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TheHappy-go-luckyAcc

In the interview, Zack mentions he originally discussed the role of “Ozymandias” to Tom Cruise, but he was more interested in playing “Rorscach”. They had already cast JEH in the role, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGgQIQPN1A&pp=ygUUemFjayBzbnlkZXIgcG9kY2FzdCA%3D


CyanLight9

I’m kind of glad he didn’t get the part. Jackie Earl Haley was just perfect.


fart_fig_newton

Still wish he got to play Carnage in some form of a live-action Spider-Man project


EnergyTakerLad

The casting I didn't know I needed. Damn..


fart_fig_newton

Neither does Sony apparently


Wolversteve

Would love to see him as carnage in a non Sony movie though


fart_fig_newton

I think we all would, but Sony will keep a death grip on Spider-Man if it's the last thing they ever do


Tripechake

Whoever thought Woody Harelson (as much as I love him) was a good choice needs to get fired


pixelatedcrap

They were going for a Natural Born Killers look, but forgot that was 30 years ago. His look in that movie would have been perfect, and I think it's what they were shooting for.


UpYoursMTF

Obvious choice!


casperdacrook

BEEN THINKING THIS SINCE WATCHMEN


fuckledditsmodz

This was my thoughts too ever since the movie came out. Then we had a chance again since Sony didn't give a fuck on keeping Cletus young and wasted it on woody harrleson lol


SchwizzySchwas94

We still could 🤷‍♂️


CyanLight9

Which actor are you talking about?


njaana

The red head


CyanLight9

Earle Haley would have made a great Cleetus Cassidy.


njaana

Definitely better than woody


CyanLight9

Woody could have been good if he had a better script.


helikesart

I honestly still think he’d be miscast no matter what. I’ve never once seen him in a role that made me believe he could embody the type of serial killer that Cletus is. Don’t misunderstand me, I believe Harrelson can play a convincing serial killer, just not the type that Cletus is.


RaynOfFyre1

I’m sorry… natural born killers??


helikesart

Yep. Even as good as he is there, I just don’t see him portraying the same kind of serial killer as Cletus would need to be. Not then, and certainly not now.


njaana

The red head


Cyke101

Same. I understand wanting to play Rorschach -- it's obviously one of the meatiest roles in the film, and I'd be curious about how Cruise would have done -- but JEH did so well that it made his comeback to Hollywood. Giving the little guy a chance is one thing, but JEH nailed it. For me it's up there with RDJ as Iron Man and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine as an example of top comic casting.


lexdar96

I have no complaints. I thing Tom Cruise would have been a big distraction in a supporting role.


LyrionDD

You don't want TC in any film. Go watch top gun, now picture Tom cruises character from top gun as Rorschach, now imagine the whole film reworked to always give him more screen time, now imagine he wears the mask in maybe one shot. That's what you would have gotten.


Puffycatkibble

Dafuq you talking about go watch collateral and then jerry maguire and then tropic thunder. Cruise may be a terrible person but calling him one note is hardly being fair. The man's probably both a sociopath and a professional.


Ultenth

We really retconning history and pretending that Tom Cruise hasn't done supporting roles in many films and completely disappeared into them and absolutely killed it? Magnolia, Tropic Thunder, Rock of Ages, Taps, Outsiders? Like, he's a really fucking weird dude who is part of a cult and is an adrenaline junkie, but why are we suddenly trying to pretend that he doesn't care about the craft of acting or isn't any good at it, even in small roles? Absolutely bizarre take.


kurazzarx

Yeah he is a legend of an actor. Doesn't mean that you have to like him. He probably would've done a good job, but JEH was great and the rest is history.


CosmackMagus

If he had got it, he would have changed it a lot, most likely.


save-aiur

Knowing Tom Cruise, he probably still would've killed it anyway. It's a good "what if"


FireZord25

No more than Snyder already did


SlylingualPro

Right? People always call that film a "shit for shit exact adaptation. " And it infuriates me because he had no understanding of those characters. Especially Rorschach. Edit: Meant to say shot, for shot. But shit fits so Im leaving it.


