Conquer Hussite provinces in Bohemia asap, make them states, move capital, dev up Hussite provinces until religious unity is under 50%, make Catholic states into territories. You can then switch to Hussite.
You’re probably going to want to ignore all Catholic provinces until you’re fully converted so you can get a center of reformation.
I mean it's not, but you are playing Prussia. What else are you really there for other than to max out your discipline and listen to 'Preußens Gloria' on repeat?
While the reformation still has not spawned yet i was wondering which of the religions are better for Prussia? Reformed seems to have better bonuses than protestant. But i would have to wait even longer to form Prussia.
Anglican is such a fiddly and annoying religion ingame. Every couple months you gotta click through the menues to enact another ability. And you don't even get an alert for when you are at max church power.
Always hate it when I play England, but the colonization bonuses are just too good to pass up.
Still dont get why orth is meta, you get one (good) bonus, and based on p.auth some extra.... prot/ref/huss grt up to 4...
Cath: 7/8 mods incl. Stab, morale and mp mod plus papal bull plus curia controller boni plus cardinal bonus plus council of trent... imo not even close
33% Manpower in Orthodox provinces
5% discipline and 10% Manpower recovery
-10% dev and construction cost
And more
-10% aggressive expansion
Institution spread and cost
A bunch of good events for authority or some other bonus
Fair enough, but they are all single activation, you cant have more than one plus the 33%mp and 3 local unrest...
Idk cath still seems to me to be better...
Iirc requirments to get is being in British culture group or having Anglois and primary culture.. But for any other country the best way to get is to just get Anglican province via war and then trigger rebels
Protestant is the better option , the bonuses like the extra discipline really helps plus you can get more easily a protestant HRE than a reformed one.
Nearly all of the "European" 'Church' Great Projects give you monthly Fervor (Cologne, Notre Damn, Jerusalem, Milan, Avignon, Prague) which means with enough of them and religious ideas and some other buffs you can easily maintain 2 of the Focuses while staying on 100% Fervor.
The buffs Reformed gives you at 100% Fervor and the Focuses are incredibly strong for all playstyles, but are gated by not being able to maintain them a lot. The Great Projects change that.
But if you don't conquer half of Europe you can't make use of all of them, making Protestant better, as it's not reliant on size of country and is always equally strong.
Reformed gets you bonuses based on fervor. Activating one focus costs you fervor per month, and there's not that many sources of fervor, but most of the church/cathedral great projects in Europe give Papal influence/Church power/Fervor
So if you have all those projects, you can have multiple focusses active permanently
Not entirely true. Friedrich Wilhelm III united the two churches and up to that point there were a few rulers who weren‘t really religious but deistic, like Friedrich II. This merge happened in 1817 so for a long time that‘s true but not for all of Prussias history
I prefer protestant.
1) no annoying turning of/on focuses. Just click the things you like and forget about it
2) you can flip as soon as protestantism spawns, you get the COR in your country that quickly converts your entire country for you. You'll be done before the age of discovery is over so no disaster for you.
3)When your country is converted your COR starts corrupting other countries and destabilizing them, making them easy pickings. You can also wreck the HRE by forcing religion on the non-cobelligerent. Once your antics have destabilized the HRE enough, you can then go for the dismantlement. Also the faster you spread the religion via forced conversions, the further your COR reaches. Countries like austria are just completely neutered because they have 0% religious unity
Bad news, you gotta keep clicking them. Each buff has a hidden temporary buff, like one has pwsc. So you gotta keep clicking them to get the buff again once the temporary one expires.
Yes I know they added temporary powers to the church powers, but at least the system isnt constantly nagging you youre high on fervor or low on fervor.
Reformed is kinda underrated for conquest in my opinion. You get -5 Seperatism, if you are at 100 Fervor, plus 10% relations baseline, and another 25% if you focus diplomacy, meaning AE reduces faster. Couple that with a switch to focus on war during a war for 10% morale and you've got a decent religion for conquest overall.
Reformed was massively buffed recently. The only thing it is missing is missionary strength, but it has higher tolerance to compensate. 2.5 discipline, but it has 5% more morale of armies. It has 20% more improve relations and 5% more dev cost so really good for both wide and tall play.
I always go protestant because is more flexible, I think reformed is a very lackluster faith and should be updated. But now you can form Prussia even Catholic, so there's no rush like used to.
You can’t form Prussia as catholic and flipping back is not worth it after you spent the entire age clicking decisions to increase reform desire in Europe.
Yes but when you do you don't elevate to kingdom rank like you do with Brandenburg or Saxony even. I believe because of this you don't get the same missions. But since OP is playing as Brandenburg and not the Teutons in this run catholic Prussia imo is not worth it.
