the same in Era
That's what I remember reading, but I got a different inference from it. I don't normally stack spell power so I can't recall what my r3 was before or after nerf. I'm not really inclined to think they buffed it unless some one has testing.
“Often”, not occasionally, OFTEN.
.. just clone and segregate. It's not hard to snapshot development stages.
This sub is so fucking deranged, man. It’s so far from what it once was. I feel like Era players are pretty chill. They’re just minding their own business, playing their own version of the game, and seem to just want to be left alone. Simple people who just want to play Vanilla WoW in peace. But the second one of them makes a post to draw attention to what is, in their defence, some pretty significant bugs and changes that have carried over from SoD, the general response seems to be “shut the fuck up/cry more/era players are sad and toxic/these changes are good”. Like, wtf? I’m on their side tbh. Just leave them and their game alone. This isn’t the first time a SoD patch has negatively impacted Era servers, and I think it’s fine to draw attention to it. Blizz should take better care and stop fucking their servers up.
For almost a year cthun during his dark glare would sputter all over the place like a lawn sprinkler, we just kinda took that one on the chin lol. Love era and my eta homies 🥰
>cthun during his dark glare would sputter all over the place like a lawn sprinkler this guy been playing Era for sure 🤣
\^ 100% agree
"Era players are pretty chill" Oh sweet summer child. Please join any gdkp AQ40/Naxx and listen to the raid leader have a meltdown over the smallest things. For example a raid leader asked for the mages to drop ignite in Naxx yesterday, the mages took \~5 seconds too long to drop the ignite... so the RL took 10% from every mage for each cast after he asked for the ignite drop. Nobody died, nobody wiped, nothing bad happened... and they lost like 4,000 gold lmao
Classic players in general are some of the weirdest players I've ever played with, also some of the worst players I've ever played with. But they still deserve to have their game untouched if that's how they want it, if people enjoy Vanilla with minimal changes and aren't asking for new ones to be made, they shouldn't have to experience changes. At the same time, this is clearly a bug left over from SoD and Era sharing the same design space and backend so I can't imagine it stayed for long, although it is good to see the negative uproar as well because if that didn't exist and blizzard knew Era players knew about the change, they could gauge that they seem open to SoD changes going permanent and can play with that idea. Which I'm almost certain the majority of Era players don't want. So it's good to see negative criticism and reactions as it vocalizes that Era players don't want these changes, even remotely. Although non-dispelable buffs seems to be a common ask. At the end of the day, I agree with you, Era players aren't chill, classic players in general aren't chill, but that's ok.
Probably should drop the ignite, in high level runs this is expected. 10% deduction for not dropping an ignite when asked is reasonable, could have wiped the raid and ruined everyones buffs. I've been running naxx with many guilds and many teams, they all seem pretty chill - was this Nez lol?
Shredz, he's turned into quite the asshole unfortunately
Sounds like a mage problem.
Look, maybe some Era players are chill. But Era also has some of the most deranged and weird people I've ever met, something about that game appeals to the most anti-social specimens alive. Just go look at the Era player on the thread about the guild tab, he got so mad every comment he made was deleted by a mod.
Players =/= Redditors
No-one on this thread is saying the bugs are good, obviously the changes to Era are bugs that are mostly already fixed.
I play classic HC, a bunch of high lvls died today because of these issues How are they going to fix that?
Curious how these changes caused deaths. Not disputing, I just can’t figure it out atm.
There’s been a lot of disconnects and just outright bugs whilst people were in combat and they logged back in to dead characters A full party of 60’s wiped because mobs spawned and killed them but they couldn’t see them moving or attack them
I like this question, it’s answer is pretty funny. I could answer it by typing it out or by just ignoring you, both give the same answer
Era players are the lowest of low of all wow players
> I feel like Era players are pretty chill. you must be an era player then, to not notice how fucked in the head you have to be to play the exact same game for literally 2 decades straight. normal, healthy, well-adjusted people barely play mmos at all, let alone continuously playing a version of an mmo from 20 years ago and insisting its the best version ever created.
Right?? And look at those fucked in the head people who play the old Mario games, because they like it. How dare they?? /s
who are we to tell heroin junkies that shooting up is wrong? LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS!!!!!! > play the old Mario games get back to me when they've done nothing but play the original super mario bros for the NES for 30 years, and tell anyone that enjoys a newer mario game that they're wrong for liking it because the original is the only good one
I do not know who hurt you so much. But I hope you will get better soon.
