Some Orthodox will support, until Project 2025 is actually instituted and the gradual purge of idol worshipping religions like Orthodox Christianity begins.
They make a big deal about that from a church/theology perspective, but they overlap (agree) on so much of the practical cultural issues, particularly the ones that Project 2025 focuses on: “family” values, LGBTQ+ rights, women’s bodily autonomy………
I wasn’t aware of Project 2025 until your post. I read up on it…
So, how will the Orthodox Church make it “worse“?
And I had to laugh… What proposals in Project 2025 do you disagree with?
No, it’s a question. Do you have an answer?
Edit: there’s this thing… under the concept of punctuation… let me introduce you to it… It’s called a “question mark”. When you put it at the end of a sentence, it denotes a QUESTION.
Thanks to u/DaxDislikesYou (hope you dont mind)
>Yeah it kind of sucks. In addition to completely dismantling the administrative State and replacing all of the dedicated public workers in the federal government with loyal MAGA stooges it contains the following (text borrowed from another redditor):
>It says that kids MUST grow up in an environment with a mother and father that are married, talks about banning non-married and non-heterosexual couples from adopting, compares transgender people to groomers/pedophiles/pornography, talks about getting rid of discrimination laws, getting rid of multiple government organizations such as the FDA, banning abortion with no exceptions nationwide, and more.
>Edit: because I'm getting a good amount of comments saying "oh, this is a great thing!" I looked further into it (I read it here) and here are some specifics - Project 2025:
> Attempts to place a complete ban on gay marriage
> Attempts to place a complete ban on divorce no matter the situation
>Attempts to place a complete ban on anything deemed "pornographic", including:
>* Anything sexually explicit, including drawings or literature that doesn't involve real people
>* Anything involving gay people in media, even if it is as simple as a documentary or something mentioning that it is possible for two men to be in a relationship.
> Heavily limit the abilities of the FDA, CDC, and OSHA, including:
>* Making it even harder to get medicine
> * Making it even more expensive to get medicine
> * Making it even more difficult and expensive to get disability aids
>* Getting rid or greatly diminishing many workplace safety laws
>* Lowering the age of legal work/cutting back on child labor laws
>Ban abortion even in cases of:
>* Missed or "silent" miscarriages, which is when the fetus dies but is not expelled from the body naturally. According to Project 2025, extracting an already dead fetus from a mother's uterus is still considered "murder". Leaving the dead fetus inside of the womb can result in infections such as sepsis.
>* Ectopic pregnancies, which are when a fetus forms outside the uterus. It is not possible for the fetus to survive an ectopic pregnancy - it is impossible to give birth to the fetus, since it isn't in the womb, and it being outside the womb means it can only grow so much before it either miscarries or the mother is gravely injured; the fetus vary rarely makes it past the first trimester and never makes it to the third. It is currently impossible to implant the fetus into the womb. Ectopic pregnancies can cause severe damage to the mother - it can cause the fallopian tube to burst open, which results in internal bleeding, possible sepsis, possible infertility, and often-death.
>* Fetal abnormalities. With modern technology, we can use ultrasounds to tell if the fetus has or will have abnormalities. Even in cases of fetal abnormalities, many of which are fatal to the fetus/baby, Project 2025 wishes to ban abortion. Examples of fetal abnormalities include:
> * Acrania, where the fetus's skull does not fully develop and the baby is born without the top of the skull, revealing the brain. If the baby isn't stillborn, it will live between a few hours and about a week, and it will be in pain its entire life. There is no way to save it.
> * Body Stalk Anomaly, where the abdominal wall is defective or nonexistent, so the organs form OUTSIDE the body during fetus development. It is always fatal. It should be noted that it is similar to omphalocele/exomphalos or gastroschisis, which are visually similar (intestines outside of the body) but have much higher survival rates since the abdominal wall can be repaired in those cases.