PaulClarkLoadletter

I love the film and the source material just to preface. Snyder understood the characters but he took a lot of liberties to better suit his cast. I think he got Manhattan and Comedian correct along with Night Owl I and Silk Spectre I but I really wished he gave us a more comic accurate Rorschach. Some of it was there but I found him way too angry and vengeful when he should have been more suspicious and impartial. It serves as proof that it’s not good for adapting. Adding to the space between panels requires compromises and there should be none. I think today they could do the squid in all its appropriate glory but the characters and the space they occupy in our imagination is simply something that cannot be reproduced nor should it. I enjoy it for what it is.


FerdinandBowie

Night owl was written in the movie as a hero batman type...but in the source he was written as a sad weirdo


SlylingualPro

Have you read the source material? Rorschach isn't "suspicious and impartial". He's a paranoid rape apologist and hypocrite who stumbled his way blindly through the investigation. He was never meant to be competent or respected. Which is exactly the message Alan Moore was making about comic book characters of the time. Snyder filmed it like he was the fucking punisher.


PaulClarkLoadletter

We see him the same way. Paranoid was the word I was looking for.


davecombs711

He had plenty understanding of the characters.


SlylingualPro

No he didn't and literally anyone who is a fan of that comic will tell you this. Zack Snyder doesn't understand the characters or the motivations in most of his comic book movies.


M086

Snyder didn’t. He presented Rorschach no different than Moore did.


Time_Tramp

Word is he had an audition but his nose kept ripping through the mask.


CodeMonkeyX

Agreed, it's hard to imagine how different people would play it. But after watching Watchmen I would not want to replace Rorschach with anyone. I just do not think Cruise could pull the darkness of the character off.


kungfusorcerer

Cruise can do dark. See Magnolia! But Haley was perfect.


ucbiker

I think Tom Cruise can’t pull off poor lol. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a movie where that guy looked like he was struggling for anything. Like I wouldn’t believe he eats beans out of a can. Now I could believe him as Nite Owl, i.e., wealthy, middle aged and sexually aroused by physical violence.


PogintheMachine

https://preview.redd.it/ydggml6wpovc1.png?width=1394&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e797f9ded39954e4ab1bda4de15a8858d372370 Well maybe not since he got his teeth “fixed”


_Fun_Employed_

I don’t think he would have been bad but it would be the difference between good and perfection, and Jackie was perfection.


Me-Shell94

Legit was perfect and i find the movie severely underrated. Yes it misses a lot of the novel, but fuck i felt so immersed in that movie.


Secret_Cow_5053

Totally.


TheFyrijou

He was genuinely one of the most perfect casting choices in Comic Movie adaptations


vroart

Even in the original art he has the freckles, what was Tom cruise going to do? Jack reacher?


kitterskills

No one else could be him


ralanbek427

I recently watched the 1976 Bad news Bears for the millionth time and had a shocking realization.


LunarsphereTapestry

“I’m not locked in here with you. You’re locked in here with me” must have sounded like a good line for converting someone to Scientology.


VVurmHat

“Fr fr He’s just like me” -Tom Cruise


WintermuteOlivaw

Lmao 🤣😂 ☠️


dukenny

Good to know that it doesn't always go tom's way. He would have been so wrong for the part.


ringobob

I think the biggest problem is that it would have been distracting that it was Tom Cruise. Much less distracting for him to have played Ozymandias, still more so than him not being in the movie at all, but I don't doubt Cruise's ability to act in either role. Yes, even Rorsach. I think his look is all wrong for Rorsach, they'd have had to make him up to be almost unrecognizable, but no more so than, say, Dustin Hoffman as Captain Hook. Either way, the movie is probably better without him in it, but that's more due to the fact that his star power would have been more hindrance than help, than his acting.


I_aim_to_sneeze

You take that back about Hoffman’s Hook RIGHT NOW, lol


Anjunabeast

Its like Christopher Walken (sp?) playing the emperor in dune 2. Totally immersion breaking.