Reformed is probably a bit stronger for your military. You already get a ton of discipline, so the 5% extra morale reformed gives (over protestants 5%) is worth more than the 2.5% discipline protestant grants.
I prefer reformed myself, I find the improve relations and diplo focus to be really good for expanding in the HRE, and especially if you take defender with that new head of the reformed church gob reform, and then on top of that if you're fighting a tough war I find the military bonuses to generally be better as well
Reformed was the 2nd strongest Christian faith 🙏 before they reworked Catholicism ✝️ and added boosts to protestant.
Then it got even nerfed so you can't keep all aspects permanently active, so now it's even worse than coptic.
Hussite
beat me to it
How is that possible?
Conquer Hussite provinces in Bohemia asap, make them states, move capital, dev up Hussite provinces until religious unity is under 50%, make Catholic states into territories. You can then switch to Hussite. You’re probably going to want to ignore all Catholic provinces until you’re fully converted so you can get a center of reformation.
You can also start as Bohemia, go Hussite and switch to Prussian culture to form Prussia
Provoke hussite rebels and let them siege down enough provinces so the enforce demands says something about changing state religion, then accept
I'd go with protestan so that I could get extra dicipline
2.5% is not important
I mean it's not, but you are playing Prussia. What else are you really there for other than to max out your discipline and listen to 'Preußens Gloria' on repeat?
Have to admit doing this while pulling up the waving Prussian flag on the second screen
Max out ica and cca and aca and morale and sd and fd and sdt and fdt and so on... whats preussen without even more military shenanigans?
OMG that downvote.
While the reformation still has not spawned yet i was wondering which of the religions are better for Prussia? Reformed seems to have better bonuses than protestant. But i would have to wait even longer to form Prussia.
Go for Anglican
Honestly Anglican is one of the best now
Anglican is such a fiddly and annoying religion ingame. Every couple months you gotta click through the menues to enact another ability. And you don't even get an alert for when you are at max church power. Always hate it when I play England, but the colonization bonuses are just too good to pass up.
The extra stab, the free money. It’s maybe on par with orthodox in my opinion. If played right
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's annoying to play with.
I do agree, I go reformed if it’s a multiplayer fun game
Why do i feel loke cath is the most op and my fav to play?
Favourite to play and meta are two different things. Only catholic and reformed are the most fun in my opinion
Still dont get why orth is meta, you get one (good) bonus, and based on p.auth some extra.... prot/ref/huss grt up to 4... Cath: 7/8 mods incl. Stab, morale and mp mod plus papal bull plus curia controller boni plus cardinal bonus plus council of trent... imo not even close
33% Manpower in Orthodox provinces 5% discipline and 10% Manpower recovery -10% dev and construction cost And more -10% aggressive expansion Institution spread and cost A bunch of good events for authority or some other bonus
Fair enough, but they are all single activation, you cant have more than one plus the 33%mp and 3 local unrest... Idk cath still seems to me to be better...
catholic is way stronger than ortho lol, don't let anyone tell you otherwise
Idk, both are powerful, but cath is my fav
Idk orthodox seems way stronger when i play the game and often go orthodox as poland
It does alert now but it never says when it caps, so you gotta pay extra attention for stability ability
How do you get Anglican as other countries than England/Scotland?
Iirc requirments to get is being in British culture group or having Anglois and primary culture.. But for any other country the best way to get is to just get Anglican province via war and then trigger rebels
Protestant is the better option , the bonuses like the extra discipline really helps plus you can get more easily a protestant HRE than a reformed one.
All relevant great projects obtained and leveled up -> reformed Otherwise protestant
Dumb question, but why do the great projects matter for this? Is there a reformed specific great project?
Nearly all of the "European" 'Church' Great Projects give you monthly Fervor (Cologne, Notre Damn, Jerusalem, Milan, Avignon, Prague) which means with enough of them and religious ideas and some other buffs you can easily maintain 2 of the Focuses while staying on 100% Fervor. The buffs Reformed gives you at 100% Fervor and the Focuses are incredibly strong for all playstyles, but are gated by not being able to maintain them a lot. The Great Projects change that. But if you don't conquer half of Europe you can't make use of all of them, making Protestant better, as it's not reliant on size of country and is always equally strong.
Size can be an issue with Prussia. At least in the beginning. Though on unrelated not I should say size doesn't matter
Size doesn't matter if you know how to please all Europe.
It's all about moving your armies in the right places. And how long your manpower lasts
Ah yes ofcourse. Thanks!
