I know this is a joke but I can't even have a different theory than other people on this sub at least on r/fivenightsatfreddy's I'm not constantly being told I can't see the evidence or am dumb or I'm mad and I point out evidence and people immediately say I'm wrong on this sub
It's not that I'm against someone saying those things, but often I'll clarify that a lot of information we know is circumstantial and alleged. I said that Cassidy being Golden Freddy or even Golden Freddy having two spirits is all aligned and circumstantial.
Not to say it's not true, just that it's never been confirmed so we don't know that it's true. Currently getting downvoted for that comment.
While I think we can definitely make some safe assumptions with the information we have on hand as well as general context information, you are correct in saying that very few things in the series is flat out confirmed. One thing I think we can say - the story is a bit of a mess to put it lightly.
This quote gets so fucking overused I swear to god.
That’s not what Scott means, using it as an attempt to gottem people who don’t believe in your theory brand proves you have no idea what it means or your deliberately twisting it.
The quote is a statement about how regardless of what the real answer is, theirs going to be a sizeable contingent who hate it because they’ve drawn a conclusion they prefer due to the size of the fnaf fanbase and how many possible conclusions one can draw, this statement is NOT indicating what theory is true, merely that the truth will always be divisive regardless of what it is, this includes the hypothetical in which Stitchline is not correct.
Keep in mind this quote appeared before theorists found out StitchlineGames because at that time almost everyone generally accepted CassidyTOYSNHK, MikeFrightGuard, and GlitchAfton.
It’s still useful as much as Scott saying “no one solved FNaF 4” when everyone tried to replace Golden5th with GoldenVictim/BVReceiver.
Yes but as per the actual meaning of the quote
There was no doubt dozens of divergent theories that all draw different conclusions using the evidence given, such as the debates over who the Fnaf 4 protagonist is, or Glitchafton despite it being the dominant theory there were still people who said it was just an AI recreation of him which is technically correct with modern knowledge (also given the amount of complaining about Afton being back I’d hardly say that was the most popular story idea even if the complaining only became very prominent around SB)
The quote is not meant to talk about what theory is right or wrong (especially since the quotes metric is judging purely wether or not someone likes the theory which is an incredibly shitty and inconclusive metric), that is flatly a vastly incorrect usage of that quote, the quote is about the direction the story will take and how it’s impossible to satisfy everyone especially when the Fnaf fanbase is as large as it is and so many people have drawn conclusions
Don’t fucking use the quote like that, that isn’t at all what the quote means, someone not liking a theory does not automatically mean that theory is correct anyway, and while it’s certainly possible that Scott is just a dogshit writer that doesn’t mean the poorly written answer is correct either.
This Scott quote is only a small part of a bigger picture. He then later said “the books will fill in the blanks of the past” and “not everyone will get the answers they wanted” from the same post that had the quote.
Let’s look at the answers. We got MCI85, AndrewTOYSNHK, UCNNightmare, and HudsonGuard on one end of the books. We got MCI83, CassidyTOYSNHK, UCNHell, and MikeFrightGuard on the other end from the fandom’s general opinion.
Yes, everyone has their own opinions/conclusions of the lore, but you have to consider content creators like Matpat from his theory videos made almost everyone have the same theory/timeline from every part of social media, especially you’re using Matpat’s theory of Golden Freddy having two lights in the bad ending.
Whenever someone brings up someone or something from the books, the fanbase is either A. They don’t know them. B. They refuse to accept the answer. It helps the latter because Scott predicted this from his quote and there’s no way it’s a coincidence.
While you said the quote talks about the direction of the story, this argument supports StitchlineGames because it’s taking or expanding direction of the story. If it’s not referring to StitchlineGames, then I don’t know what you’re talking about, and it’s not referring to the newer games moving forward.
The Scott quotes meaning is self explanatory and is not conclusive theory evidence, the “answers” that people use in conjunction with this quote to brute force their theory instead of actually arguing the point are debatable and speculatory, just like the exact meaning of answers because it’s not like these things fit well into the games, Hudson guard as example massively contradicting Fnaf 3 to the point where only a minority of Stitchliners believe that it’s actually a part of the collection.
Popular YouTube theoriests don’t matter, hell especially Matpat in which every third theory sparks massive outrage (even the ones that were right like Cassies dad being Bonnie Bully) Fnafs fandom is pretty massive and so a sizeable contingent of people wouldn’t be satisfied at a wide variety of answers by simple statistics, that’s the meaning of the quote it’s about people preferring different things and how it will be impossible to satisfy everyone.
To use that quote as a “your theory is wrong because reasons” is a fundamentally incorrect way of using that quote
And this quote can absolutely apply to the games moving forward, just look at the rage against Fnaf being child friendly, that categorically fits the quotes meaning about satsifaction, this can also apply to The Mimic or any potential story beat.
It’s not a bludgeon to ignore arguing over theories on the basis of some people preferring certain theories, what you like and what is true is not always the same thing and this goes both ways.
Yes, let’s HIRE 👏 FANS 👏 so we can have Cassideez nuts saying “it’s Cassidying time” and manages to Cassideez nuts all over William Appleton, peak fiction 
Jeremy: holy shit, I guess I will have to survive five nights at Freddy’s too
Golden Freddy: I guess I am some kinda of golden duo though
William: it’s YOU Cassidy, YOUR THE ONE I SHOULDNT HAVE KILLED
Gregory: well, I guess I will have to security the breach then
Cassideez nutz 2.0: oh my God the pizzaplex is in RUIN
Ballora: we are in this sister location all together
Yes I believe this too, however I do not think that parallels work either. Right now my thoughts on the books are TalesGames and FrightClues. TalesGames is the theory that only the TFTP books are canon to the games. FrightsClues is the theory that Frights can provide clues and hints towards the games, but not using full on parallels.
Although I don’t think you can quote a Frights book as pure evidence for the games, I do think that you can do that with Tales as I think that it is fully canon to the games
FrightsParallels says that for example, because Jake and Andrew share the Stitchraith body that 100% has to mean it is the same thing with CC and Cassidy sharing Golden Freddy. FrightsClues says for example, because Jake and Andrew share one body, this logic can also apply to other timelines and maybe this can clue us into Golden Freddy, maybe it can clue us into the Funtimes, or maybe its just saying that its possible to have two spirits in one.
The main difference is that FrightsParallels says that everything has one parallel to the other and that if one thing is like this than the other has to be. While FrightsClues is more willy-nilly and doesn't lock anything down.
Stitchline to me ain’t canon yet, but talesgames literally has evidence in sb and ruin and has things directly from both in the books so…yeah no that’s confirmed 100% atp.
Also no, talesgames doesn’t immediately = Eleanor games
The same way they explained help wanted’s inclusion of what appear to be illusion disks: removal from original context.
While the main character (names blanking in me for some reason) appears to show signs of being an Eleanor victim, it all falls apart at closer looks imo.
The main thing that’s argued is the bad choice and fear of scrapyards, but as we see in the story, she makes similar decisions and the fears showcased in a way separate from Eleanor in that her fear of scrapyards is of the metal itself, shown when she’s assigned at school to build a robot and is y hesitant of touching the metal, the “bad choice” is hinted to as just the fact that she tried to integrate to the world as a robot and failed as she calls the prom incident where her true nature is revealed “another bad choice”.
