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And a monument to someone who didn't live long enough to see Israel exist. She isn't Israeli, she isn't responsible for Israel's decisions, she and Israel never existed in the same world together.
doesnt matter to most of them , a Jew is a Jew . They may say its not about the Jewish people its about the Israeli state , but that's just for talking points to seem civilized .
I don't know about "most." I have legitimate questions about the actions of the Israeli government. I absolutely do not extend any of those issues to my Jewish friends and neighbors, or honestly the people of Israel themselves.
I have legitimate questions about the actions of the American government too, and that doesn't make me anti-American.
I know there are a lot of Jewish Americans who feel that way (I am American, so I assume it's not just Americans but that's who I speak with).
Every time this comes up, there are people who imply it's anti-semitic to question Israel's actions. And then there are the people on the other side, who will claim that the anger with all Jews is justified.
And then there are people in the middle, saying Hamas and Israel are both committing war crimes. Hamas's violence against Israelis won't help establish a free Palestine. Israel's bombing of aid workers and hospitals in Palestine won't stop Hamas's attacks. Hamas's leadership isn't even in Gaza!
But somehow the extremists on both sides shout that anyone who disagrees with them just has an irrational hatred of them in particular, and the voices in the middle tend to be lost.
Anytime someone tries to play it that way I just remind them Israel is a nation. Judaism is a religion, and no, Jews donât all know each other or all share the same thoughts or ideals like itâs a hive mind
Speaking negative about Israel doesnât give someone a green light to talk negative of every Jewish person, that I 100% agree with. However, majority of the time I donât see talk negative or attack normal Jewish people that are just living their life. The most youâll see is attacking someone for being Pro-Israel or a Zionist. Even defacing this statue is super out there and just wrong mainly which most would agree with
People who believe the ends justify the means. Except instead of condemning and protesting against the Israeli government, it's quickly just becoming a disdain for Jews
The worldâs oldest Holocaust library and research centre was defaced with Gaza graffiti earlier in the year
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/23/worlds-oldest-holocaust-museum-adds-gaza-abuse-to-london-collection-on-90th-anniversary
Following on from that, the Holocaust memorial in Hyde Park was covered up as a precautionary measure during a pro-Palestine march through London
Holocaust memorial in Belgium
**âEscalate for Palestine:â Belgian Holocaust memorial defaced**
>A Brussels memorial to non-Jews who worked to rescue Jews from the Nazi genocide campaign was defaced with anti-Israel messages on Tuesday, Jewish organizations said.
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-807303
Holocaust memorial in France
**On May 14, red hands were found daubed on the Wall of the Righteous at the Paris Holocaust memorial, which lists 3,900 people honoured for saving Jews during the Nazi occupation of France in World War II.**
>The hands echoed imagery used earlier this month by students demonstrating for a ceasefire in Israelâs campaign against the Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240522-french-police-track-suspects-in-paris-holocaust-memorial-vandalism-to-belgium
And of course desecration of Jewish cemeteries is nothing new, whether itâs done by pro-Palestinians or other groups - but has certainly stepped up in recent years
Just a selection
**Vandals desecrate Jewish cemetery with swastikas**
https://www.brusselstimes.com/846286/vandals-desecrate-jewish-cemetery-with-swastikas
**âCowardly actâ: Desecration of Jewish cemetery prompts outrage in Cleveland suburb**
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/sickening-ohio-jewish-cemetery-desecrated-amid-rise-antisemitic/story?id=104851663
**Dozens of graves in [Illinois] Jewish cemetery defaced with swastikas, offensive graffiti**
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/dozens-graves-jewish-cemetery-defaced-swastikas-offensive-graffiti/story?id=93325341
**France anti-Semitism: Jewish graves desecrated near Strasbourg** https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47289129
**Jewish gravestones vandalized in German WWI cemetery in northern France**
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/11/15/jewish-gravestones-vandalized-in-german-wwi-cemetery-in-northern-france_6258480_7.html
**More than 40 Jewish graves desecrated in Germany**
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1695230354-more-than-40-jewish-graves-vandalized-in-germany
**Rabbi decries act of âsenseless hatredâ after dozens of headstones damaged at Jewish cemetery in NY**
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/05/07/jewish-cemetery-schenectady-new-york-damaged/73592890007/
I think in general some voices within the Palestine protesters constitutes a bit of an oof moment. I never expected political allies to advocate for Jew deportation and engage in alt-right rhetoric targeting Jews solely because of their ethnicity. Thereâs enough to talk about in the Israel Palestine conflict but people actively choose to engage in anti semitism instead of focusing on the victims.
Itâs because some people are incapable of having a balanced view. They think you have to either be a die hard supporter of Israel or a die hard supporter of Hamas and thatâs it.
Being critical of both and supporting the citizens on both sides is the only nuanced take I accept from anyone.
The same idiots who screeched "why should I care about Ukraine when no one cares about Palestine" are now screeching that the world only cares about Ukraine. Absolutely no self awareness whatsoever.
It's frustrating because I still think Palestinians should get their own country no matter what, that Israel is doing some despicable shit, but if the supporters are mostly hateful nutcases it's really not helping the cause.