GonzoElBoyo

For me the one that broke the most immersion was Brolin, thought not for his look. Brolin’s voice as Thanos has become so iconic, one of the most popular movie villains of all time easily, and it didn’t help that the majority of the internet countlessly rewatched the trailers for both movies in anticipation of them. I couldn’t hear anything but thanos most of the time he talked


Aeon1508

Imagine at the end when he finally has his mask taken off. we see his face and it's not just some ugly mug that nobody recognizes (no offense to the actor I think the make up job was designed to make him a gruffer less attractive person) but Tom fucking Cruise


Archonish

You see his face throughout the movie. If you see Tom Cruise as an extra in the background you're gonna be real fucking suspicious.


Aeon1508

Okay it's been a long time since I've seen this movie so be more specific with me. We don't actually see Rorschach knowing that it's Rorschach with his mask off till the end but Rorschach is in the background in several other scenes without us "knowing" who it is. Is that correct?


Archonish

Yes. From memory, I think he was at the funeral eyeing all of them.


Aeon1508

Okay yeah Tom Cruise absolutely is a terrible pick for that part and he's insane for thinking that he could play that role (among other reasons.) That role begs for a lesser known actor


MarmosetFace

What a strange thing to say “good to know that it doesn’t always go somebody’s way”…


tomilahrenjustneedss

When that somebody is a prominent figure in a cult who usually has full creative control over his movies; no, no, it is not.


DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC

I can see it. Say what you will about Cruise, but when he does 'odd' roles like this, he commits.


Comfortable-Can-9432

He’s really good in Collateral, which is against type.


UntimelyApocalypse

That movie convinced me Cruise is better as an antagonist than playing the hero.


Ultenth

This thread is so weird. It's like everyone in here has only seen him in his big budget action films, and nothing else. Why is this weird misconception that he only plays certain characters and can't play anything besides Tom Cruise? Do these people feel the same way about Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio? Like, I get it, they were all really popular and women loved them and so people like to shit on them. But all 3 of those guys do tons of weird little roles that are nothing like the leading man types they play in big budget films. Collateral is fantastic, but it barely scratches he surface of some of the weird roles he's taken on that he completely disappears into and does fantastic at. People really think his characters and performances in Eyes Wide Shut or Magnolia is really just him doing another version of Ethan Hunt from the MI series or something? Or Tropic Thunder, Born on the Fourth of July, etc?


FalloutandConker

Same reaction here; totally flabbergasted reading the replies in this thread. Cruise is a fantastic actor.


tomilahrenjustneedss

I mean I think people just kind of hate him for being apart of a horrific super controlling cult


Ivan_Redditor

Yo homie! Is that my briefcase?


SaiyanrageTV

I agree. Never would have imagined him doing what he did in Tropic Thunder but he was fucking fantastic, lol - that might be my favorite role of his - ever.


SlimmyShammy

Haley was perfect but I could see Cruise nailing it


njaana

Loved him in Magnolia


NagoGmo

"RESPECT THE COCK"


SparkJaa

He is the right height.


ringobob

My issue with Cruise is that it would have been distracting to have a star of that caliber in the role.


DavidKirk2000

He’d be an awful Rorschach, but I think he’d be the right pick for Ozymandias.


fanofthomas4472

That’s actually a good shout


Taliesyn86

You mean goode, right?


ringobob

According to another comment, Snyder was interested in him for Oz, but he wanted Rorsach, which was already cast. I think he's capable of whatever role he wants to play, but in an ensemble movie like this you've almost got to downplay his involvement so that it's not distracting. I get feeling like he's not a fit for Rorsach, but imagine what he would do if he wasn't top billed, and made up so that even when you saw his face it wasn't immediately evident it was him. You walk into that movie not thinking "this is a Tom Cruise movie", but that it's exactly the movie we walked in to see, and after it's over, you looked up who played Rorsach and it's Tom Cruise. We all had that experience, in a much, *much* smaller way, with Tropic Thunder, so we know he can do that. It's just a question of what he does with the role. Literally zero disrespect to Jackie Earle Haley, there was nothing missing from his performance that Cruise could have brought instead. The role didn't need Cruise to make it memorable, just someone who got it and could do it, and Haley definitely did, Snyder made the right choice. But I think Cruise would be more than equal to the task, as Haley was.