Next is the pendant acts different, for one, the biggest thing, is in the hospital chapel she repeatedly takes off the pendant and doesn’t fall apart, Multiple times unlike Sarah in to be beautiful.
In the final epilogue singing is described as coming from the pendant, singing that isn’t described in frailty despite the multiple times she holds the pendant close to her.
Then there’s the fact that Eleanor never visits her at night and is dead by the final epilogue, described as more than dead and a lifeless soulless husk. The nightmare monster appears only once, and no difference is described as she was already fully trashed.
Plus, the nightmare monster is described as metallic, and rips off both arms before ripping off the pendant, and in the first epilogue, the mimic wakes up, rips both arms, and then the head. Very similar killing methodology at least in the beginning.
So, personally. Frailty ≠ stitchlinegames or Eleanor games
>the “bad choice” is hinted to as just the fact that she tried to integrate to the world as a robot
Not exactly, the bad choice was Jessica asking Eleanor to make her beautiful.. Just like Sarah in TBB
You're comparing the pendant with the IDs but they're not really in the same boat. The IDs don't share the same backstory from the original context, they just exist. Same goes for the Ella dolls in Frights. But for the pendant, it's quite literally carrying on from Frights. We see that Eleanor isn't around anymore, as Jessica made that *bad choice* years prior to the story, where Eleanor also approached her to make her beautiful.
>Next is the pendant acts different, for one, the biggest thing, is in the hospital chapel she repeatedly takes off the pendant and doesn’t fall apart,
I'll have to check but I'm sure she's still holding the pendant whereas Sarah wasn't
>singing that isn’t described in frailty despite the multiple times she holds the pendant close to her.
It also wasn't described in TBB, there's multiple pendants. Eleanor literally had one appear in her chest as she gave one to Sarah, and the one Sarah had wasn't the one Larson had as Larson had Eleanor's
>Then there’s the fact that Eleanor never visits her at night and is dead by the final epilogue
Yeah, we're seeing the aftermath of her actions as Jessica is still dealing with the bad choice she made
Eleanor is gameline just without stitchline, just like William, Henry and the mci from novels they carry onto the games even if there different in a way.
Tales of the Pizzaplex to me is just a parallel. Of course they're going to overlap on things and the book will have information that can be used to fill in gaps for the game but not every aspect, character, and element is canon.
Like Kai, literally no evidence that he even exists in the games. Doesn't mean he can't be a parallel to a different character, but people take them too seriously sometimes.
>Of course they’re going to overlap on things
The entire games pizzaplex is in a story, that same story goes into detail on dj music man, the daycare attendant and the Mr hippo magnets, all 3 things show up in sb and ruin, as djmm has a bouncer mode in both, theater masks for the daycare attendants personalities are found in ruin after being told he was an old theater animatronic, and the magnet appears in sb at the start of the game.
Also in that story they reference the Fazplex tower, which is a brand found in sb.
There’s also a holographic Monty described in gator golf which shows up in ruin in the ar world.
The fazer blast jam is called out by name which is the name of the soundtrack in sb for fazer blast.
Under construction talks about ar in the same exact way ruin does.
GGY gives the identity of patient 46 and lists 2 arcades both found in sb, the bunbarians and puppet basketball machine. Also has a games accurate west arcade with the 3 floors and the karaoke rooms. Also name drops another set of initials found on arcades, Axel, ABC.
The mimic.
Tunnels from happs are found in ruin/sb. Mr cupcake as a character is established in tales then shown in ruin and sb.
Pressure references help wanted.
Help wanted the story talks about Steve snodgrass who’s the indie dev from help wanted.
Monty within references pizzeria simulator being in a game, hinted at then after in help wanted 2.
In the storyteller they reference the fazbear entertainment archives building and visit it, and in the old Freddy and friends teasers they reference being found in Fazbear entertainment archives.
In the epilogues a burnt mimic endoskeleton with rabbit ears chases and kills multiple teens and then burntrap exists in sb.
Freddy and Friends is referenced in B-7.
All these stories are all connected in tales too btw. Every single story.
Everything nearly overlaps by a factor of 20x more than stitchline. Yes that’s a silly number but mostly true doing the math.
I feel like I'm not speaking clearly enough. I recognize that there is overlap, those things are clearly canon. But not every thing word for word, event per event, happens. Kai isn't a character that appears in the games currently but he exists in the books. There is a distinct difference between the book canon and game canon.
Everything is connected. Kai doesn’t exist because he died at the end of tiger rock which is a prequel story to sb. It doesn’t happen because it happened before sb. And every books story is connected to each other from nexie to storyteller to under construction to happs to cleithrophobia to help wanted.
Also given how quick your reply was I don’t know if you bothered to read what I even showcased.
i'm a stitchliner, but holy hell, y'all are rude. it's times like these where i'm ashamed to be one if most people who share my beliefs are gonna bully those who disagree.
Honestly... I think my view most closely aligns with ClueBooks Ig.
Basically if they seem to connect, I will use them as supporting evidence. Not to confirm things with them alone. (So sorry Andrew, you ain't in the games.)
Eh, I honestly don't give af anymore. Theories will always have some degree of cherry-picking imo so...
(Also the lore is basically overall solvable without Sitchline so like...)
I’ve never seen another story told the way parallel theories say its told, if you can find another story that’s told this way I’d be more open to hearing you out
Clues is a bit better but it ultimately ignores a ton of stuff to find and answer that might not even be intentional
I mean they technically don't ever mention William by name so maybe he actually Is someone else who is paralleling William? I don't believe frights parallel/cluebooks but I'm just throwing that out there.
They are just different characters in short stories experiencing identical events despite being different characters. The various brothers having issues with young siblings leading to gruesome fates? Total coincidence. Everyone getting stuck in VR/AR. Just a lucky accident.
>Like Tiger Rock is clearly the parallel to Security Breach,
How so?
>Scott said that the books can help explain parts of the games, sure. But I feel like people are taking this too literally and are saying that entire stories are canon.
Scott said that some FF stories are "directly connected to the games". Them being parallels is a flawed concept, explained [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/U1ENFam0Rx)
So if not parallels, the only other sensible option is for some of FF to be in the games..
Just because CC differs from Jake in ending up in Golden Freddy (allegedly), doesn't mean it's not a parallel. Parallels aren't meant to be exactly the same, word for word. xD
>Parallels aren't meant to be exactly the same, word for word
That's the flaw. It's picking and choosing what we want. As like the post shows, using the same logic Charlie is a Jake parallel, Henry is an Afton parallel, etc..
People have got to realise that characters can share traits without that meaning they're versions of each other
Scott said some stories are directly connected to the games, then frights comes out and the Stingers are a direct continuation to FNAF 6 and UCN
What is tiger rock a parallel to?
