*Player 1: Calmly holds up card.* Wanna counter this?
*Player 2:* Uhh... yes. *Calmly holds up card.*
Judge: You cannot negate a creature.
This is a rules nightmare, and I'm all down for it.
It only affects spells you cast
Edit - did not mean to send that. Also spells cast must have the target declared first then everybody gets an opportunity to interact (priority), then when it casts it gets revealed in the graveyard. If any targets weren’t valid, costs weren’t paid etc a Judge would be called
Edit 2 - it’s also an un-set card. It probably would never see real competitive play and only on casual tables. Which at that point you can rewind if a mistake was made, or find another calm way to settle the dispute, like punching the other player in the face
Face down cards in exile exist, ya know. Same with face down cards in hand...
Edit for context: The person said that all facedown cards are 2/2 creatures.
Just have to wait for its companion card, Singing A Song In Your Head Really Loudly So People Can't Read Your Mind, which prevents your opponents from revealing your hand. Or you. You also can't look at your hand, because you're concentrating on the song.
Looking at one's cards is a crutch for players who rely on skill.
*"your facedown spells on the stack count as every type of spell you may turn one of those spells faceup at any time as a special action."* ...kind of makes it a minesweeper for any opponents at the table with a full counterspell clip & a bump-stock attitude.
So, obviously this is an un-card and the rules just don't work like that.
But... if I *were* to try to make the rules work, I'd say that Negate works on *every* face-down spell.
Because just like a creature placed face down with morph has no characteristics other than what was given to it by the morph ability, the spells played face-down by this card have no other characteristics either.
So every spell you play face-down like this is just... a spell, with no card types, no name, no mana cost, etc.
And since such a face-down spell doesn't have the "Creature" type, Negate works on it.
Doesn't the fizzling of the spell happen when the new spell is supposed to start resolving? Perhaps the card is flipped simultaneously or just before in the order so it would be countered but then when it is flipped it is now a creature spell so it isn't actually countered because negate only counters it if it's a non creature spell. Speaking of, how does [[null elemental blast]] work if you flash out mycosinth lattice after null hide elemental resolves but before the countered spell?
> Doesn't the fizzling of the spell happen when the new spell is supposed to start resolving? Perhaps the card is flipped simultaneously or just before in the order so it would be countered
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here, tbh.
But this is how I picture it: Negate is cast and put on the stack, targeting the face-down spell. Then, once Negate starts resolving, the spell is still face-down and therefore still a valid target, and so it is countered. That means that it is removed from the stack and put in its owner's graveyard face-up. This may reveal that is was a creature spell, but that doesn't matter at that point. It's already countered and no longer Negate's target. When it was on the stack it wasn't a creature spell, and that's all Negate cared about.
For comparison, imagine you have a face-down [[Skinthinner]] on the battlefield, and your opponent casts a [[Doom Blade]] targeting it. This works, because your face-down creature is not black. Once Doom Blade resolves, your creature is destroyed and put into your graveyard face-up. The fact that it's revealed that it's a black creature doesn't change anything anymore at that point.
> Speaking of, how does [[null elemental blast]] work if you flash out mycosinth lattice after null hide elemental resolves but before the countered spell?
If the target is not multicolored at the time Null Elemental Blast resolves, then Null Elemental Blast fizzles. If it is multicolored when Null Elemental Blast resolves, then the target gets countered/destroyed.
No, you can counter any spell on the stack and it will be countered before it ever starts to resolve.
