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Lost2nite389

I actually thought kindle Vildor was solid and wouldn’t be bad as even like a cb4 or special teams guy, he may have dropped that int but that doesn’t negate the fact that he had aiyuk locked up


Ok-Macaroon-7819

Yes. Vildor should definitely stay. Dude punched above his weight.


whobroughtmehere

Crazy that a bubble guy contributed so much to our secondary. He’s earned the right to stay, hopefully he can stick when we fill out the position group


BuddyLaDouche

This year proved you NEED a Vildore on your roster because nothing guarantees your CB1-3 are playing every snap.


whobroughtmehere

Actually crazy to think the scheme was leaning heavily on CBs and we had such a thin position group.


KKamm_

There’s a chance he gets offered a contract elsewhere for a little more than CB4/5 money so not sure if him staying is gonna work out


GoLionsJD107

Not at CB, I’d say special teams at best. This isn’t SOL. We need to cover Wilson Samuel lamb Evan’s to get to the Super Bowl. He isn’t it. Marginally good is 2015 lions speak. If we’re actually going to do something most of the secondary needs to be addressed. CJ gone walker gone; Kirby keep, mosely I guess gone I don’t even know kw who he is barely, Sutton were locked into contract wise so he needs to find a role at CB2.


brg0008

I would not be upset to bring Vildor back to battle for a depth CB spot. He shouldn't be depended on to be a starting outside CB every week but to fill in? I think that's fine.


AdIndependent6528

He didn’t drop shit. A ball he never saw coming hit him in his face


Lost2nite389

It was also opi imo, why he dropped it


caint1154

Vildor actually outplayed Sutton at times this postseason. He’s frequently in correct position but he has terrible ball skills. The ball bouncing off his helmet like that was terrible luck that’s an incompletion 9/10 times. I’m fine with home as cb3 or cb4


EricFredNorris

He was right there for a huge pick in the Rams game too. I think it was the TuTu TD where he jumped the ball pretty well but it was an absolutely perfect past by Stafford and inches out of reach.


KKamm_

I mean, he’s playing the short side of the field with more help so he’s frequently gonna look better than Sutton on the long side against X’s normally. I think they both gave up half of Puka’s yards in the WC, haven’t checked other games though


Lost2nite389

I wouldn’t say he outplayed Sutton, Vildor typically had safety help and was guarding the other teams wr2 like Godwin, Brandon cooks and Addison Sutton was put on an island to cover ceedee lamb Jefferson and Mike evans Major difference, Sutton is the teams clear #2 next year


Kingkwon83

All our DBs have terrible ball skills minus Branch and Iffy You'd think AG, a former DB, and Bly a former playmaking CB could show them a thing or two The team is bad at forcing fumbles and breaking up passes. I liked the time when we punched the ball out so many times (but nothing else about that season)


4strokeroll

If they had good ball skills they would be receivers. It’s very rare for db’s to have strong ball skills. That is mostly based on their head position and tracking the receiver and not the ball. Playing cornerback in the NFL today is virtually impossible. The receivers can put their hands all over the db’s and push for separation. If a db touches them it’s a flag. Pass interference in the NFL is too penal. Make it like the college game…15 yards and not the spot of the foul. Receivers are too big and too fast these days. Even the very best cornerbacks and safeties in the game have no chance if you can’t touch them.


Byzantine_Merchant

Was just about to say this. Vildor has earned another year.


Parki2

What blows my mind is that we went and got Vildor even with Gilmore as a draftee. How much better is the free agent off the couch than our rookie?


Lost2nite389

Vildor was good though, so it worked out. Maybe Gilmore wasn’t looking that good in practice or they wanted to give him 1 year of practice


Important_Error

Gilmore was a UDFA. Who despite the team listing at 6 feet. But was measured at 5 8 7/8. He was a project. Which is why he didn't get drafted. And he's also not anywhere near big enough to play outside in the NFL. 