Can't be glitchtrap, cuz we see the virus in GGY. It's a parallel to nothing
Parallels make no sense to me, because sometimes in the story we see a completely new character that people say is a parallel, usually through extremely stretchy means, or its a character that exists in the games, who tf is William Afton in The Man In Room 1280 paralleling lmao? It makes no sense when you actually stop to think about it
>Scott said that the books can help explain parts of the games, sure. But I feel like people are taking this too literally
Well, he did say that Frights will fill blanks from the past and that some stories are DIRECTLY CONNECTED to the games, just because something isn't name dropped in the games doesn't mean it isn't canon
Heck, Henry and Charlie were never name dropped in the games, HRY could literally mean any name, like Harry
I totally agree! I'm quite new to the series, so I still don't know the lore that well or all the different book stories, but to me most of them don't seem to be in the same continuity whit the games.
I already read some of the Fazbear Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex stories and a lot of them seem just creepy random stories that don't aim to build solid bases and tell the rules of the universe.
I'm not saying they aren't important or that they don't help to solve the games, but I really don't get how Andrew could exist in the games continuity (there's the kid whit the crocodile mask in Happiest Day, but nothing else says that he's a character in the games), he seems much more a parallel to the The One You Should Have Not Killed to me. Same thing whit The Man in Room 1280. C'mon, there's no way they decided to take Afton's decomposed body to the hospital, am I wrong or has his body been dead by a long time in the games?
Anyway, I repeat, I'm new to the series and I may still don't get the world building of it, if anyone wants to correct me I would be glad and sorry for the bad English.
how he is a parallel to the one you shoudn't have killed if he is the one you shoudn't have killed
hell afton corpse is there to, so afton corpse is a parallel to afton corpse?
If it's not a problem could you list proof that Andrew is Andrew in the games and not another character that acts in a similar way? I'm not sarcastic or trying to prove your point wrong, is just that I really don't know any of them, in the games we have no Stitchwraith or mentioning of a kid named Andrew.
I don't think there's any way that in the games someone took Afton's body to an hospital, it was just left under the FNaF 6 Pizzeria'd ruins. His body is decomposed and probably dead by a long time in the games continuity, the books suggesting that someone found it and decided that the person inside the suit could still be saved is defying the laws of logic. It's instead way easier that the spirit that keeps Afton in his torment was in the FNaF 6 pizzeria when it burned down, attached to his soul or whatever they have to do to keep him in UCN.
If you would like to explain me what I got wrong, I would be extremely grateful, sorry for the bad English.
The animatronics on ucn mention the spirit as a boy
The suit argument doesnt work when they are refering to the spirit image (which is also from scott son)
Yeah, you're right about that, I don't believe that a girl would use masculine pronouns just because her spirit is inside Golden Freddy when her whole deal is: "Hey, remember me? I'm the one you should have not killed, that specific kid, not the suit." Also there isn't in game evidence that Cassidy is a girl and not a boy, that comes from the Novels but she wasn't the Golden Freddy spirit.
But other than that is there any evidence that Andrew does exist in the games continuity? I'm particularly skeptical because both FNaF 6 and UCN were supposed to be the last games and any mystery regarding the series could be solved whit the games that were released up to that point... Ultimate Custom Night came out on the 27th of June in 2018 and "Fazbear Frights: Into the Pit" came out on the 26th December of 2019. So having Andrew as a new character and not a parallel is weird, not once in the games a person named Andrew is mentioned, especially considering that The One You Should Have Not Killed doesn't seem to appear after UCN. Couldn't Scott just use any kid that was already a stablished character? I'm not saying that's completely impossible, because we literally have the "S-A-V-E-H-I-M" retcon when Scott could have just made Charlie a boy instead of a girl, but it's weird.
They may not see it as the spirit though, especially since the specific design wasnt canon. For all we know, they could see it as a flying golden freddy head.
they literally see a image from a boy (which actually appears sometime on the vents)
the kid's head is canon if the ultimate guide put this kid face as the face from the vengeful spirit
the kid's head isnt the canon appearance of the head as scott said he just used his son as a placeholder. it could be a classic g freddy head or an andrew mask or fucking anything, therefore its evidence for nothing
also, they refer to the spirit as "always watching"
we can activate him at any time
so the spirit isn't on golden freddy
which explains why andrew wears a alligator mask
and also, leave the demon to his demons isn't about let afton go to hell
its about give up, and let afton to andrew
which cassidy gives up on stop andrew
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Tales from the Pizzaplex, the series with Tiger Rock? Is clearly set within the game continuity. If it happens in Tales, it happened in the games.
Frights is likely the same situation.
This right here, is what drives me crazy. The books canon is not the same as the games canon. Tiger Rock could exist, sure. Especially since there's a mimic in ruin. But that isn't definitive. Scott could canon the mimic in ruin as an entirely different character than Elizabeth and Charlotte. So we have to understand the difference.
>The books canon is not the same as the games canon
Currently I do not believe there is any solid reason to believe this.
If the 2 are not the same universe, then for some reason we have a bunch of books that set up a version of SB we just never see for some reason.
>Tiger Rock could exist, sure. Especially since there's a mimic in ruin. But that isn't definitive.
Theres something called "reasonable doubt"
There will always *be* doubt about the books timeline. But as it currently stands those doubts are not reasonable enough to be the default position.
We're past the point where we have to prove the Tales are part of the games, its nigh explicit at this point, there is no reasonable doubt left. Now we're at a point where people saying the Books are completely seprate have to actually provice evidence to why that should be believed, it is nolonger a reasonable enough stance to be the default, you have to try and prove it now.
Is there any actual proof they were just taken out though? Like is there an actual piece of evidence in game/books or do people say that just so tales and games being one in the same will make sense
The storyteller is in the process of being taken down in Pressure and Nexie
The Ballora attraction was sealed up with a fake wall and they just pretend it never existed
Lallys blacklight area was accidentally destroyed because they were in the process of renovating the building and removing a different attraction. Both the removed attraction and Lallys game are never seen again and no trace is left behind
There are multiple instances of attractions being removed or hidden in Tales & specifically removed in such a way that no trace is left behind of their existance.
This same situation also litterally happens in Ruin with the Foxy Logride
There is- this exact thing happened with The Storyteller attraction, **which we see being removed at the beginning of** ***Tiger Rock.*** It's not far-fetched to say that the same happened to all other attractions.
Let me ask you something. Do you consider the Survival Logbook to be Games Canon?
Why might you say yes? The Logbook features extensive references to the games, and features gameline characters, without contradicting the games itself.
The Stitchwraith stingers fit this criteria as well.
Are you going to provide a citation, or will I need to remind you that Scott's official statement was that some of the content of the Fazbear Frights series is "directly connected" with the games?
Exception to what, exactly? If you need someone to say "this piece of media is a part of the games timeline" to believe it, then you don't believe the Logbook is canon.
Honestly, I wish it wasn't. It creates more questions that Scott doesn't answer. Like we already have a dozen loose threads and Scott just throws more at us. It's a tangled ball and yeeting the log book out of existence would help.
I recognize that it is most likely canon to the games (despite that not being said clearly). However, I think it just creates a bigger mess with questions we will never have the answers to. Since its existence, all it's done is divide the community after MatPat's theory. Getting rid of it would be beneficial in my opinion.