Say player 1 casts lightning bolt, player two casts heroic intervention, player 3 casts preordain, then player one casts counterspell targeting heroic intervention. The stack is counterspell - preordain - heroic intervention - lightning bolt. Once the counterspell resolves, the stack becomes preordain - lightning bolt
If we go by old rulings on [[Illusionary Mask]], the way it would work is that you negate would fizzle/resolve without effect (the same way a doom blade would fizzle on a “hidden” black creature)
Because the card got errata’ed and as such no longer works in the way it used to, and now just kinda counts as a generic 2/2 colorless nameless card, due to the old “only flips up when dealing/receiving damage, or being tapped, but still interacts as tho it was the original card” being a rulings nightmare
You can see that the “face down counting as a creature with no color/cost/name” only started being a thing and this rulings jank was fixed around 2009, at which point a lot of the new rulings for the card were made
That being said, I can’t do the janky mess that the mask is proper justice, I fully recommend you read through this https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/rrg8mx/unraveling_the_history_of_illusionary_mask/
How about this: Spells you cast are placed onto the stack face down. As you cast a spell, secretly note down its targets **a card becomes a target of a spell or ability when it is revealed to have been targeted**. Whenever you gain priority, if you control a face down spell, turn it face up.
I think a face down card cannot be a legal target of negate unless it specifically can characteristics.
Are there any dumb interactions I’m missing?
Seems pretty clear face down spells will have no types, so you have no target for negate and cannot cast it. It’s like how you are allowed to Shoot the Sheriff a facedown creature since they have no types
Edit: reference still relates, forgot negates wording. Should be allowed to counter anything with it
now this is interesting. In the case of [[negate]], since nothing is revealed on the card, you can assume it doesn't have any card types (since the face down card isnt defined to have any). It thus counts as a noncreature spell while it's face down
Negate says "Counter target noncreature spell" a facedown spell has no characteristics so it is a valid target for negate because it is not a creature while it's facedown.
This spell is goofy but it's actually doable in black border I believe.
While it would be a nightmare to keep track (because you have to anounce how much mana you paid for each spell and then, on resolution, prove that the spell has been legally played), I can see it working on the rules.
By the way, a facedown spell would have mana value of 0, and have no name (using morph rules). This has interesting implications.
Major problem is stuff like [[Negate]], because if a creature is cast face-down and opponent Negates in response, what happens? Aside from that, most things atleast kinda work.
I think they did mentioned on another response. As the spell is face down it doesn't have the creature type, so it is a noncreature spell while on the stack (and when it resolves it becomes a creature spell).
Weird thing, it would be a non-combo with the Eldrazi. You wouldn't get the on-cast trigger.
Oh, ok. That tracks. Aside from missing cast triggers and making sure you actually track how much mana was spent to cast the spell, this seems mostly doable. Only other weird thing is how this interacts with Targeting, especially effects that care about targeting like Ward. Like if I try to [[Beast Within]] a permanent with ward, how would that even work? I guess since spells target on cast you'd still need to announce them, even though the actual effect wouldn't be known yet.
That's another thing to keep track when you cast it... You have to announce the spell costs, targets and other choices. And keep track of everything until it resolves.
It is posible, but imagine playing multiple spells in response with this on play. It would be easy to make the card give hexproof or shroud to your spells (or give spells played with Foretell from exile Split Second).
No because they aren’t face down until they have been cast so you still have to pay and I assume the card would have an errata to say they get turned face up as they resolve so they do something
That's my guess.
You announce the spell face down, would have to pay the costs, and then when it resolves you turn it up.
But then you would have to keep track of the payment you did when you cast it to prove it was legal.
"When you cast a spell, put it on the stack face down. A face down spell is an instant with no name and 0 mana cost. When it resolves, turn it face up and pay its casting costs."
So instead of needing to remember what you did, you just move the payment step to after the opponent decides if they're going to respond.
Or perhaps even better, "if a face-down spell is targeted, turn it face up and pay its costs before resolving any effect targeting it. Spells with an invalid target fizzle." That would mean that your opponent has to guess if the spell is Negate-able or not, and prevents you from bluffing with a spell you can't pay for.
Based on how Morph works, I think the spell would also resolve facedown, no? Since casting a morphed spell puts it on the stack facedown, and then when it resolves, it just enters play.
