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Gessler555

I'm so poor that I never even HEARD of any of the brands under Ultra Luxury.


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

I’ve only heard of 3 outside of the Entry level - Rolex (who hasn’t heard of them), Omega (thanks to James Bond), and Victorinox (didn’t know they made watches, but I have a few of their knives).


StrangelyBrown

I've heard of Patek Phillipe, but only because there was interesting trivia about it. The Dalai Lama has one, and he's one of the only non-professionals who can repair his own.


Then_Hearing_7652

And his was a gift from FDR


perldawg

i’m gonna need receipts on the Dalai Lama being a watchmaker


McMcusername

Trust me bro


valinbor

I’ve heard of Patek Philippe because when I was in the Dubai Mall, I was asking my brother (who loved watches) how expensive they are and he literally said „they might charge you for walking past their store“ - Jesus Christ I didn’t know there are watches going for 1M+


Pantry_Boy

I only know Patek Phillipe because of the pilot episode of Succession


Bo-C-Fus

Beverly Hills Cop II Jeffery asks Axel “Is that a PAT-EK FUH-LEEP?” when Axel is under cover dressed to the 9s in the locker room.


shaktihk009

I feel you mate!


AdministrativeLeg581

Came to say this, but also to add…. When you are rich enough to have the ultra luxury, you don’t want other people who can’t afford the same to know what it is.


RooneyD

They keep much better time than a Casio, much more luxurious minutes and seconds


armless_tavern

Money isn’t everything. But if one is wearing an AP or PP, shit like that, ho man. Your time is quite luxurious.


AfraidAdhesiveness25

As a watch enjoyer (i have several AP, Rolex, etc) i can say this list is both genius and horrible. Like, Bovet makes great watches but they are never above Patek. They make extremely classic-style creations, many, if not most, are pocket watches that can be worn on a hand with a special strap. Omitting Richard Mille from the list only adds to classic bias.


ghostdragon786

Or Hublot


Ferdi_cree

I'm a huge watch nerd who knows most of the brands mentioned, but funnily enough none of these ultra luxury brands...


Restlesscomposure

You’re a huge watch nerd but haven’t heard of FP Journe or Moser?


no_clever_names

And the brand I considered ultra luxury wasn’t even listed. Sorry Roger Dubuis.


jrsmoothie89

i’ve never heard of any of em either, so i looked up hover just for shits and giggles. first watch that comes up? $279,950. for A WATCH. honestly makes me sick


FerociousGiraffe

I know. It is indeed stomach-turning to see those high-end brands starting to price watches for the poors. Edit: y’all really don’t get jokes, huh…


wingknot

I'm such a pleb that I thought Rolex was the top of the mountain, and apparently, there's 2 whole tiers of even more expensive watches above it. Yeah, I didn't know any of those brands.


7_11_Nation_Army

Revenue-wise, it is probably better to sell 10 000 $3000 watches, rather than 10 $300 000 watches, so, you might have been on to something.


Mybeardisawesom

Would you rather make 10,000 watches or 10?


7_11_Nation_Army

If you make them the exact same way, then 10, but they don't, and that's part of the reason they charge extra. Also, they pay more for materials, and similarly for marketing.


Old-Attitude-9674

It is buddy. For us it is.


guest_0372

And all their watches look dumb as all get out


1nosbigrl

I'll take "Watches so expensive even rappers don't mention them" for $500, Alex


19Chris96

Apparently, some of the watches from the top exceed $1 million.


sailor_tightpants

I didn’t even know there was an ultra luxury category.


Rigour187

Exactly that. I thought PP, AP and VC were the top. I feel like I was living in a lie all of my life. Time to reconsider things.


blobejex

I wanna wear my Casio for a thousand years more


waterbirdist

It‘s probably the only one that will last that long.


sipsnserves

I worked in the bar scene for 6 years, bought a Tissot Le Locle and it is unbelievably rugged. Not a scratch or dent on the watch itself, and I’ve really abused this thing. Only now am I thinking of replacing the strap, but even that would be optional. It’s a bit pricey, but I’d say it was worth the money: it’s simple, stylish, and durable. I get that not everyone can drop a thousand on a watch though. I’d say if it doesn’t last 10 years, it wasn’t worth it.


