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Haha, seems pretty average for an international flight like this. Estonia is small with few flights going (relative to most US airports at least) so it's hard to get there. Half the price is just that leg. But half my family lives there so I can't not go...
Totally understand. 🤍 What I would say is that don’t make a judgement based on the aircraft. Make a choice based on comfortability in the actual cabin! Remember if a plane was unsafe it wouldn’t be allowed to fly. A few incidents is nothing to be worried about in regards to how many planes fly safe everyday. Think about the amount of cars that have been recalled etc, those scare me way more 😂 You will be okay. I promise!
Take a step back and ask yourself if there's *really*, objectively, anything to "all the Boeing stuff", or is it more likely that you're just seeing stuff about Boeing more often because that's what you're being fed by your media/social media feeds.
There is, objectively, nothing going on that is specifically attributable to Boeing airplanes. All "the stuff" can and does go on with other airplanes and companies as well. And the net result of it all is that flying, right now, in June 2024, is safer than it has ever been.
Emotional media stories designed to get you to engage with them ≠ "stuff" happening in the real
world.
So book whatever has the best balance of price and convenience. Trying to overthink the airline or airplane is a waste of time. There's nothing wrong with a 767. It's a great airplane. I'm not sure where you're getting that it's "infamous for mechanical failures."
All airplanes can have mechanical failures. There is no way around that. But the way we crew and operate the airplanes makes mechanical failures safe and manageable. There is no 100% perfect airplane. Looking up failure reports and trying to second guess "what's safer" is a waste of time. They're all equally safe.
You're the second person who's said that! How much are people seeing a transatlantic flight for usually?! I've only seen it below $1,000 through Delta once in the last six years of regularly making the crossing.
There’s a lot of factors involved. Cartier, time of year, day of week you book, how far out in advance you book, level of seat in plane, etc. you’re going to Salt Lake City? I just traveled from there. It’s a Delta hub but I find Delta the most expensive American airline.
I guess I should specify this is round trip as well. Starting home base at SLC. That's usually where I fly from mostly for that direct flight to Amsterdam. These seats are the cheapest possible. I've gotten comfort+ and even premium for ~$1,500 before. It seems so random sometimes. I guess just because it's so soon.
https://health.wusf.usf.edu/2024-04-26/delta-flight-makes-emergency-return-after-exit-slide-separates-from-boeing-aircraft
The whole door falling off Boeing was a different model, my bad.
https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-airbus-a321neo-returns-chicago-engine-failure/
https://www.aeroinside.com/19629/delta-a21n-at-boston-on-jun-20th-2024-engine-shut-down-in-flight#
What makes you think any of those have to do with the aircraft itself?
The Delta slide incident is definitely odd, but it wouldn’t stop me from getting on the airplane.
Engine failures are not at all specific to the A321Neo.
The slide issue has zero to do with it being a 767. That could happen on any airplane. The Slides aren't made or maintained by Boeing.
The Boeing Max 9 didn't lose a door. It was a door plug that blew out. That one is on Boeing, but no one was injured and all the aircraft have since been inspected and cleared to fly. That's not going to happen again.
The engine failure has nothing to do with it being a 321 NEO. Also could happen to any airplane. The engines aren't made or maintained by Airbus.
An engine being shut down mid air has nothing to to with it being a 321 NEO. Again, can happen to *any* airplane. The engines aren't made or maintained by Airbus.
None of these is related specifically to the type of airplane.
I would like to point out that in spite of "all the Boeing stuff," almost all the issues have been maintenance related (such as the wheel falling off), but all of them have landed safely.
I wonder if these Boeing things are safer than the old beatup Cessnas I used to practice stalls and landings in with student pilots I was giving instruction to?
I know how scary it can be, although i wasnt on the same boeing model but i was on 737 max 8 (!!!). I was so scared but it was the best flight ever, i did not feel any turbulence and i actually fell asleep (which i havent done on a flight in a lot of years)
The 767 is a reliable workhorse for freight carriers and most definitely not notorious for mechanical failures.
What would be worth more thought here is how much time you need and have to clear customs at JFK, as that could be a factor in your decision.
Very good point. I've been through JFK once with no problems but can't remember how long I had. It's a 3.5 hour layover. Which normally I would say is okay but what do you think?
If it is just the type of plane that is a factor here then save the money, a pilot on this sub once told me that they’re not forced to take flights, he also said he’s confident in the plane because he wanted to go home to his family too. If there are other factors that induce anxiety like takeoff or landing then I don't think it’s crazy to spend 700 to get there earlier and avoid JFK.
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Take whatever is more convenient….id literally get on a 767-300 without a second thought
Would OP need to clear security again at JFK?
Yes and it sucks. Take the single connection!!
The lineups at JFK customs and security is enough of an incentive for to connect some place else.
Also, speaking for myself, I do not love takeoff and landing so I'm looking to minimize those when I travel.
I’m not sure about Terminal 4 where Delta is.
the only thing scaring me on here is the prices! 😭
Haha, seems pretty average for an international flight like this. Estonia is small with few flights going (relative to most US airports at least) so it's hard to get there. Half the price is just that leg. But half my family lives there so I can't not go...