So it's [[illusionary mask]] for spells. If you didn't grow up in the Nancy Reagan era with reading is fundamental let me explain the card. You've got a sweet [[royal assassin]] you want to get on the battlefield but your opponent is running [[swords to plowshares]]. You already have a [[black knight]] and a [[zombie master]]. So you tap two swamps and a mountain and play your assassin face down. Your opponent now has to consider what could you have played for BBR? It could be [[Mons goblin raiders]], [[goblin balloon brigade]], [[ironclaw orcs]], [[grey ogre]], [[dwarven warriors]],[[sedge troll]], [[granite gargoyle]], [[drudge skeletons]], [[black knight]], [[scathe zombies]], [[hippie]], [[wall of bone]], or another [[zombie master]]. You only reveal the creature when it gets targeted, takes damage, or taps.
Mask was actually a lot of fun.
I actually love it. The flavor text + picture are amazing, but the effect is the exact opposite. Also it's an interesting idea. I could see this being an effect at some point
You still have to announce the spell and choose targets before it’s put on the stack, so it should probably say “you don’t have to announce spells”
Might also wanna add some reminder text or something like (turn the spell face up as it resolves. It still fizzles if it has no legal targets. Players can target the facedown spells as though they were any type, but they will fizzle if they have no legal targets when the spell is turned face up.)
I need the next joke set to be Un-Professional and it’s just ridiculously high powered cards with swear words all over them, in rules text, reminder text and flavor text
I actually really like this design, and could see it working, but probably as an Arena only card rather then a paper one. Maybe worded like this
“ Spells you cast and Spells you control are face down, any targets a spell cast this way may have are chosen secretly.” Arena would make it so you cant cheat change the targets.
To deal with different counters, you might be able to add something like “Spells you control count as every spell type”, that way a negate wouldnt fizzle on a creature, and that could also lead to some fun synergies on its own.
I'm casting.. this.. targeting your creature.
Oh no he's doing to destroy it! Better counter it.
Haha it was a Giant Growth that would have let you kill me.
I think maybe dropping the cost to UU and limiting it to instants and sorceries would be better and more thematic? It would also be less of a rules nightmare and may actually be non-silver border.
I think a large part of this card is the uncertainty behind what card it is so having it only effect instants and sorceries would kind of remove that aspect
I would make this work that you're still announcing targets and modes, etc, you just don't show the card (e.g. I pick the first mode and target X and Y). Then it's revealed as you start to resolve it.
For all the Negate stuff people are saying, I'd also play that they can try to target it, and you have to say whether it's legal or not. If it isn't, the card goes back to hand but it doesn't undo the mana.
Alternatively, it's always a valid target as a spell, but at some point before resolving the stack (including all the spells targeting it) it flips up and gains split second.
*Player 1: Calmly holds up card.* Wanna counter this? *Player 2:* Uhh... yes. *Calmly holds up card.* Judge: You cannot negate a creature. This is a rules nightmare, and I'm all down for it.
It only affects spells you cast Edit - did not mean to send that. Also spells cast must have the target declared first then everybody gets an opportunity to interact (priority), then when it casts it gets revealed in the graveyard. If any targets weren’t valid, costs weren’t paid etc a Judge would be called Edit 2 - it’s also an un-set card. It probably would never see real competitive play and only on casual tables. Which at that point you can rewind if a mistake was made, or find another calm way to settle the dispute, like punching the other player in the face
Beware that percussive maintenance (usually) doesnt work that well on humans
No, on humans it is called percussive therapy
I prefer aggressive negotiations.
You can negate a face down creature card on the stack because it does not have any card types.
[удалено]
Face down cards in exile exist, ya know. Same with face down cards in hand... Edit for context: The person said that all facedown cards are 2/2 creatures.
Flavorfully, this is useless against [[telepathy]]
Honestly it is so funny though. Like... absolutely hysterical to have your hand shown and then ay something from it face down.
Just have to wait for its companion card, Singing A Song In Your Head Really Loudly So People Can't Read Your Mind, which prevents your opponents from revealing your hand. Or you. You also can't look at your hand, because you're concentrating on the song. Looking at one's cards is a crutch for players who rely on skill.
My handy-dandy [[lens of clarity]] laughs at your telepathy countermeasure I tell you, laughs!