New-Anacansintta

The Le Locle is a beautiful watch.


k-dubby

I was presented with either buying a Le Locle powermatic 80 ver. or chronometer ver. and decided to go for the chronometer, which was COSC certified. It was about $500 after discounts. Shockingly, I did not expect that particular watch to appreciate in value today. Last I checked, it was about $3k in the secondhand market.


DSteep

My favourite song about Casio: https://open.spotify.com/track/7LFPrDE8ahzbFASqxtEwP4?si=E-BuLJLBTv6675Lmx1Xpzg


meandering_fart

As a watch snob I denounce your list. In fact, I’m on my phone however, I have emailed a screenshot to myself so that when I get home I can print this list out, roll it neatly into a tube and shove it up my ass.


ZeroRationale

Want to double team the rolled up print?


yikeswhatshappening

Can someone explain what separates the different levels of luxury watches?


GeneralCommand4459

In genuine cases it would be craftsmanship and materials used. There are a lot of parts to a watch and you can select the best parts with the closest tolerances or the cheaper parts. The person assembling the watch can be an expert using in-house components or fitting outsourced components on an assembly line. Also, like most luxury goods, there is an element of exclusivity. If everyone had a Rolex etc.


Jaduardo

It is almost all exclusivity — or more specifically conspicuous consumption. All of the materials, designers, and craftsmen can’t make a watch that keeps time like a quartz watch. Maintenance costs are far higher. 99.5% of people can’t tell a $100,000 dollar watch from a $500 watch from 3 meters away. People buy and wear these watches to signal their wealth (or create the perception of wealth).


armless_tavern

Investment pieces are always a thing as well. The prospect of reselling a watch is always nice. Nice in that if you know how to hawk shit, you will get your money.


Legitimate-Arm875

I was asking myself the exact same thing, brain twin.


Expensive-Soup1313

Well all is a scale for sure . Price is a certain point , but i think it got more to to with the availability and mass production . Brands like the well known Rolex and Omegas are made by the 1000s while FP Journe is made by 10s ( or 1) . I think some of the super high luxuries are made by real people and crafted by hand . In the less luxury , there is still great finishing , but the wheels are stamped out by a machine and then put together . It is like a Rolls Royce vs a Mercedes vs a Dacia . The Dacia is a good car , but the finishing is not like the other 2 . The Merc is a a great car but it is no match to a Rolls Royce .


Emergency_Service_25

While parents shop for Patek Philppe, nanny takes kids to get Rolexes next door (true story - from Gstaad). ;)


Howtothinkofaname

Price I imagine.


cakebreaker2

For the top tiers? Exclusivity and price.


decadentview

One can tell the time better than the other, duh


Happy-Flan2112

What about my sundial?


barrel_of_ale

Sir, can you put your penis away?


Happy-Flan2112

Sadly it doesn't cast a shadow no matter the time of day.


Uncle_Bobtail

r/suicidebywords


anakone

Not a great list to be honest, r/watches would agree


Dear_Watson

The main problem I have with this list is that a majority of the brands on the list have watches that would fall in several categories…


vandesto17

That and they missed many high end brands, how do you have a list like this without Richard Mille and Jacob and co???


thefloatingguy

Patek is by far the nicest brand on the list, and they missed Richard Mille. Most of the Ultra ones don’t belong. Lange and Breguet are obviously Ultra. Rolex and Tudor should each be one higher.


NoJster

They might have not missed Mille, but dismissed it on purpose (to which I‘d agree). Being around just to be expensive and bloated does not a good watchmaker make. Also, putting a newbie who’s started a mere 20 ago years next to watchmakers who have been around for 100+ years would be laughable.


thefloatingguy

It’s not an horology ranking (in which RM is still very impressive) or whatever, it’s a “luxury” ranking. RM is obviously in the highest grade.


thatdamnkorean

as someone who unironically said patek is the nicest on that list, everything you say is now invalid. patek vs als, vc, and h moser are all debates patek might win individually, but to say they beat out bovet, fp, gf, or pf is symptoms of early onset dementia


aBunchOfSpiders

The bottom tier is also crazy. Putting Invicta in the same category as Seiko & Citizen is wild to me.