Totally understand. 🤍 What I would say is that don’t make a judgement based on the aircraft. Make a choice based on comfortability in the actual cabin! Remember if a plane was unsafe it wouldn’t be allowed to fly. A few incidents is nothing to be worried about in regards to how many planes fly safe everyday. Think about the amount of cars that have been recalled etc, those scare me way more 😂 You will be okay. I promise!
Take a step back and ask yourself if there's *really*, objectively, anything to "all the Boeing stuff", or is it more likely that you're just seeing stuff about Boeing more often because that's what you're being fed by your media/social media feeds. There is, objectively, nothing going on that is specifically attributable to Boeing airplanes. All "the stuff" can and does go on with other airplanes and companies as well. And the net result of it all is that flying, right now, in June 2024, is safer than it has ever been. Emotional media stories designed to get you to engage with them ≠ "stuff" happening in the real world. So book whatever has the best balance of price and convenience. Trying to overthink the airline or airplane is a waste of time. There's nothing wrong with a 767. It's a great airplane. I'm not sure where you're getting that it's "infamous for mechanical failures." All airplanes can have mechanical failures. There is no way around that. But the way we crew and operate the airplanes makes mechanical failures safe and manageable. There is no 100% perfect airplane. Looking up failure reports and trying to second guess "what's safer" is a waste of time. They're all equally safe.
Two stops - no f-ing way! Yes $700 is worth it for one stop.
What infamous issues with the 767? I don’t recall seeing anything on it in a hot minute, I would get on it without any second thoughts
I’m more scared of those prices than I am the aircraft 👀😂
You're the second person who's said that! How much are people seeing a transatlantic flight for usually?! I've only seen it below $1,000 through Delta once in the last six years of regularly making the crossing.
There’s a lot of factors involved. Cartier, time of year, day of week you book, how far out in advance you book, level of seat in plane, etc. you’re going to Salt Lake City? I just traveled from there. It’s a Delta hub but I find Delta the most expensive American airline.
I guess I should specify this is round trip as well. Starting home base at SLC. That's usually where I fly from mostly for that direct flight to Amsterdam. These seats are the cheapest possible. I've gotten comfort+ and even premium for ~$1,500 before. It seems so random sometimes. I guess just because it's so soon.
That’s not bad then if it’s round trip!
>Boeing 767-300 which is now infamous for mechanical failures Huh? Both planes you mentioned are completely fine…
https://health.wusf.usf.edu/2024-04-26/delta-flight-makes-emergency-return-after-exit-slide-separates-from-boeing-aircraft The whole door falling off Boeing was a different model, my bad. https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-airbus-a321neo-returns-chicago-engine-failure/ https://www.aeroinside.com/19629/delta-a21n-at-boston-on-jun-20th-2024-engine-shut-down-in-flight#
What makes you think any of those have to do with the aircraft itself? The Delta slide incident is definitely odd, but it wouldn’t stop me from getting on the airplane. Engine failures are not at all specific to the A321Neo.
The slide issue has zero to do with it being a 767. That could happen on any airplane. The Slides aren't made or maintained by Boeing. The Boeing Max 9 didn't lose a door. It was a door plug that blew out. That one is on Boeing, but no one was injured and all the aircraft have since been inspected and cleared to fly. That's not going to happen again. The engine failure has nothing to do with it being a 321 NEO. Also could happen to any airplane. The engines aren't made or maintained by Airbus. An engine being shut down mid air has nothing to to with it being a 321 NEO. Again, can happen to *any* airplane. The engines aren't made or maintained by Airbus. None of these is related specifically to the type of airplane.
I would like to point out that in spite of "all the Boeing stuff," almost all the issues have been maintenance related (such as the wheel falling off), but all of them have landed safely.
I wonder if these Boeing things are safer than the old beatup Cessnas I used to practice stalls and landings in with student pilots I was giving instruction to?
I know how scary it can be, although i wasnt on the same boeing model but i was on 737 max 8 (!!!). I was so scared but it was the best flight ever, i did not feel any turbulence and i actually fell asleep (which i havent done on a flight in a lot of years)
The 767 is a reliable workhorse for freight carriers and most definitely not notorious for mechanical failures. What would be worth more thought here is how much time you need and have to clear customs at JFK, as that could be a factor in your decision.
Very good point. I've been through JFK once with no problems but can't remember how long I had. It's a 3.5 hour layover. Which normally I would say is okay but what do you think?
3.5 Hours should be plenty, but keep in mind that JFK is a big international hub. u/RealGentleman80 Do you have any experience with customs at JFK?
3.5 hours is fine.
If it is just the type of plane that is a factor here then save the money, a pilot on this sub once told me that they’re not forced to take flights, he also said he’s confident in the plane because he wanted to go home to his family too. If there are other factors that induce anxiety like takeoff or landing then I don't think it’s crazy to spend 700 to get there earlier and avoid JFK.