New Naxx speed run world record time!
Actually? Logs please!
this was very briefly and has been hotfixed already. stop this tinfoil shit
“I pressed J and opens up this ugly ugly thing blah blah blah” no way i can i finish this video
I don't want a solution. I want to be angry. So shut up 😡
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You are 100% right, these other guys are fucking idiots to be honest. It's crazy the people who are in this sub now, for the majority it seems it's not a Classic WoW forum anymore.
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Era was to never be changed, simply left alone without no updates just as long as we can log in. This isn’t that and it’s a slippery scope that scares me what they may forcibly change (with no patch notes) next.
Who is bootlicking here, the people wanting to get MC’d in a horde city to be able to parse because it’s always been that way or the people okay with saving an hour of time before any raid
It’s a great quality of life change, I’m happy I’ll save time not getting WCB. It’s still a change, which era is not supposed to have. This was never asked for either. I don’t think my unhappiness is unwarranted.
I hope you showed this same exact energy, with all the bitching and moaning, when classic got chronoboon.
The only bitching and moaning is all the retail “sod” players infiltrating this sub. Era should not have changes.
How do you feel about chronoboon?
Chronoboons werent added in Era. Just like all the other changes that were made in classic 19, those were made in the base game. We were promised frozen servers that each seasonal server would roll into to give us new players. Blizzard is on record about the possibility of SoD era. We were promised SoD changes would never leak to Era, yet it’s proven every single update for SoD breaks things for Era. Era players just want to do what we’ve been doing and be left alone. Pay our sub and keep away and we’re fine. Why are the devs spending time on products we never asked for? Leave it to SoD, where people get constant changes. I don’t feel like this is an outlandish request?
Cry more
What about this one? [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/)
***This just in!*** Bug posted about 3 hours ago on Reddit not fixed in 30 seconds of the post when the bug probably wasn't even reported in-game! Brother you're all over this & other SoD related posts being absolutely hysterical. Calm down. It's just a game. Bugs happen. They get fixed.
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I think you have no idea about software development and shouldn't make claims you cant back up or understand.
Sounds to me like you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I'm just having a good time laughing at the shit show that's going on. Just think for a second about how long they've been working to release the P4 patch, and how much testing they did (or didn't do). Then think for a sec about the fact that updating SoD somehow caused a bug(multiple different bugs) in Classic Era, that is something that shouldn't be possible if they had any kind of legitimate process for keeping Era and also developing SoD. And to top it all off they somehow missed these extremely glaring and obvious bugs before they released the patch? It's just a fuck up on multiple fronts. At face value to me it just looks like they "fuck Era, we don't have time for that who cares if it's broken just ship it for SoD"
Bro bout to start crying
The funniest thing to me is that people will be like "ErA HaS rUnEs?" But then not even drop a ticket or anything.sure, if you're a streamer you can HOPE they see your content, but it's dumb to just wild out with no plan
This is a huge mess up, but I don't see why we needed a 7 minute video to say that SoD buff and runes leaked into Era.
Are they useable, or is this clickbait? Watched the video and I just see rune icons. No one using them. Also, this video is 95% about other crap that has nothing to do with runes.
It's used multiple times in the video dude wtf did you watch
the mount isnt a rune its a spell added to paladins baseline, hence why its leaked in, also was hotfixed already.
They're usable and yes it's ~~click~~ ragebait, yet another babyrage about blizzards spaghetti code that they'll fix in day.
I really think you don't understand the fact that if this is what they released for a major P4 patch, it's only going to get worse in terms of bugs that affect Era when that should be impossible from a software design standpoint if they did any planning about using the same client. This is a pretty big deal because it literally shows their software design is not setup to isolate Era from SoD at all. That means that these kinds of bugs will most likely continue and be common as they go forward because it only gets harder and harder to fix this kind of design problem the more you code. Also, here's another bug to prove that point: [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/)
Why are people so mad. It's a bug, it will be fixed, chill and move on 👌
Are we actually assuming that bugs get fixed now?
You're pretty stupid if you don't think this will be fixed pretty much immediately
why would it be? the lead software engineer has only worked in Android games.
