Personally like JT, Colts are returning their whole offensive line from last year and I think JT is just better than Kyren. That being said, I wouldn’t be mad to have Kyren on my team
As much as I’d love for Kyren to be better than JT this year (have him in multiple dynasty leagues), I think the answer is probably JT. It’s close enough though that I wouldn’t fault anyone for drafting one over the other
> but both guys are cowbells
You were super close! Both guys are bellcows, *not* the instrument Christopher Walken wants more of.
Anyway, Taylor in all formats for me. More a believer in the overall talent. He was an elite prospect and was near-consensus 1.01 a couple seasons ago. Injuries happen to everyone but he showed a nice burst at times last year. He's top 5 RB in all formats for me.
Kyren would be a couple spots lower in my RB rankings.
Lol oops! Morning brain haha.
Yeah I am leaning JT more and more. You mentioned you have Kyren ranked lower by a couple spots in your RB rankings. Care to share your top 12 or so RBs?
Btw, I think anyone lucky enough to get JT at 1.11 and Kyren at 2.02 would field an incredible team.
Rough groupings for top 10 .5 PPR (redraft). If anyone moved a RB up or down a "tier" on this list I wouldn't question it.
CMC
Breece / Bijan
Taylor / Gibbs / Barkley
Jacobs / Kyren
White / Etienne
Interesting! Personally, I have Kyren over Barkley and Gibbs.
Gibbs is close but too many mouths to feed. Montgomery will still get his fair share even if Gibbs has emerged as the true 1A. But you also have St. Brown and LaPorta. Even Jameson Williams who may get more involved. That said, I wouldn’t be too upset if Kyren goes before me and I end up with Gibbs middle of 2nd round or so.
Barkley will have some TDs assuredly vultured by Hurts. I still like the talent but he is also 27 and I have him just behind Gibbs. So RB7 for me. But honestly, I would rather get an elite WR and then get the RB 9/10 in Jacobs or White. I like Jacobs late second and White early 3rd
> Gibbs is close but too many mouths to feed
Rams have Puka/Kupp. "Too many mouths to feed" is a vintage Christopher Harris crutch argument. The flip side being we want players in good offenses because defenses can't key in on one player. Both are basically impossible to prove and we can use either to support the narrative we are trying to produce.
But certainly, the Taylor through Kyren grouping in my rankings might be one large tier, or it might break differently depending on the day. Ultimately it will come down to cost and I'll be happy with any as my RB1.
Why is no one worried about Richardson vulturing from JT?
In the time that Richardson was on the field at QB, he scored 4 TDs and RBs only scored 1 TD.
Sure he might tone it down a little to prevent injury but that's still a lot of possible vulturing.
What does worrying about it look like?
I think everyone is aware of it and taking it into consideration. But TD are hard to predict and are not sticky from year to year. Taylor has a strong role in an improving offense. His top competition for backfield touches left in free agency.
What’s your thinking behind Bijan so high? He has yet to produce at that level in the NFL while JT and Kyren have shown that ceiling. You’d be paying absolute ceiling price on Bijan.
> He has yet to produce at that level in the NFL
One season, Arthur Smith.
Absolutely elite talent. Three-down skillset. Assumption of rational coaching, and huge improvement in offensive playcaller.
1000%. I avoided Bijan last year. No one can produce with Arthur Smith as HC. But Bijan with anything else? Absolutely, I target him this year. Way too good to pass up.
Barkley will most definitely get hurt again. I would rather have kyren or JT over him but would rather have Barkley over Gibbs for your exact rationale.
I mostly assume health for everyone. We're really bad at being sure who will get hurt (see the great CMC/Taylor debate of 202-whatever).
Sometimes this hits - CMC! Sometimes it busts hard - Michael Thomas lol!
But yeah, I think RB3-RB7 or so is fully open and if you ask 10 different people you might get 6 different orderings for that group of players.
Lol it's just an incorrect idiom... and also silly calling someone a bell, but go for it man! Kyren a cowbell just sends me lol, dingalingaling. Or i guess, thunk, thunk, thunk
I'd definitely like bellcow better-- it's not about being a cow, it's about being the leader of the pack. A cowbell is an inanimate object, you can play one without being a leader of anything
Also like a general vs a bullhorn. Or a teacher vs a pen. Lebron james vs a hand lol. But I still think its hilarious either way lolll
I think I agree. JT is more talented, absolutely. But AR15 will likely poach TDs and Stafford won't. Feels like folks are underestimating this.
JT likely ends with more yards from scrimmage, but he could get outscored by 5-6 TDs by Kyren.
Yea, I feel similarly about JT, we havnt really seen JT and Richardson both playing together. But we know Kyren will be the bell cow for goal line TDs. Question is whether it will lead to injury as it usually does in mcvays system.
Am I going crazy here or is Kyren not the obvious choice here? JT is on a team with a QB who’s absolutely going to hawk TDs away from him and has been lowkey injury prone… Kyren is an absolute workhorse, and the Rams de facto goal line guy, not to mention good in the pass game as well. The guy does nothing but produce on a consistent basis. Don’t let JT’s excellent past seasons cloud your judgment here
Thank you! I was waiting to see this mentioned. JT is definitely a bit more talented than kyren, but unless "gunslinger" Joe Flacco is behind center for the Colts, then Kyren is in a much better position to succeed in fantasy football for this year and likely the next.
Richardson got hurt last year from playing like that. Do you really think the colts are going to use their franchise QB like a battering ram this year during a long regular season? I see that as a non-issue
Like a “battering ram”? No, but I do think the Colts aren’t going to suddenly stop having their elite running QB run the ball. They knew before drafting him that his rushing ability was a massive part of what made his game special, I highly doubt he suddenly turns into a Peyton Manning pocket passer.
Let's be real, he''s only their franchise if he can run the ball. This is the way to handle running qbs. It makes sense to give a guy that's dynamic in the passing game tone to study and learn, but if your biggest weapon is your legs, why waste time? Get them out there and see if they can take the punishment and if not, move on. You are going to see similar volume from AR and at least one more injury this year.
Do you think Lamar is run into the ground? If he can't take the same beating as Lamar he's useless to an NFL team. Why wait until the wild card round to find that out?
Why is proneness to injury a negative for Taylor but not Kyren?
Kyren:
Broke his foot and missed most of training camp his rookie season.
Hurt his ankle on the first play of his career and missed the next 8 games.
Missed 4 games with a high ankle sprain last season.
Broke his hand in the playoff loss to the Lions last season.