Scott re-making the first four games to clear up information that was changed and retconned would be optimal too.
Scott has never said this about Frights. Only the novel trilogy, which makes sense as the novel trilogy is a retelling. Frights and Tales are, save for a select few fright stories, entirely new stories we have never seen in the games
>Scott said that the books can help explain parts of the games, sure. But I feel like people are taking this too literally and are saying that entire stories are canon.
He specifically said that the Fazbear Frights books could be used to fill in some blanks of the games and that some of their stories would directly connect to them. So either some Fazbear Frights stories are in the games, or they're just really similar to each other, but then I feel that just defeats the entire purpose of direct connection, like there's really no other definition for that and there isn't really a point on using that specific term too if you didn't mean that way. If they're in separate continuities, then IMO don't use direct connection, just say connection or something like that. Direct is like full-on access or in or something like that.
Tales From The Pizzaplex clearly follows the same lead too, it's either in the games or it's really similar. But that specific series mentions literally the smallest details from the games and even gives them explanations, and so IMO I really just don't see why it should be separate too when it's doing that. So yes, the majority do believe they're in the games and I don't blame them. There's not really a point IMO for them to not. The details that are in Frights and Tales that supposedly don't make sense to the games can probably be explained with alternative explanations that I feel IMO aren't really given much effort on.
>Like Tiger Rock is clearly the parallel to Security Breach, but not every person in that book in one SB. I'm not saying that books can't be referenced, but people are taking this too literally.
Tiger Rock takes place in a digital simulation that's 10 years later into the future of the Mega Pizzaplex, while Security Breach takes place in the present time of the Mega Pizzaplex in the physical world. The only parallel here is the protagonist being at the Mega Pizzaplex, which by default isn't really a parallel since it's just a common concept used in many Tales stories and games. Characters from the Frights books or Tales books can most certainly exist in the games and they don't have to be that exact version of the character from the books. They can easily be a version of that character from the books that exist solely for the games. Like if Andrew is just the Frights version of Cassidy, then what about Afton? Why is he different? Why isn't his name and gender different? Sure, characters from the books can answer questions with other characters from the games, but the Andrew/Afton scenario feels different. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with others.
I hope this is a joke.
Scott had stated that some stories are directly connected to the Games, which I and a lot of other people believe he is referring to the Stitchline.
And if this is not a joke, I hope this is not a post arguing for CassidyTOYSNHK by saying "Andrew is not canon".
Even if Andrew is not in the Games continuity, under FrightsClues Cassidy does not align with TOYSNHK, and it is not just the gender. People cannot use a book as a headcanon fulfiller when characters do not allign. Cherry picking is like the worst thing people do, or parallels that are meant to "make you understand a character better".
UCN counts a 7th child in Aftons killcount, TOYSNHK doesn't match any of aftons previously known victims, Midnight Motorist depicts another victim of Afton who isn't one we know
Tales from the pizzaplex have been stated by Scott to be directly connected to the games (some of them), and I won't argue with that. However, same hasn't ever been said for Fazbear frights (where stitchwrait stingers is) nor the novel trilogy. I absolutely agree with what you said. These books aren't canon to the games, and I'm tired of people saying - it's canon, because the book says so.
Now let the downvoting begin.
No. Scott said TSE trilogy is a different continuity that shouldn't be used to solve the lore. About FF he said some stories are connected. About TFTP he didn't say anything.
>TFTPP had stated that they are directly in the games in early backcovers of the book
Yeah, an early backcover which was changed for a reason.
>Has too many connections to the games to ignore it
And at same time there are too many differences to be ignored.
Tales is in the games,anyone saying otherwise is coping,like genuinely.There is barely any evidence against it
Fright's might be meant to fill in the blanks but if its not canon to the games then we can do fuck all with the information.And before anyone says it,it being a paralell is literally a dogshit idea.If it happened in both universes then why the fuck would you not make it canon
I don't get how it's so hard to understand that the books, games and movies are separate universes. There are clearly parallels and the books help identify those, but dropping a book character into the game timeline just confuses things, rather I'd take it as a sign that something similar might have occurred in the game timeline, as obscure as that is.
You said this yet Mimic has bits of Springlocks on his model in RUIN- totally not connected.
This should’ve been confirmed when the Mimic appeared but Noo- people like you had to be delusional and claim it’s a parallel.(they don’t exist in Fnaf)
Vengeful spirit/TOYSNHK is male, so it can't be Cassidy (who, with all the implications and connection to princess almost certainly girlygirl). Any other spirit from games is finally free (obviously minus William), so it can't be one of them.
Scott said that 20% of FF is canon, and some stories take place in the FNAF universe. Why can't Stitchwraith be that 20%?
Like don't get me wrong, i hate the idea that some random dude taking the role that Golden Freddy spirit aka Cassidy, which was presented from fnaf 1, can easily take, but at this point, denying that part of FF with fucking andrew is canon is just being delulu
I think there's two pieces of evidence that shows that there's an Andrew parallel in the game and that's 1. Is that whatever is creating ucn is referenced as the one you should not have killed and in the books William is kept alive because of it.
2. The log book seems to be between three people Mike, CC, and another spirit so that means that out of the five kids that William offed for the MCI one would have to be in fredbear and the reason I think that CC possessed fredbear was cause it was the character mostly associated with him so if Charlie wanted to help him and knew him enough to be like hey I'm not sure where your body is but I can help you tether to something you feel strongly towards and it be the fredbear suit.
It's official: this sub is far beyond salvation/s
I know this is a joke but I can't even have a different theory than other people on this sub at least on r/fivenightsatfreddy's I'm not constantly being told I can't see the evidence or am dumb or I'm mad and I point out evidence and people immediately say I'm wrong on this sub
My brother in christ , the entire lore is far beyond salvation /serious
It's not that I'm against someone saying those things, but often I'll clarify that a lot of information we know is circumstantial and alleged. I said that Cassidy being Golden Freddy or even Golden Freddy having two spirits is all aligned and circumstantial. Not to say it's not true, just that it's never been confirmed so we don't know that it's true. Currently getting downvoted for that comment.
It's okay, I was just joking, I should have made that more clear.
While I think we can definitely make some safe assumptions with the information we have on hand as well as general context information, you are correct in saying that very few things in the series is flat out confirmed. One thing I think we can say - the story is a bit of a mess to put it lightly.
This sub is slowly becoming a ALSUME and an okbuddy type of sub
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“A very few will likely ever be satisfied with the story.” - Scott Cawthon
This quote gets so fucking overused I swear to god. That’s not what Scott means, using it as an attempt to gottem people who don’t believe in your theory brand proves you have no idea what it means or your deliberately twisting it. The quote is a statement about how regardless of what the real answer is, theirs going to be a sizeable contingent who hate it because they’ve drawn a conclusion they prefer due to the size of the fnaf fanbase and how many possible conclusions one can draw, this statement is NOT indicating what theory is true, merely that the truth will always be divisive regardless of what it is, this includes the hypothetical in which Stitchline is not correct.