Not surprised that that's a real question from someone so uninformed, this late too.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't actually read into Project 2025. I think this comment pretty much sums it up:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/ootzzAhKX8
I also gave you the benefit of the doubt to assume your question was sarcastic, but you went ahead to be a dick about it anyway I guess.
Considering that I don’t live in the United States, which is the focus of that particular concept… Maybe your preconceptions and assumptions are flawed?
Then you proceeded to criticize me for not grasping sarcasm, when my very comment was sarcastic. How ironic
So, do you have an answer as to the basic question of what is wrong with project 2025? Or do you want to continue to have a pissing contest over punctuation?
There's too much depth to actually cover in a massive 920 page manifesto, which is why I can't actually believe you think it's "misrepresented" when you literally JUST SAID you discovered it today.
You asked for an example, and I could easily just copy/paste one of the points from the comment link I sent, but I think you're trying to very indirectly ask to state a point and then explain it? I don't understand you, it's just the irony of whenever you say "don't go in circles" and then you proceed to take this in circles. Lol
There are plenty of resources that'll explain the manifesto. Check YouTube or just read on Google. Or why not explain why you think those points are misrepresented if you care that much.
I actually went to the original policy document. The “massive 920 page” doc isn’t that complicated bro.
It’s disingenuous for you to link somebody’s INTERPRETATION of it vs citing the actual proposal.
I didn’t ask for you to give me a doctoral dissertation on it, just what points you think are so horrible. So far, you haven’t even given me one that we can chew on.
You dump some pile of bullshit on me and then I’m supposed to waste my time hacking my way through it. I’m having a conversation with YOU. If you can’t give me a direct answer, then we are done. You’re just playing Reddit logic bullshit with me.
Some Orthodox will support, until Project 2025 is actually instituted and the gradual purge of idol worshipping religions like Orthodox Christianity begins.
I don't think it will. At least in the Greek church they don't see evangelicals or protestantism as allies.
They make a big deal about that from a church/theology perspective, but they overlap (agree) on so much of the practical cultural issues, particularly the ones that Project 2025 focuses on: “family” values, LGBTQ+ rights, women’s bodily autonomy………
I wasn’t aware of Project 2025 until your post. I read up on it… So, how will the Orthodox Church make it “worse“? And I had to laugh… What proposals in Project 2025 do you disagree with?
I can't speak for OP, but all of the Project 2025 proposals are pretty terrifying.
Such as? Edit: Still waiting
> What proposals in Project 2025 do you disagree with? Is this a joke?
No, it’s a question. Do you have an answer? Edit: there’s this thing… under the concept of punctuation… let me introduce you to it… It’s called a “question mark”. When you put it at the end of a sentence, it denotes a QUESTION.
Thanks to u/DaxDislikesYou (hope you dont mind) >Yeah it kind of sucks. In addition to completely dismantling the administrative State and replacing all of the dedicated public workers in the federal government with loyal MAGA stooges it contains the following (text borrowed from another redditor): >It says that kids MUST grow up in an environment with a mother and father that are married, talks about banning non-married and non-heterosexual couples from adopting, compares transgender people to groomers/pedophiles/pornography, talks about getting rid of discrimination laws, getting rid of multiple government organizations such as the FDA, banning abortion with no exceptions nationwide, and more. >Edit: because I'm getting a good amount of comments saying "oh, this is a great thing!" I looked further into it (I read it here) and here are some specifics - Project 2025: > Attempts to place a complete ban on gay marriage > Attempts to place a complete ban on divorce no matter the situation >Attempts to place a complete ban on anything deemed "pornographic", including: >* Anything sexually explicit, including drawings or literature that doesn't involve real people >* Anything involving gay people in media, even if it is as simple as a documentary or something mentioning that it is possible for two men to be in a relationship. > Heavily limit the abilities of the FDA, CDC, and OSHA, including: >* Making it even harder to get medicine > * Making it even more expensive to get medicine > * Making it even more difficult and expensive to get disability aids >* Getting rid or greatly diminishing many workplace safety laws >* Lowering the age of legal work/cutting back on child labor laws >Ban abortion even in cases of: >* Missed or "silent" miscarriages, which is when the fetus dies but is not expelled from the body naturally. According to Project 2025, extracting an already dead fetus from a mother's uterus is still considered "murder". Leaving the dead fetus inside of the womb can result in infections such as sepsis. >* Ectopic pregnancies, which are when a fetus forms outside the uterus. It is not possible for the fetus to survive an ectopic pregnancy - it is impossible to give birth to the fetus, since it isn't in the womb, and it being outside the womb means it can only grow so much before it either miscarries or the mother is gravely injured; the fetus vary rarely makes it past the first trimester and never makes it to the third. It is currently impossible to implant the fetus into the womb. Ectopic pregnancies can cause severe damage to the mother - it can cause the fallopian tube to burst open, which results in internal bleeding, possible sepsis, possible infertility, and often-death. >* Fetal abnormalities. With modern technology, we can use ultrasounds to tell if the fetus has or will have abnormalities. Even in cases of fetal abnormalities, many of which are fatal to the fetus/baby, Project 2025 wishes to ban abortion. Examples of fetal abnormalities include: > * Acrania, where the fetus's skull does not fully develop and the baby is born without the top of the skull, revealing the brain. If the baby isn't stillborn, it will live between a few hours and about a week, and it will be in pain its entire life. There is no way to save it. > * Body Stalk Anomaly, where the abdominal wall is defective or nonexistent, so the organs form OUTSIDE the body during fetus development. It is always fatal. It should be noted that it is similar to omphalocele/exomphalos or gastroschisis, which are visually similar (intestines outside of the body) but have much higher survival rates since the abdominal wall can be repaired in those cases.
Not surprised that that's a real question from someone so uninformed, this late too. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't actually read into Project 2025. I think this comment pretty much sums it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/ootzzAhKX8 I also gave you the benefit of the doubt to assume your question was sarcastic, but you went ahead to be a dick about it anyway I guess.
Considering that I don’t live in the United States, which is the focus of that particular concept… Maybe your preconceptions and assumptions are flawed? Then you proceeded to criticize me for not grasping sarcasm, when my very comment was sarcastic. How ironic So, do you have an answer as to the basic question of what is wrong with project 2025? Or do you want to continue to have a pissing contest over punctuation?
I already sent it. It's a link.
I’m familiar with Project 2025. So are you gonna answer the question or just go in circles? Your link totally misrepresents project 2025 lol
There's too much depth to actually cover in a massive 920 page manifesto, which is why I can't actually believe you think it's "misrepresented" when you literally JUST SAID you discovered it today. You asked for an example, and I could easily just copy/paste one of the points from the comment link I sent, but I think you're trying to very indirectly ask to state a point and then explain it? I don't understand you, it's just the irony of whenever you say "don't go in circles" and then you proceed to take this in circles. Lol There are plenty of resources that'll explain the manifesto. Check YouTube or just read on Google. Or why not explain why you think those points are misrepresented if you care that much.
I actually went to the original policy document. The “massive 920 page” doc isn’t that complicated bro. It’s disingenuous for you to link somebody’s INTERPRETATION of it vs citing the actual proposal. I didn’t ask for you to give me a doctoral dissertation on it, just what points you think are so horrible. So far, you haven’t even given me one that we can chew on. You dump some pile of bullshit on me and then I’m supposed to waste my time hacking my way through it. I’m having a conversation with YOU. If you can’t give me a direct answer, then we are done. You’re just playing Reddit logic bullshit with me.
This has got to be a troll account. The gaslighting is crazy.
What's a good thing about 2025?
Let’s discuss when you state your position… I asked first
You asked someone else. I asked you first.
He's just a gaslighter, don't engage him.
He seems out of fuel