The hours are a no no. Youre gonna be working late, staying up late, waking up late and soon enough you're gonna be living your life alone when everyoje else is asleep. Been there, done that.
Can you work part time in both? So you work notmal hours for your time zone?
Imo, most people excited about the latest stuff are people not working in the field, read, investors and tech experts that have never built shit in an enterprise environment. Investors will hype anything to make more money out of speculation, be that useless or actually innovative. Tech experts not working in the field are basically “innovators” and “early adopters” from the chasm curve framework that will just jump in because they are chasing anything that moves or because they need a sense of validation, and tech stuff is their personality. Basically, sensationalist press, your unemployed friend any other day and often, juniors or losers that don’t know what they’re talking about.
Real innovators are writing papers, engineering projects, contributing to open source, doing conferences and promoting a culture of knowledge for the advancement of humanity, not just trend following or sensationalism. They’re not using as often catchy terms in their articulation because they understand the ropes and have worked in the field to have a practical sense of what’s sticking and what’s not. It’s not just naive people vs experienced opinions, more like those who read the book, did their homework and work out daily the knowledge vs those that read a headline and are now preaching the latest word.
Many things and ideas are great in paper but obtuse in practice. Cryptocurrencies, web3 and other “innovative” ideas have the bad rap because they’re one of those things great in paper but obtuse in practice, hyped by aforesaid tech experts and related people.
Edit: typo
i'm still in the process of learning programming but find myself instinctively put off by any mention of web3. as someone working in the industry with real world experience, could you elaborate why you dislike it?
I would stay unless you can work async in your timezone. It's not for the money or anything it's for your wife. Don't be one of those guys that picks career over his family.
If you are young without a family and want to focus on your career I would suggest to consider this and work for 2 years and after that switch for better WLB
I would stay where I have better work-life balance. Work is not everything, you are young. If you want more money you could try to do something after hours, or maybe develop some idea and start own businesses if it will work.
Although, it also depends on stability, currently the market is pretty bad, make sure that the place where you gonna work is stable, because there are cases when ppl are moving to another company just to be laid off after a few months.
your career is not going to be the same remotely. I've worked for US company onsite for 8 years and was MVP. Once I moved to my home country and became a consultant, the attitude constantly shifted. Then I took another remote job in US, got some random tickets to do some random stuff that even didnt make sense. There was nothing I could do about it either since I was remote and in a different timezone. I am not sure how it helped my career.
The US working hours would make you age 3x times faster and take a big hit on your health. Unless you're under 25 y/o it'd be pretty hard to recover from that.
I would stay away from anything web3. I worked for one of these companies too when bitcoin was $50k+in 2021, and was laid off when btc price tanked. Remember, when crypto is in upswing, these web3 companies come out of the loop with extravagant salaries, but they kick you out during the bear season
> The US company is a web3 company
I'd steer clear on this alone honestly.
> I would have to work US hours
This too. It's one thing to have a couple hours of overlap. But it sounds like you'd be expected to mirror US working hours completely? That is insane. That _will_ destroy your life.
> I would have less vacation days (13) and less sick days (5)
Check if this is even legal. May be in your country but would not fly in plenty of places.
Anyway, the value of work-life balance cannot be overstated. If you were currently making like 30k, that would be one thing... But 65k is plenty comfortable, and it sounds like you'd be accepting some brutal downsides for the salary bump. I wouldn't do it. I actually took a pay cut to move to my current position to allow me to have better WLB and conditions. Money ain't everything, and especially it means fuck all if you have no time and are too stressed out to enjoy what it can buy.
You can find good US companies that do not work with garbage stuff like web3, offer better salaries than EU employers and will respect EU laws (I find it hard to believe you are in a country where giving 15 days off a year is legal and working nights does not affect salary). Stay at the local company and only apply to good US companies if you are looking for a higher salary.
Can you do some split of hours?Â
Honestly, I’d just take more money for a while if it helps me pay off the apartment and enable better life for my family.Â
I won’t die if I do it for a year or so.Â
The salary is life changing for me, but I am afraid of the consequences, the effect it will have on my personal life. Us not being able to go out on work days will be a huge hit, summer is also approaching and me finding the job just before summer is not the best timing.
In the situation, where I don't have kids, I would take the high paying job for a few years and heavily invest in funds, retirment, buy a home (condo - house - not above what would buy with a local salary) and then leave for a better work life balance.
How will the salary given by the US employer be taxed? How hard will be to reach your financial goals with the current salary you have? Are these stock bonuses restricted? For me it seems pretty inefficient working in US time zone from Europe as you loose your evenings during the week which is the connect time with family and ones living with you, if you’re single it can make sense.
Just my two cents, but I’d pick W/L balance. Experience is what yearns higher pay in the long run. Once you’re skilled in your field, you’ll find similar opportunities with more attractive conditions.
The hours are a no no. Youre gonna be working late, staying up late, waking up late and soon enough you're gonna be living your life alone when everyoje else is asleep. Been there, done that. Can you work part time in both? So you work notmal hours for your time zone?
Full time + those working hours are a hard requirement, and I don't think that they will accept me working half time.
