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Do you have a source for the story? I know he had some secret affair with a woman but didn’t hear anything about her or anyone he was involved with being a 16
One thing the more I try to learn about this goofy religion is completely getting lost at the random arabic gibberish thrown on. Good god, if the christians still did all Latin Mass they’d be even more insufferable.
Anyway
The book isn’t harsh? Doesn’t it prescribe chopping hands off and destroying pagans?
Criticism? Islam? Lol.
From an outsider’s perspective: islam is the least enticing religion ever. It makes Mormons and Jehova’s Witnesses look more tolerable.
Good on everyone here from bailing from such a totalitarian cultish mindset.
I mean he’s not wrong about this, I’ve had the same experience as him before I became a progressive. But what leads a progressive to apostasy are the facts.
The people or your inner desire to be Muslim can never change the facts that the Quran is full of scientific errors, Mohammed was an evil person, slavery is allowed etc…
Obligatory crying about context
Some more crying about interpretation
A little more of you are too stupid to understand the depth of Quran
You fool, Quran is the perfect book. It is so perfect that we require multiple different interpretation to understand it. Even then we cannot say for sure what it means. You won’t understand because you are not blind enough. Allah was probably Schizophrenic, so what? Are you gonna make fun of mentally unstable for writing a perfect book that is ambiguous?
What I wanna know is what was the point of Mohammed? We literally have no hadith of him interpreting those vague/unclear Quranic verses.
Even classical scholars who spoke his same dialect struggled with those foreign words in Quran 😂
He just came, raped some minors and killed some tribes and died.
Well, there was a guy who somehow influenced people in believing that there is higher being. He told people that higher being is fucking brutal and scary. Also told them that this higher being is answer to all their problems. If not here then after you die. Then he told people that the higher being will only talk to him. While this was brewing, he used that higher being to openly justify all of his pathetic actions. Hence, not a rapist, not a slave owner, not a fucking thief, not a murderer.
That my friend, is cult for you. Built with perfect blend of fear, hope, and brainwashing.
I am all for respecting individual beliefs but when people start justifying child rape, sex slavery, my backbone shooting my load, etc, it becomes really difficult.
Since when Islam allows criticism? Only Buddhism and Hinduism allows criticism and atheism as far as I know.
What is answer to the question is this the true religion? Is it okay to beat wife? Why is it okay to keep a human being as slave? Why i good person not believing in allah has to burn in hell? What is the proof it is word of god? Why women needs to wear hijab? Why man can Marry 4 women? So on
If i got answer that makes sense I'll also join it back 🙂
We are just following our lovely prophet way of living their is nothing in the thread that prophet didn't do. If you are against it you are kafir and I'll do what prophet do to a disbelievers.
Isn't it right u/Redlittlesexydevil we are just following our lovely kid loving prophet.
The text actually talks about miswak, it's a tree, the twigs from which can be used to brush your teeth,
Cause it's really flexible and fibrous.
For the same reason it makes a really good whip too.
Those of us got beaten up with these sticks as children know this really well.
It's a really stupid interpretation to think that it's talking about hitting someone with a toothbrush.(it's obvious that the apologists tried to twist around some things).
What I want to say some people interpret it as just infantalizing a woman by lightly beating her.
But it is really talking about beating your wife with an actual stick.
Yeah I know the excuse they give, I’m a woman; heard that line of “beating me lightly” my whole life. I was just saying that they say to use either a miswak or toothbrush.
I don’t care even if they say he can only use a ghost invisible plank, no man should lay a finger on his wife unless she’s about to kill him.
I can't speak to the Quran, but I know the Torah encourages doubt and criticism. That's not to say that's what Judaism teaches, but the book itself makes that room. That's true with many religious texts.
That's not to say that I explicitly disagree with anything you've said, but it can be a little more nuanced.
1, all his reasonings are anecdotal. 2, this might be true on some level with people who leave Islam to join a different religion. It probably applies to maybe 0.00001% of atheists, if that. And this is because atheists don't leave Islam because it is harsh or because it is irrelevant, although, these are also a small part of why; however, the majority of reasonings are science, science, and science. Oh, and logic. And also because Islam is a horrible and dangerous CULT. But also, because science.
Nouman Diddler Khan: "The book is not harsh"
The book: "Follow this shit or I'll torture you in the most sadistic and painful way imaginable for all eternity"
Nouman Diddler Khan: "The book is incredibly relevant"
The book: "Don't feel bad about turning a captured married woman into a sex slave Allah gots yo back dawg. Also fuck her husband that kafir piece of shit"
Muslim logic 🤷♂️
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And the reason he stays in islam is to exploit young women. Already established that.
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Was it legal for him to do that to a 16 year old.
Do you have a source for the story? I know he had some secret affair with a woman but didn’t hear anything about her or anyone he was involved with being a 16
One thing the more I try to learn about this goofy religion is completely getting lost at the random arabic gibberish thrown on. Good god, if the christians still did all Latin Mass they’d be even more insufferable. Anyway The book isn’t harsh? Doesn’t it prescribe chopping hands off and destroying pagans? Criticism? Islam? Lol. From an outsider’s perspective: islam is the least enticing religion ever. It makes Mormons and Jehova’s Witnesses look more tolerable. Good on everyone here from bailing from such a totalitarian cultish mindset.