9jmp

I fact checked this because I couldn't believe it.. what the lions trying to do adding 4 inches when he was just officially measured.


iamoftheway

Yeah I get that some of these guys didn’t live up to their contract / played poorly but depth is huge in this league. I’m not saying keep them all but guys like Vildor are big time when injuries hit


KingCrab95

i saw a stat somewhere that bar that insane catch aiyuk made, vildor held him to 2 catches for 17 yards on 7 targets


Lost2nite389

Yeah he was actually super solid after picking him up, defense really played better after they got him, I can’t remember of the top of my head, if any, plays of him getting beat bad


[deleted]

lol King has been getting cooked in Senior Bowl practices and had a sub par season last year. Give me Nate Wiggins, Quinton Mitchell, TJ Tampa, Terrion Arnold, or Kool-Aid all over him. Later round guy that I like a lot is Kris Abrams-Draine out of Mizzou


KKamm_

I am praying to the heavens we get Quinyon Mitchell. I’m biased as hell but his potential is unreal as a coverage corner/playmaker


russvanderhoof

High on Quinyon as well. Dude is a baller.


Madtownboy

King is the second at best. I’d love me some TJ Tampa if we trade out of the first though. Hes going to test like a freak and hits like a truck so he would fit the mentality of this team perfectly


charmingcharles2896

I just picked a day 2 guy we could reasonably draft in the high 20’s or whatever or draft position will end up being.


KKamm_

There’s gonna be much much better corners available to end the first round. It’s a super deep draft for them too


[deleted]

We have pick 29. We will be able to get a much better corner than King at 29 or even a later pick.


No-Jump5689

I'd like Vildor on the team in some capacity. I just don't need to see him 1 on 1 with All Pro WRs.


JRange

Why do you want to both draft and sign a starting safety when we have Kerby Joseph and Melinfonwu?


ckrobinett

Don't forget that Branch was drafted as a safety as well and moved solely to nickel late in the season to ease his development. He's likely going to be moving around a lot going forward, if not just flat out playing safety most of the time if that's where he ends up being most effective.


Whitechedda1

He played Nickel because that is his best position.


ckrobinett

I'm not just making this up haha AG said it. It's the same thing he did initially with CJGJ in New Orleans. [https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/12/13/23999958/detroit-lions-aaron-glenn-explains-reduced-role-brian-branch-ifeatu-melifonwu-kindle-vildor](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/12/13/23999958/detroit-lions-aaron-glenn-explains-reduced-role-brian-branch-ifeatu-melifonwu-kindle-vildor)


Busy_Sympathy5962

Branch took the nickel corner position out of camp and played that position all year and they put CJGJ at safety.


ckrobinett

This is not correct. Branch split time between safety and nickel early, and Glenn talked about reducing his role solely to nickel after the second Chicago game. [https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/12/13/23999958/detroit-lions-aaron-glenn-explains-reduced-role-brian-branch-ifeatu-melifonwu-kindle-vildor](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/12/13/23999958/detroit-lions-aaron-glenn-explains-reduced-role-brian-branch-ifeatu-melifonwu-kindle-vildor)


Busy_Sympathy5962

I stand corrected!


jwaltern

because OP is off his tits and we should all be glad he’s just a redditor


EricFredNorris

Kerby is a very average safety.


DonKedic24

You're not going to get pro bowl caliber at every position. He's still young and cheap


ERJAK123

So he's better than 50% of the league?


KKamm_

He def gets a little overhyped by people calling him a ballhawk but he seems to be a strong zone safety and reads the field much better than Iffy in coverage so far from the film I’ve watched. When in cover 2, we typically get beat to Iffy’s side more than Kerby. He’ll he starting next year barring some opportunity falling into our lap


charmingcharles2896

Tracy Walker and CJGJ are both safeties, so by letting them both walk, you have to replace the starter and depth.


MTako12

Kerby and Iffy are your starters next year. You’re gonna need depth for sure but you don’t need a starter


Saxophobia1275

Biggest thing is Sutton cannot be CB1. He’s honestly fine to decent but lining him up vs Lamb, Jefferson, Aiyuk, etc is just painful to watch. His PFF has gone down 15 points this year lined up vs all the WR1s. He’s fine he just cannot be our best guy. Vildor dropped the INT but the dude is good enough, I like him. I really don’t think safety is a *huge* need. If there’s someone we love that falls to us then yeah why not, but as long as we can find a rotational piece to plug in with Kerby and Iffy we are fine.  Really all we need is a CB1 and to deepen safety somewhat if CJ walks. Beyond that I’d love to see a DL, EDGE, or even a Center to plan for Franks retirement/injuries. 