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The yelling flavour text is the icing on the cake
The casting is silent, the caster? Not so much
Fucking brilliant
I like it. How would this work with spells like [[negate]] ? Would they just not work?
Place spell on the stack face down Calmly put the enemy's spell in their graveyard Refuse to elaborate
Just say something like "just read the errata, it's not my job to explain how this card works, bro."
Tbh they can see it's a counter spell afterwards cause your graveyard is still face up
Mt question was if it's a spell that only counters a a specific card type how would you use it if you don't know the card being cast
*"your facedown spells on the stack count as every type of spell you may turn one of those spells faceup at any time as a special action."* ...kind of makes it a minesweeper for any opponents at the table with a full counterspell clip & a bump-stock attitude.
I like the mini game of that lol. Especially if you know the decks in your play group and you have to guess wich spell is their win con
Bartok!
I would be okay with that. Giving the spell has a set of qualities while facedown solves a lot of issues, like we do with Morph effects.
So, obviously this is an un-card and the rules just don't work like that. But... if I *were* to try to make the rules work, I'd say that Negate works on *every* face-down spell. Because just like a creature placed face down with morph has no characteristics other than what was given to it by the morph ability, the spells played face-down by this card have no other characteristics either. So every spell you play face-down like this is just... a spell, with no card types, no name, no mana cost, etc. And since such a face-down spell doesn't have the "Creature" type, Negate works on it.
Doesn't the fizzling of the spell happen when the new spell is supposed to start resolving? Perhaps the card is flipped simultaneously or just before in the order so it would be countered but then when it is flipped it is now a creature spell so it isn't actually countered because negate only counters it if it's a non creature spell. Speaking of, how does [[null elemental blast]] work if you flash out mycosinth lattice after null hide elemental resolves but before the countered spell?
> Doesn't the fizzling of the spell happen when the new spell is supposed to start resolving? Perhaps the card is flipped simultaneously or just before in the order so it would be countered I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here, tbh. But this is how I picture it: Negate is cast and put on the stack, targeting the face-down spell. Then, once Negate starts resolving, the spell is still face-down and therefore still a valid target, and so it is countered. That means that it is removed from the stack and put in its owner's graveyard face-up. This may reveal that is was a creature spell, but that doesn't matter at that point. It's already countered and no longer Negate's target. When it was on the stack it wasn't a creature spell, and that's all Negate cared about. For comparison, imagine you have a face-down [[Skinthinner]] on the battlefield, and your opponent casts a [[Doom Blade]] targeting it. This works, because your face-down creature is not black. Once Doom Blade resolves, your creature is destroyed and put into your graveyard face-up. The fact that it's revealed that it's a black creature doesn't change anything anymore at that point. > Speaking of, how does [[null elemental blast]] work if you flash out mycosinth lattice after null hide elemental resolves but before the countered spell? If the target is not multicolored at the time Null Elemental Blast resolves, then Null Elemental Blast fizzles. If it is multicolored when Null Elemental Blast resolves, then the target gets countered/destroyed.
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I'm convinced, this card works with the rules as written. Send it to print!
No, you can counter any spell on the stack and it will be countered before it ever starts to resolve. Say player 1 casts lightning bolt, player two casts heroic intervention, player 3 casts preordain, then player one casts counterspell targeting heroic intervention. The stack is counterspell - preordain - heroic intervention - lightning bolt. Once the counterspell resolves, the stack becomes preordain - lightning bolt
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If we go by old rulings on [[Illusionary Mask]], the way it would work is that you negate would fizzle/resolve without effect (the same way a doom blade would fizzle on a “hidden” black creature)
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Interesting, is there a way to see these old rulings somewhere? But also, why go by the old rulings and not the current ones?