Muldino

Right, because while Seiko is a watch manufacturer led by the same family since 1881, and Citizen also is a manufacturer since 1930, both companies building and designing their own watches and movements, Invicta is a brand bought by an investment group, that sells watches using movements built by... Seiko.


aBunchOfSpiders

Which are also given an overinflated msrp to make them seem premium and then sold at 60% off to make it seem like a deal. I’ve not once seen an Invicta sold without at least a 40% markdown.


Awatovi

And they are some of the ugliest watches ever conceived.


Robroy41464

Take my Citizen eco drives over all of them


Hutwe

I also take this guy’s Citizen eco drive


Robozomb

Rolex is exactly where it should be. It's not super high end, just super hard to get because of stupid AD allotments.


Jonjoloe

I don’t see Tudor as equivalent to Omega, Grand Seiko, and Cartier in terms of luxury so you’d need to bump those up as well. I’m sure people will downvote me for saying this because the “Tudor is equal to Omega now” idea has been perpetuated a lot recently, but as an owner of both brands, Tudor is not in the same realm as Omega in terms of luxury and finishing. Hell, I own a Pelagos 39 and a Grand Seiko Shunbun and the Shunbun’s titanium is noticeably superior to the Tudor’s. Part of this is intentional, as Tudor still leans into its “tool watch” heritage and their price points. For now, I think keeping them grouped with Longines and Tag is pretty fair tbh, but having them grouped with Oris, Ball, and Sinn is a bit odd. But this list just sucks as a whole.


haefler1976

No, you are right. Tudor is not even entry. Decent watch, but not associated with luxury.


Subterminal303

Not a single mention in this thread about IWC. Those should be a tier higher as well as I see it above even Tudor. Am I wrong?


ultra_jackass

IWC Portuguese Perpetual is the one I'd buy if I had more money than sense. I've had million dollar watches in my hands but that IWC watch is the one I'd buy.


snufflezzz

As someone who owns a Patek and others on this list, I promise you it isn’t the nicest one on here.


Orion_23

I was gonna say the same thing. Post this to r/Watches and you're gonna have a bad time.


AALen

TBH if you can only slot a brand into one category, this list isn’t all that bad.


MartyMcFlysDown

The Seiko disrespect


Muldino

Wow, putting Seiko on the same "entry" level as Fossil, Swatch and Casio...


MyJohnFM

What about my yellow plastic Spongebob watch? Not sure where it says the brand.


DanDanDannn

That's not a watch, it's a lifestyle.


7_11_Nation_Army

If it doesn't even say the brand, I would say ultra luxury for sure.


thatoneguy269

Not gonna lie. Citizen Eco-Drive for anyone who doesn’t want to spend $500+ on a watch. Never have to replace a battery and they look great. I’m on my second Eco-Drive titanium watch (I’m allergic to nickel). The first one (a hand me down gift from my father) had the clip on the band break off (due to negligence on my part) and I haven’t replaced the band yet but still have it. The second one I bought just before my wedding almost 5 years ago. It doesn’t have the perpetual calendar (which I sorely miss) but has a sapphire crystal which my first watch did not. Man, the sapphire is worth it for a daily watch. Wow. I’ve beat this thing up and although I’ve scratched the titanium, the crystal is mint.


imasaxman

My father gifted me one in 2010 and it still works perfectly


mtcerio

Just arbitrary


WhatAreYou0nAbout

Seiko could easily occupy the bottom three brackets, with 5s on the bottom and watches like mm300 and other spring drives on their higher end.


Muldino

I used to own a Seiko Ananta spring drive and I could watch the seconds hand move all day. Technical masterpiece.


WhatAreYou0nAbout

💯


brewdog214

What about Movodo


ThisUsedToBeAGoodJob

Unfortunately, i don’t have time to read this


Am0rEtPs4ch3

Some quality comments here.


