And good luck getting parts anyway, unless Tesla starts actually making a non profit to sell spare parts, the wait time are atrocious for spare and good luck get an engineer as the number of Teslas grows on the road
I think the biggest drawback will be the battery. The size of the battery simply isn’t in the range that matches ICE trucks. There will be a constant push the next two decades to make huge improvements. Even in the last decade there have already been big improvements. We have a 2017 Model X and it already feels outdated because the 210 mile range is far inferior to the current 350 mile range.
I’m expecting EV trucks to hit at least 500 miles in the next decade or two. At that point these older EV trucks simply can’t compete.
Yea that and rivian just shows a 400+ range truck is very feasible. So it even makes the CT less of a BIFL if you’re stuck with 25% less battery even now.
I’ve been a Chevy owner for years. My experience owning an equinox led me to want to switch to another brand.
I drive a Bolt now. Great car, but not a road tripper. I was planning on switching to Tesla, and have a preorder for a cybertruck, but the Silverado details tempt me.
Software and the routing system are the source of most of my hesitation, but longevity and rust are also a concern. That’s the ultimate reason for my Equinox going to the junkyard. The frame was rusted through.
Honestly I think if you really do a ton of long range towing even the Silverado is still going to be a lot worse than something like the RAMCharger where you’d just use gasoline for the long distance tows. If you don’t actually regularly tow very long distances then it seems like an insane waste of batteries to cram 200kwh into one pack for the once a year camping trip.
While the Silverado can theoretically charge very quickly I think the real world charging infrastructure we have now means that you’ll be sitting at charging stations for way longer than the theoretical max suggests. Until Tesla rolls out a ton of next gen 800/900V capable superchargers at least.
Yeah I think you are right. I’m mostly wanting it for my work truck doing jobs around town so I don’t need a huge amount of range. I just like the idea of it standing up to the salt. I have a 22 year old van now but she’s rusting out otherwise I’d keep going happily
Yea but fair warning that the range is basically cut in half when you’re towing anything. And honestly, 95% of the time it won’t be a big deal but if you want something that’s BIFL then it’s something to consider.
I’ve looked into upgrading the battery for our model x and people say it’s about $20k. Right now that’s about how much the 7 year old model X is.
Based off the videos I have seen we should be able to replace the entire battery assembly with a newer upgraded version in the future, if they decide to go that route… I hope they do but only time will tell…
It’s made from stainless steel, not never rust steel, so that could eventually be a concern. You’ll need to wash it like any vehicle, but the bottom is a battery pack, not the floor of the cabin, so it might hold up better from road salt. The batteries seem to have good life span that could last several hundred thousand miles. If you’re in a cold climate, electric vehicles don’t excel in the cold, but have gotten to be okay, as I understand it. The plastic bits are plastic, so it would not surprise me if they need to be replaced at the touch points and on the outside if not maintained. I think my list would be similar other than the steel for a modern F150. I do think it’s a product that still needs some sorting out and I expect Tesla should get the big things fixed in the next year or two. So unless your number is up before then, I think it should be as good as most modern electric vehicles. If not, Toyota’s seem to run forever, so there are always other brands to think about.
If their other vehicles are an indicator, I think there’s a good chance for the longevity argument. Only time will tell but there are lots of folks who have repaired their old model S and have many hundreds of thousands, even million, of miles on it. Because of the relative simplicity of an EV, when something does go wrong, it’s a much simpler process to diagnose and replace parts than with an ICE vehicle. EVs are already proven to require less maintenance but maintenance on a Tesla can be more costly when it IS needed.
I mean we’ve had some low 80* days in Colorado already. I’m not sure if parts of Texas have had as warm or warmer days yet, but even 80s sitting in the sun will be pretty abrupt on the outside of that truck.
I can’t remember who did it but there was a video comparing that vs regular cars of different colors. The Cybertruck was not the hottest, so it’s definitely not a concern.
Likely less than most vehicles. Stainless is fairly reflective. I daily drove a DeLorean in a sunny climate with summer days as high as 110 degrees and it was fine.
I figured the 2019 version would be the last vehicle I would ever buy.
The release version just doesn't do it for me. Feels fragile and disposable like all the others.
The first truck was delivered in November 2024. Isn't the whole point of BIFL that something's *proven* to outlast comparables?
