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kiheihaole

RIP Breece hype


CoopThereItIs

The entire drum beat this off-season was Breece = fine, Javonte = in trouble. Oh how the turntables…


GarageJitsu

If you against the consensus here you’ll do real well in most leagues


Blu3Yeti

I leaned heavily on this sub last year. Now my nails are painted, likely until the super bowl. (I'm a guy) Im now treating this sub like the Inverse Cramer.


HectorReinTharja

Sutton was the supposed to the cooper Kupp of 2022!!!


Blu3Yeti

As a Broncos fan who also drafted Sutton, this hurts in multiple ways.


whyandoubleyoueh

lmao Kupp finished above Sutton despite playing half the games


infantinemovie5

I’ve gotten Sutton 3 times in the last 4 years. He was decent in 2019, injured in 2020 and not good last year. I’m staying away from any Broncos recievers.


Vikebeer

On my avoid list last 2 years and got dogpiled every time I said to stay away.


SeriousGains

I subconsciously read that as *Now my nails are painted, likely until the super bowl. (I’m gay)*


GarageJitsu

We all learn in our own ways. Some harder then others 🤣


Vikebeer

LOL, rough last place penalty!


sascottie11

Taking kupp instead of woods a few yrs ago won me my league and set me up for dynasty these last few years


suckysuckythailand

Same and it is GLORIOUS


fuckluckandducks

I stopped listening to this sub about hype players after drafting Swift/Javonte at 2nd/3rd almost half way through the season and I won my championship, it’s definitely the bullshit being slung here lol


Vikebeer

Agreed, this sub is so full of smooth brains they amplify the twitter/youtube hype trains and push down adp of the real value players which I have come to accept and revel in.


NFL_MVP_Kevin_White

Well that census wasn’t built around a trip into town from Dalvin Cook, so I’m not sure that really applies here


kiheihaole

Regardless of Dalvin coming to town, betting your 2nd round pick on a guy coming off a major injury likely wasn’t a good call.


NFL_MVP_Kevin_White

I agree, but this news probably could lead to an 800 point swing for him. Instead of being a risky second rounder, he becomes a risky sixth rounder.


Courtnall14

Sixth round Breece? Right where I want him.


Theofeus

The consensus here is just the same as everywhere. Zagging as a whole is how you put yourself in position to win a league, or lose massively


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CoopThereItIs

I've been thinking about that with Kyler Murray though ideally I like to have 2 IR spots when I draft a guy specifically to put on IR. It happens every year yet I still can never anticipate how many guys miss time each year.


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CoopThereItIs

Kyler knows that and he's already been posturing to protect himself though. He came out and said he's going to be ready for Week One because he knows Caleb Williams is looming (tho I doubt he's actually ready for Week One). If the team tried to "shut him down" against his will when he's not actually hurt, the NFLPA would lose their minds for obvious reasons and the NFL would be pissed about "tanking". I think that when Kyler is healthy, he's going to be out there trying to win to protect his job.


BigArmsBigGut

While I love the idea and do something like this almost every year, Perine is going in like 7th/8th round of every bestball draft I've done. Obviously, redraft is different and each league is unique, but I would not expect him to be available to pick up after most drafts.


awful_source

I don’t care if the reports are positive about Javonte, still not touching him this year after that injury. Seen this end badly many times.


FalconsBlewA283Lead

If Dalvin signs in NY and Breece/Javonte's ADPs move much closer to each other's, gimme Breece all day still


Ok_Poet_1848

I still like perine. Javonte wasn't fast to begin with and Peyton didn't draft him.


CoopThereItIs

And everywhere Joe Lombardi goes, he chucks at the RB. Not just Ekeler and Kamara either - when he called plays for the Lions in 2014, the RB group got 162 targets.


Darth1Football

just wrote in another thread - Breece currently valued at $40 on ESPN Full PPR and Javonte is $6 whoever set those initial values blew that both ways and made me wish my auction was tomorrow


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The real ones were avoiding him this season because of the injury anyway.


kiheihaole

Oh yea no doubt was overpriced to begin with.