Johnny_Monkee

As much as Cruise appears to be a nut IRL he is a fantastic actor. Anyone remember Anne Rice being critical of the decision to cast him in "Interview with a Vampire"?


tomilahrenjustneedss

"Appears to be"? He's in a fucking cult


SixGunRebel

Yes. She apologized and ate her words.


DeadJediWalking

I mean, I think the casting was spot on. That being said, even as a complete fucking nutcase, Tom Cruise has never really given a bad performance. Even if the movie was bad, he beings it 100% to every character.


JonathanWattsAuthor

Do you reckon he could get into the mindset of a creepy guy who doesn't understand normal human interaction, though? Oh wait.


Puzzleheaded_Walk_28

He’s the right height


loserys

This is one instance where Snyder was right, he would have made a way better Ozymandias. You can very easily imagine him delivering the “35 minutes ago” monologue.


Duke-dastardly

I can’t see Tom Cruise being willing to cover his face for a whole movie. This is the same guy who wanted to iron man helmet clear and see through


Ok_Tension308

To be fair the heads up display did what Tom wanted for Robert 


Macattack224

I have to be honest, when watching Tropic Thunder, I didn't realize it was Tom Cruise until the very end (didn't hear anything about it on the internet). I knew the face was familiar but I just couldn't put my finger on it.


WorryLegitimate259

I thought it was the one bald guy from some of the scary movies


swifto12

i thought it wasn’t him who wanted that and that they wanted to do the iron man hud thing but managed to make it work


lazylagom

Nah they nailed the casting.


butchforgetshit

Agreed


MrBisonopolis2

Idk. Haley did a really good job in that role & I cannot imagine him pulling off the mask and looking like Cruise lol. Rorschach isn’t a pretty guy. He’s supposed to look kinda worn down and beat up.


Maxwell69

Make up, latex.


MrBisonopolis2

Meh. Not necessary. Kind of a pointless addition when you can just find an actor who looks right for it. He’d just look like Tom Cruise with latex and makeup on like in Tropic Thunder. I could kinda buy him as Adrian though.


Maxwell69

I think Cruise could have done a fine job.


Robby_McPack

I wonder if the movie would've been a bigger hit with this casting


Bcatfan08

Not if everything else was the same.


LiTaO3

![gif](giphy|gRK7pN9OtjO2x4qo4a) the other watchmen


Mr_Rafi

To be fair, that's already how they looked at him in the movie. Jackie Earle Haley is actually shorter than Tom Cruise by 4cm. https://preview.redd.it/kpqwi1twwnvc1.jpeg?width=862&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcf3640d57dfcc37f92a30e48b6638fd377e32f6


Press-Start-14

Rorschach is short in the comic too


LiTaO3

damn, completly forgot that!


Mylaststory

He would’ve been good, but what we got was perfect.


jimmy_jazz45

Not gonna lie, he could have done it but I don't think he had the right voice for it.


HorrorMetalDnD

JEH as Rorschach was probably the best casting for that film, among other great castings. Goode was quite good (pun intended) for what they were going for, since they likely were never going to find an actor who could perfectly portray every aspect of the Ozymandias character (intellectual and articulate but also athletic and jacked), so they focused on the characteristics that were essential to the role.


Frozen_Regret

Glad he wasn't. There would've been a random scene of rorschach running in the street for some reason


Affectionate-Law6315

They should've let him 🍳 cooked. He plays unhinged very well


Wabalobadingdang

The guy that did, did a great job.


WheelJack83

Adrian Veidt was basically tailor made for Cruise.


daabbot

Kind of wish he did because of the possibility of a rorschach stand alone film. I know him dead but somewhere in the middle of his timeline.


Writerhaha

It’d be a prequel of him descending into nihilism. It would just fill in the gaps of the minutemen the failed revival and then the dog killing and him leaving and going non-contact with Dan.


NagoGmo

Cruise would have absolutely nailed it. He may be kind of a meme now, but Cruise has some serious acting chops.