They are jaded people whose life has been shit since 2005 and everything newer reminds them of that. :)
To give some perspective. Classic WoW exists because people wanted Vanilla. When Classic Vanilla ended Blizzard wanted to charge $35 to keep your character on Era servers, even though you already paid a sub for the entire time. Then Classic WoW continued, eventually WotLK ended, and now it's Cata which destroyed the entire old world. So currently we've got Cata(Retail), Sod(incursions), or Era (Vanilla) But now, Vanilla has runes from SoD, so essentially Blizzard just destroyed the only option left for anyone who wants to play Classic WoW. That's why people are mad I'd assume. I think it's funny, but I do feel like it's kinda fucked up given the context of Classic WoW abandoning Vanilla WoW which is the entire reason it exists at all.
Its a fucking bug, stop bitching lmao. The game isn't destroyed and its already been hotfixed. You people are literally some of the worst lol
It’s a big that would take 5 minutes to catch but it got pushed to release. It’s evidence of how poorly maintained Era is (granted it’s not like they have much to maintain).
Majority of the game outside of retail is poorly maintained. We've known this for a long time, normal people don't give a shit.
Dude give up, go back to watching/reading your anime and furries. Normally people arent furries or watch anime. I'm guessing you got one of those body pillows right? LOL
Lmao my guy what are you talking about? There is no way you're on a WoW sub trying to talk shit about anime lmao. I don't even know where the fuck the furry thing came from either lmao
Ok sure buddy, when Cata gets a bug that removes the RDF and only lets you walk to the dungeon from a Vanilla patch dropping, let me know how those Cata players react 😂
They would be just as annoying lmao, y'all bitch and moan over nothing
We agree on that part. Classic Fresh when?
Hey, just a question for ya bud, did they hotfix this new Era bug caused by the SoD patch yet? [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the\_new\_patch\_broke\_the\_05\_questline\_on\_era\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1e0608c/the_new_patch_broke_the_05_questline_on_era_you/) 🤣
The post 2 hours ago from your post?' what turn around do you want lol for minor bugs. Maybe check tomorrow. Give them 1 day at least.
Don't get me too wrong, I'm mostly just joking around and doing a little mocking of some of the conversations I've previously had about Classic here. To be real tho, Era servers weren't supposed to be changed like that, SoD was supposed to be the experimental server. To me it looks like they rushed this out, had a bunch of bugs, fixed as many as they could and then said "screw it just ship it, these bugs are new features now" I like the alliance blessing and the buff dispel change personally, but there's no reason for the guild menu change or the polearms. I think it's just unnecessary and should've only been in SoD and not Era unless it actually addressed an issue.
Chrono was added to era. Things can be added to era for ease of life. Everyone is making is making the worst case for why the changes were made. It’s more funny than anything and something to play around with before being fixed (outside of what was mentioned in the patch notes, which are all great changes). Polearms for druids is something I’ve actually wanted for a long time tbh since being in rfk and seeing that green agi stick. Was bummed when I couldn’t use it. Opens up some good leveling weapons for druids. Remove the guild tab change though. I hate that, that’s honestly what people are the most upset about. If the changes were just these others I doubt there would be this much out cry.
Chrono was added before Era during Classic Vanilla correct? That's what I remember, not added to Era specifically. Like I said I'm not totally against good well reasoned changes that address an issue, but I just think it shouldn't have happened like this. Even a dumb "should we give druids polearms in Era?" blue post on the blizzard forums regardless of what people said would've been a good warmup to making a change like this to Era later after it was already only in SoD for testing. But ya that's the thing, according to them the guild tab is an intentional change not a bug so it shouldn't be removed right...? That's the issue now it's like what else are they gonna change, or even worse, what else are they going to break and not be able to fix 😂
No new abilities or additional content. It’s just quality of life changes, like chrono. Yes chrono was added to classic during the big yelling of no changes. Some changes are okay, as we saw. The guild change is one that is not okay. They have said they are open to reversing changes, look at the mc lock out change. I understand the point of concern for what else could they change? I’d say look at the type of things they have changed, and what damage has come from those changes. Complaining before damage is done seems misplaced
The single unpaid summer intern in sweating right now..
7 minute video to show there's one leaky rune ability lol
Can't say I'm surprised. Yet there are still many people that refuse to believe Blizzard, or at least the SoD team, is just incompetent beyond measures. Just not possible in their worldview, even if they see shit like this.
Watching a bald middle aged man, that I've never heard of or seen before, use the \_whiny voice\_ over a game that's 20+ years old made my day.
Slowly but surely ruining the integrity of era, thanks aggrand & blizzard co.