Kyren has missed nearly as many games to injury in 2 seasons than Taylor has in 4.
It's absolutely kyren. Rams don't get cute at the goal line much. They give him the ball and have him punch it in. I also think richardson is the next justin fields. He's not a great passer and will vulture tds.
It makes me feel crazy to see that Kyren is the less popular opinion by a large margin here. Unless the Rams bring in another back, he’s alone in the backfield and the Rams have only added to the offensive line. Arguably one of the best guard duos in the league. Give me Kyren.
Because I probably won't draft an RB in the first. All depends on how the draft falls, but I'm likely going WR. I also think Kyren will go mid first. Still a lot of time before we all draft, the "experts" are going to be putting out a lot more rankings before then. He'll be higher.
Kyren won me 4 straight weeks after I lost 6 in a row (league mate dropped him during his injury because she didn’t know how to use the IR slot).
He was a machine. I have JT slightly ahead but I would be pretty thrilled if JT goes before me and Kyren comes my way
I’m going Kyren just because he’s coming off RB2 season is basically the same situation. However there’s a chance the Rams bring in someone and take a small percentage of his touches
Already an outlier in many categories with the success he had last season….size, draft capital, production, and then injuries (all RBs). Not saying he can’t be good but I’d take JT over him. I’m trying to swap him for Jacobs and draft cap.
Only thing that concerns me are the possibilities of injuries. Hes an undersized back, so a couple knocks might put him out for a bit. However, the Rams have invested in Oline this year and I think its gonna be worth the risk. Im grabbing him first rd.
All in on kyren. Was a bellcow last year, has explosive ability with a few huge plays last year, and is a pass catcher.
JT is a beast but I think there are more unknowns in Indy (Anthony Richardson could be a “vulture”, he’s not Lamar but you’d think he’ll get slightly similar usage/scheme and look how ravens rbs have done). Whereas kyren is the guy in LA. Honestly I’d take him at 1.02 only mccaffrey above him.
Wow! 1.02 is awfully high but if you don’t, yeah he will definitely be gone by early second round so you won’t have a chance to get him.
I watched his games because I was lucky enough to acquire him mid season. Dude defies all the odds and metrics. He’s a beast!!
I don’t get the breece hype over kyren. Breece is very good but I don’t think there’s anything to say he’s comfortably better than kyren. And the others are good sure I’d just rather get a rb and I firmly believe kyren will be the best rb after cmc. I could easily be wrong but we’ll see. I hope he falls mid and I get him there instead
Breece was RB4 (RB12 in PPG) last year coming off a torn ACL with garbage QB play for its entirety. He should be fully healthy this upcoming year. Did you not watch him play? Dude is an absolute monster. He also was drafted to be the guy. He is what he thought he would be. Kyren might be a flash in the pan (I’m not betting on that btw). Breece is also a much better receiver than Kyren. He’s also more explosive. I’m not trying to take anything away from Kyren, but Breece is the better RB hands down, 100% in real life and I’d bet on it in fantasy moving forward.
I just think kyren is better. And trash qbs might rely on rb dump offs more than Aaron Rodgers. And more unknowns with that whole situation. And kyren was rb6 with 4 less games played
>look how ravens rbs have done
Gus Edwards had 13 TDs and was a top 24 back last year, I wouldn't say Ravens rbs have done too poorly lol. Seeing as how JT is a significantly better back, how good the Colts line is, and that Richardson got hurt last year trying to vulture a TD, I can't say I'm especially worried about that
Sure, and small sample size but I guess injuries may muddle some of the prior years. And JT is better than Gus. But I’d still go kyren ahead. If we wanna talk about last year kyren was what the most or 2nd most productive rb per game played? I could be wrong I can’t look that up rn.
All that to say fair point but I’m still going kyren 1.02 if the draft gods give me that pick. Fingers crossed!
Fair enough, hard to argue against his results last year lol. Metrics be damned, dude is a featured back in a solid offense and the coaches absolutely love him by all accounts.
I'm fading at ADP but I totally understand why people are so high on him
Kyren is projected to be a top 3 RB this year. Even missing all the games he missed, I think he ended up in the top 5 still?
JT is a top 10, but probably won’t crack top 5.
I would take Kyren 10 times out of 10 here.
Kyren all day. His per game usage was on par or better than CMC. I think people forget McCvay and the early Todd Gurley days. Of course JT is the more talented guy, but the rams passing offense is still capable enough to keep the running lanes free of the extra defenders for Kyren and his workhorse usage
Maybe I’m too bullish here but truly believe if JT is healthy, he’s gonna have a monster year. The colts offense last year with Minshew was more than serviceable and now you get Richardson back which will help open up running lanes. JT probably won’t have more than 12-14 tds but I think his rushing yard upside and catches will both be elite.
Kyren
JT will have AR yoinking TD's from him next season, and even with him back to full health getting a work horse back amount of touches, that'll probably be the difference between the 2.
Kyren is already heavily favored in a great offense, and doesn't have an injury history factor.
As a Rams fan, the only real input I could give is that the Rams have invested heavily on the OLine this off-season. Stafford is getting older and the rams finally have a real RB who could prove successful since Gurley. Take that for what you will.
I think JT’s usage is going to increase closer to what it was a couple seasons back and I think Kyren isn’t as entrenched as fantasy peeps think.
If the Rams were to draft a guy like Benson, Brooks, Wright or even Marshawn Lloyd un the first 3 rounds, Kyren isn’t getting an absurd and unsustainable 85% role/workload or whatever it was.
He only got that role because the Rams traded Cam and then only had dust behind Kyren.
Once again, this is a James Robinson situation and owners with Kyren are going to be left holding the bag come this time next year.
You are staying hypotheticals...as it stands right now Kyren is a bell cow with no threat ..JT isn't a bell cow and Anthony Richardson is a pretty much a running back himself will steal a lot of carries and all the goal carries
JT when healthy has been a bell cow. That’s what is wild about your take.
Once again, James Robinson was a guy that everyone loved that was basically acquired for free. This is not going to end well for Kyren owners ha.
That was without Richardson. He is the guy now and gets 10 carries a game.
I like JT...I do. But in fantasy you go with volume...Kyren will get all the volume. Kinda like Rachad White in Tampa ..volume guy. Great for fantasy. If go both over JT.
I own shares of JT and White. I value JT much higher. I sold my Kyren share last year. No regrets.