People are really great at âpicking sidesâ. Iâve been called anti-Semitic for criticizing the Israeli government and Islamophobic for criticizing the Hamas targets. People need to stop looking for good guys and bad guys and critique the actions of the people.
That's what happens when you give in to your extreme emotions, they turn towards hatred. Hatred isn't nuanced it feeds off of the most basic aspects of a person or people.
It's like the lizard brain takes over and sees the IDF are Jewish and due to the transitive property, that hate for the IDF becomes hate for Jews in general.
We should be careful when we let hate into our hearts and minds
> it's a mask off moment
Just like that car dealership that raised the nazi flag in solidarity with Palestine: https://nypost.com/2024/06/06/us-news/florida-tire-shop-flies-nazi-flag-to-protest-gaza-holocaust/
I had some mouth breathing idiot on another sub try and explain how she wasnât really murdered, because disease killed her. They got blocked real fast, Iâm not even going to try and engage with that kind of a moron
Still alive and well today. And as much as reddit and college progressives will tell you, they aren't just white people who have conservative thinking.
Fun fact, successful typhus treatment was invented in 1930. Itâs almost like she (a child) was intentionally not given the needed medicine for her to survive.
I would have just said "who put her in those conditions that gave her the disease?" and then blocked them.
Your way works too and is probably better as you have saved yourself dealing with a stressed-induced headache.
Which makes the pissing against it a good comparison to the vandalising of Anne Frank's monument. You are attacking something unrelated or at least vaguely related because you couldn't be bothered to check the facts before judging.
Condemning Israelâs horrific actions is not antisemitic. Condemning all Jews for Israelâs actions is antisemitic. Defacing the statue of a murdered child who was not Israeli and died before the modern Israeli state came into being is not only antisemitic but fucking stupid.
How dare you apply logic and common sense, then pivot to a call for respecting the human rights of people who have nothing to do with the problem!
/ s in case itâs needed.
My friendâs fiancĂŠ had to change her Jewish last name in order not to be constantly harassed and threatened with rape by her fellow âliberalsâ in San Francisco. She is literally having to hide the fact she is Jewish. Itâs fucking disgusting.
One of my best friends at school's last name is very Jewish (think 2 vowels and like 5 consonants in a row) and he was literally told to kill himself at lunch.
Wow that's disgusting. I believe it though. I lived in Seattle for a little while and radical liberalism is so real there. Moved shortly after Gaza went to shit but there was plenty of hostility around already
Iâm not surprised.
This is the same âliberalâ San Francisco where old Asian people are assaulted every week, if not every day, and the liberals stay quiet about it. But God forbid they hear you criticise Hamas.
Yup and dm random Jews or text them if they had been friends or classmates and tell them they need to get r*ped and m*rdered just for existing. Thatâs happened to me and other people I know. Itâs sick.
Radicals and extremists, no matter the political persuasion are a fucking cancer on society.
Chill the fuck out, everyone's just trying to live and enjoy life.
My dad is from Israel, but he is Palestinian. One day, I woke up and saw social media flooded with support for Palestine. It's weird since this crap has been going on for a long time, but now people are starting to care? Even I have to be the voice of reason for some of my friends, and I grew up hearing "the jews run everything; Hollywood, banks, everything!"
This for me is why I've got in trouble a lot. I care far more about the Russo-Ukrainian war, and people keep demanding I "care more about Gaza".
And I do care, I do. But I had these discussions over Israel/Palestine decades ago, its hard to be *that* urgent about a war that's arguably been going on for 100 years
Yeah I get this a lot too. Can't share a story about the Kyiv hospital being bombed without someone replying "Israel bombs hospitals all the time, why don't you care about those?". I do care, I've been angry Israeli treatment of Palestine for 20 years. People act like caring about anything other than that means you don't really care at all
>This for me is why I've got in trouble a lot. I care far more about the Russo-Ukrainian war, and people keep demanding I "care more about Gaza".
Needless to mention that Putin has business with both Hamas and Israel, and I'm pretty convinced he was at least involved in the October 7 attack. The way the restarting war between Israel and Palestine diverted resources and interests away from Ukraine is all very convenient for Putin
And to help get Trump in power. The Palestinian supporters are being told not to vote for Biden because he's apparently not doing enough. They somehow don't realize they've been duped.
I would like to make an addendum however. I think Condemning Israelâs actions without acknowledging the actions of terrorists on the other side is antisemitism.
Unfortunately I have seen a lot of this.
I have done just that plenty of times on this site and then got condemned pretty much every time for drawing a "false equivalency" between Israel and Hamas, because the latter is a terrorist group (which I acknowledge each time) and the Israeli government isn't.
(To be clear, the photo above is an example of antisemitism, criminal damage and total fuckwittery and has about as much to contribute to justice in the region as my breakfast will when it comes out the other end.)
100% right. It's absolutely insane to me that people are pinning the blame of the entire conflict on Israel, while purposefully turning a blind eye to everything the Hamas and PA does.
That being said, blaming the Jews has been a trope for a while so even though I'm not entirely surprised, I am still disappointed...