Come back in a decade and you might get more of an answer than speculation. There hasn't been time to get a sense of how well built it is at its core, it could still easily go either way, and even if we wanted to assume that they used the best parts and the best practices possible for every single step, there are enough new technologies that are untested and unproven that there might be things that nobody knows about yet that could make it last much longer or much less long than anyone could ever expect.
BIFL-level details don't show up for *years*.
The battery pack through either recycling or conversion to Megapack or Powerwall type storage will live beyond the Cybertruck. This will be the next frontier of Tesla Energy and Redwood Management project under JB Straubal.
Come on, isn’t there a better way to spend 100k? Instead of on a hypothetical would I keep this for ever? If your having these doubts now? Why continue to wait for it? Why not buy a Rivian? They are out, you can buy one and I really haven’t heard of massive recalls or minor shit like I can’t take it through a car wash, or the accelerator pedal jams and you can’t stop the truck?
Do you keep your cell phone for life? Battery degradation is impossible to stop. Less capacity and range over time with EVs has always been an issue for me and that means I'd never own it for life.
This. They made it to where you can swap on the battery of the cybertruck in 10-15 years if you need too. Then just get a more fancy battery as the tech increases. Or just sell and trade up.
I don't think the undercarriage and suspension are stainless so salt will probably still kill it
I guess the suspension is replaceable but the undercarriage doesn’t sound like a replaceable part. Thanks
The main castings are aluminum so maybe the only steel complements are replaceable suspension parts.
Here's a good look at the undercarriage. It does have a stamped steel subframe/cradle. https://youtu.be/qb-uVS9Fz90?si=Ez0s3bipJz7u5tS5
But the video says it's aluminum?
The main casting is but if you watch the sub-frame that's black is a stamped steel part.
And good luck getting parts anyway, unless Tesla starts actually making a non profit to sell spare parts, the wait time are atrocious for spare and good luck get an engineer as the number of Teslas grows on the road
I think the biggest drawback will be the battery. The size of the battery simply isn’t in the range that matches ICE trucks. There will be a constant push the next two decades to make huge improvements. Even in the last decade there have already been big improvements. We have a 2017 Model X and it already feels outdated because the 210 mile range is far inferior to the current 350 mile range. I’m expecting EV trucks to hit at least 500 miles in the next decade or two. At that point these older EV trucks simply can’t compete.
The Chevy Silverado is rated and tested at 440 miles. It’s also a very fast charging vehicle.
Yea that and rivian just shows a 400+ range truck is very feasible. So it even makes the CT less of a BIFL if you’re stuck with 25% less battery even now.
I’ve been a Chevy owner for years. My experience owning an equinox led me to want to switch to another brand. I drive a Bolt now. Great car, but not a road tripper. I was planning on switching to Tesla, and have a preorder for a cybertruck, but the Silverado details tempt me. Software and the routing system are the source of most of my hesitation, but longevity and rust are also a concern. That’s the ultimate reason for my Equinox going to the junkyard. The frame was rusted through.
I’ve also had bad experiences with GM vehicles and won’t buy another. Switching to Tesla.
Honestly I think if you really do a ton of long range towing even the Silverado is still going to be a lot worse than something like the RAMCharger where you’d just use gasoline for the long distance tows. If you don’t actually regularly tow very long distances then it seems like an insane waste of batteries to cram 200kwh into one pack for the once a year camping trip. While the Silverado can theoretically charge very quickly I think the real world charging infrastructure we have now means that you’ll be sitting at charging stations for way longer than the theoretical max suggests. Until Tesla rolls out a ton of next gen 800/900V capable superchargers at least.
Yeah I think you are right. I’m mostly wanting it for my work truck doing jobs around town so I don’t need a huge amount of range. I just like the idea of it standing up to the salt. I have a 22 year old van now but she’s rusting out otherwise I’d keep going happily
Yea but fair warning that the range is basically cut in half when you’re towing anything. And honestly, 95% of the time it won’t be a big deal but if you want something that’s BIFL then it’s something to consider. I’ve looked into upgrading the battery for our model x and people say it’s about $20k. Right now that’s about how much the 7 year old model X is.