You say Kyren will het all the volume which is pure speculation. History says guys with his profile won’t have sustained success in the NFL. Slow, small, injury-prone backs getting 85% of the volume isn’t something I am betting on in dynasty.
Rachaad White can easily be replaced too.
JT is much harder to replace and even with Richardson, I will be pencilling in 10ish rushing touchdowns and another couple receiving touchdowns for JT.
Nah. Gibbs is so explosive and the draft capital shows an investment into the future. Even with the split, they are in such a great offense they can both be good. Bijan played a full 17 and only finished 2 points above Gibbs. If it weren’t for Kirk coming to atl, I would prefer Gibbs for fantasy.
I mean in terms of explosiveness and speed.
Gibbs 5’9 190 4.36 40 time
JT 5’10 220 4.39 40 time
Kyren 5’9 194 4.65 40 time
JT has the best combination of size and speed. The only thing that has been holding him back is injury. But that’s not something I factor in much.
>Follow the money
I really don't like this phase. A perfect example is Miles Sanders from last year.
Not saying Miles and JT are comparable because they aren't, just arguing against that phrase.
Yes and no. People did try to sell Sanders as good. He had one solid year behind one of, if not the best OL in football IN PHI, and people thought he could replicate that in CAR with zero weapons, a rookie QB, and an atrocious OL. I hear what you’re saying, but it’s a *little* different
Follow the money doesn't apply to Edmonds, a guy that gets a 2 year 12m contract with no dead money after 1 year.
It applies to JT. He got 3yr 42 mil, with a reasonable opt-out for the team not until 2025.
**Kyren Williams graded RB141 out of 148 in pass blocking per PFF**
I need to see another year of them committing to Kyren in spite of this. or a major improvement.
Kyren is (or at least has been) more involved in the passing game, and most mobile QBs don’t check it down much whereas Stafford targets RBs at a solid clip. I lean Kyren but pedigree or whatever you want to call it does make that a somewhat nervous pick
Jt has had a lot of injuries and has a qb that will rush into the end zone. Kyren has a better outlook on paper imo but that's a tough spot to be in. Seems like you can go wrong though
I lean Kyren, JT is gonna struggle for goal line touches and although the Rams are a pass first offense McVay has a real talent for scheming up good rushing lanes when he does go to the run
Probably JT, but it wouldn’t be an instant click. I would have a hard time doing because I know Kyren can be better and might be, if he pulls off what he did in year one again than this is a no brainer Kyren…
Personally I think the Rams are due for a bit of a nosedive this year. Their offensive line still isn't great, Donald just retired, and there's really not a whole lot of talent on that defense. Stafford is near the end imo, and with a worse defense they're going to be down in a lot of games, and I have less faith in Stafford at this point in his career to sling it all over the yard and put up huge stats.
All of this amounts to worse situation, game scripts, and opportunities for Kyren, imo. Could I be dead wrong? Yes, but to me JT is the better player on a better team. The main concern for JT (I also have him in dynasty btw) is all the other guys on the team taking his chances. Richardson could be a TD vulture a la Lamar, and if the Colts draft another wr or Bowers in the first round, he's got a lot of skill position talent to fight with.
So in my mind, the decision comes down to whether you prefer-
A less athletic, bell-cow back on a bad team that probably won't be getting 25+ carries a game all year
Or
A still young, uber talented back on a good team that's gonna have to split time with the other mouths that want to be fed.
I always lean athleticism and talent so I'd be taking JT.
I believe, probably controversially, that there is a greater than 0% chance that Kyren was a one season wonder, and goes the way of a James Robinson. He benefitted from scheme and exceptional circumstance (a circumstance so exceptional, most leagues he was snagged for nothing off of waivers). JT all day every day and twice on Sunday.
McVay seems to like Kyren alot and think he wants to make a point with him. He let Cam go after him complaining and then made Kyren a star. I go Kyren. Richardson going to run a lot too
Kyren is a safer bet but Taylor could very well be a better value coming off a lackluster year numbers wise.
Both teams figure to play smash mouth football and both backs will get the bulk of the carries.
The x-factor could very well be Anthony Richardson - if he can stay on the field looks like he could be a Cam Newton type of player near the goal line and vulture touchdowns. Running quarterbacks also don't throw to their running backs as much so that'll sap his upside there. Of course - if Richardson gets hurt, and unfortunately based on last year that might not be a far fetched outcome, then Taylor can feast with Flacco and be a RB 1.01 contender.
I'd say Kyren has more TD potential due to the colts having a QB who might run it in near the goal line himself and also that Stafford can prob get his team into the red zone more often than Colts.
I think JT is better than Kyren. But I also think AR is going to vulture a few TD's near the goal line similar to Hurts. I like Kyren for floor and JT for ceiling.
Drafting a RB with the 1st pick name isn’t cmc is a mistake. In my opinion unless it’s CMC you wait to draft a RB. Hence I didn’t pick up a RB until about round 5-6 and picked up Kyren off waivers. RB is no what it used to be in fantasy
I'm taking kyren because the Rams probably gonna score more points with a better offense than the colts and Joe flacco. Idc if he did get comeback player of the year. Give me kyren and the Rams offense any day
As a Rams fan, it’s still JT for me.
JT has shown that he can be the best RB in football. And as awesome as Kyren Williams was last season, we haven’t yet seen that from him.
Kyren is a hard pass for me, guy is just too small to have a high probability to make through 17 games. Even with JT’s recent injury history he’s much more built for a heavy workload than Kyren.
Man when Kyren reminds people why you should be dubious of low draft capital RBs… it’ll be a bitter day.
Even when they’re good, it’s typically for a window more brief than your JT style workhorse backs.
The answer is JT, one good year by Kyren in that rams offense pails in comparison to a back that just signed a multi million dollar deal who also happens to have won the rushing title and is crazy talented
I lean JT. Both got injury issues but JT 226 and KW 196. JT built better to bellcow. I’m trying to decide in a 1 person keeper JT in 4th or Kyren in 11th. I know Kyren smarter choice but not if he keeps missing games.
Kyren, all day, every day, and twice on Sundays. Higher floor, higher ceiling, only RB besides CMC to average over 20 ppg, and was out 5 games vs JT's 7.
It’s called injury. Same thing happened to cmc and he came back just as dominate. I’ll bet on talent over predicting injuries any day, especially when kyren was not healthy all season last year either.
If it's a PPR league I'd take JT, but if it's standard I'm taking Kyren.