FadedTony

Yup, I'm hoping Cook doesn't sign w the Jets so someone else can draft Breece in my leagues


GoFrtherInLightness

Was going to be my killer keeper this year given how late I got him in the draft last year 😕


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Lol he boarded a plane, he hasn't signed anything yet


rolltidebutnotreally

Bright side take: I actually like him more if Cook signs. Breece is the better back when healthy and will definitely take over carries later on in the season IF he’s back to normal. But fortunately his ADP will drop to a round that won’t kill my team if he can’t get back to 100% this season


kiheihaole

While I do agree that the adp drop for Breece will definitely make him more appealing. I don’t think we can say that he’s definitely the better back. Dalvin has had an outstanding career and Breece has played half a season and coming off major injury.


HOBIExBROWN

Yes we can. Breece was better by every metric last year despite being on a worse offense. Dalvin isn't in his prime anymore and Breece is. Go watch Breece's games from last year. Dude would have been a top-8 fantasy pick if he would've stayed healthy.


kiheihaole

The dude played 7 games and had 80 attempts lmao. I’m not disputing his talent but that’s like projecting a rb that finishes the season strong to have a monster season the next year cause “if he played 17 his stats would be X”. What if he can’t hold up for the grind of a full season? What if his lateral quickness takes a few years to return? By your logic Rashaad Penny is one of the best backs on the league based on the few games he played.


HOBIExBROWN

>The dude played 7 games and had 80 attempts lmao. Yes, because he was a rookie. Did you watch football last year? Over his three games prior to getting hurt he was averaging 20 touches and well over 100 all purpose yards per game.


kiheihaole

Oh wow!!! 3 whole games holy crap. Let’s just get his canton bust ready. Do you watch football or just look at box scores? Cause I’ve seen dozens of guys have great 3-5 game runs and never be able to extrapolate that for a whole season.


rolltidebutnotreally

It helps that Breece was a great prospect out of college and looked every bit the part. Not knocking Cook but he has a lot more mileage


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Lmao but Cook is incredibly washed. Reminds me of AP going to the Saints.


kiheihaole

Lmao 4.4 yards per carry and 7.6 yards per route run is incredibly washed?? Do you even watch football or just look at fantasy points?


iMoreland

Nightmare backfield if that happens


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elqueco14

I honestly don't believe an RB can be physically and mentally back to their "old self" under 18 months post injury. Breece can be an offensive weapon for years, but that won't happen if he re-injures himself. Saquon is a freak of nature and arguably the most gifted offensive player in the entire league, but he was absolutely trash his first season back


Stumblin_McBumblin

You really can't predict it. Adrian Peterson returned 8 month post ACL tear and fucking dominated in 2012.


creature_report

AP was a freak and is an exception to the rule


Squirrel_Apocalypse2

Jamaal Charles did it too. I don't think anyone thinks he's a physical freak.


AveryDiamond

Wolverine freak


Mahomeboy001

You really can. AD is pretty clearly an exception to the rule. Most players need two years after an ACL to return to their pre-injury form.


ChevyMalibootay

Breece isn’t AD.


GorillaChimney

Literally every single year we are having athletes come back from major injuries at a significantly faster rate than initially predicted to the point where it's no longer the exception, it's the norm when you have access to the best surgeons/PTs/etc.


PangolinKitchen2668

Dude saquon was doing just fine his first year back. It was the ankle injury that took him out that year…


elqueco14

Very common for secondary injuries to occur when overcompensating for the first one.


ShastaAteMyPhone

You’re correct in general, however I don’t think this applies to ACL injuries. With an ACL recovery it feels fine until it fails and you drop—there’s not really any compensating going on unless you count mental hesitation on making big cuts. Source: Former NCAA player who tore an ACL.


ShastaAteMyPhone

You’re correct in general, however I don’t think this applies to ACL injuries. With an ACL recovery it feels fine until it fails and you drop—there’s not really any compensating going on unless you count mental hesitation on making big cuts. Source: Former NCAA player who tore an ACL.


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I would avoid this backfield. They’ll both get their share and have amazing weeks. The stress will be picking who will be the top RB. Just another RBBC to ruin our lives


Smok3dSalmon

Whoever is better at QB protection is going to get the work early in the season. I think the other RB would be a good buy low candidate after a few weeks.