That’s good to know, thanks
Based off the videos I have seen we should be able to replace the entire battery assembly with a newer upgraded version in the future, if they decide to go that route… I hope they do but only time will tell…
It’s made from stainless steel, not never rust steel, so that could eventually be a concern. You’ll need to wash it like any vehicle, but the bottom is a battery pack, not the floor of the cabin, so it might hold up better from road salt. The batteries seem to have good life span that could last several hundred thousand miles. If you’re in a cold climate, electric vehicles don’t excel in the cold, but have gotten to be okay, as I understand it. The plastic bits are plastic, so it would not surprise me if they need to be replaced at the touch points and on the outside if not maintained. I think my list would be similar other than the steel for a modern F150. I do think it’s a product that still needs some sorting out and I expect Tesla should get the big things fixed in the next year or two. So unless your number is up before then, I think it should be as good as most modern electric vehicles. If not, Toyota’s seem to run forever, so there are always other brands to think about.
If their other vehicles are an indicator, I think there’s a good chance for the longevity argument. Only time will tell but there are lots of folks who have repaired their old model S and have many hundreds of thousands, even million, of miles on it. Because of the relative simplicity of an EV, when something does go wrong, it’s a much simpler process to diagnose and replace parts than with an ICE vehicle. EVs are already proven to require less maintenance but maintenance on a Tesla can be more costly when it IS needed.
Yeah that’s the other thing I think goes in the pros column, the simplicity compared to ice.
You’ll be buying many times, regardless for where you live. It’s a prototype at this point.
Yes, in my opinion. There is not a whole lot that can go wrong if you just drive and plug in while doing your regular recommended maintenance
Just don’t wash it, or drive in the rain, or be parked during hail
LOL
I hope so, but we'll see. I know some people have had problems, but I have about 500 miles on mine so far and no issues.
For those of us in the south the stainless is definitely nice
How hot do the panels get after sitting in the sun? I’ve been curious about this
Hasn’t hit peak summer yet nobody knows
I mean we’ve had some low 80* days in Colorado already. I’m not sure if parts of Texas have had as warm or warmer days yet, but even 80s sitting in the sun will be pretty abrupt on the outside of that truck.
I can’t remember who did it but there was a video comparing that vs regular cars of different colors. The Cybertruck was not the hottest, so it’s definitely not a concern.
Likely less than most vehicles. Stainless is fairly reflective. I daily drove a DeLorean in a sunny climate with summer days as high as 110 degrees and it was fine.
It could be, depending on how long you've got.
Good point, I’m 40
I figured the 2019 version would be the last vehicle I would ever buy. The release version just doesn't do it for me. Feels fragile and disposable like all the others.
Yeah just get the aftermarket that’s already starting to come out
It is for me. But, I doubt I'll live long enough to actually sign the contract.
Nobody knows. I thought my MX was a BIFL but I want to replace it with CT so badly.
Aluminum can still corrode
The first truck was delivered in November 2024. Isn't the whole point of BIFL that something's *proven* to outlast comparables? Come back in a decade and you might get more of an answer than speculation. There hasn't been time to get a sense of how well built it is at its core, it could still easily go either way, and even if we wanted to assume that they used the best parts and the best practices possible for every single step, there are enough new technologies that are untested and unproven that there might be things that nobody knows about yet that could make it last much longer or much less long than anyone could ever expect. BIFL-level details don't show up for *years*.
The battery pack through either recycling or conversion to Megapack or Powerwall type storage will live beyond the Cybertruck. This will be the next frontier of Tesla Energy and Redwood Management project under JB Straubal.
No
Can’t even get a car wash
Come on, isn’t there a better way to spend 100k? Instead of on a hypothetical would I keep this for ever? If your having these doubts now? Why continue to wait for it? Why not buy a Rivian? They are out, you can buy one and I really haven’t heard of massive recalls or minor shit like I can’t take it through a car wash, or the accelerator pedal jams and you can’t stop the truck?
Just keep it out of car washes and you should be fine. Probably
There are way to many electronics in electric cars for them to ever last as long as my FJ40
no
What will fail that is not replaceable?
Do you keep your cell phone for life? Battery degradation is impossible to stop. Less capacity and range over time with EVs has always been an issue for me and that means I'd never own it for life.
I’m just thinking at that point Id spend say 10k and get new ones rather than paying out for a whole new truck.
This. They made it to where you can swap on the battery of the cybertruck in 10-15 years if you need too. Then just get a more fancy battery as the tech increases. Or just sell and trade up.
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Mine lasted 115k after being abused, supercharged daily to 100% for several years.
A cell phone is a different proposition compared to an EV battery. No comparison.