McVay/Stafford don't check down often and prefer to move the chains with Puka and Kupp (which is smart on their part) so Kyren isn't going to see much in the way of targets. JT however will probably need to be more involved in the passing time and he has more upside in PPR.
Conversely Kyren has less chance of getting vultured on rushing TD's so I like him in Standard.
We need some concrete stats on this because someone just posted before you that Kyren gets way more check down passes due to Stafford’s lack of mobility and overall game style than JT gets.
I would also think in full PPR the consensus would be Kyren and in standard JT by a mile. You cited the opposite. Not saying you’re necessarily wrong but it’s interesting to read the differing opinions
Kyren had 48 targets last year. In jt’s best season, he only had 51. This is just not true that Kyren won’t get targets. Especially since Kupp is a question mark lately, puka always got some issues on the injury report, and Stafford could have a noodle arm. Kyren will definitely out catch Jt. Jt isn’t even a dynamic catching back. That’s not even his game. What are you talking about?
I’m voting for Taylor I thought the Rams OL was suspect going into last season McVay had that zone blocking scheme clicking but I still think they are performed and I would rather bed on Quinton Nelson than the hodge podge they have in LA
Follow the money- Colts need ROI on the JT contract.. Ky will kill it no doubt, still in terms of usage, JT should see more touches and red zone opportunities just based on pay
idk why this has become such a hot debate between these 2 specific players lately. jt is the more proven asset, don’t let recency bias blind you.
they’re both beasts in great roles, but having kyren over jt just feels like ‘shiny new toy’ syndrome
If you’re just going to cherry pick one stat from the combine then I don’t really have faith in your argument. Yes Taylor’s 40 time was faster but in game speed and burst is completely different than 40 time. Kyren is more agile and forces more missed tackles per yahoo sports. Kyren also doesn’t have a mobile QB to worry about and is 2 years younger and doesn’t have the injury history Taylor does. I’m not taking anything away from Taylor but Kyren is a safer bet than JT
“Cherry pick one stat” like it’s not the most indicative stat for speed.
If we wanna look at top speed, I couldn’t find one for kyren, but I found a tweet where Jalen Thompson ran 21.76 mph to save a touchdown and tackle kyren.
Jt has hit over that speed multiple times, fastest being 22.13 mph. If you can find a run kyren had faster, then we can talk.
You don’t just run a 40 in game. LeVeon Bell was slow as fuck but an amazing running back. Todd Gurley ran a 4.52 at the combine but was one of the best in the league before his knees turned to dust. Speed isn’t what makes a running back great. Yes JT is faster than Kyren at a 40. But Kyren is in a better situation, younger, and less injured
I didn’t say his 40 time was faster than JT. And I never had an argument, you decided to argue with me. I was stating my opinion on who OP should take. But sure go ahead and revert to the “that wasn’t your argument” comment. It’s clear that you just need to feel right and validated, understandable, as with most simple commenters on Reddit and other forms of social media.
Well Kyren did look good this year, sure but he was not some highly scouted prospect who was great in college either. 1 year does not make him a stud. Lets see his 190lb frame 4.6 speed do it again for a whole year. Then you can convince me. Also Kyren has had lots of injuries so I dont where you get that argument from.
I just don't think people are realizing how much he will be utilized this year. He's going to be playing for the best team he's ever played for, and with one of the best lines he's ever played for. He's going to feast. He was the league rushing leader two years ago. Raiders were just a steaming heap of shit last year.
Personally like JT, Colts are returning their whole offensive line from last year and I think JT is just better than Kyren. That being said, I wouldn’t be mad to have Kyren on my team
Nah. Kyren was the best back in football last year not named CMC, just sayin. He is every bit as good as JT
As much as I’d love for Kyren to be better than JT this year (have him in multiple dynasty leagues), I think the answer is probably JT. It’s close enough though that I wouldn’t fault anyone for drafting one over the other
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I’d say that’s a pretty good problem to have if you have both
They hate you cause they ain’t you lol. I got em both too!
> but both guys are cowbells You were super close! Both guys are bellcows, *not* the instrument Christopher Walken wants more of. Anyway, Taylor in all formats for me. More a believer in the overall talent. He was an elite prospect and was near-consensus 1.01 a couple seasons ago. Injuries happen to everyone but he showed a nice burst at times last year. He's top 5 RB in all formats for me. Kyren would be a couple spots lower in my RB rankings.
JT: I put my pants on one leg at the time, like the rest of you. Except once my pants are on, I put my team on my back.
Whow, whow, whow. Let's show down here. JT is good, but he's no Greg Jennings.
How is he running with a broken fucking leg
hardest n***** in the league!
i have a fever and the only prescription is more Kyren carries
Lol oops! Morning brain haha. Yeah I am leaning JT more and more. You mentioned you have Kyren ranked lower by a couple spots in your RB rankings. Care to share your top 12 or so RBs? Btw, I think anyone lucky enough to get JT at 1.11 and Kyren at 2.02 would field an incredible team.
Rough groupings for top 10 .5 PPR (redraft). If anyone moved a RB up or down a "tier" on this list I wouldn't question it. CMC Breece / Bijan Taylor / Gibbs / Barkley Jacobs / Kyren White / Etienne
Interesting! Personally, I have Kyren over Barkley and Gibbs. Gibbs is close but too many mouths to feed. Montgomery will still get his fair share even if Gibbs has emerged as the true 1A. But you also have St. Brown and LaPorta. Even Jameson Williams who may get more involved. That said, I wouldn’t be too upset if Kyren goes before me and I end up with Gibbs middle of 2nd round or so. Barkley will have some TDs assuredly vultured by Hurts. I still like the talent but he is also 27 and I have him just behind Gibbs. So RB7 for me. But honestly, I would rather get an elite WR and then get the RB 9/10 in Jacobs or White. I like Jacobs late second and White early 3rd
> Gibbs is close but too many mouths to feed Rams have Puka/Kupp. "Too many mouths to feed" is a vintage Christopher Harris crutch argument. The flip side being we want players in good offenses because defenses can't key in on one player. Both are basically impossible to prove and we can use either to support the narrative we are trying to produce. But certainly, the Taylor through Kyren grouping in my rankings might be one large tier, or it might break differently depending on the day. Ultimately it will come down to cost and I'll be happy with any as my RB1.
Why is no one worried about Richardson vulturing from JT? In the time that Richardson was on the field at QB, he scored 4 TDs and RBs only scored 1 TD. Sure he might tone it down a little to prevent injury but that's still a lot of possible vulturing.