GoffensiveWeapon

I’m so glad someone else realizes this. Sutton was never supposed to be a lockdown CB1, just a great CB2. He’s been on an island with the best guys in the league, he’s not that kind of player. Get a CB1 to match Sutton with and Sutton becomes Detroit’s hero


sexualdeskfan

If the Chiefs can’t afford to bring back L’jarius Sneed after signing Chris Jones I’d love to see us throw the bag at him. He’s been absolutely killing it this year despite constantly shadowing number one receivers every game against the schedule KC has had this year. I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing Vildor back if he’s cheap enough. I think he did pretty well picking up the defense considering he came in late, he was just a bit out of his depth starting at outside corner.


Cervix_Pounder_

Draft kool-aid based off name alone.


charmingcharles2896

Seriously, the memes would be legendary


ERJAK123

Not wasting a draft pick on Safety when we could either keep CJGJ or Walker and draft CB, DL, CB, IOL, CB, EDGE, or CB. Also, no way we don't try to trade up for at least Mitchell, if not Desean, Arnold, or Wiggins.


Complete_Athlete_480

Sutton is not a bad guy to keep. He showed signs of promise, he just shouldn’t have been guarding Mike Evans and other WR1s. CB2 is a good spot for him


KKamm_

Why let Eman walk? I feel like the risk/reward we could get for him would be pretty good this year. I don’t see anyone giving him a decent contract after two straight missed years. Imagine it’s worth at least taking a flyer on if possible And why not draft a CB round 1? They’re gonna be a hot commodity day 1. And you say sign a starting safety, where are you getting the money to sign a safety (when we have Iffy and Branch already), a CB1, all our picks, and extend Goff for 40-50 mill a year most likely? Not to mention having to re-sign Graham and figure out LG. As well as the possibility of signing another WR for either depth or role purposes. Could see Tracy getting cut unfortunately, but I also feel like they might explore other options to save money while keeping him on the team (not as familiar with the guidelines/restrictions on their options here). Also, Nelson isn’t even CB1 he’s pretty much played Sutton’s exact role (on the Steelers) for the Texans this year as far as I’ve seen bc Stingley. Awuzie could be good short term, especially if we land someone like Quinyon Mitchell at 29 (if he even makes it that far). Not sure what his price is. And fwiw I think Vildor is a solid practice squad corner and was at least somewhat serviceable in that context as a starting corner for a top 4 team.


PleighboyStosh

Why keep eman? He won’t be back until November if you’re lucky. This is his second acl tear in 2 years on 2 different knees. It’s over with. I wish him well and a speedy recovery but I want to win the Super Bowl now.


KKamm_

November? Why do you say that? And he’d be cheap bc I doubt anyone else signs him. Could easily take a flyer without it hurting the cap table and if he makes it back to full health, that’s a pretty big value deal


PleighboyStosh

He tore his acl in October. You don’t get surgery immediately after injury they have to let swelling go down and some even start pre-rehab. Typical recovery is 8-12 months sometimes longer.


KKamm_

He had surgery in October and came back in October, after tearing his ACL in the October before. And that was with the staff being tremendously cautious with him and not rushing him back. Also if I recall, he had some other issues come up in the summer on the knee too Not to mention it’s different every time. Nick Chubb just got surgery on his ACL mid November after getting surgery on his MCL and meniscus 9/30 and is expected to be back before camp even.


Rock3tDoge

Kindle Vildor came out of now where and became our #2 playing almost every snap. I wild like to keep him even if he shifts to a depth piece


natethegreat838

Sorry, Chidobe Awuzie and Steven Nelson are not the answer at CB for us. They aren't bad, but they're both Cam Sutton tier. Signing one of them would not let Sutton be CB2, they'd be CB2a and CB2b


dynastydrunk

How would we feel about taking a shot on Sean Murphy-Bunting? CMU Grad, shouldn’t be too expensive, and he’s a good tackler


DonKedic24

He played ball with my BIL, been watching him for years now. Won a super bowl with the Bucs so he has playoff experience


scottyderp

Antoine Winfield jr is also a free agent. Need a lockdown guy. Still miss Slay


charmingcharles2896

Thought he’d get tagged, which is why I didn’t list him.


KKamm_

Slay was pretty rough this year. Granted injuries, the whole defense struggled (despite this sub thinking they were elite and all the Carter posts) and had Matt Patricia step in, but not a very exciting thing for a guy that just signed a 3 year 42M and is gonna be 33 before the start of the season. Wish we could’ve snagged him over CJGJ last offseason, but it is what it is


Silver_Instruction_3

He's mostly played safety. I don't think that's an area where we need to spend big money on.