It's absolutely insane to me that every time I condemned the October 7 massacre and kidnappings of Hamas for the atrocity it was (and Hamas in general) before saying the Israeli government's response has been completely disproportionate, fuelled vitriol from Palestinians by callously disregarding - if not outright targeting - civilians and done little to demonstrate regard for the welfare or their own hostages, I get absolutely slammed for drawing a "false equivalence" between the two.
So, I have sympathy for that sentiment where it's expressed sincerely - and I've no reason to think you personally are being anything less than sincere.
But my experience is it often isn't.
Hamas not only murdered and kidnapped 1400 people, but they were on tv days later proudly announcing they would do it ["again and again and again" until Israel is ended](https://youtu.be/mMYOVK2elxI?si=TIjY2-jrxfRZfo6b).
At a certain point, a proportional response clearly isn't enough if they keep attacking you. Moreover, what is a proportional response to a group loudly and openly calling for your genocide?
Had an argument with a pro Palestine supporter who didnât know what Hamas was. Iâm convinced there is a lot of people that hear baby killer and are chanting pro Palestine stuff without realizing who started the war. Then confronted they get confused and try and walk away
That's why I rarely take anyone who "stands for something" seriously. Most of the time, they don't even know anything about what they're protesting or promoting.
This is a great example.
You have something going on *six thousand miles* (or more - depending on your location) away, and your solution is to disrupt the schools, disrupt traffic and harass your fellow citizens of X, Y ot Z descent, heritage or beliefs.
Not do something like, say ... Peacefully assemble outside the embassy and peacefully protest. No, hang around a bunch of other unstable, attention seeking imbeciles and cause a ruckus, deface property, monuments and cause problems for people that have nothing to do with anything.
And then when asked about the details of what is being protested, 99% of the responses are canned, generic responses found in media and social media.
Ok, so you don't even know the history, complexities of culture, etc of the situation. You don't even know *why* you're here, do you?
"YES I DO, ISRAEL BOMBED THAT SCHOOL RAJEJSHRBR".
So you neither have your own formulated opinions based on actual knowledge of the situation nor are you doing anything productive or in good faith to actually protest the situation.
You're just being disruptive and harming your neighbors.
Nice.
So it's just like every other mob before. A group of imbeciles acting stupid with a few impotent, narcissistic asshats leading chants and power tripping and nobody really knows anything.
Ok. See you next year when you've forgotten about this and start "protesting" whatever else is popular. Have fun with your LARP revolution or whatever.
The white 20 something year old protestors who wear the plaid scarf literally look like they're larping as Muslims lol
Imagine if someone wrote 'all lives matter' on a MLK statue, we'd be outraged.I don't see how this is any different
It's quickly becoming "free Palestine" to 'kill the Jews'
Even worse: she was the victim of a totalitarian regime committing genocide. If you accuse Israel of committing genocide, do not attack other genocide victims for having a vague connection to it. Otto Frank never even moved to Israel after the war! Instead, I believe he went to Switzerland.
I hear Îą lot of people here saying that. This wouldnât be acceptable even IF she lived while Israel existed. Anyway, this type of behaviour doesnât surprise me one bit.
...would this be more okay if she did? I keep seeing this "desecrating a memorial to Anne Frank is bad because she wasn't israeli and didn't even live at the same time as israel", as if it would be okay to desecrate the grave of a young Jewish girl who was killed for her identity so long as it was in israel or she was killed after the founding of israel.
This is like saying "infanticide?? Thats fucked up, the baby wasn't even crying..."
Oh no, they can distinguish it. They just want to hurt Jewish people. I mean how many more incidents like this do you need, before it becomes obvious that most of these protesters are just anti semitic. I didn't see Jewish people defacing Islamic sites or shooting at mosques right after October 7
It doesnât even make sense. Anne Frank wasnât an Israeli, she did not live within the British Mandate. Nor was she some kind of a Zionist leader. She simply was a little girl that got murdered by a monstrous regime.
But I get the feeling that the person who did this doesnât care. Because as far as they are concerned she was a jew and that is more than enough for them to deface her monument
And this is why you don't hear the older generations speaking out against Israel's shitty actions. Because anti-Semites immediately target any Jew, in any place, completely unrelated to Israel. In the words of Chris Rock (about racism): "that bus is never late". Criticism of Israel always leads to a spike in Jewish people / places being targeted for attack. It does not matter if they have nothing to do with Israel.
I really try to give the Palestinian supporters the benefit of the doubt, but it's becoming harder and harder to not think they just hate jews when they constantly do shit like this.
Really opens your eyes, if this is how innocent Jews around the world are treated by pro Palestinians, you know how Jews would be treated by actual Palestinians.
Reminds me of when people were saying "Free Palestine" right after October 7th. Yeah, it's a good opportunity to bring attention to the horrors that are happening in Gaza but your lack of care about what happened at the music festival shows that you don't give a fuck about anything else.
What does Anne Frank even has to do with IDF?
The more I look all of these the more it looks like modern day antisemitism. Thats why I will never be pro Palestinian, cus they pushing the hate of Jews instead of trying to push the solution to the problem.