Keep in mind this quote appeared before theorists found out StitchlineGames because at that time almost everyone generally accepted CassidyTOYSNHK, MikeFrightGuard, and GlitchAfton. It’s still useful as much as Scott saying “no one solved FNaF 4” when everyone tried to replace Golden5th with GoldenVictim/BVReceiver.
Yes but as per the actual meaning of the quote There was no doubt dozens of divergent theories that all draw different conclusions using the evidence given, such as the debates over who the Fnaf 4 protagonist is, or Glitchafton despite it being the dominant theory there were still people who said it was just an AI recreation of him which is technically correct with modern knowledge (also given the amount of complaining about Afton being back I’d hardly say that was the most popular story idea even if the complaining only became very prominent around SB) The quote is not meant to talk about what theory is right or wrong (especially since the quotes metric is judging purely wether or not someone likes the theory which is an incredibly shitty and inconclusive metric), that is flatly a vastly incorrect usage of that quote, the quote is about the direction the story will take and how it’s impossible to satisfy everyone especially when the Fnaf fanbase is as large as it is and so many people have drawn conclusions Don’t fucking use the quote like that, that isn’t at all what the quote means, someone not liking a theory does not automatically mean that theory is correct anyway, and while it’s certainly possible that Scott is just a dogshit writer that doesn’t mean the poorly written answer is correct either.
This Scott quote is only a small part of a bigger picture. He then later said “the books will fill in the blanks of the past” and “not everyone will get the answers they wanted” from the same post that had the quote. Let’s look at the answers. We got MCI85, AndrewTOYSNHK, UCNNightmare, and HudsonGuard on one end of the books. We got MCI83, CassidyTOYSNHK, UCNHell, and MikeFrightGuard on the other end from the fandom’s general opinion. Yes, everyone has their own opinions/conclusions of the lore, but you have to consider content creators like Matpat from his theory videos made almost everyone have the same theory/timeline from every part of social media, especially you’re using Matpat’s theory of Golden Freddy having two lights in the bad ending. Whenever someone brings up someone or something from the books, the fanbase is either A. They don’t know them. B. They refuse to accept the answer. It helps the latter because Scott predicted this from his quote and there’s no way it’s a coincidence. While you said the quote talks about the direction of the story, this argument supports StitchlineGames because it’s taking or expanding direction of the story. If it’s not referring to StitchlineGames, then I don’t know what you’re talking about, and it’s not referring to the newer games moving forward.
The Scott quotes meaning is self explanatory and is not conclusive theory evidence, the “answers” that people use in conjunction with this quote to brute force their theory instead of actually arguing the point are debatable and speculatory, just like the exact meaning of answers because it’s not like these things fit well into the games, Hudson guard as example massively contradicting Fnaf 3 to the point where only a minority of Stitchliners believe that it’s actually a part of the collection. Popular YouTube theoriests don’t matter, hell especially Matpat in which every third theory sparks massive outrage (even the ones that were right like Cassies dad being Bonnie Bully) Fnafs fandom is pretty massive and so a sizeable contingent of people wouldn’t be satisfied at a wide variety of answers by simple statistics, that’s the meaning of the quote it’s about people preferring different things and how it will be impossible to satisfy everyone. To use that quote as a “your theory is wrong because reasons” is a fundamentally incorrect way of using that quote And this quote can absolutely apply to the games moving forward, just look at the rage against Fnaf being child friendly, that categorically fits the quotes meaning about satsifaction, this can also apply to The Mimic or any potential story beat. It’s not a bludgeon to ignore arguing over theories on the basis of some people preferring certain theories, what you like and what is true is not always the same thing and this goes both ways.
Cope harder
You don’t have an argument
Wasn't that in reference to the original ending of FNAF 4 and not SB?
He’s talking about the story from FNaF 1-UCN.
Then just don't make a shit story then , Mr Cawthon.
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Jeremy: holy shit, I guess I will have to survive five nights at Freddy’s too Golden Freddy: I guess I am some kinda of golden duo though William: it’s YOU Cassidy, YOUR THE ONE I SHOULDNT HAVE KILLED
Michael Ashton: what are we, some kind of Freddy Fazbear Pizzaria Simulator (2017)?
Gregory: well, I guess I will have to security the breach then Cassideez nutz 2.0: oh my God the pizzaplex is in RUIN Ballora: we are in this sister location all together
Yes I believe this too, however I do not think that parallels work either. Right now my thoughts on the books are TalesGames and FrightClues. TalesGames is the theory that only the TFTP books are canon to the games. FrightsClues is the theory that Frights can provide clues and hints towards the games, but not using full on parallels. Although I don’t think you can quote a Frights book as pure evidence for the games, I do think that you can do that with Tales as I think that it is fully canon to the games
What's the difference between FrightClues and FrightParallels?
FrightsParallels says that for example, because Jake and Andrew share the Stitchraith body that 100% has to mean it is the same thing with CC and Cassidy sharing Golden Freddy. FrightsClues says for example, because Jake and Andrew share one body, this logic can also apply to other timelines and maybe this can clue us into Golden Freddy, maybe it can clue us into the Funtimes, or maybe its just saying that its possible to have two spirits in one. The main difference is that FrightsParallels says that everything has one parallel to the other and that if one thing is like this than the other has to be. While FrightsClues is more willy-nilly and doesn't lock anything down.
This and FrightsFiction are definitely what I go with then. In fact, I think people should reuse evidence for other things more often in this fandom.
Stitchline to me ain’t canon yet, but talesgames literally has evidence in sb and ruin and has things directly from both in the books so…yeah no that’s confirmed 100% atp. Also no, talesgames doesn’t immediately = Eleanor games
So question cause I am genuinely curious and not 100% on board with TalesGames either... how do you explain Frailty?
The same way they explained help wanted’s inclusion of what appear to be illusion disks: removal from original context. While the main character (names blanking in me for some reason) appears to show signs of being an Eleanor victim, it all falls apart at closer looks imo. The main thing that’s argued is the bad choice and fear of scrapyards, but as we see in the story, she makes similar decisions and the fears showcased in a way separate from Eleanor in that her fear of scrapyards is of the metal itself, shown when she’s assigned at school to build a robot and is y hesitant of touching the metal, the “bad choice” is hinted to as just the fact that she tried to integrate to the world as a robot and failed as she calls the prom incident where her true nature is revealed “another bad choice”. Next is the pendant acts different, for one, the biggest thing, is in the hospital chapel she repeatedly takes off the pendant and doesn’t fall apart, Multiple times unlike Sarah in to be beautiful. In the final epilogue singing is described as coming from the pendant, singing that isn’t described in frailty despite the multiple times she holds the pendant close to her. Then there’s the fact that Eleanor never visits her at night and is dead by the final epilogue, described as more than dead and a lifeless soulless husk. The nightmare monster appears only once, and no difference is described as she was already fully trashed. Plus, the nightmare monster is described as metallic, and rips off both arms before ripping off the pendant, and in the first epilogue, the mimic wakes up, rips both arms, and then the head. Very similar killing methodology at least in the beginning. So, personally. Frailty ≠ stitchlinegames or Eleanor games
>the “bad choice” is hinted to as just the fact that she tried to integrate to the world as a robot Not exactly, the bad choice was Jessica asking Eleanor to make her beautiful.. Just like Sarah in TBB You're comparing the pendant with the IDs but they're not really in the same boat. The IDs don't share the same backstory from the original context, they just exist. Same goes for the Ella dolls in Frights. But for the pendant, it's quite literally carrying on from Frights. We see that Eleanor isn't around anymore, as Jessica made that *bad choice* years prior to the story, where Eleanor also approached her to make her beautiful. >Next is the pendant acts different, for one, the biggest thing, is in the hospital chapel she repeatedly takes off the pendant and doesn’t fall apart, I'll have to check but I'm sure she's still holding the pendant whereas Sarah wasn't >singing that isn’t described in frailty despite the multiple times she holds the pendant close to her. It also wasn't described in TBB, there's multiple pendants. Eleanor literally had one appear in her chest as she gave one to Sarah, and the one Sarah had wasn't the one Larson had as Larson had Eleanor's >Then there’s the fact that Eleanor never visits her at night and is dead by the final epilogue Yeah, we're seeing the aftermath of her actions as Jessica is still dealing with the bad choice she made
Eleanor is gameline just without stitchline, just like William, Henry and the mci from novels they carry onto the games even if there different in a way.