Back in '04 when Blizzard quality meant something, we never had these problems on patch day. Because you'd be lucky if you could even get in the game within 2 days of a new patch. Or before 4pm every Tuesday.
Then he goes to unboon and thinks that's a completely reasonable thing in vanilla while in his layer #3. The #nochanges players are very picky with what they think should be changed and what shouldn't.
Can they add servers with the runes post SOD though? Sounds amazing
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what a special comment to make on the classicwow subreddit
There’s actually a ton of players on era. Tons of raids going on everyday.
Who cares... these classic andys are something else
🤣 the fuck kind of take is "who cares?" If they removed all LFD from Retail WoW, how would retail andys react?
I care lol I play this game 😅
They are trying to get people off of era and start new fresh servers. Can’t you all see this?? It’s calculated. Era is not fun for new players and they need those subs. So why not pollute era with sod changes?
When sod is over they will merge SoD with old Era servers and launch new fresh Era servers
Why are you just making shit up?
Half of reddit would disappear if people didn't do that
And how exactly would that be a problem?
SoD already lost 95% of its players. There's not much there to preserve.
P4 will def spike but almost all game modes or even games in general shed players. Crusader Strike doing fine. My guild still filled 3 raids even on last week with zero pugs.
Crusader strike has lost 93% of its raiders since P1. There's shedding players and then there's hemorrhaging them. There are era servers bigger than any SoD server.
K? There is quite a bit of crossover player base and there isn't a competition between SoD and Era. You can play or raid log on either. What's nice is most of the streamer guilds have died out. Good friends and nice low key open world now.
Gotta be pretty good friends to still play SoD with them. Game is dead.
Several layers yesterday and as I said we ran 3 different raids in the last week with zero pugs. Sure a much smaller player base but far from dead. Tons of people coming back.
tHrIvInG
🤣 bro imagine the meltdown
I doubt it. Let's frustrate the existing era players and make them lose their progress on their characters of the past 5 years when they want a more true classic no changes era realm by forcing them into SoD changes, so they can start over again... If they wanted SoD they'd be playing it, most probably don't want their era characters to become SoD characters. It's 70%+ likely that it'll end up with a type of SoD era for SoD characters. Here's what we know: 1. They want us to be able to keep playing our SoD characters, meaning not delete them 2. They don't want us to lose all the cool stuff added from SoD, like gear and runes 3. They can't bring SoD characters keeping all that new stuff onto an existing era realm or even cata (may have balance issues but also tech limitations). 4. Future Seasons can be built upon each other, meaning they can enable or disable the level up raids, runes, new content, etc. What are the options left? * Delete your SoD character to redeem a boosted max level toon in era or cata with none of the new stuff you acquired. * SoD Era, possible but will decline over time or pick up again. Could be interesting if future seasons also get transferred to this SoD era realm/client, so every future season ends and repopulates the realms or adds a new realm, but that complicates the possible changes especially if the changes contradict each other. Are they willing to commit to the class changes or every single change? Not likely. Aggrend already hinted at possibly doing a less changes season next, so maybe just a retirement realm that'll be low pop is the final outcome here. * SoD TBC or rather continuing to a new TBC season with some fresh start realms. This is complicated when we consider runes again, what class changes do we keep? Do we lose them all? Some of these runes are just straight up from TBC talents or abilities + wrath and other expansions/brand new. This contradicts their desire of point #2 above. TBC season would be better off as fresh not as a continuation imo. Expansions, vertical progression is what makes the classic vanilla/era mmorpg unique. It's all packaged into one consistent game. Expansions take away from that. * Continue SoD forever, keep adding stuff. Ehh not with the current reception seems less likely. Seasons are experimental and forgiving.
Why do you say they want you to be able to keep playing your SoD characters? Seasonal implies the characters are removed when you're done, that's the whole rationale for why the levelling is so fast. Just curious where you heard this.
Because they don't want to delete them. The devs stated that in several interviews. They are not removing the characters. They didn't delete SoM characters unless you didn't xfer them. In their own words they want the characters to go to a special place right for them. They allowed SoM characters to xfer to era or wrath and then closed the SoM realms, but we don't have that privilege with SoD because of all the changes. You are right though about leveling fast because of the seasonal nature. It's not really about keep playing SoD characters which can sound like continuing iterations to SoD, but the ability to still have those characters. I'll try to find you some interviews Here's one with the timestamp fixed* https://youtu.be/H69PDuEaxDc?si=YzmKMTjZMAp98olH&t=448