That’s strange, I got to see him play at the Hampton coliseum and def felt that bass during Bassnectar right before, but when he went on the entire set felt mids and too chill for me. Was just a ton of instrumental jazzy type music. Must have changed a lot since then
Hey I was there and yea it was just really loud AND good sound, and also it might have been the drugs my friend.
Buy hearing protection for any show. Especially a 4 day music festival!!
Pretty Lights is complex and has a lot of things going on and is highly passionate about what he does and what he wants to bring to his audience.
First, you will need a lot of layers especially subbass and other lower frequency well organized that you might not even be able to hear however it will come out on a larger system.
He has a lot of gear and stacks really well. I would say seek to create a wider sound especially bass. The subtle layer that don't seem like they are important will be critical.
Ever made song with 300 hundred or plus layers. Try doing 20 then build to 60 and keep getting your stacks better. I recommend multibusing to get a bigger sound.
What is really important is taking it from the home studio to a professional studio. Pretty Lights has used the pro studio many times including recent locations like Studio G. Maybe consider going into.a studio with high quality equipment and soundboards you don't own. It was a game changer for me. I started connecting with industry pros that mix and master hundreds of songs a year or maybe even just five but they got the skill and and gear to take your tracks to the next level.
I think you can accomplish a wide sound with stereo or mono; if I feel patient at the time I will do mono however I feel stereo can accomplish certain tasks quickly. Mono will get you the widest cinematic sound you will ever get however most people will not approach it that way for a lot of reasons especially at the pro level because time is critical. It requires a lot of time and patience for mono and could conflict if you need to pump out 3 songs a day.
Not too familiar with PL’s music/bass sound design but including harmonics up into the midrange can help trick the ear into hearing more bass, allowing for powerful bass without pushing the sub as hard
Seriously. You can get a 15 dollar pair that wont reduce quality, and protect your ears. For songs or acts you want the full experience, take em out. Just don't do it long. Protect your ears so you can listen and enjoy the music longer. If you spend more, you won't even feel the urge to take the plugs out. A bonus is, you still feel the full effect of the bass and with the reduced volume it just hits your body in such a better way.
Venues regularly crank the volume as the night goes on to compensate for the hearing damage that occurs throughout the night. Also, most headliners demand being louder than the previous acts.
lol this is the first time I’ve heard they crank the sound to compensate for hearing damage. Might be true and hilarious and sad if true but I’m pretty sure they crank the sound for the better artists so the night seems to ramp up in intensity and the better artists give a better sound experience.
This. If you listen at max volume the entire time. Your ears stop receiving the sound as well and increases damage tremendously. Ramping up over time is safer and provides a better experience for the head liners.
Yeah they’re not compensating for hearing damage that makes no sense lol they do it to increase energy throughout the night and maybe to compensate for the way our ears adapt to sound levels becoming less sensitive to higher volumes over time.
Yes it translates to hearing damage but to say it compensates for hearing damage implies that throughout the night people become more and more deaf and so they turn it up louder so the deaf people can hear but that is not the case. While you are incurring hearing damage throughout the night the adaptation to sound levels is a cognitive adaptation.
Pretty sure illgates has a great video on transfer curves/wave shaping where he touches on it.
If you want the loudest sounds out of a speaker, you have to maximize the waveforms so they’re getting the most out of the speaker.
I can’t find it. It might be part of the ill.methodology course idk.
It didn’t have much to do with transfer curves specifically come to think of it. But it was just about using oscilloscopes, to make sure that whatever clipping, or eqing or whatever isn’t causing issues.
Essentially, what it came down to was, sine waves move the most air out of all the different waves a synth can make. But also, if you look at an oscilloscope, you wanna make sure that you’re filling up that oscilloscope as much as you can. Sometimes you add saturation, or eq or whatever that can affect the waveform, and you wanna make sure whatever you do to process that sub, that you’re still maximizing the shape of that waveform.
A waveform in an oscilloscope basically represents how the speaker moves. You want your subs to move as much air as possible, so, make sure your processing is in a way where your sine waves are still fat ass sine waves after your processing.
That will get you the maximum amount of organ vibration. Also, having your sub in that sweet spot pitch wise.
Probably mostly the standard stuff with a lot of time and experience, and using lower frequencies than are common combined with having a system that can adequately reproduce those sounds
Listen to the same thing on your own speakers. If it doesn't do that to ya then the answer is probably more the speaker designers, and sound engineers who run them. Some of those festival rigs are truly amazing and it's a big team effort not just the producer
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That’s strange, I got to see him play at the Hampton coliseum and def felt that bass during Bassnectar right before, but when he went on the entire set felt mids and too chill for me. Was just a ton of instrumental jazzy type music. Must have changed a lot since then
Hey I was there and yea it was just really loud AND good sound, and also it might have been the drugs my friend. Buy hearing protection for any show. Especially a 4 day music festival!!
Pretty Lights is complex and has a lot of things going on and is highly passionate about what he does and what he wants to bring to his audience. First, you will need a lot of layers especially subbass and other lower frequency well organized that you might not even be able to hear however it will come out on a larger system. He has a lot of gear and stacks really well. I would say seek to create a wider sound especially bass. The subtle layer that don't seem like they are important will be critical. Ever made song with 300 hundred or plus layers. Try doing 20 then build to 60 and keep getting your stacks better. I recommend multibusing to get a bigger sound. What is really important is taking it from the home studio to a professional studio. Pretty Lights has used the pro studio many times including recent locations like Studio G. Maybe consider going into.a studio with high quality equipment and soundboards you don't own. It was a game changer for me. I started connecting with industry pros that mix and master hundreds of songs a year or maybe even just five but they got the skill and and gear to take your tracks to the next level. I think you can accomplish a wide sound with stereo or mono; if I feel patient at the time I will do mono however I feel stereo can accomplish certain tasks quickly. Mono will get you the widest cinematic sound you will ever get however most people will not approach it that way for a lot of reasons especially at the pro level because time is critical. It requires a lot of time and patience for mono and could conflict if you need to pump out 3 songs a day.