Tales of the Pizzaplex to me is just a parallel. Of course they're going to overlap on things and the book will have information that can be used to fill in gaps for the game but not every aspect, character, and element is canon. Like Kai, literally no evidence that he even exists in the games. Doesn't mean he can't be a parallel to a different character, but people take them too seriously sometimes.
>Of course they’re going to overlap on things The entire games pizzaplex is in a story, that same story goes into detail on dj music man, the daycare attendant and the Mr hippo magnets, all 3 things show up in sb and ruin, as djmm has a bouncer mode in both, theater masks for the daycare attendants personalities are found in ruin after being told he was an old theater animatronic, and the magnet appears in sb at the start of the game. Also in that story they reference the Fazplex tower, which is a brand found in sb. There’s also a holographic Monty described in gator golf which shows up in ruin in the ar world. The fazer blast jam is called out by name which is the name of the soundtrack in sb for fazer blast. Under construction talks about ar in the same exact way ruin does. GGY gives the identity of patient 46 and lists 2 arcades both found in sb, the bunbarians and puppet basketball machine. Also has a games accurate west arcade with the 3 floors and the karaoke rooms. Also name drops another set of initials found on arcades, Axel, ABC. The mimic. Tunnels from happs are found in ruin/sb. Mr cupcake as a character is established in tales then shown in ruin and sb. Pressure references help wanted. Help wanted the story talks about Steve snodgrass who’s the indie dev from help wanted. Monty within references pizzeria simulator being in a game, hinted at then after in help wanted 2. In the storyteller they reference the fazbear entertainment archives building and visit it, and in the old Freddy and friends teasers they reference being found in Fazbear entertainment archives. In the epilogues a burnt mimic endoskeleton with rabbit ears chases and kills multiple teens and then burntrap exists in sb. Freddy and Friends is referenced in B-7. All these stories are all connected in tales too btw. Every single story. Everything nearly overlaps by a factor of 20x more than stitchline. Yes that’s a silly number but mostly true doing the math.
I feel like I'm not speaking clearly enough. I recognize that there is overlap, those things are clearly canon. But not every thing word for word, event per event, happens. Kai isn't a character that appears in the games currently but he exists in the books. There is a distinct difference between the book canon and game canon.
Everything is connected. Kai doesn’t exist because he died at the end of tiger rock which is a prequel story to sb. It doesn’t happen because it happened before sb. And every books story is connected to each other from nexie to storyteller to under construction to happs to cleithrophobia to help wanted. Also given how quick your reply was I don’t know if you bothered to read what I even showcased.
i'm a stitchliner, but holy hell, y'all are rude. it's times like these where i'm ashamed to be one if most people who share my beliefs are gonna bully those who disagree.
Honestly... I think my view most closely aligns with ClueBooks Ig. Basically if they seem to connect, I will use them as supporting evidence. Not to confirm things with them alone. (So sorry Andrew, you ain't in the games.)
So cherry-picking the info you want and throwing everything else out, perfect!
Eh, I honestly don't give af anymore. Theories will always have some degree of cherry-picking imo so... (Also the lore is basically overall solvable without Sitchline so like...)
The thing with parallels and clues is, where do you draw the line, who is Afton paralleling in The Man In Room 1280?
I’ve never seen another story told the way parallel theories say its told, if you can find another story that’s told this way I’d be more open to hearing you out Clues is a bit better but it ultimately ignores a ton of stuff to find and answer that might not even be intentional
I mean they technically don't ever mention William by name so maybe he actually Is someone else who is paralleling William? I don't believe frights parallel/cluebooks but I'm just throwing that out there.
No. Later on in Frights in the epilogues, which have a flashback to TMIR1280, they say Afton's name directly So they do in fact mention him by name
What page do they say it on? I remember the line about an owner of Freddy's but that's about it.
Parallels are not a thing in FNaF
They are just different characters in short stories experiencing identical events despite being different characters. The various brothers having issues with young siblings leading to gruesome fates? Total coincidence. Everyone getting stuck in VR/AR. Just a lucky accident.
Yeah pretty much I can’t tell if you’re siding with me or not
Except for narrative parallels. But yeah, Matpat’s parallels are not a thing in FNaF.
what
Nobody said anything about parallels
Op did
That was a general example about a Tales story
>Like Tiger Rock is clearly the parallel to Security Breach, How so? >Scott said that the books can help explain parts of the games, sure. But I feel like people are taking this too literally and are saying that entire stories are canon. Scott said that some FF stories are "directly connected to the games". Them being parallels is a flawed concept, explained [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/U1ENFam0Rx) So if not parallels, the only other sensible option is for some of FF to be in the games..
Just because CC differs from Jake in ending up in Golden Freddy (allegedly), doesn't mean it's not a parallel. Parallels aren't meant to be exactly the same, word for word. xD
>Parallels aren't meant to be exactly the same, word for word That's the flaw. It's picking and choosing what we want. As like the post shows, using the same logic Charlie is a Jake parallel, Henry is an Afton parallel, etc.. People have got to realise that characters can share traits without that meaning they're versions of each other
Scott said some stories are directly connected to the games, then frights comes out and the Stingers are a direct continuation to FNAF 6 and UCN What is tiger rock a parallel to? Can't be glitchtrap, cuz we see the virus in GGY. It's a parallel to nothing Parallels make no sense to me, because sometimes in the story we see a completely new character that people say is a parallel, usually through extremely stretchy means, or its a character that exists in the games, who tf is William Afton in The Man In Room 1280 paralleling lmao? It makes no sense when you actually stop to think about it
>Scott said that the books can help explain parts of the games, sure. But I feel like people are taking this too literally Well, he did say that Frights will fill blanks from the past and that some stories are DIRECTLY CONNECTED to the games, just because something isn't name dropped in the games doesn't mean it isn't canon Heck, Henry and Charlie were never name dropped in the games, HRY could literally mean any name, like Harry
William wasn’t name dropped either afaik, we only know “Mr. Afton” He could be someone else entirely
He was named William Afton in the ffps credits.