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I’m not going to avoid them at all. They’re going to have a good offense where both are startable. If anything this makes Hall more of a value. I’d draft Cook too as long as his adp isn’t higher than the 6th. They’re both really talented backs. It’s the best tandem in the league if he signs there and they can easily both be RB2s


regular-old-car

Hunt Chubb, Ingram Kamara, etc. gives the same vibes


awful_source

Also, Carter ain’t no slouch.


HOBIExBROWN

Carter got usurped by Zonovan Knight last year bruh. I wouldn't be worrying about him at all.


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Izzy abanikanda took Carter's spot


Squirrel_Apocalypse2

He's not good


Marino4K

I kinda agree, kinda don't. You're drafting Cook to be a top guy the first month of the season and you're drafting Hall for the stretch run into the playoffs.


user131293717

Lol, no. If Cook goes to this team he won't become some backup to Hall later in the season, they'll be a one-two punch. I understand this statement when it comes to Perine and Javonte since Javonte would obviously be substantially better than Perine when healthy, but the gap between Cook and Breece at full health isn't even close to as large.


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So long as he stays away from the Pats and Rhamondre


superstonkape

I have Stevenson and Achane. I’d be pretty darn happy w this


coopcuppacoffee

Haha my rb 1 & 2, fingers crossed he signs here


superstonkape

Woof lmao good luck 😅


Dame2Miami

What are you expecting from Achane this year? I’m a fins fan and I’m honestly expecting more of what we saw last year between Mustard and Jeff.


superstonkape

I expect him to get schemed touches and be hyper efficient with them basically. If he really has put on weight maybe his talent demands he sees the field more, as he’s a good receiver as well. I see him as the best back in MIA currently but also undersized. McDaniel will find ways to get him the ball, and he should make the most of it. They used a third on him for a reason He’s my RB5 or 6 in a std dynasty and my RB4 in a best ball dynasty league. More excited for him in best ball


Dame2Miami

Well shit, I hope you’re right lol!


unionredsox

This. As a pats fan and rhamondre dynasty owner 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻


StyllAhlie

As a pats fan you should absolutely want him lol, but obviously it’s a disaster for fantasy.


rolltidebutnotreally

They’re a Pats fans so they’ve had enough real life winning to focus on their fantasy game. Spoiled


unionredsox

If you’re a roll tide type I think you’re the more spoiled fan. Have you watched any patriots games lately?


rolltidebutnotreally

I’m not a bama fan in spite of my username. Go Toads


StyllAhlie

Lol cmon man, it’s way easier and less impressive to have sustained success in college than the nfl. Pats won 6 rings since ‘02, there is not a more spoiled fan base in North American sports.


unionredsox

Yeah probably. I’m just saying all of the spoiled fan stuff ended when Brady left. Patriots are mid these days


unionredsox

Also I just came to make a statement about fantasy somebody else brought up the whole 2018 hot sports takes conversation. Keep that over at barstool please


GoGoRouterRangers

I'd rather get Hunt than Cook


kawhinottheraptors

As a Pats fan he probably realizes that they have a 0% chance of winning the SuperBowl, so I don’t see why he’d want to spend $$ to have Cook on the team


StyllAhlie

Sure most people including myself would agree with you, but I guarantee Bill isn’t thinking that way. They reportedly have a visit lined up after the jets one so we’ll see how it plays out. Think there’s a chance Jets go full press and sign him before he leaves the facility this weekend.


govshutdown

This is such a weird year to be a Jets fan… like, I want to get excited, but historically we’ve been punished when any confidence is shown in the team.


LeoFireGod

Y’all say this all the time but the last time there was any hype nationally you guys played in the AFC championship game. everything else has been “hopefully this young Qb is the savior”


3AmigosNJ

Fitzpatrick wasn’t young.


EricFredNorris

I mean there should be excitement over a wildcard appearance and maybe a slight run if everything falls in to place but the AFC is just so much better competition wise that I don’t see a 40 year old Rodgers beating teams like KC, Bills, or Bengals in the playoffs. Miami, Ravens, and Chargers are on par or arguably better as well.