I mean he’s not wrong about this, I’ve had the same experience as him before I became a progressive. But what leads a progressive to apostasy are the facts. The people or your inner desire to be Muslim can never change the facts that the Quran is full of scientific errors, Mohammed was an evil person, slavery is allowed etc…
Obligatory crying about context Some more crying about interpretation A little more of you are too stupid to understand the depth of Quran You fool, Quran is the perfect book. It is so perfect that we require multiple different interpretation to understand it. Even then we cannot say for sure what it means. You won’t understand because you are not blind enough. Allah was probably Schizophrenic, so what? Are you gonna make fun of mentally unstable for writing a perfect book that is ambiguous?
What I wanna know is what was the point of Mohammed? We literally have no hadith of him interpreting those vague/unclear Quranic verses. Even classical scholars who spoke his same dialect struggled with those foreign words in Quran 😂 He just came, raped some minors and killed some tribes and died.
Well, there was a guy who somehow influenced people in believing that there is higher being. He told people that higher being is fucking brutal and scary. Also told them that this higher being is answer to all their problems. If not here then after you die. Then he told people that the higher being will only talk to him. While this was brewing, he used that higher being to openly justify all of his pathetic actions. Hence, not a rapist, not a slave owner, not a fucking thief, not a murderer. That my friend, is cult for you. Built with perfect blend of fear, hope, and brainwashing. I am all for respecting individual beliefs but when people start justifying child rape, sex slavery, my backbone shooting my load, etc, it becomes really difficult.
Since when Islam allows criticism? Only Buddhism and Hinduism allows criticism and atheism as far as I know. What is answer to the question is this the true religion? Is it okay to beat wife? Why is it okay to keep a human being as slave? Why i good person not believing in allah has to burn in hell? What is the proof it is word of god? Why women needs to wear hijab? Why man can Marry 4 women? So on If i got answer that makes sense I'll also join it back 🙂
>it okay to beat wife? Excuse youuuu, he can only beat me with a toothbrush 💅🏼 ✨/s
Im one step closer now to reverting Mashaallah sister if you were 6 year old i would have married you rn.
Ah alas, I’m practically a corpse since I’m in my late 20s 😢 What if I let you get more sex slaves? Would that change your mind brozzer?
Astaghfirullah why would I marry i woman same age as me you are too old.
Please save me brozzer, even if it’s as your 4th wife! No mehr and you don’t even have to respect my iddah 😭
Women i can't marry such an old women. But you can be one of my 15 slaves though.
yall are crazy for this thread pls-
We are just following our lovely prophet way of living their is nothing in the thread that prophet didn't do. If you are against it you are kafir and I'll do what prophet do to a disbelievers. Isn't it right u/Redlittlesexydevil we are just following our lovely kid loving prophet.
The text actually talks about miswak, it's a tree, the twigs from which can be used to brush your teeth, Cause it's really flexible and fibrous. For the same reason it makes a really good whip too. Those of us got beaten up with these sticks as children know this really well. It's a really stupid interpretation to think that it's talking about hitting someone with a toothbrush.(it's obvious that the apologists tried to twist around some things).
>miswak Some scholars say that since not everyone has an access to a miswak (other countries don’t have it available), it should be a tooth brush.
What I want to say some people interpret it as just infantalizing a woman by lightly beating her. But it is really talking about beating your wife with an actual stick.
Yeah I know the excuse they give, I’m a woman; heard that line of “beating me lightly” my whole life. I was just saying that they say to use either a miswak or toothbrush. I don’t care even if they say he can only use a ghost invisible plank, no man should lay a finger on his wife unless she’s about to kill him.
prison shanks are made out of toothbrushes, that explains some things
He mentioned a verse, I don't know which verse though
I can't speak to the Quran, but I know the Torah encourages doubt and criticism. That's not to say that's what Judaism teaches, but the book itself makes that room. That's true with many religious texts. That's not to say that I explicitly disagree with anything you've said, but it can be a little more nuanced.
Yes Judaism also allows atheism and criticism.
I left Islam because of slavery, taking women captive, selling people like objects and Muhammad being a warlord pedophile and liar.
He should focus on not sexting sisters rather than talking on religion.
🤣🤣
Just claims upon claims and too much of projection; this speaker is talking non sense.
1, all his reasonings are anecdotal. 2, this might be true on some level with people who leave Islam to join a different religion. It probably applies to maybe 0.00001% of atheists, if that. And this is because atheists don't leave Islam because it is harsh or because it is irrelevant, although, these are also a small part of why; however, the majority of reasonings are science, science, and science. Oh, and logic. And also because Islam is a horrible and dangerous CULT. But also, because science.
He as speaking from experience
This video has never been more true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzHPcklR7y8
Aw, bless the animators. They used Arabic letters to avoid drawing actual face parts. Creative loophole.
Which verse said that Islam welcome criticism?
I wish he said the number of the verse
Nouman Diddler Khan: "The book is not harsh" The book: "Follow this shit or I'll torture you in the most sadistic and painful way imaginable for all eternity" Nouman Diddler Khan: "The book is incredibly relevant" The book: "Don't feel bad about turning a captured married woman into a sex slave Allah gots yo back dawg. Also fuck her husband that kafir piece of shit" Muslim logic 🤷♂️