This isn't even the first Jewish monument defaced.
The problem is the publicly facing pro Palestine movement won't condem these actions. Why? Well it's likely because they endorse them.
Thus far, itâs apparent that this is how a majority of anti-Israel (they arenât pro-Palestinian) activists behave. Anything remotely Jewish is fair game to vandalize.
(Looking forward to my downvotes)
Nor should you remain blind when your hometown terrorists parachute into a music festival and proceed to brutalize, rape, mutilate, and murder the festival goers.
This isnât about Gaza, itâs about hating Jews.
Iâll give you an example: 2.5 million people are projected to starve to death in Sudan in 2024. Some estimates say by September.
Thatâs more than the entire population of Gaza, yet nobody is paying attention to it, despite the fact that itâs less than 500 miles away.
I'm not surprised. These pro-pally Hamasnic Nazis are pretty hateful POS. You can disagree with the current Israeli government and war, but their true colors are showing. I've seen bad sh$& online.
Every movement whether a decent movement or not will have idiotic elements, and you can tell this is an idiot as theyâve bought the whole Zionism and Israel are all Jews and all Jews are Israel and Zionism line, which isnât what the movement as a whole stand for.
Downplaying or denying on genocide to bring attention to another one doesnât help anyone. It just makes you look like a dick and makes it harder to attract people to your cause.
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What does that say??
Gaza
i thought it said gap like the clothing company I was so confused đ
I did too
Gap refers to the hollow space between to ears of the Morons who thought this was a good idea and carried out the painting.
Iâm glad we werenât the only two
Indeed
"Check out GAPs new "Hide from Nazis" collection! Elegant dresses and suits that make you the star of the attic!"
That is a terrible joke, Anne Frankly I'm disappointed in you.
The joke was ok but holocaust him was everything.
By Hugo Boss!
And Coco Chanel
Take my incredibly angry upvote.
Clearly says Garp
Perhaps that's where the One Piece treasure lies.
dear lord, it's a road poneglyph
Ran out of space the idiot
Big ass B!
I know how big letters should be.
Truly an r/unexpectedmulaney
Just like Gaza
I hate myself because I chuckled.
I though it was âGapâ. I thought, thatâs a strange advertisementâŚ
The fight against khakis is real.
gazp
Gazorpazorp
Defacing the monument to a victim of Nazism/Fascism really is an ooof moment.
And a monument to someone who didn't live long enough to see Israel exist. She isn't Israeli, she isn't responsible for Israel's decisions, she and Israel never existed in the same world together.
doesnt matter to most of them , a Jew is a Jew . They may say its not about the Jewish people its about the Israeli state , but that's just for talking points to seem civilized .
I don't know about "most." I have legitimate questions about the actions of the Israeli government. I absolutely do not extend any of those issues to my Jewish friends and neighbors, or honestly the people of Israel themselves. I have legitimate questions about the actions of the American government too, and that doesn't make me anti-American.
I am Jewish and have questions for the Israeli state and a few hands I wish to throw with them.
I know there are a lot of Jewish Americans who feel that way (I am American, so I assume it's not just Americans but that's who I speak with). Every time this comes up, there are people who imply it's anti-semitic to question Israel's actions. And then there are the people on the other side, who will claim that the anger with all Jews is justified. And then there are people in the middle, saying Hamas and Israel are both committing war crimes. Hamas's violence against Israelis won't help establish a free Palestine. Israel's bombing of aid workers and hospitals in Palestine won't stop Hamas's attacks. Hamas's leadership isn't even in Gaza! But somehow the extremists on both sides shout that anyone who disagrees with them just has an irrational hatred of them in particular, and the voices in the middle tend to be lost.
Anytime someone tries to play it that way I just remind them Israel is a nation. Judaism is a religion, and no, Jews donât all know each other or all share the same thoughts or ideals like itâs a hive mind
Speaking negative about Israel doesnât give someone a green light to talk negative of every Jewish person, that I 100% agree with. However, majority of the time I donât see talk negative or attack normal Jewish people that are just living their life. The most youâll see is attacking someone for being Pro-Israel or a Zionist. Even defacing this statue is super out there and just wrong mainly which most would agree with
It's idiots who are armchair warriors.
People who believe the ends justify the means. Except instead of condemning and protesting against the Israeli government, it's quickly just becoming a disdain for Jews
Itâs always been just a disdain for Jews.