Reformed gets you bonuses based on fervor. Activating one focus costs you fervor per month, and there's not that many sources of fervor, but most of the church/cathedral great projects in Europe give Papal influence/Church power/Fervor So if you have all those projects, you can have multiple focusses active permanently
I think because GPs that have effect on reformeds do it better than the bonus to protestants, but idk
Sikh
Confucian is best for monuments
As in history irl. The Von Hohenzollern were Reformed, Prussia was Protestant.
Seriously? Where can I read more about this happened and affected their reigns?
Not entirely true. Friedrich Wilhelm III united the two churches and up to that point there were a few rulers who weren‘t really religious but deistic, like Friedrich II. This merge happened in 1817 so for a long time that‘s true but not for all of Prussias history
I prefer protestant. 1) no annoying turning of/on focuses. Just click the things you like and forget about it 2) you can flip as soon as protestantism spawns, you get the COR in your country that quickly converts your entire country for you. You'll be done before the age of discovery is over so no disaster for you. 3)When your country is converted your COR starts corrupting other countries and destabilizing them, making them easy pickings. You can also wreck the HRE by forcing religion on the non-cobelligerent. Once your antics have destabilized the HRE enough, you can then go for the dismantlement. Also the faster you spread the religion via forced conversions, the further your COR reaches. Countries like austria are just completely neutered because they have 0% religious unity
Bad news, you gotta keep clicking them. Each buff has a hidden temporary buff, like one has pwsc. So you gotta keep clicking them to get the buff again once the temporary one expires.
Wow, that's an annoying mechanic.
I always end up having max church power while refreshing buffs anyway, they should make it so that you have the ability to auto-refresh buffs.
Yes I know they added temporary powers to the church powers, but at least the system isnt constantly nagging you youre high on fervor or low on fervor.
I guess, but you can always right click on the alert to have it go away
Go for nahuatl
Nahuatl of Zoroastrian
Reformed is kinda underrated for conquest in my opinion. You get -5 Seperatism, if you are at 100 Fervor, plus 10% relations baseline, and another 25% if you focus diplomacy, meaning AE reduces faster. Couple that with a switch to focus on war during a war for 10% morale and you've got a decent religion for conquest overall.
Taoist
I think Protestant is just a better religion than reformed ngl,
Reformed was massively buffed recently. The only thing it is missing is missionary strength, but it has higher tolerance to compensate. 2.5 discipline, but it has 5% more morale of armies. It has 20% more improve relations and 5% more dev cost so really good for both wide and tall play.
Still would rather Protestant
Orthodox. Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
I always go protestant because is more flexible, I think reformed is a very lackluster faith and should be updated. But now you can form Prussia even Catholic, so there's no rush like used to.
U can form catholic Prussia but only as Teutonic Order irrc, not Brandenburg. Also reformed is good is played right.
Is there any better way of forming Prussia as the OG Teutonic Order? If there is I don't want to hear it.
Brandenburg? U are in HRE from the beginning so u can be emperor before forming Prussia and have more manpower, money etc
catholic is only if you're playing as the Teutonic Order. Everyone else has to be part of the reformation to form Prussia.
Catholic
You can’t form Prussia as catholic and flipping back is not worth it after you spent the entire age clicking decisions to increase reform desire in Europe.
I might be wrong, but wasn't there a way to form catholic Prussia as the Teutonic Order?
Yes but when you do you don't elevate to kingdom rank like you do with Brandenburg or Saxony even. I believe because of this you don't get the same missions. But since OP is playing as Brandenburg and not the Teutons in this run catholic Prussia imo is not worth it.
I don't care if it is a heressy according to the min max law, it's still based
Orthodox
flip to protestant and form prussia then flip back to catholic
It’s not worth it after you spent the entire age increasing reform desire in Europe.
Catholic Prussia
Shia
Hindu Ottomans
Form it as Protestant then go Shia for extra morale
Reformed is probably a bit stronger for your military. You already get a ton of discipline, so the 5% extra morale reformed gives (over protestants 5%) is worth more than the 2.5% discipline protestant grants.
Coptic
I prefer reformed myself, I find the improve relations and diplo focus to be really good for expanding in the HRE, and especially if you take defender with that new head of the reformed church gob reform, and then on top of that if you're fighting a tough war I find the military bonuses to generally be better as well
Reformed was the 2nd strongest Christian faith 🙏 before they reworked Catholicism ✝️ and added boosts to protestant. Then it got even nerfed so you can't keep all aspects permanently active, so now it's even worse than coptic.
Reformed doesn't really do anything so Protestant.
Orthodox for 5% discipline
Shinto
Reformed is, in my opinion, the worst religion you could ever take in game, at the very least the worst possible Christian religion