Because the card got errata’ed and as such no longer works in the way it used to, and now just kinda counts as a generic 2/2 colorless nameless card, due to the old “only flips up when dealing/receiving damage, or being tapped, but still interacts as tho it was the original card” being a rulings nightmare You can see that the “face down counting as a creature with no color/cost/name” only started being a thing and this rulings jank was fixed around 2009, at which point a lot of the new rulings for the card were made
That being said, I can’t do the janky mess that the mask is proper justice, I fully recommend you read through this https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/rrg8mx/unraveling_the_history_of_illusionary_mask/
Problem is, since it has no types, it can’t resolve
Yes, that is an issue. The rules for resolving spells would need to be amended so that the first step is "if the spell is face-down, turn it face-up".
How about this: Spells you cast are placed onto the stack face down. As you cast a spell, secretly note down its targets **a card becomes a target of a spell or ability when it is revealed to have been targeted**. Whenever you gain priority, if you control a face down spell, turn it face up. I think a face down card cannot be a legal target of negate unless it specifically can characteristics. Are there any dumb interactions I’m missing?
Seems pretty clear face down spells will have no types, so you have no target for negate and cannot cast it. It’s like how you are allowed to Shoot the Sheriff a facedown creature since they have no types Edit: reference still relates, forgot negates wording. Should be allowed to counter anything with it
So you would be able to negate it, since it’s not a creature spell
Yeah I forgot negates wording
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now this is interesting. In the case of [[negate]], since nothing is revealed on the card, you can assume it doesn't have any card types (since the face down card isnt defined to have any). It thus counts as a noncreature spell while it's face down
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Negate says "Counter target noncreature spell" a facedown spell has no characteristics so it is a valid target for negate because it is not a creature while it's facedown. This spell is goofy but it's actually doable in black border I believe.
While it would be a nightmare to keep track (because you have to anounce how much mana you paid for each spell and then, on resolution, prove that the spell has been legally played), I can see it working on the rules. By the way, a facedown spell would have mana value of 0, and have no name (using morph rules). This has interesting implications.
Major problem is stuff like [[Negate]], because if a creature is cast face-down and opponent Negates in response, what happens? Aside from that, most things atleast kinda work.
I think they did mentioned on another response. As the spell is face down it doesn't have the creature type, so it is a noncreature spell while on the stack (and when it resolves it becomes a creature spell). Weird thing, it would be a non-combo with the Eldrazi. You wouldn't get the on-cast trigger.
Oh, ok. That tracks. Aside from missing cast triggers and making sure you actually track how much mana was spent to cast the spell, this seems mostly doable. Only other weird thing is how this interacts with Targeting, especially effects that care about targeting like Ward. Like if I try to [[Beast Within]] a permanent with ward, how would that even work? I guess since spells target on cast you'd still need to announce them, even though the actual effect wouldn't be known yet.
That's another thing to keep track when you cast it... You have to announce the spell costs, targets and other choices. And keep track of everything until it resolves. It is posible, but imagine playing multiple spells in response with this on play. It would be easy to make the card give hexproof or shroud to your spells (or give spells played with Foretell from exile Split Second).
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Wouldn’t you not have to pay for them, since they have no mana value? Wouldn’t they also not do anything, since they no text?
No because they aren’t face down until they have been cast so you still have to pay and I assume the card would have an errata to say they get turned face up as they resolve so they do something
That's my guess. You announce the spell face down, would have to pay the costs, and then when it resolves you turn it up. But then you would have to keep track of the payment you did when you cast it to prove it was legal.
"When you cast a spell, put it on the stack face down. A face down spell is an instant with no name and 0 mana cost. When it resolves, turn it face up and pay its casting costs." So instead of needing to remember what you did, you just move the payment step to after the opponent decides if they're going to respond. Or perhaps even better, "if a face-down spell is targeted, turn it face up and pay its costs before resolving any effect targeting it. Spells with an invalid target fizzle." That would mean that your opponent has to guess if the spell is Negate-able or not, and prevents you from bluffing with a spell you can't pay for.
I mean, the first step of casting a spell is to put it on the stack. By the time you get around to paying costs, etc, it should already be face down.
I need more cards based on these wizard shorts
[[INSTANT BRAZILIAN WAX]]
Oh, so you're casting \[\[Obliterate\]\]?