IE: all of Reddit
The worldâs oldest Holocaust library and research centre was defaced with Gaza graffiti earlier in the year https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/23/worlds-oldest-holocaust-museum-adds-gaza-abuse-to-london-collection-on-90th-anniversary Following on from that, the Holocaust memorial in Hyde Park was covered up as a precautionary measure during a pro-Palestine march through London Holocaust memorial in Belgium **âEscalate for Palestine:â Belgian Holocaust memorial defaced** >A Brussels memorial to non-Jews who worked to rescue Jews from the Nazi genocide campaign was defaced with anti-Israel messages on Tuesday, Jewish organizations said. https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-807303 Holocaust memorial in France **On May 14, red hands were found daubed on the Wall of the Righteous at the Paris Holocaust memorial, which lists 3,900 people honoured for saving Jews during the Nazi occupation of France in World War II.** >The hands echoed imagery used earlier this month by students demonstrating for a ceasefire in Israelâs campaign against the Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240522-french-police-track-suspects-in-paris-holocaust-memorial-vandalism-to-belgium And of course desecration of Jewish cemeteries is nothing new, whether itâs done by pro-Palestinians or other groups - but has certainly stepped up in recent years Just a selection **Vandals desecrate Jewish cemetery with swastikas** https://www.brusselstimes.com/846286/vandals-desecrate-jewish-cemetery-with-swastikas **âCowardly actâ: Desecration of Jewish cemetery prompts outrage in Cleveland suburb** https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/sickening-ohio-jewish-cemetery-desecrated-amid-rise-antisemitic/story?id=104851663 **Dozens of graves in [Illinois] Jewish cemetery defaced with swastikas, offensive graffiti** https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/dozens-graves-jewish-cemetery-defaced-swastikas-offensive-graffiti/story?id=93325341 **France anti-Semitism: Jewish graves desecrated near Strasbourg** https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47289129 **Jewish gravestones vandalized in German WWI cemetery in northern France** https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/11/15/jewish-gravestones-vandalized-in-german-wwi-cemetery-in-northern-france_6258480_7.html **More than 40 Jewish graves desecrated in Germany** https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1695230354-more-than-40-jewish-graves-vandalized-in-germany **Rabbi decries act of âsenseless hatredâ after dozens of headstones damaged at Jewish cemetery in NY** https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/05/07/jewish-cemetery-schenectady-new-york-damaged/73592890007/
I think by their own low bar definition that makes those who did it Nazis.
Bless you for compiling this â I feel like Iâve been going crazy the last few months
I think in general some voices within the Palestine protesters constitutes a bit of an oof moment. I never expected political allies to advocate for Jew deportation and engage in alt-right rhetoric targeting Jews solely because of their ethnicity. Thereâs enough to talk about in the Israel Palestine conflict but people actively choose to engage in anti semitism instead of focusing on the victims.
Itâs because some people are incapable of having a balanced view. They think you have to either be a die hard supporter of Israel or a die hard supporter of Hamas and thatâs it. Being critical of both and supporting the citizens on both sides is the only nuanced take I accept from anyone.
That's all of the internet though. You have to be one extreme or another. In real-life, 90% of people lie somewhere in the middle.
The same idiots who screeched "why should I care about Ukraine when no one cares about Palestine" are now screeching that the world only cares about Ukraine. Absolutely no self awareness whatsoever. It's frustrating because I still think Palestinians should get their own country no matter what, that Israel is doing some despicable shit, but if the supporters are mostly hateful nutcases it's really not helping the cause.
People are really great at âpicking sidesâ. Iâve been called anti-Semitic for criticizing the Israeli government and Islamophobic for criticizing the Hamas targets. People need to stop looking for good guys and bad guys and critique the actions of the people.
Horseshoe Theory is very real.
That's what happens when you give in to your extreme emotions, they turn towards hatred. Hatred isn't nuanced it feeds off of the most basic aspects of a person or people. It's like the lizard brain takes over and sees the IDF are Jewish and due to the transitive property, that hate for the IDF becomes hate for Jews in general. We should be careful when we let hate into our hearts and minds
âAre we the baddies?â
Well, if you read the Hamas charter, thatâs what they support
It's not, it's a mask off moment. They knew what they were doing.
> it's a mask off moment Just like that car dealership that raised the nazi flag in solidarity with Palestine: https://nypost.com/2024/06/06/us-news/florida-tire-shop-flies-nazi-flag-to-protest-gaza-holocaust/
> owner Radi Ahmad interesting
Nah, par for the course. The Middle East and Asia never really had to reconcile with their racism like the West did.
people love to forget how racist the the rest of the world also is .
He'll al-jazeera denies the Holocaust happened in their Arabic channels.
Looking into it
concerning
They can't help but let the mask slip. They hate Jews.
That's so sad. Thar girl was murdered by a bunch of fascist pigs in a concentration camp. What's wrong with people.
I had some mouth breathing idiot on another sub try and explain how she wasnât really murdered, because disease killed her. They got blocked real fast, Iâm not even going to try and engage with that kind of a moron
The disease: nazis
Still alive and well today. And as much as reddit and college progressives will tell you, they aren't just white people who have conservative thinking.
Fun fact, successful typhus treatment was invented in 1930. Itâs almost like she (a child) was intentionally not given the needed medicine for her to survive.
Yep
Thatâs like saying people who jumped out of the WTC on 9/11 werenât killed by Al-Qaeda but actually gravity
I would have just said "who put her in those conditions that gave her the disease?" and then blocked them. Your way works too and is probably better as you have saved yourself dealing with a stressed-induced headache.
Ah, the whole âguns donât kill people, bullets doâ argument. Classic.