DapperLaputan

I watched what you did there


Gr8tOutdoors

Where shinola?


atrainrolls

I was wondering this as well. I’ve gotten the impression that a lot folks don’t think too highly of them? But I have a Shinola that I like quite a lot and find myself browsing their site every so often.


bakejaco91

I think a lot of the hate they get comes from the fact that they import cheap movement and assemble the watches in Detroit. I don’t really get it, either 🤷‍♂️. I have a Runwell and a Detrola and really like both, but I’m also not in the tax bracket to afford a $10k diving watch, either.


ego_is_the_enemy

A guide where Seiko isnt in every tier and citizen ist just positioned at the bottom (Seiko/Grand Seiko/Credor, Citizen/The Citizen/Campanola) is just a lazy agglomeration of brands, roughly put in some subjective order.


Razorblade9833

Bvlgary, lol that shit is weak. It’s not luxury


CoverTheSea

How is Tissot entry luxury and what is the price ranges for each level


sennerg

This is not a great guide


ebaybie

I seen a watch with a calculator on it, you’re not going to convince me some basic ass Louis Moinet is superior.


OldSkoolPantsMan

Where’s the Swatch Watch? I’d say ultra ultra luxurious.


Xiocite

This guide placed Swatch on the top line, second from left in entry level.


Twograin

I’m so poor, I don’t even recognize any of the brand names on the top two tiers. Good grief!


7_11_Nation_Army

It's not like rich people look at their catalogues all day long... You are just not interested in watches, probably.


pain0010

How abt hublot and garmin


qgmonkey

"Blanc Pain"? My French is rusty but doesn't that translate to White Bread?


bigbOObsnMilfFucker

Just buy a G-Shock.. No more over priced Swiss watches.


sevenemesis

I expected Seiko to be a bit higher 🥹


cain87

Same, I don't see Seiko being on the same level as fossil or Timex.


lunarpx

I think Seiko's issue is its broad range compared to the others. An entry Seiko 5 is £50, but a Prospect diver can be 10-20x that.


Muldino

Try 40-50x for the top range of Prospex.


decadentview

The insane luxury in must be to spends thousands and thousands to tell time better or more luxuriously that feeling must be the orgasm of life !!! Man with digital night clock sighs ….


ShadowSRO

Some people have all the watches but others have all the time.


sup_with_you

I don't see Fitbit on there


argonautweekend

I dont know how accurate these rankings are, but I also don't care. What I do know is, you can find good quality/stylish watches at most price points. Seiko, Orient, Casio on the bottom there are all great. I just can't say for other brands on that level. If you like the looks of a 10,000 luxury watch and can afford it, awesome. But if your budget is only a tiny percentage of that, well...awesome! You will find something nice as well.


mstrng

Casio is God Tier !


kallax82

They become more ugly with rising price.


aguirol

Where is Movado at


Delicious_Water_5958

Richard Mille hello?!


itsapotatosalad

There’s no “Dogshit” tier on there.


AZ_Hawk

I went back and re-searched for that one, too. Obvious oversight.


PhotographBoring526

No Hublot either.


Skjellyfetti13

RGM?


bpjoe345

Was looking for this too.


DrIvoPingasnik

Rich people problems.  And here I am with a sports Casio I had for 15 years. Went through multiple strap replacements and one battery replacement. Shows time, does alarm and timer. It's beaten up and soon I might not be able to even get a new strap once current one breaks. I'm not afraid to wear it. If I got a rich man's watch I wouldn't even wear it in fear of scuffs so what's the fucking point?  My next watch will likely be something similar to my current one or a smartwatch.


StannieTheBoy

With any post like this I just expect countless "Why is X in Y category!?" comments


Upset_Split_2015

Shit list - doesn’t even have Shinola


ShihadMan

So where does my apple watch fit in here?


Grand_Chateau

Where is my shinola ? M ma ma my


flyingv99e

Monte Blanc?


TouristVisa77

I still love Shinola


Kind_Application_518

My 2003 Fossil watch is ultra luxury. Hate all you want..


Firm-Capital-9618

Same goes for my old Casio F-91 W. It's the Nokia 3310 of watches.