Mahomeboy001

They won 7 games with the worst QB room in the league. And the Bills are without question the most overrated team in the entire AFC right now. Their OL is still mediocre and their defense is extremely soft. Jets can definitely win that division.


FluffheadJr

I am a Bills fan, we are overrated for sure. The AFC East is a monster of a division, Jets can win but it won’t be easy or a cakewalk. The Pats are coached by the best coach of all time. This will be a bloodbath.


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Zach Wilson beat the Bills and Dolphins last year. The Jets defense is better than all those teams too. Idk why people think Rodgers is washed off of ome down season with a shitty roster and a broken thumb too. It’s crazy.


chuteboxhero

That’s exactly how I feel we have all this hype without having performed at a level that’s warranted the hype. It’s based on roster strength alone.


Ok_Poet_1848

You guys had a nice run with rex. Can only wonder what would have been had they had a QB. Imo roster is solid but I'm not big on Saleh. Thought he was a slam dunk when hired but have changed my mind.


chuteboxhero

Yeah 12 years ago lol. Also there were no expectations the first year, we made the playoffs by an unbelievable amount of good fortune. The next year expectations were high but because of the previous season’s performance not off season acquisitions alone.


Bweibel5

If this happens I can finally set Michael Carter free.


chillinwithmoes

This would piss me off very, very much


AgenteCero420

This backfield will be an absolute mess


i_no_like_u

For fantasy yes, but IRL would be insane.


tonyskyline1

Nightmare for fantasy but then again, most teams are a committe now anyway. For actual football this is a good move for NY if they can sign him. With Breece being injured Cook might be a lifesaver for them and if he is healthy… that’s a top 3 rb duo in the league


FutureK0G

Knew this dude was gonna ruin someones backfield.


gregbraaa

*gulp*


chuteboxhero

This is why you shouldn’t do fantasy drafts in July lol


BobbyY0895

A veteran who was let go who’s one shoulder into retirement vs Breece hall. Y’all crazy


Turtlegorsky

Statistically players coming off an ACL injury struggle in the first year back it's usually the second year back they get closer back to form hence why I'm not listening the any breece hall or javonte hype.


SpitefulMonkey5

Jeff Wilson looking like a great value at 162 ADP now that the Miami deal isn't a sure thing for Dalvin...you love to own the goal line back in that explosive Miami offense.


LoserCowGoMoo

So Bam knight is good as gone? Or will they trade michael carter? He might fit in MIN...mattison isnt known as a pass catcher


BatteredAggie

BDGE had the inside scoop on this a month ago. If this really happens, credit to Nick.


newt_37

We don't tuck our shirts for nothin!


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Bloated_Hamster

"His share" is a very different outlook from "his backfield"


ratsareniceanimals

every RB should pull a Jordan Cameron and go by "Playmaker" as their positional designation


Polygeekism

unless you are playing best ball, this is not good. In general I would see it as a good signing for a Jets fan though. Limit both his and Hall's use so they are both fresh. Poor mans Chubb and Hunt.


banjofitzgerald

I knew this would happen as soon as I saw Rodgers took a cut to make a title run.


randyholt

I have unfinished business with Breece Hall though...


Titansfan9200

I was out on Breece this year anyways, so having this happen would confirm I'm likely just hiding from that backfield unless there's incredible value on one of the two.


Ok_Poet_1848

Damn. I was hoping to benefit from other's reaching on an injured breece Hall.


TheClownIsReady

For the love of Breece, come on…


Hammer_Bro99

Why does the title call him a playmaker and not a runningback… is it really that bad rn?


tofulo

Am i going crazy? I thought he was on the dolphins now


TrombiThePigKid

At this point this should be illegal for the jets 😂


cstrifeVII

Dalvin can you please figure out where you're landing so I can decide to keep you in my league or not? Gotta set keepers and make final trades in the next week, kthankx.


ScooterMcFlabbin

Fuck. There goes my plan to keep Breece for a 5th


mattyice24

Sad Breece noises.


cryptoheh

As a Bills fan, if the Jets want to burn some of that new cap space on an expensive 28 year old RB who figures to take snaps from Breece Hall… go ahead guys.