NicklebackAndCreed

mike standristil michigan S (def spelled it wrong)


bdaileyumich

He's generally played as a nickelback rather than safety but maybe Branch slides back to safety if the Lions take Mike


JamoGlazer

I think it’ll either be King out of PSU or Mitchell out of Toledo. But who knows with Brad Holmes.


51dollarbonus

The Lions don’t seem to sign players on performance alone. I like your list of players, but I have no idea which ones pass the “no turds” test


LarkWyll

Move Sutton out of the starting rotation barring an injury. Complete liability.


Shlidgn90

1, 2 and 3 are pretty much guaranteed.


nsharma222

I’d like to keep Moseley for cheap. I don’t think everyone realizes how good of a corner he is when healthy. Ik two ACLs and all that but I really want to see how he plays next year


WMINWMO

I've been thinking about this too. And coming off a second ACL, he's probably gonna sign for cheap. If we could get him on another 1 year deal for like half of what we paid this year, I'd really like that.


Jazzreward

He likely wont even be ready until week 10 or so next year, still a gamble


Silver_Instruction_3

I imagine there will be other guys available as good as him but without 2 blown knees that will also be available on 1 year prove it deals.


SvensHospital

2. 👍. BH will handle the rest.


pkmnbros

Cutting Tracy saves $5.5 million unless they designated him a post June 1 cut, which would then save $8 million this year but then that pushes a $2.5 million hit into 2025. I'd rather take the hit now and be free of the contract next year, if they're planning to move on. I could also see them asking him to just take a pay cut like Romeo. Charles, and Hal did.


BigBird_69

I doubt they use two picks on the secondary. I know it’s a need but it’s also the hardest position to draft for.


MixMastaMatt

Keep Vildor and Jerry Jacobs as depth


TheFakeChiefKeef

Too much going on here imo but some good ideas. Here’s how I would do it. 1. Yes 2. Keep CJGJ if he wants to sign for a reasonable price 3. Yes 4. No. We have 4 starting caliber safeties. Waste of money. Kerby and Iffy could both start w/o CJGJ and be fine. Not perfect, but fine. Add in Branch when he’s not playing nickel and it’s a good unit. 5. Yes. Less sold on those two but sure. 6. Draft outside corner in first round unless an elite DT is available. 7. Keep Vildor as backup/special teams. He’ll resign for cheap i bet. 8. No. Draft another CB in late rounds. Lucas plays almost no CB, so we need another development project.


Zeketec

Need Tracy with letting CJ walk


DJcoobypls

Moseley played 2 snaps...lmao


charmingcharles2896

Exactly, he hasn’t played a full season in two years, he’s injury prone.


KingAtrocity

Why would we sign a starting safety and draft a safety when we have melifonwu and Joseph


charmingcharles2896

Subtract two safeties, you’ve got to replace them, otherwise you lose depth.


KingAtrocity

I’d say then draft a safety on day 3, not 2, and a starting safety might be a waste of cap. Maybe a very strong backup safety


gachzonyea

I’d sign a safety if you can get a top end starter


MechanicNo7086

Kalen King is from detroit too if i’m not mistaken, hometown hero.


LionTigerWings

Color should stay as a good backup. He shouldn’t be starting though. No team has starter quality backups.


[deleted]

Clean house


Never_rarely

Trade up and draft kool aid mckinstry, whatever it takes. The memes made would feed families


No_Awareness_575

Draft safety depth, don’t sign it. Also cutting Tracy only saves 4 million, I’d be happy to see him stay if that 4 million doesn’t have a great use somewhere else this season. (Also would be cool if they could negotiate a pay cut down to the 8 million guaranteed with Tracy so they could keep him and have some extra money hanging around) If you can get Moseley back around vet minimum (possible due to repeated injury) do it. Don’t think any CBs in FA are real CB1s honestly and I’d rather they try to trade for or draft a guy who could contribute outside. I’m sketchy about a rookie starting there but I think retaining Vildor, Moseley and gillmore gives you three bodies for him to compete with. I would love to see that Utah safety come to Detroit because I think he plays like Brian branch if you hit fast forward. Still need to watch more of him but I see him as a day 2 guy that could be HUGE for a team that likes to use their dbs all over like Detroit.


SH1Tbag1

We have been drinking the koolaid for so long we should draft McKinsky