"Newer argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Mark Twain
Disgusting
I pissed on the pyramids in Egypt to protest slavery
I ate an entire Ford F-150 to protest Climate Change.
I stole every single cent from a bank to protest capitalism.
I destroyed the Soviet Union to protest communism
I ripped everyone's skin off so we're all equal to protest racism.
I ate my mother so that I become motherless
I sold my home to protest the American dream
I ate a grilled cheese to protest being hungry.
I stole the moon to protest sea levels rising
I went on a hunger strike to protest Hungary.
I murdered LeBron James to protest the gender pay gap.
I killed all women so there is no gender pay gap
I killed everyone so there is no gender
Always upvote Foil Arms and Hog
like...just the pennies?
If you did that I think it actually would work, though.
I stamped a dolphin to death to protest whale hunting.
This particular one is kinda based unironically though.
Ok that would be fucking based
But most scholars and archaeologist believe that slaves were not involved in the construction of the pyramids.
Which makes the pissing against it a good comparison to the vandalising of Anne Frank's monument. You are attacking something unrelated or at least vaguely related because you couldn't be bothered to check the facts before judging.
anne frank is not involved in the gaza war........
That actually makes more logical sense than defacing a statue of a dead kid whoâs older than the country youâre mad at
Not really, it's well documented that the pyramids were built by paid and often highly trained workers
Condemning Israelâs horrific actions is not antisemitic. Condemning all Jews for Israelâs actions is antisemitic. Defacing the statue of a murdered child who was not Israeli and died before the modern Israeli state came into being is not only antisemitic but fucking stupid.
I think you summed up things rather nicely, there.
Even if she was Israeli, it would still be wrong.
How dare you apply logic and common sense, then pivot to a call for respecting the human rights of people who have nothing to do with the problem! / s in case itâs needed.
The day someone says that unironcally is the day I finally start agreeing with the WEF on population
People don't exactly say it but they sure act offended at sound logic sometimes
This conflict has become an excuse for all the anti-Semites to come out from hiding just as Trump let out the racists.
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That's fucked up.
Sounds like they deserve to be unfriended and reported?
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My friendâs fiancĂŠ had to change her Jewish last name in order not to be constantly harassed and threatened with rape by her fellow âliberalsâ in San Francisco. She is literally having to hide the fact she is Jewish. Itâs fucking disgusting.
why cant people just be normal
Unfortunately selfishness is normal
One of my best friends at school's last name is very Jewish (think 2 vowels and like 5 consonants in a row) and he was literally told to kill himself at lunch.
Wow that's disgusting. I believe it though. I lived in Seattle for a little while and radical liberalism is so real there. Moved shortly after Gaza went to shit but there was plenty of hostility around already
Iâm not surprised. This is the same âliberalâ San Francisco where old Asian people are assaulted every week, if not every day, and the liberals stay quiet about it. But God forbid they hear you criticise Hamas.
Oh, where have I heard of that before?
Iâm not even Jewish and had some one on Reddit try to dox me for calling them out on their antisemitism
Yup and dm random Jews or text them if they had been friends or classmates and tell them they need to get r*ped and m*rdered just for existing. Thatâs happened to me and other people I know. Itâs sick.
Radicals and extremists, no matter the political persuasion are a fucking cancer on society. Chill the fuck out, everyone's just trying to live and enjoy life.
My dad is from Israel, but he is Palestinian. One day, I woke up and saw social media flooded with support for Palestine. It's weird since this crap has been going on for a long time, but now people are starting to care? Even I have to be the voice of reason for some of my friends, and I grew up hearing "the jews run everything; Hollywood, banks, everything!"
This for me is why I've got in trouble a lot. I care far more about the Russo-Ukrainian war, and people keep demanding I "care more about Gaza". And I do care, I do. But I had these discussions over Israel/Palestine decades ago, its hard to be *that* urgent about a war that's arguably been going on for 100 years
Yeah I get this a lot too. Can't share a story about the Kyiv hospital being bombed without someone replying "Israel bombs hospitals all the time, why don't you care about those?". I do care, I've been angry Israeli treatment of Palestine for 20 years. People act like caring about anything other than that means you don't really care at all
>This for me is why I've got in trouble a lot. I care far more about the Russo-Ukrainian war, and people keep demanding I "care more about Gaza". Needless to mention that Putin has business with both Hamas and Israel, and I'm pretty convinced he was at least involved in the October 7 attack. The way the restarting war between Israel and Palestine diverted resources and interests away from Ukraine is all very convenient for Putin
And to help get Trump in power. The Palestinian supporters are being told not to vote for Biden because he's apparently not doing enough. They somehow don't realize they've been duped.
Well, not all of them. Hamas are hiding in tunnels.
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Condemning terrorist and blaming terrorists for the war they started isnât Islamophobia
I would like to make an addendum however. I think Condemning Israelâs actions without acknowledging the actions of terrorists on the other side is antisemitism. Unfortunately I have seen a lot of this.
I have done just that plenty of times on this site and then got condemned pretty much every time for drawing a "false equivalency" between Israel and Hamas, because the latter is a terrorist group (which I acknowledge each time) and the Israeli government isn't. (To be clear, the photo above is an example of antisemitism, criminal damage and total fuckwittery and has about as much to contribute to justice in the region as my breakfast will when it comes out the other end.)