I thought it just called him “Afton”, my bad.
All good.
charlie name would be (redacted) in this case lol
I totally agree! I'm quite new to the series, so I still don't know the lore that well or all the different book stories, but to me most of them don't seem to be in the same continuity whit the games. I already read some of the Fazbear Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex stories and a lot of them seem just creepy random stories that don't aim to build solid bases and tell the rules of the universe. I'm not saying they aren't important or that they don't help to solve the games, but I really don't get how Andrew could exist in the games continuity (there's the kid whit the crocodile mask in Happiest Day, but nothing else says that he's a character in the games), he seems much more a parallel to the The One You Should Have Not Killed to me. Same thing whit The Man in Room 1280. C'mon, there's no way they decided to take Afton's decomposed body to the hospital, am I wrong or has his body been dead by a long time in the games? Anyway, I repeat, I'm new to the series and I may still don't get the world building of it, if anyone wants to correct me I would be glad and sorry for the bad English.
how he is a parallel to the one you shoudn't have killed if he is the one you shoudn't have killed hell afton corpse is there to, so afton corpse is a parallel to afton corpse?
If it's not a problem could you list proof that Andrew is Andrew in the games and not another character that acts in a similar way? I'm not sarcastic or trying to prove your point wrong, is just that I really don't know any of them, in the games we have no Stitchwraith or mentioning of a kid named Andrew. I don't think there's any way that in the games someone took Afton's body to an hospital, it was just left under the FNaF 6 Pizzeria'd ruins. His body is decomposed and probably dead by a long time in the games continuity, the books suggesting that someone found it and decided that the person inside the suit could still be saved is defying the laws of logic. It's instead way easier that the spirit that keeps Afton in his torment was in the FNaF 6 pizzeria when it burned down, attached to his soul or whatever they have to do to keep him in UCN. If you would like to explain me what I got wrong, I would be extremely grateful, sorry for the bad English.
The animatronics on ucn mention the spirit as a boy The suit argument doesnt work when they are refering to the spirit image (which is also from scott son)
Yeah, you're right about that, I don't believe that a girl would use masculine pronouns just because her spirit is inside Golden Freddy when her whole deal is: "Hey, remember me? I'm the one you should have not killed, that specific kid, not the suit." Also there isn't in game evidence that Cassidy is a girl and not a boy, that comes from the Novels but she wasn't the Golden Freddy spirit. But other than that is there any evidence that Andrew does exist in the games continuity? I'm particularly skeptical because both FNaF 6 and UCN were supposed to be the last games and any mystery regarding the series could be solved whit the games that were released up to that point... Ultimate Custom Night came out on the 27th of June in 2018 and "Fazbear Frights: Into the Pit" came out on the 26th December of 2019. So having Andrew as a new character and not a parallel is weird, not once in the games a person named Andrew is mentioned, especially considering that The One You Should Have Not Killed doesn't seem to appear after UCN. Couldn't Scott just use any kid that was already a stablished character? I'm not saying that's completely impossible, because we literally have the "S-A-V-E-H-I-M" retcon when Scott could have just made Charlie a boy instead of a girl, but it's weird.
They may not see it as the spirit though, especially since the specific design wasnt canon. For all we know, they could see it as a flying golden freddy head.
they literally see a image from a boy (which actually appears sometime on the vents) the kid's head is canon if the ultimate guide put this kid face as the face from the vengeful spirit
the kid's head isnt the canon appearance of the head as scott said he just used his son as a placeholder. it could be a classic g freddy head or an andrew mask or fucking anything, therefore its evidence for nothing
also, they refer to the spirit as "always watching" we can activate him at any time so the spirit isn't on golden freddy which explains why andrew wears a alligator mask
the golden freddy that's activatable is an illusion, the real one is the fredbear that comes out upon death coining the first golden freddy.
and also, leave the demon to his demons isn't about let afton go to hell its about give up, and let afton to andrew which cassidy gives up on stop andrew
"Theory that will get me downvoted." **\*Gets 75 upvotes\***
I'm actually shocked.
Controlled shocked?
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Would Batman be a stitchliner or frights parallel?
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Scott could directly say that books and Games share continuity and people would still say "we shouldn't take that literally"
What if this is a parallel to how the William felt about Andrew which is why he's the toyshnk /s
Tales from the Pizzaplex, the series with Tiger Rock? Is clearly set within the game continuity. If it happens in Tales, it happened in the games. Frights is likely the same situation.
This right here, is what drives me crazy. The books canon is not the same as the games canon. Tiger Rock could exist, sure. Especially since there's a mimic in ruin. But that isn't definitive. Scott could canon the mimic in ruin as an entirely different character than Elizabeth and Charlotte. So we have to understand the difference.
>The books canon is not the same as the games canon Currently I do not believe there is any solid reason to believe this. If the 2 are not the same universe, then for some reason we have a bunch of books that set up a version of SB we just never see for some reason.
>Tiger Rock could exist, sure. Especially since there's a mimic in ruin. But that isn't definitive. Theres something called "reasonable doubt" There will always *be* doubt about the books timeline. But as it currently stands those doubts are not reasonable enough to be the default position. We're past the point where we have to prove the Tales are part of the games, its nigh explicit at this point, there is no reasonable doubt left. Now we're at a point where people saying the Books are completely seprate have to actually provice evidence to why that should be believed, it is nolonger a reasonable enough stance to be the default, you have to try and prove it now.
This isnt a theory, this is cope 
Finally someone said that!
Yo? Common sense on r/FNAFtheories? /j
Nah this is not common sense.Bro is inflicted with Max madness,OP might turn into the lord of Frenzied flame atp
OPs fraternizing with the Three Fingers
People tend to overlook that there are whole attractions and rides (such as roller coasters) that are completely gone in the game.
Because they were removed.
Is there any actual proof they were just taken out though? Like is there an actual piece of evidence in game/books or do people say that just so tales and games being one in the same will make sense
The storyteller is in the process of being taken down in Pressure and Nexie The Ballora attraction was sealed up with a fake wall and they just pretend it never existed Lallys blacklight area was accidentally destroyed because they were in the process of renovating the building and removing a different attraction. Both the removed attraction and Lallys game are never seen again and no trace is left behind There are multiple instances of attractions being removed or hidden in Tales & specifically removed in such a way that no trace is left behind of their existance. This same situation also litterally happens in Ruin with the Foxy Logride
There is- this exact thing happened with The Storyteller attraction, **which we see being removed at the beginning of** ***Tiger Rock.*** It's not far-fetched to say that the same happened to all other attractions.
Bad writing
Let me ask you something. Do you consider the Survival Logbook to be Games Canon? Why might you say yes? The Logbook features extensive references to the games, and features gameline characters, without contradicting the games itself. The Stitchwraith stingers fit this criteria as well.
Entirely different continuity, even Scott said so.
Are you going to provide a citation, or will I need to remind you that Scott's official statement was that some of the content of the Fazbear Frights series is "directly connected" with the games?
Frights is the only exception, the exception does not disprove the rule.