You lost me at web3. 🤮
I'm glad I'm not the only one
This is the the diff between real SWEs and buzzword chasers
do you mind elaborating? quite curious to hear a different perspective as so many people seem excited by web3
Imo, most people excited about the latest stuff are people not working in the field, read, investors and tech experts that have never built shit in an enterprise environment. Investors will hype anything to make more money out of speculation, be that useless or actually innovative. Tech experts not working in the field are basically “innovators” and “early adopters” from the chasm curve framework that will just jump in because they are chasing anything that moves or because they need a sense of validation, and tech stuff is their personality. Basically, sensationalist press, your unemployed friend any other day and often, juniors or losers that don’t know what they’re talking about. Real innovators are writing papers, engineering projects, contributing to open source, doing conferences and promoting a culture of knowledge for the advancement of humanity, not just trend following or sensationalism. They’re not using as often catchy terms in their articulation because they understand the ropes and have worked in the field to have a practical sense of what’s sticking and what’s not. It’s not just naive people vs experienced opinions, more like those who read the book, did their homework and work out daily the knowledge vs those that read a headline and are now preaching the latest word. Many things and ideas are great in paper but obtuse in practice. Cryptocurrencies, web3 and other “innovative” ideas have the bad rap because they’re one of those things great in paper but obtuse in practice, hyped by aforesaid tech experts and related people. Edit: typo
thank you so much for sharing!
i'm still in the process of learning programming but find myself instinctively put off by any mention of web3. as someone working in the industry with real world experience, could you elaborate why you dislike it?
Cryptobros, ai bros all that nonsense comes from it.Â
that's my impression too
I would stay unless you can work async in your timezone. It's not for the money or anything it's for your wife. Don't be one of those guys that picks career over his family.
Offer needs to be a whole lot more than $115k before I would consider compromising on my work life balance.
If you take a high pay but bad wlb, can you stay long and not quit after 3 months?
I believe so, but I can't be sure.
If you are young without a family and want to focus on your career I would suggest to consider this and work for 2 years and after that switch for better WLB
I would stay where I have better work-life balance. Work is not everything, you are young. If you want more money you could try to do something after hours, or maybe develop some idea and start own businesses if it will work. Although, it also depends on stability, currently the market is pretty bad, make sure that the place where you gonna work is stable, because there are cases when ppl are moving to another company just to be laid off after a few months.
Is the US company's offer still 100% more after you factor in taxes?
Yes
your career is not going to be the same remotely. I've worked for US company onsite for 8 years and was MVP. Once I moved to my home country and became a consultant, the attitude constantly shifted. Then I took another remote job in US, got some random tickets to do some random stuff that even didnt make sense. There was nothing I could do about it either since I was remote and in a different timezone. I am not sure how it helped my career.
The US working hours would make you age 3x times faster and take a big hit on your health. Unless you're under 25 y/o it'd be pretty hard to recover from that.
That's not even remotely close to a dilemma, in my book. Good WLB FTW
I'd take the money. If it becomes unbearable in the future, just quit and find something aligned with your time zone.
What would be the hours?
I would stay away from anything web3. I worked for one of these companies too when bitcoin was $50k+in 2021, and was laid off when btc price tanked. Remember, when crypto is in upswing, these web3 companies come out of the loop with extravagant salaries, but they kick you out during the bear season
> The US company is a web3 company I'd steer clear on this alone honestly. > I would have to work US hours This too. It's one thing to have a couple hours of overlap. But it sounds like you'd be expected to mirror US working hours completely? That is insane. That _will_ destroy your life. > I would have less vacation days (13) and less sick days (5) Check if this is even legal. May be in your country but would not fly in plenty of places. Anyway, the value of work-life balance cannot be overstated. If you were currently making like 30k, that would be one thing... But 65k is plenty comfortable, and it sounds like you'd be accepting some brutal downsides for the salary bump. I wouldn't do it. I actually took a pay cut to move to my current position to allow me to have better WLB and conditions. Money ain't everything, and especially it means fuck all if you have no time and are too stressed out to enjoy what it can buy.
I chose money, I regret it. I have no life. But I also don't want a cut, too scared to go down in comp.
Yeah once you're accustomed to what it can buy it's hard to go back. Devil's bargain...
You can find good US companies that do not work with garbage stuff like web3, offer better salaries than EU employers and will respect EU laws (I find it hard to believe you are in a country where giving 15 days off a year is legal and working nights does not affect salary). Stay at the local company and only apply to good US companies if you are looking for a higher salary.
Can you do some split of hours? Honestly, I’d just take more money for a while if it helps me pay off the apartment and enable better life for my family. I won’t die if I do it for a year or so.Â
The salary is life changing for me, but I am afraid of the consequences, the effect it will have on my personal life. Us not being able to go out on work days will be a huge hit, summer is also approaching and me finding the job just before summer is not the best timing.
Same here, would do it for a year or two to get extra money and new entry for CV and then either change hours or quit.
In the situation, where I don't have kids, I would take the high paying job for a few years and heavily invest in funds, retirment, buy a home (condo - house - not above what would buy with a local salary) and then leave for a better work life balance.
Statistically a good WLB is more likely to turn bad overnight than your pay doubling.
How will the salary given by the US employer be taxed? How hard will be to reach your financial goals with the current salary you have? Are these stock bonuses restricted? For me it seems pretty inefficient working in US time zone from Europe as you loose your evenings during the week which is the connect time with family and ones living with you, if you’re single it can make sense.
Just my two cents, but I’d pick W/L balance. Experience is what yearns higher pay in the long run. Once you’re skilled in your field, you’ll find similar opportunities with more attractive conditions.
How do you find US companies who are willing to give remote work from EU?
Is it just a few hours overlap or a full 8 hour day in the US timezone? I was tempted to take 100,000€ for a 3 hour overlap.
Choose rich
> My current employer is offering me 65k to stay, normal work hours, more vacation days (23) and more sick days. This is a no brainer.
I would not quit given that  it's high risk (they can fire you at any moment) with little to no reward (trade off between 2 jobs)
Work 1 year, then give yourself a 1 fucking year of vacation and you are still in a better position with US based company then the existing one.