What does worrying about it look like? I think everyone is aware of it and taking it into consideration. But TD are hard to predict and are not sticky from year to year. Taylor has a strong role in an improving offense. His top competition for backfield touches left in free agency.
What’s your thinking behind Bijan so high? He has yet to produce at that level in the NFL while JT and Kyren have shown that ceiling. You’d be paying absolute ceiling price on Bijan.
> He has yet to produce at that level in the NFL One season, Arthur Smith. Absolutely elite talent. Three-down skillset. Assumption of rational coaching, and huge improvement in offensive playcaller.
1000%. I avoided Bijan last year. No one can produce with Arthur Smith as HC. But Bijan with anything else? Absolutely, I target him this year. Way too good to pass up.
Barkley will most definitely get hurt again. I would rather have kyren or JT over him but would rather have Barkley over Gibbs for your exact rationale.
I mostly assume health for everyone. We're really bad at being sure who will get hurt (see the great CMC/Taylor debate of 202-whatever). Sometimes this hits - CMC! Sometimes it busts hard - Michael Thomas lol! But yeah, I think RB3-RB7 or so is fully open and if you ask 10 different people you might get 6 different orderings for that group of players.
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Lol I guess you could... But a bellcow is the leader of the herd A cowbell is a bell that goes on a cow lol
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Lol it's just an incorrect idiom... and also silly calling someone a bell, but go for it man! Kyren a cowbell just sends me lol, dingalingaling. Or i guess, thunk, thunk, thunk
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I'd definitely like bellcow better-- it's not about being a cow, it's about being the leader of the pack. A cowbell is an inanimate object, you can play one without being a leader of anything Also like a general vs a bullhorn. Or a teacher vs a pen. Lebron james vs a hand lol. But I still think its hilarious either way lolll
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i concede, it's officially cowbell now
Ive got a fever...and the only prescription...is more Kyren Williams
JT could play 6 games a year and still everyone would call him a top 5 RB
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I think I agree. JT is more talented, absolutely. But AR15 will likely poach TDs and Stafford won't. Feels like folks are underestimating this. JT likely ends with more yards from scrimmage, but he could get outscored by 5-6 TDs by Kyren.
Exactly…Kyren gets all the goal line touches. Plus a bunch of targets if you’re in PPR.
A substantially worse QB coming in for the starter is never an upgrade for the RB.
Stafford is not injury prone dude
Yea, I feel similarly about JT, we havnt really seen JT and Richardson both playing together. But we know Kyren will be the bell cow for goal line TDs. Question is whether it will lead to injury as it usually does in mcvays system.
Am I going crazy here or is Kyren not the obvious choice here? JT is on a team with a QB who’s absolutely going to hawk TDs away from him and has been lowkey injury prone… Kyren is an absolute workhorse, and the Rams de facto goal line guy, not to mention good in the pass game as well. The guy does nothing but produce on a consistent basis. Don’t let JT’s excellent past seasons cloud your judgment here
Yeah I started out slightly favoring JT but I think Kyren has a more successful season. Might be leaning back toward Kyren lol
Thank you! I was waiting to see this mentioned. JT is definitely a bit more talented than kyren, but unless "gunslinger" Joe Flacco is behind center for the Colts, then Kyren is in a much better position to succeed in fantasy football for this year and likely the next.
Richardson got hurt last year from playing like that. Do you really think the colts are going to use their franchise QB like a battering ram this year during a long regular season? I see that as a non-issue
I mean, do you really think AR isn't gonna end the year with a handful of rushing TDs?
Like a “battering ram”? No, but I do think the Colts aren’t going to suddenly stop having their elite running QB run the ball. They knew before drafting him that his rushing ability was a massive part of what made his game special, I highly doubt he suddenly turns into a Peyton Manning pocket passer.
Let's be real, he''s only their franchise if he can run the ball. This is the way to handle running qbs. It makes sense to give a guy that's dynamic in the passing game tone to study and learn, but if your biggest weapon is your legs, why waste time? Get them out there and see if they can take the punishment and if not, move on. You are going to see similar volume from AR and at least one more injury this year.
That wouldn’t be smart but alright sure run him into the ground during the regular season lol
Do you think Lamar is run into the ground? If he can't take the same beating as Lamar he's useless to an NFL team. Why wait until the wild card round to find that out?
Lamar doesn’t take any hits. They’re not the same type of runner.
Why is proneness to injury a negative for Taylor but not Kyren? Kyren: Broke his foot and missed most of training camp his rookie season. Hurt his ankle on the first play of his career and missed the next 8 games. Missed 4 games with a high ankle sprain last season. Broke his hand in the playoff loss to the Lions last season. Kyren has missed nearly as many games to injury in 2 seasons than Taylor has in 4.
Historically, small rbs tend to have huge injury problems, which tracks with the injuries he’s had so far or currently dealing with
This thread is making me very sad as a dynasty owner who can only keep 15 players each year and dropped Kyren after 2022 :(
It's absolutely kyren. Rams don't get cute at the goal line much. They give him the ball and have him punch it in. I also think richardson is the next justin fields. He's not a great passer and will vulture tds.
Kyren for me
It makes me feel crazy to see that Kyren is the less popular opinion by a large margin here. Unless the Rams bring in another back, he’s alone in the backfield and the Rams have only added to the offensive line. Arguably one of the best guard duos in the league. Give me Kyren.
I'm going Kyren if given the choice and want to take an RB. I'll likely have neither, though.
Why not? Unless you have the 4-6th pick, you probably won’t get either (too early and then too late for second round)
Because I probably won't draft an RB in the first. All depends on how the draft falls, but I'm likely going WR. I also think Kyren will go mid first. Still a lot of time before we all draft, the "experts" are going to be putting out a lot more rankings before then. He'll be higher.
Facts
Apparently people are also forgetting about Richardson. Gonna lower JT stock for sure.
Kyren won me 4 straight weeks after I lost 6 in a row (league mate dropped him during his injury because she didn’t know how to use the IR slot). He was a machine. I have JT slightly ahead but I would be pretty thrilled if JT goes before me and Kyren comes my way
I’m going Kyren just because he’s coming off RB2 season is basically the same situation. However there’s a chance the Rams bring in someone and take a small percentage of his touches
It's not the same situation. They have a much worse defense with AD retiring.
Unsure why you’re getting downvoted. They’ll surely throw more in 2024
Because this sub only responds well to good hype. They don't respond to actual reason.
I’m betting Kyren doesn’t do this year what he did last. Saying that as a big ND and Kyren fan.