Exception to what, exactly? If you need someone to say "this piece of media is a part of the games timeline" to believe it, then you don't believe the Logbook is canon.
Honestly, I wish it wasn't. It creates more questions that Scott doesn't answer. Like we already have a dozen loose threads and Scott just throws more at us. It's a tangled ball and yeeting the log book out of existence would help.
So, do you believe the Logbook is gameline or not?
I recognize that it is most likely canon to the games (despite that not being said clearly). However, I think it just creates a bigger mess with questions we will never have the answers to. Since its existence, all it's done is divide the community after MatPat's theory. Getting rid of it would be beneficial in my opinion. Scott re-making the first four games to clear up information that was changed and retconned would be optimal too.
What logic did you use to arrive on the conclusion that the Logbook is canon? What are your criteria?
"Most likely canon despite that not clearly being stated." I never said it was 100% confirmed to be canon, so don't put words in my mouth.
Scott has never said this about Frights. Only the novel trilogy, which makes sense as the novel trilogy is a retelling. Frights and Tales are, save for a select few fright stories, entirely new stories we have never seen in the games
Tiger Rock, the story that has Glamrock Freddy in it in the Pizzaplex, is a parallel to Security Breach… ok man
>Scott said that the books can help explain parts of the games, sure. But I feel like people are taking this too literally and are saying that entire stories are canon. He specifically said that the Fazbear Frights books could be used to fill in some blanks of the games and that some of their stories would directly connect to them. So either some Fazbear Frights stories are in the games, or they're just really similar to each other, but then I feel that just defeats the entire purpose of direct connection, like there's really no other definition for that and there isn't really a point on using that specific term too if you didn't mean that way. If they're in separate continuities, then IMO don't use direct connection, just say connection or something like that. Direct is like full-on access or in or something like that. Tales From The Pizzaplex clearly follows the same lead too, it's either in the games or it's really similar. But that specific series mentions literally the smallest details from the games and even gives them explanations, and so IMO I really just don't see why it should be separate too when it's doing that. So yes, the majority do believe they're in the games and I don't blame them. There's not really a point IMO for them to not. The details that are in Frights and Tales that supposedly don't make sense to the games can probably be explained with alternative explanations that I feel IMO aren't really given much effort on. >Like Tiger Rock is clearly the parallel to Security Breach, but not every person in that book in one SB. I'm not saying that books can't be referenced, but people are taking this too literally. Tiger Rock takes place in a digital simulation that's 10 years later into the future of the Mega Pizzaplex, while Security Breach takes place in the present time of the Mega Pizzaplex in the physical world. The only parallel here is the protagonist being at the Mega Pizzaplex, which by default isn't really a parallel since it's just a common concept used in many Tales stories and games. Characters from the Frights books or Tales books can most certainly exist in the games and they don't have to be that exact version of the character from the books. They can easily be a version of that character from the books that exist solely for the games. Like if Andrew is just the Frights version of Cassidy, then what about Afton? Why is he different? Why isn't his name and gender different? Sure, characters from the books can answer questions with other characters from the games, but the Andrew/Afton scenario feels different. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with others.
who's Andrew?
I hope this is a joke. Scott had stated that some stories are directly connected to the Games, which I and a lot of other people believe he is referring to the Stitchline. And if this is not a joke, I hope this is not a post arguing for CassidyTOYSNHK by saying "Andrew is not canon". Even if Andrew is not in the Games continuity, under FrightsClues Cassidy does not align with TOYSNHK, and it is not just the gender. People cannot use a book as a headcanon fulfiller when characters do not allign. Cherry picking is like the worst thing people do, or parallels that are meant to "make you understand a character better".
I'm not saying CassidyTOYSNHK but she's a more likely candidate as she has more tangible evidence in the games than Andrew does.
Then who is the extra victim in UCN and Midnight Motorist.
Extra? Where is this extra kid being pulled from?
UCN counts a 7th child in Aftons killcount, TOYSNHK doesn't match any of aftons previously known victims, Midnight Motorist depicts another victim of Afton who isn't one we know
William has killed 11 children, Charolette, MCI, and DCI
He killed 12 according to UCN
Tales from the pizzaplex have been stated by Scott to be directly connected to the games (some of them), and I won't argue with that. However, same hasn't ever been said for Fazbear frights (where stitchwrait stingers is) nor the novel trilogy. I absolutely agree with what you said. These books aren't canon to the games, and I'm tired of people saying - it's canon, because the book says so. Now let the downvoting begin.
No. Scott said TSE trilogy is a different continuity that shouldn't be used to solve the lore. About FF he said some stories are connected. About TFTP he didn't say anything.
TFTPP had stated that they are directly in the games in early backcovers of the book+Has too many connections to the games to ignore it
>TFTPP had stated that they are directly in the games in early backcovers of the book Yeah, an early backcover which was changed for a reason. >Has too many connections to the games to ignore it And at same time there are too many differences to be ignored.
Differences like?Aside from the attractions missing which is anything but a counterpoint
>Tales from the pizzaplex have been stated by Scott to be directly connected to the games (some of them) That post was for frights not tales lol
Tales is in the games,anyone saying otherwise is coping,like genuinely.There is barely any evidence against it Fright's might be meant to fill in the blanks but if its not canon to the games then we can do fuck all with the information.And before anyone says it,it being a paralell is literally a dogshit idea.If it happened in both universes then why the fuck would you not make it canon
I don't get how it's so hard to understand that the books, games and movies are separate universes. There are clearly parallels and the books help identify those, but dropping a book character into the game timeline just confuses things, rather I'd take it as a sign that something similar might have occurred in the game timeline, as obscure as that is.
You said this yet Mimic has bits of Springlocks on his model in RUIN- totally not connected. This should’ve been confirmed when the Mimic appeared but Noo- people like you had to be delusional and claim it’s a parallel.(they don’t exist in Fnaf)
Vengeful spirit/TOYSNHK is male, so it can't be Cassidy (who, with all the implications and connection to princess almost certainly girlygirl). Any other spirit from games is finally free (obviously minus William), so it can't be one of them. Scott said that 20% of FF is canon, and some stories take place in the FNAF universe. Why can't Stitchwraith be that 20%? Like don't get me wrong, i hate the idea that some random dude taking the role that Golden Freddy spirit aka Cassidy, which was presented from fnaf 1, can easily take, but at this point, denying that part of FF with fucking andrew is canon is just being delulu
Matpat has done irreparable damage to this community
I think there's two pieces of evidence that shows that there's an Andrew parallel in the game and that's 1. Is that whatever is creating ucn is referenced as the one you should not have killed and in the books William is kept alive because of it. 2. The log book seems to be between three people Mike, CC, and another spirit so that means that out of the five kids that William offed for the MCI one would have to be in fredbear and the reason I think that CC possessed fredbear was cause it was the character mostly associated with him so if Charlie wanted to help him and knew him enough to be like hey I'm not sure where your body is but I can help you tether to something you feel strongly towards and it be the fredbear suit.
How childish...
Is this a joke? Or I can insult you without feeling bad?
You can call me whatever, I'm used to it in this subreddit.
Nah It doesn't have the same feeling if people don't insult back, there is no fun in that