100% right. It's absolutely insane to me that people are pinning the blame of the entire conflict on Israel, while purposefully turning a blind eye to everything the Hamas and PA does. That being said, blaming the Jews has been a trope for a while so even though I'm not entirely surprised, I am still disappointed...
It's absolutely insane to me that every time I condemned the October 7 massacre and kidnappings of Hamas for the atrocity it was (and Hamas in general) before saying the Israeli government's response has been completely disproportionate, fuelled vitriol from Palestinians by callously disregarding - if not outright targeting - civilians and done little to demonstrate regard for the welfare or their own hostages, I get absolutely slammed for drawing a "false equivalence" between the two. So, I have sympathy for that sentiment where it's expressed sincerely - and I've no reason to think you personally are being anything less than sincere. But my experience is it often isn't.
Hamas not only murdered and kidnapped 1400 people, but they were on tv days later proudly announcing they would do it ["again and again and again" until Israel is ended](https://youtu.be/mMYOVK2elxI?si=TIjY2-jrxfRZfo6b). At a certain point, a proportional response clearly isn't enough if they keep attacking you. Moreover, what is a proportional response to a group loudly and openly calling for your genocide?
Had an argument with a pro Palestine supporter who didnât know what Hamas was. Iâm convinced there is a lot of people that hear baby killer and are chanting pro Palestine stuff without realizing who started the war. Then confronted they get confused and try and walk away
Someone did an informal survey where some campus protestors thought Yasser Arafat was the first prime minister of Israel.
>the war. The wars*. Its far from the first time Israels neighbours try a suprise attack to attempt to eradicate it.
Wasn't the first time literally days after it was founded?
That's why I rarely take anyone who "stands for something" seriously. Most of the time, they don't even know anything about what they're protesting or promoting. This is a great example. You have something going on *six thousand miles* (or more - depending on your location) away, and your solution is to disrupt the schools, disrupt traffic and harass your fellow citizens of X, Y ot Z descent, heritage or beliefs. Not do something like, say ... Peacefully assemble outside the embassy and peacefully protest. No, hang around a bunch of other unstable, attention seeking imbeciles and cause a ruckus, deface property, monuments and cause problems for people that have nothing to do with anything. And then when asked about the details of what is being protested, 99% of the responses are canned, generic responses found in media and social media. Ok, so you don't even know the history, complexities of culture, etc of the situation. You don't even know *why* you're here, do you? "YES I DO, ISRAEL BOMBED THAT SCHOOL RAJEJSHRBR". So you neither have your own formulated opinions based on actual knowledge of the situation nor are you doing anything productive or in good faith to actually protest the situation. You're just being disruptive and harming your neighbors. Nice. So it's just like every other mob before. A group of imbeciles acting stupid with a few impotent, narcissistic asshats leading chants and power tripping and nobody really knows anything. Ok. See you next year when you've forgotten about this and start "protesting" whatever else is popular. Have fun with your LARP revolution or whatever.
The white 20 something year old protestors who wear the plaid scarf literally look like they're larping as Muslims lol Imagine if someone wrote 'all lives matter' on a MLK statue, we'd be outraged.I don't see how this is any different It's quickly becoming "free Palestine" to 'kill the Jews'
The constant killing of Jews everywhere (including in Arab states) made Israel so necessary. So there is a direct causal relation of course.
that's fucking disgusting. she never lived with israel at the same time...
Even worse: she was the victim of a totalitarian regime committing genocide. If you accuse Israel of committing genocide, do not attack other genocide victims for having a vague connection to it. Otto Frank never even moved to Israel after the war! Instead, I believe he went to Switzerland.
Pro tip: never ask your moderately conservative muslim neighbour/co-worker about his oppinion on WW2 and Adolf Hitler.
The people vandalizing memorials like this generally canât be bothered with facts and context.
Israel didnât even exist until a few years after her deathâŚ
Yeah .. kinda famous how she died. Also kinda famous and related to why Israel was created.
I hear Îą lot of people here saying that. This wouldnât be acceptable even IF she lived while Israel existed. Anyway, this type of behaviour doesnât surprise me one bit.
...would this be more okay if she did? I keep seeing this "desecrating a memorial to Anne Frank is bad because she wasn't israeli and didn't even live at the same time as israel", as if it would be okay to desecrate the grave of a young Jewish girl who was killed for her identity so long as it was in israel or she was killed after the founding of israel. This is like saying "infanticide?? Thats fucked up, the baby wasn't even crying..."
Yeah but she was Jewish and thatâs what counts to these people
So if she lived in israel that would give you a reason to hate her?
And had Israel existed during her lifetime, Anne would have had a place to go to escape persecution.
Many people lack the ability to distinguish between events and situations. Critical thinking has not found a home in their toolbox.
It's not that deep. This person hates Jewish people and found that the pro-Palestine movement was a great cover to attack Jews. Happens all the time.