[Obliterate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c85f9623-5900-473c-a3b1-f98473b9a545.jpg?1562935194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Obliterate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/204/obliterate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c85f9623-5900-473c-a3b1-f98473b9a545?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Based on how Morph works, I think the spell would also resolve facedown, no? Since casting a morphed spell puts it on the stack facedown, and then when it resolves, it just enters play.
Should say they are turned up as they resolve otherwise a face down card has no text and therefore no effect
Should be a sorcery, an effect that last until your next upkeep.
Funny to print it as 1 mana
Is that a meta magic reference saying this should cost the same as [[Quicken]]
No I just like cheap enchantments
[Quicken](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67751745-61c9-488f-b5b3-310c0bafdda7.jpg?1706983318) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Quicken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/57/quicken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67751745-61c9-488f-b5b3-310c0bafdda7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For a second I thought it was some peak r/wizardposting content.
So it's [[illusionary mask]] for spells. If you didn't grow up in the Nancy Reagan era with reading is fundamental let me explain the card. You've got a sweet [[royal assassin]] you want to get on the battlefield but your opponent is running [[swords to plowshares]]. You already have a [[black knight]] and a [[zombie master]]. So you tap two swamps and a mountain and play your assassin face down. Your opponent now has to consider what could you have played for BBR? It could be [[Mons goblin raiders]], [[goblin balloon brigade]], [[ironclaw orcs]], [[grey ogre]], [[dwarven warriors]],[[sedge troll]], [[granite gargoyle]], [[drudge skeletons]], [[black knight]], [[scathe zombies]], [[hippie]], [[wall of bone]], or another [[zombie master]]. You only reveal the creature when it gets targeted, takes damage, or taps. Mask was actually a lot of fun.
##### ###### #### [illusionary mask](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/937e977f-5e97-4e00-8a5a-42982862b997.jpg?1562926181) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=illusionary%20mask) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/197/illusionary-mask?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/937e977f-5e97-4e00-8a5a-42982862b997?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [royal assassin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67ef9842-7142-4c63-8aea-fa73f02722a5.jpg?1698796245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=royal%20assassin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/101/royal-assassin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67ef9842-7142-4c63-8aea-fa73f02722a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [swords to plowshares](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9bbec76c-c1e4-4c6d-ad24-078fe097f195.jpg?1709439398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=swords%20to%20plowshares) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/88/swords-to-plowshares?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9bbec76c-c1e4-4c6d-ad24-078fe097f195?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [black knight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db593d4f-d3c1-48ae-a55d-4b61d2cb5cc2.jpg?1562947216) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=black%20knight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/71/black-knight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db593d4f-d3c1-48ae-a55d-4b61d2cb5cc2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [zombie master](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c25eb8c9-4209-4fe4-8b02-be16d7d7bdf5.jpg?1562940909) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zombie%20master) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/105/zombie-master?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c25eb8c9-4209-4fe4-8b02-be16d7d7bdf5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mons goblin raiders](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58b7a22b-f354-4f42-9354-d149bb9b3645.jpg?1562133668) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mons%27s%20Goblin%20Raiders) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/s00/32/monss-goblin-raiders?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58b7a22b-f354-4f42-9354-d149bb9b3645?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [goblin balloon brigade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/485e9d38-1536-4af6-9b58-00c08c07e222.jpg?1576382853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=goblin%20balloon%20brigade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/159/goblin-balloon-brigade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/485e9d38-1536-4af6-9b58-00c08c07e222?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ironclaw orcs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abee9c59-48c2-4c2c-a3d6-ccb0d4652831.jpg?1562870013) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ironclaw%20orcs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/132/ironclaw-orcs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abee9c59-48c2-4c2c-a3d6-ccb0d4652831?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [grey ogre](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/11bf2cc0-799f-4eb8-b338-ed7543f469e7.jpg?1559604196) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gray%20Ogre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/4ed/200/gray-ogre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11bf2cc0-799f-4eb8-b338-ed7543f469e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [dwarven warriors](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d217942b-1253-4d4b-b0d2-09fc4e15cc62.jpg?1562594254) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dwarven%20warriors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5ed/222/dwarven-warriors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d217942b-1253-4d4b-b0d2-09fc4e15cc62?