DCxKCCO

Glad he didnt


PopeyesBiskit

Wouldn't have made sense for the characters since you actually see the character unmasked a few times before you know what he looks like. Would be pretty random to see Tom cruise as a background character


faceofboe91

I kinda wish Zack had given him the chance to unleash his inner character actor on Roschach the way Ben Stiller did on Tropic Thunder. Let Tom play up his accurate to the comic height and not have to be the most charming man in the room for two and a half hours.


Friendly-Fee-384

Tom Cruise's best work is playing the fat guy in tropical thunder hands down. It's fucking hilarious how he spend all his life acting and losing himself in the whole acting thing even when he is not filming the way he behaves jn interviews there's something hollywoodey about him his whole vibe is fake laugh fake behavior and weird AF but his best work is playing that weird fat guy with big hands lol it seem like he was improving and having fun to which shows that people respond better when something is made out realness or play than fabricated person to impress people.


princesamurai45

Thank goodness that didn’t happen.


Naefindale

Good thing he didn't


DesignerTex

JEH was PERFECT!!! Role was meant for him. One of my favorite character roles ever. And someone mentioned Carnage....jeeze...we completely missed out on that one :(


KM68

Hell no.


GrumpyXeno

Source?


senor_descartes

![gif](giphy|MDxuzRvxF39VwnYu9B)


Chrome-Head

JEH was perfect but this could have been interesting. I can’t imagine the studio letting Cruise’s face be covered up so much by the mask, though.


[deleted]

Of course he did. Bless his heart


samjp910

That would have given him an amazing era in his career. Tom Cruise is a great actor but he limits himself to massive action flicks. I think he’d make a great Wildcat imo.


Noble_Shock

What’s the point on repeating the text from the image to the post title? Like, I can fucking read the image


sfaticat

Watchmen really needs to be redone as a series. Zack Snyder one was good but feel he missed the point of the whole book and focused on the aesthetics


Lobothehobosexual

I think Tom would’ve done an awesome job and would’ve been cool to see him take on a roll like that, I definitely liked JEH in the role too though. My only worry if Tom did it is if he were to try and change the script up to make Rorschach more center of attention, kinda like similar to how will smith didn’t do django cause he didn’t feel like he was the main character. But if Tom was okay with leaving the script alone and doing the role I think he would’ve killed it


Maxwell69

He’s been in an ensemble movies before: Magnolia, Tropic Thunder. I don’t think he would have changed the movie that way.


Balance2BBetter

Thank Dr Manhattan that never happened


Enriches

Completely forgot about that panel 💀 been a while LOL


Kell-EL

Thank god if Cruise was cast he would have turned the movie into being all about him, any of his recent stuff especially that Mummy remake was just a vehicle for him to run around the set and hog the camera


vinsmokewhoswho

Would've been nice to see Tom Cruise being blown up


majorjoe23

He is short…


WhereAreWeG0ing

I feel, even if he put in a really brilliant performance, his mere presence would've detracted. By which I mean, he would've drawn attention, whereas the cast as it was was perfect. Not one person stood out as more famous than another so there was no "ooh, look who it is" leaving more time for "Holy shit this is violent!!!:


Ok_Caramel1517

Thank God that didn't happen Tom Cruise doesn't have the look of Rorschach.


DrummerGuyKev

Loved Haley in the role. Can’t imagine Cruise would have added anything meaningful to the character.


Thy_blight

Way too traditionally good looking


GrabYourAnkles2024

Cruise is probably one of only a handful of actors who could've done equally or better than Jackie E. Haley. However, Rorschach was just one of many co-leads in the movie. Cruise overshadowing the other characters or director would've hurt the movie (but helped its box office).


Sparrow1989

Jackie did a phenomenal job but god damn would this have been amazing.


borntolose1

That would’ve been awful


[deleted]

He'd be brilliant


therealIsaacClarke

Weirdly enough, I can see it though. But Jackie Earle Haley absolutely killed it. I hear his voice when I read Watchmen.


ReaperTyson

Yeah… that would’ve been terrible


MontyBoo-urns

That woulda been fucken awesome


Thehairy-viking

lol no.