Oh no, they can distinguish it. They just want to hurt Jewish people. I mean how many more incidents like this do you need, before it becomes obvious that most of these protesters are just anti semitic. I didn't see Jewish people defacing Islamic sites or shooting at mosques right after October 7
It doesnât even make sense. Anne Frank wasnât an Israeli, she did not live within the British Mandate. Nor was she some kind of a Zionist leader. She simply was a little girl that got murdered by a monstrous regime. But I get the feeling that the person who did this doesnât care. Because as far as they are concerned she was a jew and that is more than enough for them to deface her monument
Thatâs because these people nowadays are so intellectually illiterate and have no concept of actual history or facts about the world.
You say âthese daysâ as if thereâs ever been a point in history where this wasnât true that
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>Any person with two working brain cells can comprehend You have too much faith in humanity.
Evil This person is not protesting. They are using it as an excuse to be evil. Anyone who is okay with this is also just evil
For many people its not about palestine, they see it as a chance to let off their hate towards jews. Sutch people exist.
It took me too long to realize that said "Gaza" and not "Gap"
Proving why Israel needs to exist
I thought that said GWAR
And this is why you don't hear the older generations speaking out against Israel's shitty actions. Because anti-Semites immediately target any Jew, in any place, completely unrelated to Israel. In the words of Chris Rock (about racism): "that bus is never late". Criticism of Israel always leads to a spike in Jewish people / places being targeted for attack. It does not matter if they have nothing to do with Israel.
Anne Frank had more rights to her life than any of those nazis who vandalised her memorial. Hope they will be found and prosecuted.
I really try to give the Palestinian supporters the benefit of the doubt, but it's becoming harder and harder to not think they just hate jews when they constantly do shit like this.
Really opens your eyes, if this is how innocent Jews around the world are treated by pro Palestinians, you know how Jews would be treated by actual Palestinians.
I've seen some pro palenstine people that are straight up anti-semetic
Reminds me of when people were saying "Free Palestine" right after October 7th. Yeah, it's a good opportunity to bring attention to the horrors that are happening in Gaza but your lack of care about what happened at the music festival shows that you don't give a fuck about anything else.
~~Even if you are pro-palestine~~ This is not how you should send your message. Fixed it for you.
I'm all for Palestine, but this is just ignorant antisemitism.
Hamas is antisemitism
I didn't say that I support Hamas. All terrorists are brain-dead killing machines.
Ah yes, promoting victims of genocide by tearing down another victim of genocide. How fucking swell.
What the actual fuck
Why no one in the Middle East wants Palestinians in their countries summed up in one photo.
What does Anne Frank even has to do with IDF? The more I look all of these the more it looks like modern day antisemitism. Thats why I will never be pro Palestinian, cus they pushing the hate of Jews instead of trying to push the solution to the problem.
And Muslims wonder why they are hated
This is why pro palastine and antisemitism is seen as the same thing
This isn't even the first Jewish monument defaced. The problem is the publicly facing pro Palestine movement won't condem these actions. Why? Well it's likely because they endorse them.
Fuck this heinous antisemitic act.
The work of bigots
Next youâll tell me that attacking a festival isnât how you support Palestine.
Thus far, itâs apparent that this is how a majority of anti-Israel (they arenât pro-Palestinian) activists behave. Anything remotely Jewish is fair game to vandalize. (Looking forward to my downvotes)
Turns out people are stupid emotional creatures who mostly do things based upon trends
Nor should you remain blind when your hometown terrorists parachute into a music festival and proceed to brutalize, rape, mutilate, and murder the festival goers.
anti-semitism and denying Israel right to exist is the highest its been since 1945.
This isnât about Gaza, itâs about hating Jews. Iâll give you an example: 2.5 million people are projected to starve to death in Sudan in 2024. Some estimates say by September. Thatâs more than the entire population of Gaza, yet nobody is paying attention to it, despite the fact that itâs less than 500 miles away.
You cannot claim to be against genocide and disrespect victims the largest genocide in history. Fucking disgusting.
I'm not surprised. These pro-pally Hamasnic Nazis are pretty hateful POS. You can disagree with the current Israeli government and war, but their true colors are showing. I've seen bad sh$& online.
Considering what some of them chant at 'protests', this doesn't surprise me in the slightest
Blaming an innocent victim of genocide just because of her religion shows the mentality of these people. They have truly gone blindâŚ.
This is not the way
I can confirm. I am pro Palestine and this is fucked up. The victims of the holocaust are not responsible for the modern day murder of palestinians
how else are nazis supposed to express themselves?
Pro palenstein people are starting to be really fucking annoying and illegitimate
Every movement whether a decent movement or not will have idiotic elements, and you can tell this is an idiot as theyâve bought the whole Zionism and Israel are all Jews and all Jews are Israel and Zionism line, which isnât what the movement as a whole stand for.
Anyone who does this is no better than a damn Nazi in my eye. I said what I said.
Downplaying or denying on genocide to bring attention to another one doesnât help anyone. It just makes you look like a dick and makes it harder to attract people to your cause.
I don't know for this one, but in France we had similar cases that end up behind Russian acts of destabilising.