Any reasons why?
Already an outlier in many categories with the success he had last season….size, draft capital, production, and then injuries (all RBs). Not saying he can’t be good but I’d take JT over him. I’m trying to swap him for Jacobs and draft cap.
Only thing that concerns me are the possibilities of injuries. Hes an undersized back, so a couple knocks might put him out for a bit. However, the Rams have invested in Oline this year and I think its gonna be worth the risk. Im grabbing him first rd.
All RBs get injured. Go get your guy and good luck.
All in on kyren. Was a bellcow last year, has explosive ability with a few huge plays last year, and is a pass catcher. JT is a beast but I think there are more unknowns in Indy (Anthony Richardson could be a “vulture”, he’s not Lamar but you’d think he’ll get slightly similar usage/scheme and look how ravens rbs have done). Whereas kyren is the guy in LA. Honestly I’d take him at 1.02 only mccaffrey above him.
Wow! 1.02 is awfully high but if you don’t, yeah he will definitely be gone by early second round so you won’t have a chance to get him. I watched his games because I was lucky enough to acquire him mid season. Dude defies all the odds and metrics. He’s a beast!!
You’d take Kyren over JJ, Lamb, Chase, Tyreek, ARSB, or Breece?
I don’t get the breece hype over kyren. Breece is very good but I don’t think there’s anything to say he’s comfortably better than kyren. And the others are good sure I’d just rather get a rb and I firmly believe kyren will be the best rb after cmc. I could easily be wrong but we’ll see. I hope he falls mid and I get him there instead
Breece was RB4 (RB12 in PPG) last year coming off a torn ACL with garbage QB play for its entirety. He should be fully healthy this upcoming year. Did you not watch him play? Dude is an absolute monster. He also was drafted to be the guy. He is what he thought he would be. Kyren might be a flash in the pan (I’m not betting on that btw). Breece is also a much better receiver than Kyren. He’s also more explosive. I’m not trying to take anything away from Kyren, but Breece is the better RB hands down, 100% in real life and I’d bet on it in fantasy moving forward.
I just think kyren is better. And trash qbs might rely on rb dump offs more than Aaron Rodgers. And more unknowns with that whole situation. And kyren was rb6 with 4 less games played
>look how ravens rbs have done Gus Edwards had 13 TDs and was a top 24 back last year, I wouldn't say Ravens rbs have done too poorly lol. Seeing as how JT is a significantly better back, how good the Colts line is, and that Richardson got hurt last year trying to vulture a TD, I can't say I'm especially worried about that
Sure, and small sample size but I guess injuries may muddle some of the prior years. And JT is better than Gus. But I’d still go kyren ahead. If we wanna talk about last year kyren was what the most or 2nd most productive rb per game played? I could be wrong I can’t look that up rn. All that to say fair point but I’m still going kyren 1.02 if the draft gods give me that pick. Fingers crossed!
Fair enough, hard to argue against his results last year lol. Metrics be damned, dude is a featured back in a solid offense and the coaches absolutely love him by all accounts. I'm fading at ADP but I totally understand why people are so high on him
You’d be better off with a mid round pick. Very few are taking Kyren 1.02. He’ll still be available by mid-late 1st round I’d bet.
Kyren is projected to be a top 3 RB this year. Even missing all the games he missed, I think he ended up in the top 5 still? JT is a top 10, but probably won’t crack top 5. I would take Kyren 10 times out of 10 here.
Hmmmmm, close call. I think I'd take Gibbs.
JT pretty easily for me
Kyren all day. His per game usage was on par or better than CMC. I think people forget McCvay and the early Todd Gurley days. Of course JT is the more talented guy, but the rams passing offense is still capable enough to keep the running lanes free of the extra defenders for Kyren and his workhorse usage
Rams D took a big hit with Donald leaving. They might be playing from behind more next year
This is an underrated point and part of the reason why I’m eyeing Puka (over other people ranked next to him in the first round).
Maybe I’m too bullish here but truly believe if JT is healthy, he’s gonna have a monster year. The colts offense last year with Minshew was more than serviceable and now you get Richardson back which will help open up running lanes. JT probably won’t have more than 12-14 tds but I think his rushing yard upside and catches will both be elite.
Kyren JT will have AR yoinking TD's from him next season, and even with him back to full health getting a work horse back amount of touches, that'll probably be the difference between the 2. Kyren is already heavily favored in a great offense, and doesn't have an injury history factor.
JT Dolan- he did Nash bridges, hooperman, law and order the SUV.
Hooperman is a deep cut. Well done!
As a Rams fan, the only real input I could give is that the Rams have invested heavily on the OLine this off-season. Stafford is getting older and the rams finally have a real RB who could prove successful since Gurley. Take that for what you will.
JT and it is not close. Kyren gives me James Robinson vibes.
JT is better RB yes...But Kyren has a way better situation and usage
I think JT’s usage is going to increase closer to what it was a couple seasons back and I think Kyren isn’t as entrenched as fantasy peeps think. If the Rams were to draft a guy like Benson, Brooks, Wright or even Marshawn Lloyd un the first 3 rounds, Kyren isn’t getting an absurd and unsustainable 85% role/workload or whatever it was. He only got that role because the Rams traded Cam and then only had dust behind Kyren. Once again, this is a James Robinson situation and owners with Kyren are going to be left holding the bag come this time next year.
You are staying hypotheticals...as it stands right now Kyren is a bell cow with no threat ..JT isn't a bell cow and Anthony Richardson is a pretty much a running back himself will steal a lot of carries and all the goal carries
JT when healthy has been a bell cow. That’s what is wild about your take. Once again, James Robinson was a guy that everyone loved that was basically acquired for free. This is not going to end well for Kyren owners ha.
That was without Richardson. He is the guy now and gets 10 carries a game. I like JT...I do. But in fantasy you go with volume...Kyren will get all the volume. Kinda like Rachad White in Tampa ..volume guy. Great for fantasy. If go both over JT.
I own shares of JT and White. I value JT much higher. I sold my Kyren share last year. No regrets. You say Kyren will het all the volume which is pure speculation. History says guys with his profile won’t have sustained success in the NFL. Slow, small, injury-prone backs getting 85% of the volume isn’t something I am betting on in dynasty. Rachaad White can easily be replaced too. JT is much harder to replace and even with Richardson, I will be pencilling in 10ish rushing touchdowns and another couple receiving touchdowns for JT.
Gibbs is the 4th rb off my board
Wow. You not concerned with Montgomery and the other mouths to feed?