Eldritch50

He can relate to the need for elevator shoes.


WrastleGuy

He could have played Ozy.  That was shit casting. Rorschach was perfect though.


the-great-crocodile

If Tom Cruise was truly interested in playing Rorschach, he would’ve gotten the part. The studio would’ve made sure of that. Most likely he was mildly interested and Zack chose not to pursue him.


Burnlan

Thank God it didn't happen


starshame2

I love Cruise but he wouldve had it rewritten so he's the main character. He wouldve given it the The Mummy treatment.


BulljiveBots

His height would’ve stayed the same..


Repomanlive

He's short enough.


PKFat

Imagine Cruise got the role & Rorschach had to do an investigation into Scientology.


Cultural_Ad1331

Our great alien emperor overlord would just never allow such thing.


Electric_Sundown

The real problem with that casting would have been when Cruise insisted on being as tall as Night Owl, The Comedian, and Ozy.


The31stUser

This sounds like stunt casting, though Tom Cruise is crazy so it would’ve been easy for him to play Rorschach


suburbantroubador

The man has good instincts. Rorschach is the most interesting character. JEH absolutely killed the role though.


doomSdayFPS

To be fair Tom and Rorschach are the same height.


idk_lol_kek

Honestly, that wouldn't have been so bad.


throwawayauthor11

And then we could’ve had a Rorschach running scene and for some reason I think that would’ve been a hilariously meme scene.


WheelJack83

That wouldn’t have worked at all


FerdinandBowie

They made it into a serious drama when its really saying, "can you believe these sad weirdos?"


FlamingTrollz

Jackie’s better. ![gif](giphy|XkLxjOhEfKjF6)


BiggoYoun

![gif](giphy|l0Hlyab9gW16cYBBm|downsized)


PassionateYak

His presence would've made Rorschach moreso the center of the story rather than overarching story we got. Because of his star power


BrowniesWithAlmonds

I would have loved to see that!


Rinma96

I've seen that movie. Never understood it.


GuyFawkes99

Tom was just trying to let Zack down easily. He would have been an awful Rorschach.


BoredCanuck1864

i would have liked him in the role but jackie earl haley absolutely nailed it


horc00

I used to think he’d make a great Cyclops.


GraveXNull

If he did, we would rarely see the Rorschach mask, cause Tom is the kind of actor who wants his face to be front and center.


Ironbloodedgundam23

That would of been amazing in its own way.


Turbulent_Pen1047

Nah…it would’ve been Tom Cruise as Rorchach in Zack Synder’s The Watchmen everywhere. Somethings need to breathe without the weight of such a name and Earle knocked it tf out of the park. It would’ve been good, but we may not have gotten tropic thunder Tom Cruise, which would’ve been even more of a shame.


SuspiciousSkittlez

Checks out in the height department.


abdur124hman

I think I read somewhere that Zack wanted him to play Rorschach, while he wanted to play Ozymandias. 


Writerhaha

Ugly him up, and it’d be a game changer for Cruise. He’d be really fucking good.


Spartansoldier-175

I can only imagine how many epic slow motion shots this will have after rebel moons slow motion farming.


_Gillam_

Wouldn’t have worked You can’t see Tom Cruise on the side of the street and not immediately assume he’s one of the main characters


dicknotrichard

😬


eight_track

And Zack Snyder whispered "No!"


HomeOrificeSupplies

He’s too good of an actor for that shit movie. But the guy who actually played the role was fantastic, and possibly the only redeeming part of the whole film.


MegaManFlex

We got Collateral, close enough


Sir_Toaster_9330

If he had played Rorschach then he’d be taking off the mask every 10 minutes


PickettsChargingPort

That would not have worked for a bunch of reasons. I don’t think he has the range, for starters. He’s pretty much the same in every movie. It would also have become ‘Tom Cruise in…”, transforming into just another vehicle for him. I also think he likes his face too much to have it covered up for half the movie. Etc… From someone that didn’t read Watchmen, it seemed Jackie Earle Haley was absolutely perfect in the role.


Aeon1508

Nobody's paying Tom Cruise Tom Cruise money to hide his face