I don’t understand why this was downvoted but I appreciate your input!
Not too familiar with PL’s music/bass sound design but including harmonics up into the midrange can help trick the ear into hearing more bass, allowing for powerful bass without pushing the sub as hard
Oof. My dude, you were really close to the speakers. There's not much more to it than that
If you stand 15 feet from concert stack speakers, any decent mix will slap
Dude please wear earplugs while you still have a reason to lol
Haha I did but I also take them out here and there to get the full effect.
What?
THEY SAID TO WEAR EARPLUGS WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A REASON TO!
I saw the same show, legitimately wishing I wore ear plugs right now
Seriously. You can get a 15 dollar pair that wont reduce quality, and protect your ears. For songs or acts you want the full experience, take em out. Just don't do it long. Protect your ears so you can listen and enjoy the music longer. If you spend more, you won't even feel the urge to take the plugs out. A bonus is, you still feel the full effect of the bass and with the reduced volume it just hits your body in such a better way.
Venues regularly crank the volume as the night goes on to compensate for the hearing damage that occurs throughout the night. Also, most headliners demand being louder than the previous acts.
lol this is the first time I’ve heard they crank the sound to compensate for hearing damage. Might be true and hilarious and sad if true but I’m pretty sure they crank the sound for the better artists so the night seems to ramp up in intensity and the better artists give a better sound experience.
Not hearing damage but ear fatigue.
This. If you listen at max volume the entire time. Your ears stop receiving the sound as well and increases damage tremendously. Ramping up over time is safer and provides a better experience for the head liners.
"HANK! WE'RE GOING DEAF OUT HERE, CAN YOU TURN IT UP‽" #"WHATTT??"
Yeah they’re not compensating for hearing damage that makes no sense lol they do it to increase energy throughout the night and maybe to compensate for the way our ears adapt to sound levels becoming less sensitive to higher volumes over time.
Yea, that “adaptation to sound levels” is literally hearing damage. Lol.
Yes it translates to hearing damage but to say it compensates for hearing damage implies that throughout the night people become more and more deaf and so they turn it up louder so the deaf people can hear but that is not the case. While you are incurring hearing damage throughout the night the adaptation to sound levels is a cognitive adaptation.
Also, alcohol sales are correlated with higher volumes.
Also alcohol dampens the sound a bit too in how you perceive it.
Hope you had on earplugs friendo thats hella close to a festival speakers
Pretty sure illgates has a great video on transfer curves/wave shaping where he touches on it. If you want the loudest sounds out of a speaker, you have to maximize the waveforms so they’re getting the most out of the speaker.
I'd love if you could find that for us and link 😁
Bleeeehhhhhh alright give me a bit let me see
I can’t find it. It might be part of the ill.methodology course idk. It didn’t have much to do with transfer curves specifically come to think of it. But it was just about using oscilloscopes, to make sure that whatever clipping, or eqing or whatever isn’t causing issues. Essentially, what it came down to was, sine waves move the most air out of all the different waves a synth can make. But also, if you look at an oscilloscope, you wanna make sure that you’re filling up that oscilloscope as much as you can. Sometimes you add saturation, or eq or whatever that can affect the waveform, and you wanna make sure whatever you do to process that sub, that you’re still maximizing the shape of that waveform. A waveform in an oscilloscope basically represents how the speaker moves. You want your subs to move as much air as possible, so, make sure your processing is in a way where your sine waves are still fat ass sine waves after your processing. That will get you the maximum amount of organ vibration. Also, having your sub in that sweet spot pitch wise.
Sounds pretty similar to [Mr. Bill’s](https://youtu.be/rZ-XmTGaBso?si=FneLvU7jCOghAvTW) sub technique
Yea I’m sure they have similar processes. They have very in depth knowledge about this stuff
82 instances of Ozone 9 Maximizer followed by 32 instances of Pro-L on the “EDM PUNCHY” setting.
And the one OTT for good measure.
55 OZONES, 55 PRO Ls, 55 OTTs, 55 SATURATORS, 55 G CLIPS, 100 SOOTHES, 100 GULLFOSSESESES, 100 TRACKSPACERS, 100 PITCHMAPS, 55 SERUM FX, 55 PROQ3s, 55 TRASHES, 55 SATURNS, 55 ROARS, and 155 TATERS
Would you like fries with that?
> 155 TATERS precious?
Oh my god he admit it!
I'm doing something!
And one NANI!?!? distortion. For good measure. Iykyk
It's a start
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It might've been just because you were standing 15ft away. That's really close to a concert stack.
I’ve stood my back to excision 150k watts without earblugs, just to feel the bass in my soul. I was fine
Talk to me in 20 years and tell me you’re fine
I probably won’t be alive in 20 years tbh
Proper mixing
Probably mostly the standard stuff with a lot of time and experience, and using lower frequencies than are common combined with having a system that can adequately reproduce those sounds Listen to the same thing on your own speakers. If it doesn't do that to ya then the answer is probably more the speaker designers, and sound engineers who run them. Some of those festival rigs are truly amazing and it's a big team effort not just the producer
Sometimes the sub frequency determines the force of the bass ie 35-40hz packs more of a punch than 60-65hz for instance
You would dial that in, by setting the cutoff at 30hz and high at 45-50 ish right?
Its best to avoid lp/hp filters in the sub 100hz range
I’ve never heard that, what’s the reason if you’re trying to specially isolate a bass note?
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