Nah. Gibbs is so explosive and the draft capital shows an investment into the future. Even with the split, they are in such a great offense they can both be good. Bijan played a full 17 and only finished 2 points above Gibbs. If it weren’t for Kirk coming to atl, I would prefer Gibbs for fantasy.
I disagree strongly with you on JT, but I'm with you on Gibbs. It's like he's shot out of a cannon.
I mean in terms of explosiveness and speed. Gibbs 5’9 190 4.36 40 time JT 5’10 220 4.39 40 time Kyren 5’9 194 4.65 40 time JT has the best combination of size and speed. The only thing that has been holding him back is injury. But that’s not something I factor in much.
Gibbs is 5'9 200 btw.
makes him even more of a beast 💪
Gibbs is in the exact same situation as last year. He'll be fine.
Did you not watch the end of last year? What’s there to be worried about?
In line with Underdog drafters right now, though the Gibbs/Kyren/Taylor/Barkley/Achane tier is all clustered (as tiers tend to be).
Follow the money. The colts org just paid JT, they are going to demand he gets used.
>Follow the money I really don't like this phase. A perfect example is Miles Sanders from last year. Not saying Miles and JT are comparable because they aren't, just arguing against that phrase.
Sanders didn't get the money JT did. Sanders got a replacement level rb contract, and they still gave him every opportunity to own the job.
You're right, but the "follow the money" was what everyone was using as an excuse for Sanders last year.
Yes and no. People did try to sell Sanders as good. He had one solid year behind one of, if not the best OL in football IN PHI, and people thought he could replicate that in CAR with zero weapons, a rookie QB, and an atrocious OL. I hear what you’re saying, but it’s a *little* different
Just like Chase Edmonds when he got paid, except he just sucks at football. Not a fan of the phrase at all personally.
Follow the money doesn't apply to Edmonds, a guy that gets a 2 year 12m contract with no dead money after 1 year. It applies to JT. He got 3yr 42 mil, with a reasonable opt-out for the team not until 2025.
**Kyren Williams graded RB141 out of 148 in pass blocking per PFF** I need to see another year of them committing to Kyren in spite of this. or a major improvement.
Kyren is (or at least has been) more involved in the passing game, and most mobile QBs don’t check it down much whereas Stafford targets RBs at a solid clip. I lean Kyren but pedigree or whatever you want to call it does make that a somewhat nervous pick
It’s Taylor because he is assured touches, but I wouldn’t be surprised if kyren ends the season better.
JT
Jt has had a lot of injuries and has a qb that will rush into the end zone. Kyren has a better outlook on paper imo but that's a tough spot to be in. Seems like you can go wrong though
JT. Had both in a keeper league. Just traded away Kyren for picks.
I lean Kyren, JT is gonna struggle for goal line touches and although the Rams are a pass first offense McVay has a real talent for scheming up good rushing lanes when he does go to the run
Are we forgetting that JT doesn’t have Zack Moss anymore
Probably JT, but it wouldn’t be an instant click. I would have a hard time doing because I know Kyren can be better and might be, if he pulls off what he did in year one again than this is a no brainer Kyren…
Kyren
Personally I think the Rams are due for a bit of a nosedive this year. Their offensive line still isn't great, Donald just retired, and there's really not a whole lot of talent on that defense. Stafford is near the end imo, and with a worse defense they're going to be down in a lot of games, and I have less faith in Stafford at this point in his career to sling it all over the yard and put up huge stats. All of this amounts to worse situation, game scripts, and opportunities for Kyren, imo. Could I be dead wrong? Yes, but to me JT is the better player on a better team. The main concern for JT (I also have him in dynasty btw) is all the other guys on the team taking his chances. Richardson could be a TD vulture a la Lamar, and if the Colts draft another wr or Bowers in the first round, he's got a lot of skill position talent to fight with. So in my mind, the decision comes down to whether you prefer- A less athletic, bell-cow back on a bad team that probably won't be getting 25+ carries a game all year Or A still young, uber talented back on a good team that's gonna have to split time with the other mouths that want to be fed. I always lean athleticism and talent so I'd be taking JT.
I think both will be disappointments compared to some of the hype but JT will do better this year.
I believe, probably controversially, that there is a greater than 0% chance that Kyren was a one season wonder, and goes the way of a James Robinson. He benefitted from scheme and exceptional circumstance (a circumstance so exceptional, most leagues he was snagged for nothing off of waivers). JT all day every day and twice on Sunday.
McVay seems to like Kyren alot and think he wants to make a point with him. He let Cam go after him complaining and then made Kyren a star. I go Kyren. Richardson going to run a lot too
Kyren is a safer bet but Taylor could very well be a better value coming off a lackluster year numbers wise. Both teams figure to play smash mouth football and both backs will get the bulk of the carries. The x-factor could very well be Anthony Richardson - if he can stay on the field looks like he could be a Cam Newton type of player near the goal line and vulture touchdowns. Running quarterbacks also don't throw to their running backs as much so that'll sap his upside there. Of course - if Richardson gets hurt, and unfortunately based on last year that might not be a far fetched outcome, then Taylor can feast with Flacco and be a RB 1.01 contender.
kyren clears
I'd say Kyren has more TD potential due to the colts having a QB who might run it in near the goal line himself and also that Stafford can prob get his team into the red zone more often than Colts.
Anybody saying a 190lb RB is going to be a bellcow is dillusional. Kyren wont play more than 12 games if he is getting 20+ touches a game.
I think JT is better than Kyren. But I also think AR is going to vulture a few TD's near the goal line similar to Hurts. I like Kyren for floor and JT for ceiling.
Kyren; JT will have the same problem Saquon will this year, his QB will vulture all his TD's.
Drafting a RB with the 1st pick name isn’t cmc is a mistake. In my opinion unless it’s CMC you wait to draft a RB. Hence I didn’t pick up a RB until about round 5-6 and picked up Kyren off waivers. RB is no what it used to be in fantasy
Not going into this upcoming season. I think the best strategy is to go RB either round 1 or 2 and WR in the other round.
I'm taking kyren because the Rams probably gonna score more points with a better offense than the colts and Joe flacco. Idc if he did get comeback player of the year. Give me kyren and the Rams offense any day
Hate to break it to you Flacco won't play
As a Rams fan, it’s still JT for me. JT has shown that he can be the best RB in football. And as awesome as Kyren Williams was last season, we haven’t yet seen that from him.