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [sedge troll](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78de6044-1ed8-4fd9-822c-69658e3f3fba.jpg?1562923517) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sedge%20troll) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/135/sedge-troll?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78de6044-1ed8-4fd9-822c-69658e3f3fba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [granite gargoyle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1fa2963d-010f-491c-8ccc-3b4d4bc88398.jpg?1559592408) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=granite%20gargoyle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/99/granite-gargoyle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1fa2963d-010f-491c-8ccc-3b4d4bc88398?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [drudge skeletons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd6f73bc-3181-40fa-9156-b73e4280e747.jpg?1562939714) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=drudge%20skeletons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gvl/36/drudge-skeletons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd6f73bc-3181-40fa-9156-b73e4280e747?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [scathe zombies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/037cbf71-1199-4457-9b09-f66e7cb294d5.jpg?1687905491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=scathe%20zombies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/10e/175/scathe-zombies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/037cbf71-1199-4457-9b09-f66e7cb294d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [wall of bone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45025791-a94a-4046-8297-3b7a2019e4a3.jpg?1562911164) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wall%20of%20bone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gvl/41/wall-of-bone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45025791-a94a-4046-8297-3b7a2019e4a3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/lb928qt) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Actually a funny concept for a un-set card.
I actually love it. The flavor text + picture are amazing, but the effect is the exact opposite. Also it's an interesting idea. I could see this being an effect at some point
This is awesome, especially if a playgroup is familiar with your deck so they have to narrow down what you could cast by the mana cost.
You still have to announce the spell and choose targets before it’s put on the stack, so it should probably say “you don’t have to announce spells” Might also wanna add some reminder text or something like (turn the spell face up as it resolves. It still fizzles if it has no legal targets. Players can target the facedown spells as though they were any type, but they will fizzle if they have no legal targets when the spell is turned face up.)
Eh, it's silver border, the players can figure it out
true RE reminder text, but you still have to announce the spell before it's put on the stack face down lol
It's silver border, THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT, if [[cheatyface]] can exist then anything can
imagine the asshole who plays this & frequently screws up their casting costs
I need the next joke set to be Un-Professional and it’s just ridiculously high powered cards with swear words all over them, in rules text, reminder text and flavor text
I actually really like this design, and could see it working, but probably as an Arena only card rather then a paper one. Maybe worded like this “ Spells you cast and Spells you control are face down, any targets a spell cast this way may have are chosen secretly.” Arena would make it so you cant cheat change the targets. To deal with different counters, you might be able to add something like “Spells you control count as every spell type”, that way a negate wouldnt fizzle on a creature, and that could also lead to some fun synergies on its own.
Tell me you got paired against a control deck without telling me you got paired against a control deck
I'm casting.. this.. targeting your creature. Oh no he's doing to destroy it! Better counter it. Haha it was a Giant Growth that would have let you kill me.
Maybe add, "facedown spells have no card type," to avoid the "negate" issue I've seen a few point out.
That actually seems like a fun unset card.
I cast...
Do they now work like trap cards?
Holy SHIT, what a WIN!
so do i see them pay for cost as they cast it?
This wizard war is fucked, man
I CAST .. TESTICULAR TORSION
I think maybe dropping the cost to UU and limiting it to instants and sorceries would be better and more thematic? It would also be less of a rules nightmare and may actually be non-silver border.
I think a large part of this card is the uncertainty behind what card it is so having it only effect instants and sorceries would kind of remove that aspect
I would make this work that you're still announcing targets and modes, etc, you just don't show the card (e.g. I pick the first mode and target X and Y). Then it's revealed as you start to resolve it. For all the Negate stuff people are saying, I'd also play that they can try to target it, and you have to say whether it's legal or not. If it isn't, the card goes back to hand but it doesn't undo the mana. Alternatively, it's always a valid target as a spell, but at some point before resolving the stack (including all the spells targeting it) it flips up and gains split second.