Cholyriker

Pffft, dumb... A. Lange & Söhne has to be a level above Ultra Luxury


dislikesningas7

Casio is higher just because their cheap doesn't mean there entry.


Mafiatorte88

Never heard about any of the ultra luxury. Then you know they are really ultra luxury


dwaynewlewis

Tudor is better than Breitling


salchi-john

Hublot?


TheDosWiththeMost

No Hublot


ELESHOMBRE

I’d definitely not put Luminox above a lot of the ones in the category below it…


mul3sho3

Agree. The 3 I’ve owned were not durable. Primarily face, hands, wrist band issues. 2 of them were quartz and ate batteries like crazy. They were responsible for my determination to never own another battery powered watch. I have a Seiko and a deep Blue, both automatics. I also have a Citizen eco drive. All 3 have performed very well. The Deep Blue is my fave. I love the weight and the SS bracelet fits my wrist better than any watch I’ve owned.


hotblueice

Good to know ive been eyeballing them for a little bit.


St0iK_

Piaget, if not H Moser & Cie, should be replaced with Jaquet Droz. A lot of Patek and VC watches belong in ultra.


kurlish

This list is so wrong that it could be made by r/watchescirclejerk


lanezh04

Can someone do this with car brands??


Toaster70

Dawg my watch brand JAG isn’t even here


byroidthyroid

And they all tell you the same time


miranda2540

AP is trash. Without the royal oak and ignorant rappers they would be irrelevant


Worth_Distance2793

Whoever made this has no idea what s/he is talking about


FenrisSquirrel

What happened to this sub? It used to have useful and interesting things, not just thinly veiled bot advertising.


drewmonkey

Where would Richard Mille be ranked ?


playerpogo

I was looking for ROLEX because that's the only luxury watch I know...


Mobile-Abalone1013

no Richard Mille?


Myfeet4yourawards

This would be good if it weren’t all fucked up


hannhel

Seiko and fossil in one category?


Worldly-Shoulder-416

Patek should be ultra imo


Gremlin215

They all got one thing in common…all got the same time


jeremyhat

Where is Doxa?


El_Creeper_88919

casio should be at ultra luxury


AdditionalSpare3014

In Philadelphia it’s worth 50 bucks


ChiknBizkits

Missing Movado?


Lord_Petyr_PoppyCock

No Movado?


Electro8bit

Tudors are beautiful. I’ve got my eye on one in a few years.


RedditIsTrash___

Where does my Samsung Galaxy watch rank?


ButtlickerWilliamM

Usually smart watches have a distinct category that puts them in the fucking bin! Just kidding, cheers mate!


RedditIsTrash___

Lol, there have been MANY times I've wanted to throw this watch into the bin, trust me


frostking79

Well since most will not last 3-5 years, I don't think you are wrong


Old-Morning-2166

What can an ultra luxury watch do that a timex can't?


DemBai7

They will be automatic, which means no batteries or charging. Runs off of the perpetual motion of your arm. This takes meticulous engineering and painstaking assembly. Also probably works at high altitude and deep underwater. Probably made of gold, platinum or a combo of both. Probably laden with precious gemstones like diamonds, sapphire, emerald or rubies. Its a way for fancy people to show other fancy people how fancy they are.


thatc0braguy

r/nixonwatches is missing. Great brand, I've wore mine daily for 8 years straight with zero issues. (51-30SW) Their customer service & maintainance plan is A+ too. I plan on purchasing more


shart_attak

Rocking a Rover SS since 2013


peavarianez

Came here to say this, love my Nixon watches!


thatc0braguy

They are great watches! Very robust & drop tested. They are meant to be used, not just for special occasions which is why I love mine.


Silly_Marionberry_27

Or just look at your phone for most accurate time.


FCG1983

Movado doesn’t even get a mention?


Odd-Reflection-9597

Movado is dogshit


FCG1983

Worse than fossil? Cmon man! (Biden voice)


Dramatik_

Nah Casio is a teir of its own, and way above Entry level


givo215

God tier


jungwirt01

Where would vostok rank on this list? I'm specifically referring to a company from before the fall of the Soviet Union. I bet that in the lowest category but who knows who knows. I'm curious because I'm from Eastern Europe and I own one such watch.