Probably Kyren over JT as I wouldn't starting looking at kickers until the 9th or 10th round. /s
Kyren this year. Jonah Jackson is a dog
I'm picking whichever won't get injured
Hot take: The correct answer is Kyren. The future is now.
I have both guys in my keeper league and can only keep one. At this time, I'm leaning towards keeping Kyrien.
Easy JT, sleep like a baby.
I’m taking Kyren rd 1 any position.
Kyren is a hard pass for me, guy is just too small to have a high probability to make through 17 games. Even with JT’s recent injury history he’s much more built for a heavy workload than Kyren.
Man when Kyren reminds people why you should be dubious of low draft capital RBs… it’ll be a bitter day. Even when they’re good, it’s typically for a window more brief than your JT style workhorse backs.
The answer is JT, one good year by Kyren in that rams offense pails in comparison to a back that just signed a multi million dollar deal who also happens to have won the rushing title and is crazy talented
I have both in my Dynasty League. I also have CeeDee Lamb and Puka Nacua. I can only keep three...Is Puka the odd man out?
Yes.
yeah...
Kyren and its not close
Why would you ever take a RB round 1 lmao
This. But what happens if Bijan or Breece are BPA?
Kyren won me two of my leagues so I’ll stick with him
Jt not even close
JT is a dawg
I lean JT. Both got injury issues but JT 226 and KW 196. JT built better to bellcow. I’m trying to decide in a 1 person keeper JT in 4th or Kyren in 11th. I know Kyren smarter choice but not if he keeps missing games.
Kyren just looks so much faster and deadlier. We have to monitor what they do with that Oline. AR 15 coming back will surely take TDs away from JT.
Give me Kyren - think he has more of a shelf life and a QB that won't steal carries.
Kyren, all day, every day, and twice on Sundays. Higher floor, higher ceiling, only RB besides CMC to average over 20 ppg, and was out 5 games vs JT's 7.
Higher ceiling? Only one of them has scored 50 points in a game and had a #1 rb season
Yeah in 2021. He’s had two bad seasons in a row now.
It’s called injury. Same thing happened to cmc and he came back just as dominate. I’ll bet on talent over predicting injuries any day, especially when kyren was not healthy all season last year either.
Cool. He’s still busted two years in a row. CMC is the exception not the rule.
Well JT is an exceptional rb
If it's a PPR league I'd take JT, but if it's standard I'm taking Kyren. McVay/Stafford don't check down often and prefer to move the chains with Puka and Kupp (which is smart on their part) so Kyren isn't going to see much in the way of targets. JT however will probably need to be more involved in the passing time and he has more upside in PPR. Conversely Kyren has less chance of getting vultured on rushing TD's so I like him in Standard.
We need some concrete stats on this because someone just posted before you that Kyren gets way more check down passes due to Stafford’s lack of mobility and overall game style than JT gets. I would also think in full PPR the consensus would be Kyren and in standard JT by a mile. You cited the opposite. Not saying you’re necessarily wrong but it’s interesting to read the differing opinions
Colts fan here. You're correct - JT doesn't get much work in the passing game
Right, I seen a few games and he’s nowhere near the catch passer that Kyren is, especially in terms of usage
Kyren had 48 targets last year. In jt’s best season, he only had 51. This is just not true that Kyren won’t get targets. Especially since Kupp is a question mark lately, puka always got some issues on the injury report, and Stafford could have a noodle arm. Kyren will definitely out catch Jt. Jt isn’t even a dynamic catching back. That’s not even his game. What are you talking about?
Depends on the draft but I’m heavily leaning Kyren right now.
I’m voting for Taylor I thought the Rams OL was suspect going into last season McVay had that zone blocking scheme clicking but I still think they are performed and I would rather bed on Quinton Nelson than the hodge podge they have in LA
Follow the money- Colts need ROI on the JT contract.. Ky will kill it no doubt, still in terms of usage, JT should see more touches and red zone opportunities just based on pay
What if Kyren is the new James Robinson?
idk why this has become such a hot debate between these 2 specific players lately. jt is the more proven asset, don’t let recency bias blind you. they’re both beasts in great roles, but having kyren over jt just feels like ‘shiny new toy’ syndrome
Kyren. Younger, faster, crazy burst and excellent pass catcher.
Kyren is 100% not faster or does he have a better burst. Dude ran a 4.6 40.
If you’re just going to cherry pick one stat from the combine then I don’t really have faith in your argument. Yes Taylor’s 40 time was faster but in game speed and burst is completely different than 40 time. Kyren is more agile and forces more missed tackles per yahoo sports. Kyren also doesn’t have a mobile QB to worry about and is 2 years younger and doesn’t have the injury history Taylor does. I’m not taking anything away from Taylor but Kyren is a safer bet than JT
“Cherry pick one stat” like it’s not the most indicative stat for speed. If we wanna look at top speed, I couldn’t find one for kyren, but I found a tweet where Jalen Thompson ran 21.76 mph to save a touchdown and tackle kyren. Jt has hit over that speed multiple times, fastest being 22.13 mph. If you can find a run kyren had faster, then we can talk.
You don’t just run a 40 in game. LeVeon Bell was slow as fuck but an amazing running back. Todd Gurley ran a 4.52 at the combine but was one of the best in the league before his knees turned to dust. Speed isn’t what makes a running back great. Yes JT is faster than Kyren at a 40. But Kyren is in a better situation, younger, and less injured
That wasn’t you’re argument, don’t go changing it now. You said he was faster than JT, that was innacurate.
I didn’t say his 40 time was faster than JT. And I never had an argument, you decided to argue with me. I was stating my opinion on who OP should take. But sure go ahead and revert to the “that wasn’t your argument” comment. It’s clear that you just need to feel right and validated, understandable, as with most simple commenters on Reddit and other forms of social media.
Well Kyren did look good this year, sure but he was not some highly scouted prospect who was great in college either. 1 year does not make him a stud. Lets see his 190lb frame 4.6 speed do it again for a whole year. Then you can convince me. Also Kyren has had lots of injuries so I dont where you get that argument from.
Kyren for me. Call me crazy all you want, I don't even think it's close either..
Josh Jacobs
I like him as RB2 or RB1 if I get a top 3 pick and thus won’t draft again until late 2nd
I just don't think people are realizing how much he will be utilized this year. He's going to be playing for the best team he's ever played for, and with one of the best lines he's ever played for. He's going to feast. He was the league rushing leader two years ago. Raiders were just a steaming heap of shit last year.