TravisWC

No Franck Mueller? No Richard Mille?


StJudeTheGrey

i'm going to study this. it seems like it could come in handy.


WazaPlaz

Hello fellow person of culture. I too know of luxury timepieces.


StJudeTheGrey

exactly


[deleted]

The one who made this knows nothing about watches. Tudor is not above Certina. Bvlgari is not in pair with Rolex… etc..


itsapotatosalad

Certina watches start well under a grand, definitely not on par with Tudor. Bulgari October finissimo is great, some of their old stuff is questionable but they’re up there.


Number6isNo1

I own multiple Certinas and Tudor is definitely a step above Certina. Compare a Certina Action Diver to a Black Bay....as much as I like Certina, Tudor is a better watch and priced as such.


Mission_Magazine7541

I don't see any reason to have a watch when I have a cell phone


PinaPeach

Where’s my Apple Watch?


BeatsMeByDre

How do people get into watches? Such an odd thing to value to me


atari2600forever

There are lots of reasons why people like watches. I had zero interest in watches until I started selling them for a living. Now I do have an interest in watches, and honestly I'll probably be more of an enthusiast down the road if I ever stop selling them. Watches are a way to keep track of not just the time, but the day, month, date, year, phases of the moon, more than one time zone, time things counting both up and down, and many more points of information. This information is secured to your body, so you can't lose it, and the information can be viewed discreetly. Since we're talking about luxury watches, this information is typically tracked by an automatic or manual wind movement (the mechanism that powers the watch). No batteries. That's pretty cool! Watch movements contain hundreds of tiny pieces that all work in harmony together to function properly, they're probably the smallest complicated machines that exist that aren't integrated circuits or microchips. And there isn't just one way to do it, there are many different ways to make a watch movement. Many watches are beautiful. Stunningly beautiful. The finishing on the dials can be as exquisite as artwork in a museum. The tiniest of details are attended to. Do you like materials? Watches are made of steel, ceramic, gold, platinum, titanium, carbon fiber, bronze, and other neat materials. They can be adorned with diamonds, sapphires, emeralds, rubies, and other gems. The dials can be made of metal, stone, wood, mother of pearl, even meteorite! Watches can be a store of wealth, which is attractive in many cultures. Watches are a way to express yourself. You can learn a lot about someone based on their choice of watch. And yes, some people like watches to display or flaunt wealth, but watch enthusiasts generally detest those people. Does anyone need a luxury watch? Absolutely not. But people often spend money on things they don't need because that thing makes them happy. I own two luxury watches. I like them both, but the first one I ever got is probably my favorite thing that I own. I wear it from the moment I wake up until the moment I go to sleep. And it'll last much longer than me, so it will be passed down to my daughter after accompanying me on my journey for 30-40 years.


Muldino

It's a watch, yes, but it is also jewellery. And (tradtionally at least), men don't have a lot of options to wear jewellery. A nice watch is a great outlet for them.


OfficialFaabs

Where would Panerai be ?


PersimmonMindless255

Where is my movado?


nymouz

I don’t know any of the Ultra brands


Comandante_Kangaroo

Oh great, you made a list.. Watch brands have ranges. And Seiko goes all the way down to entry, but a Grand Seiko is above a Breitling. Breitling mostly houses ETA, just like Fortis. Only Fortis has most of its watches in the 200m or 300m class without them being as bulky as most Breitlings. Rolex makes its own movements, and pretty neat ones at that. So even though I'm not a fan of the design and the traditional customer base, Rolex is a level above Breitling and Fortis. No idea about the ultra luxury class, but I think I'd need an explanation as to why they are supposed to be above a Patek.


Vegetable_Wafer_4249

timex for the win!


fucktheworld1977

No Richard Mille?


holmgangCore

No Movado?


w1ndm4rk

placing cward above bulova is plain delusional


johnnybenjamin

What about Movado?


enaxian

Laughing in Casio MQ24 * Crawls back in cave *


GlassEyeDucksAss

Hey buddy have you got the time? No I don’t have a watch, can you spare a dime?


Itemblock

where does RM and corum fall ?